And now the value of your car and computer is diminished to nothing when it is freely traded with people
No value at all? Really?
So, if you spend $40k on a new Lexus, and your neighbor uses a Star Trek replicator to make an exact copy when nobody is looking, the value of your Lexus is now zero?
You are an asshole. Material stuff can never be worth more than a person's life!
I see. You're one of those left wing bedwetting liberals who believes a person's life is worth more than anything. You're probably against the death penalty, too.
What about some sick fuck rapist who does little children? Is his life worth more than a material item? How about a murderer? Was Ted Bundy's life worth more than a material item?
Here's the truth: A pile of shit is worth more than the life of a hard criminal. You're a fucking idiot if you think that someone who would rob, rape, or murder is worth anything. Period.
But do you really think it's ok to shoot someone just because he steals your new 50" TV set?
Yes, if I find him in my home in the process of stealing my TV, I do think it's ok to shoot him. What would you do? Ask him to "please leave"?
The criminals over here aren't so nice. If you catch them in the act of stealing your TV, it's highly likely that you'll be shot or stabbed because they don't want you calling the cops. Who knows how a criminal is going to act in a sitation such as this?
It's nice that your criminals would drop the TV and run without harming you or your family. I'm still not taking any chances. If I catch someone who has broken into my home, they'd better run like hell, because if they don't turn and run they're going to be shot.
Oh, and as an aside: My property is worth more than the life of a person who would break into my home and steal it.
I can't wait to head down to Disneyland and check it out.
Oh, wait a minute. We're supposed to be boycotting these evil, copyright abusing bastards... and I already compromised on Finding Nemo, so I can't do it again.
How about if I sneak into the park and promise not to have fun while I'm there?
I know no one who has an alarm system in the private appartment ot house, only in business.
Perhaps you are not from the US... Millions upon millions of homeowners have private, monitored alarm systems.
The usual burglar does not come for murder, you know?
No, but that's what it often boils down to. Burglars come in with a weapon looking to steal your stuff, and when confronted, are likely to attack you.
Furthermore, I should be able to shoot his ass just for stealing my property. (Actually, I can, in my state) That property represents a portion of my life in which I worked hard to save the money to obtain it. When someone steals that property, they are effectively stealing that portion of my life from me. Well, I'm not letting it happen.
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Every one of us, if given a choice between two identical mates, one rich, the other poor, will take the rich one.
Do you honestly believe people are that shallow? It's going to come down to personality, brains and values.
I dated a rich girl in college. She was a cheating bitch. A hot cheating bitch with a nice ass and a lot of money, to be sure, but a cheating bitch nonetheless.
The girl I married came from a family of little means. She's sweet and beautiful and appreciates the nice things I can buy for her because they're more than she's ever had. She doesn't need a Ferrari to be happy. And if I ever bought her a diamond, she'd kick my ass for wasting the money.
Their heavy initial draw means they don't work with X-10 style remote controls
Wrong, they don't work well with X-10 because (1) Most X-10 lighting switches use triacs and depend on being able to dim the load, which you can't do with a CF without screwing things up, and (2) CF's are NOISY and tend to block the X-10 signal.
Give me a clean, quiet, low heat LED bulb and I'll buy it even if it is $25-$40 a bulb..
Add that to the price you're paying for your X-10 gear and you can almost afford real home automation equipment.
-Ryan, who is currently phasing X-10 out in favor of AMX and RadioRA due precisely to my CF bulbs not cooperating and my unwillingless to go back to incandescents, not to mention X-10's stupid reliability issues, even with a $200 signal amplifier/coupler on dedicated circuit breakers and filters plugged in on all sorts of noisy equipment... and, by the way, do you want to buy some nice JDS X-10 automation equipment cheap?
An isolated incident, with a small team of people trying to apprehend a single individual.
That's nothing like what the parent was talking about - our entire military being called up to take on millions of gun owning citizens. Pigs will fly before that happens.
So everyone that has an alarm system on their home is paranoid? Hmmm. That's a lot of paranoid people out there. The fact that mine is tied into a home automation system so I can manage it from any touchpanel in the house is a convenience. And yes, it adds some safety to the mix. But it took all of 5 minutes to integrate the two systems and I'll never wake up to find an intruder standing at the foot of my bed. Ever.
That's not paranoia. It's a wise decision.
That would be murder, as it is not in self defense if he does not threaten or attack you.
Bullshit. If he breaks into my home, I get to shoot him. I have a concealed weapons permit and I've researched the laws in my state, as everyone who owns weapons should do.
You just told, you'd shoot on first sight, not in self defense only, what's your real point now?
If he's in my house, I'll shoot on first sight. Damn straight. That doesn't mean I WANT to shoot him. I'd prefer that the second he breaks in, the alarm system goes off, he runs like hell, and I never see the guy. If I could choose how a break-in would happen, that would be my choice. Don't think I'm some sadistic asswipe who is itching to shoot somebody. I'd feel horrible if I did that. But at the same time, if someone breaks into my house in the middle of the night, he's up to no good. And I'm not taking any chances. The lives of my wife and children are a hell of a lot more valuable than the life of some scumbag who just broke into my home.
If the US government ever enacts sensible gun control legislation, they can send the fucking army to get your oh-so-scary 12 guage. Or, maybe, they'll shoot you.
