The various "disinterestd parties" would have to colaborate on thier tallies.
The stub itself need not be human readable. but it shoudl be machine readable. And then it only releases the info to the voter himself (password...) or the disinterestd party.
You know things have devolved too much when someone who has a valid point sounds like a crazy tinfoilhat wearing alarmist. [parent] is correct. If the router at the ISP won't accept packets from the non-drm system then we will not only have to have our own bios but our own network,
Is it time to re-consider UUCP? or build a fidonet peer to peer network based on phonlines and modems?
We really can't change the market with boycots, there just arent enough of us, not compared to the main population of people who use windows "becuase everyone usese windows" Nobody cares if you can't write programs under paldeium, becuase nobody (but our own few numbers) ever writes programs.
In one of the places I worked long ago, one of the workers would always be saying "walka walka walka" as they walked around the cube farm. I asked them later what was that about and they said "Packman":^)
Sure, none of us should buy these types of BIOS, but even if none of us do, we are the minority the great unwashed windows running masses are still out there.
Repeat after me It's not the voters, It's the Vote counters who decide.
Unless you follow the whole chain of custody yourself how do you know your vote is properly counted anyway.
I still say that the voter should have several human readable stubs to send to various vote counting groups. Sure some of the stubs will be used to get paid for the voters vote, some of them. I would rather have that and a fully verified vote.
A local talk radio show had a guest on who had seen a voting machine. The machine had gotten stuck somehow and when the workers at the poll opened it it was full of already cast votes. This was in the morning, just after the polls opened.
If I had a stub that was proof of how I voted, and I sent my stub to a group that I trusted for a paralel count that would go al long way for trust.
There is ofcourse the non electronic way. The polling place is divided into two rooms. You identify yourself and fill out the ballot in the first room. then you go through the door into the second room where your ballot is immidiately counted. Judges from all the partys and other interested groups monitor the process at each polling place. The polls are combined under the same supervision when polls close.
Becuase it will be designed not to blink when (dum dum duummm) THEY don't want it to. It wont blink for spying but it will blink for normal conversations with MON-star headquarters about the nearest taco bell.
And this could be done entirely in the email client.
To send an email I have to have money in my stamp box. I get that money by paying the post office for e-postage. They give me a code which I enter into my email program.
When I send email each item takes a few cents from the stamp box, calls the post office computer to get a "stamp", they agree on the ammount and the stamp is put in the header of my mail.
I fire up my email client, it gets my mail, extracts the "stamps" verifies them with the computer at the post office which "cancels" them. Any mail with no stamp goes in a bucket for a few days (User preference) and is then either trashed or sent back to the sender with "NO STAMP -Not Read by recipient", The email would explain how to get a client for the new system. If the email is sent back it may be reflected by the recieving system- this is detected and the returned email is just trashed to avoid loops
Mail sent with a fake stamp would be fraud, counterfieting but would be treated as mail with no stamp by the mail client
If an email does have a stamp - half the value goes into my stamp box, the other half goes to the post office for the use of their computer. (yes the post office makes a bit to sell the stamp and makes a bit when I read the mail)
I could also have a whitelist - when email is recieved from someone on my whitelist it is placed in my inbox and the post office is not bothered. The whole value of the stamp is (A- returned to sender or B- retained in my stamp box which do you think would be safer for fraud?)
For the tinfoil chapeu crowd - if the sender is on my white list the Post office is not notified at all and the email is as secure as email is today. If not well I suppose the post office could figgure out from canceled stamps who is sending email to whom.
Is'nt the difference that when you go to pricewatch or you just go t a store and look, or you get price quotes over the phone or internet, you are looking at a price as PUBLISHED by the store Vs. FatWallet who gets the **UNPUBLISHED** price for you from employees who leaked the price BEFORE it was public.
Obdisclaimer - This is a wrong use of DCMA.. but the stores do have a right to keep the prices they have not published yet secret.
I work in retail (yachk!) and I have had to sign papers about blabing pre-published prices, I could be fired.
Yeah, Open Source so we can compile and install it ourselves.
Otherwise how do we know that *they* did not ship a clean unit to the inspector, and sell units that still have strange features?
I don't want to target just Belkin, like the comercial used to say " if it don't say sunkist on the outside, you don't know what's on the inside" - Well if it isn't open source on the outside, you can't be sure of what's on the inside.
The manual recount is only of any use if the.5% of districts are chosen randomly after polls close.
Otherwise the vote-changers will leave the known test districts alone and only change votes in those districts not being re-counted.
When I was in California, the voter's pamphlet had a grid on the first page with all the punch locations (a grid of numbers) I marked that while examining the issues and voted acording to that in the booth. There is a take home record for anyone who wants it.
two or three are printed on the outside, which you could send to the public vote counting group of your choice.
This would provide a "check" agains the state reading your "NO" vote and saying you voted "Yes"
Also you can get your copy decrypted at home with a program downloaded from the mfg of the voteing machine or at any local library, or perhaps even at the local office of your party.
There was a guy on CNET radio named Desmod Crisis who setup his own email with a whitelist, if you sent him an email and you weren't on the whitelist, the program would automatically send a reply back explianing you weren't on his white list and what to do to get on his white list if you wanted to.
If we all as recievers sign up only for pay mail, then the spammers will have to sign up too if they want to send mail to us.
What if it was say 10 cents to send a mail, but when the reciever got it they could "do somthing" to indicate that they "accepted" the mail and the 10 cent charge would be dropped. Your friend sends you email, you read it and accept it. Jim the realator down the street sends you email, but because you are thinking of buying a house you accept that email too - jim sends for free. Mike in the big city spammer send out mail, at 10 cents a whack that no one is interested in (get rich quick) and mostly pays for it because no one accepts it.
Yes AND have the printer print out 4+ copies of the voter's vote, only one of which gets stuffed in the ballot box. Two others can go to "disinterested" parties for an "un biased" paralell count. the final can be retained by the voter.
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My last saturn had this sort of a feature, a cable was coiled under the dash with a stereo headphone plug on the end.
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I stopped in at the local gateway barn, and asked about their machines. If you install Linux on your gateway - you void the warrenty.
Hmm, I was looking at the site for North Korea and the symbol near the email button is a meat cleaver
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The various "disinterestd parties" would have to colaborate on thier tallies.
The stub itself need not be human readable. but it shoudl be machine readable. And then it only releases the info to
the voter himself (password...) or the disinterestd party.
You know things have devolved too much when someone who has a valid point sounds like a crazy tinfoilhat wearing alarmist. [parent] is correct. If the router at the ISP won't accept packets from the non-drm system then we will not only have to have our own bios but our own network,
Is it time to re-consider UUCP? or build a fidonet peer to peer network based on phonlines and modems?
We really can't change the market with boycots, there just arent enough of us, not compared to the main population of people who use windows "becuase everyone usese windows" Nobody cares if you can't write programs under
paldeium, becuase nobody (but our own few numbers) ever writes programs.
In one of the places I worked long ago, one of the workers would always be saying "walka walka walka" as they walked :^)
around the cube farm. I asked them later what was that about and they said "Packman"
Is it a DMCA violation if I build a BIOS from scratch so I can run the software of my choice?
Sure, none of us should buy these types of BIOS, but even if none of us do, we are the minority the great unwashed windows running masses are still out there.
Repeat after me
It's not the voters, It's the Vote counters who decide.
Unless you follow the whole chain of custody yourself how do you know your vote is properly counted anyway.
I still say that the voter should have several human readable stubs to send to various vote counting groups. Sure some of the stubs will be used to get paid for the voters vote, some of them. I would rather have that and a fully verified vote.
A local talk radio show had a guest on who had seen a voting machine. The machine had gotten stuck somehow
and when the workers at the poll opened it it was full of already cast votes. This was in the morning, just after the polls opened.
If I had a stub that was proof of how I voted, and I sent my stub to a group that I trusted for a paralel count that would go al long way for trust.
There is ofcourse the non electronic way. The polling place is divided into two rooms. You identify yourself and fill out the ballot in the first room. then you go through the door into the second room where your ballot is immidiately counted. Judges from all the partys and other interested groups monitor the process at each polling place. The polls are combined under the same supervision when polls close.
Becuase it will be designed not to blink when (dum dum duummm) THEY don't want it to. It wont blink for spying but it will blink for normal conversations with MON-star headquarters about the nearest taco bell.
And this could be done entirely in the email client.
To send an email I have to have money in my stamp box. I get that money by paying the post office for e-postage. They give me a code which I enter into my email program.
When I send email each item takes a few cents from the stamp box, calls the post office computer to get a "stamp", they agree on the ammount and the stamp is put in the header of my mail.
I fire up my email client, it gets my mail, extracts the "stamps" verifies them with the computer at the post office which "cancels" them. Any mail with no stamp goes in a bucket for a few days (User preference) and is then either trashed or sent back to the sender with "NO STAMP -Not Read by recipient", The email would explain how to get a client for the new system. If the email is sent back it may be reflected by the recieving system- this is detected and the returned email is just trashed to avoid loops
Mail sent with a fake stamp would be fraud, counterfieting but would be treated as mail with no stamp by the mail client
If an email does have a stamp - half the value goes into my stamp box, the other half goes to the post office for the use of their computer. (yes the post office makes a bit to sell the stamp and makes a bit when I read the mail)
I could also have a whitelist - when email is recieved from someone on my whitelist it is placed in my inbox and the post office is not bothered. The whole value of the stamp is (A- returned to sender or B- retained in my stamp box which do you think would be safer for fraud?)
For the tinfoil chapeu crowd - if the sender is on my white list the Post office is not notified at all and the email is as
secure as email is today. If not well I suppose the post office could figgure out from canceled stamps who is sending email to whom.
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Is'nt the difference that when you go to pricewatch or you just go t a store and look, or you get price quotes over the phone or internet, you are looking at a price as PUBLISHED by the store Vs. FatWallet who gets the **UNPUBLISHED** price for you from employees who leaked the price BEFORE it was public.
Obdisclaimer - This is a wrong use of DCMA.. but the stores do have a right to keep the prices they have not published yet secret.
I work in retail (yachk!) and I have had to sign papers about blabing pre-published prices, I could be fired.
Yeah, Open Source so we can compile and install it ourselves.
Otherwise how do we know that *they* did not ship a clean unit to the inspector, and sell units that still have strange features?
I don't want to target just Belkin, like the comercial used to say " if it don't say sunkist on the outside, you don't know what's on the inside" - Well if it isn't open source on the outside, you can't be sure of what's on the inside.
The manual recount is only of any use if the .5% of districts are chosen randomly after polls close.
Otherwise the vote-changers will leave the known test districts alone and only change votes in those districts not
being re-counted.
When I was in California, the voter's pamphlet had a grid on the first page with all the punch locations (a grid of numbers) I marked that while examining the issues and voted acording to that in the booth. There is a take home record for anyone who wants it.
I really like the idea,
would there be an upper limit to your per mail setting? could I set $100.00 per mail? (provided I have no friends, no family...)
Could people I send email to be added to the white list for a one time reply?
but we still need the gov. otherwise some will create an micropayment email client that generates fake micropayments just to get email in your box.
(I suppose that would be actionable under some fraud or counterfiting law...)
You just put your favorite mailing groups on your whitelist.
1 - set email fee = $0.50 ....
2 - Put email address everywhere
3 -
4 - Profit
Someone Mod the parent up, I already commented above.
Uh, lemme se if I got that right...
Cars are machines that are designed to propel people at lethal speeds??
yeah dat's it...
two or three are printed on the outside, which you could send to the public vote counting group of your choice.
This would provide a "check" agains the state reading your "NO" vote and saying you voted "Yes"
Also you can get your copy decrypted at home with a program downloaded from the mfg of the voteing machine or at any local library, or perhaps even at the local office of your party.
There was a guy on CNET radio named Desmod Crisis who setup his own email with a whitelist, if you sent him an email and you weren't on the whitelist, the program would automatically send a reply back explianing you weren't on his white list and what to do to get on his white list if you wanted to.
If we all as recievers sign up only for pay mail, then the spammers will have to sign up too if they want to send mail to us.
What if it was say 10 cents to send a mail, but when the reciever got it they could "do somthing" to indicate that they "accepted" the mail and the 10 cent charge would be
dropped. Your friend sends you email, you read it and accept it. Jim the realator down the street sends you email, but because you are thinking of buying a house you accept that email too - jim sends for free. Mike in the big city spammer send out mail, at 10 cents a whack that no one is interested in (get rich quick) and mostly pays for it because no one accepts it.
Yes AND have the printer print out 4+ copies of the voter's vote, only one of which gets stuffed in the ballot box. Two others can go to "disinterested" parties for an "un biased" paralell count. the final can be retained by the voter.
My last saturn had this sort of a feature, a cable was coiled under the dash with a stereo headphone plug on the end.
The built in stereo was made by
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