You're an idiot if you think that could ever happen in the USA. Our military, attacking our citizens? HA! Our military is MADE UP OF our citizens! That's my brother in law, my cousin, and my nephew. That's my neighbor's sister, father, brother, uncle, and best friend.
Ask any active serviceman if he would forcibly attack the citizens of the United States for the purpose of disarming them, given the order to do so. The vast majority of the military would refuse and overthrow the corrupt government demanding such action.
Even if they didn't, our military isn't big enough to take us all out. Look at Iraq, for crying out loud. Small militias are moving with freedom throughout the cities, killing our troops. There are millions of gun owning citizens like myself who would setup camp and wipe out small military convoys one by one. And you think we can go to every city in the U.S. and get away with rounding the citizens up and taking their guns away? Nobody has that kind of firepower. Not even the U.S.. Not even close.
You're dreaming if you think something like this can happen here anytime within the next several decades.
I'd like a nice listing of all the things you've done with your 12 guage shotgun that a) have protected you or your family from harm and b) couldn't have been done with anything else.
I don't have any, thank God. Nobody has tried to break into my home and/or harm my family - yet. But I'll tell you something, I'm a 5'7", 135lb computer nerd. I'm not going to be able to do shit with a knife or other similar weapon against some burly criminal. He'd snap me like a twig. So I have guns to even up the odds.
I've taken a gun away from someone who wanted to hurt me with it. I'd say that gives me about 1000% times more right to be against them than almost anyone else on slashdot.
Look, I'm glad you took the gun away from the criminal who was going to shoot you. And I hope they locked his ass up for life, although they probably didn't. But that doesn't give you the right to take MY guns away.
Even if legislation was passed to make owning any gun illegal, do you think the guy who pulled one on you would have cared? Of course not! He's a criminal! If he's planning to kill you, a law against gun ownership isn't going to stand in his way. And don't tell me you believe for a second that you can actually get the guns off of the streets. We've been throwing people in jail over drugs for a long, long time, and I can still get pot or coke or LSD or heroin or anything else from damn near anywhere.
The higher the possibility that you as a victim own a gun, the higher the risk that the guy who breaks into your house shoots you at first sight.
Not possible. Why? I have electronic sensors on all doors and windows, and exterior motion detectors all tied into an AMX home automation controller & security system. I will know he's there before he can open the window or door far enough to get through. By the time he finishes stepping into my home, he'll be dead.
That's assuming every light in the house coming on immediately doesn't scare his ass away first. I'm hoping it does, because quite frankly, I don't want to shoot anybody. But I will if I have to.
suffice it to say that I feel that the self-defense argument is bogus.
Fine, the first time someone breaks into your home and proceeds to rape and/or murder your family at gunpoint, you just sit on your ass and watch, all the while being thankful you don't have a gun of your own because the "self-defense argument is bogus."
Me, I'll blow his fucking brains out with my 12 gauge before he gets through the window. And as has been said, "You can pry my guns from my cold, dead hands." You and the rest of your anti-gun cronies aren't getting them from me, period. And I dare you to try to take them by force.
Our enemy is cluelessness. If we could somehow impart the masses with an infantessimal fraction of our sense of the big picture most of our problems would disappear.
That's easy: Require a license to connect to the Internet. In order to obtain the license you have to pass a test. First thing you should be providing to any potential ISP is your license number.
I want the justification that I or any other person should pay for YOUR wheel chair, let alone one of these damn over expensive machines destined only to be viable businesswise at the expense of tax payers.
You're obviously a stupid jackass, so I don't know why I'm wasting my time in replying...
There is a difference between an able bodied person who is just a lazy ass looking for a handout, and someone who is disabled. Quite frankly I wish we'd take all of the money from the filth who can work but refuse to and give it to people who would LOVE a normal job/life, but can't have one due to their disability.
You could get hit by a bus tomorrow and find yourself stuck in a wheel chair for the rest of your life with little ability to earn a living. Wouldn't it be nice if you could have an iBot to get around in? Or would you just prefer to drag yourself around because you can't afford shit after the half-million dollar hospital bill bankrupts your ass?
Have some compassion, for crying out loud. I've got no trouble with my tax dollars being spent to help out people who actually need the help.
Conversely, Canadian citizens are not permitted to view those signals
No, that's bullshit. The fact that DTV isn't licensed to broadcast in Canada does not mean Canadian citizens aren't permitted to view the signals. In fact, it was wholly legal to hack DTV cards in Canada for quite some time, though I believe they've changed that.
I know I'll get flamed for this, but Sklyarov was in the US when he was arrested, so in that case they did have jurisdiction.
But they charged him with violating a law that he violated while in RUSSIA. Sure, they had jurisdiction to arrest him since he was on US soil, but they didn't have jurisdiction to charge him with a crime he didn't commit while on US soil.
Imagine going to some country where prostitution is legal. You pay for a little fun, come home, and you're arrested for violating a US law while in some other country. That's exactly what happened to Sklyarov.
involves rigging your box to pass false information onto their servers
I chose to respond rather than mod you down, because there isn't a "clueless" mod option.
Of course, you're dead wrong. Nobody is hacking anybody's servers. Do you have any idea how DTV works? Here's a lesson: The signal is broadcast to the entire country. You receive it via your dish.
Now, in order to watch it, you have to decrypt the signal. This is where your smart card comes in: All of the decryption algorithms are stored here, as are your service levels. For instance, when you call DTV and say, "Hey, I want to upgrade to package x", a signal is sent down the satellite network that tells your card to unlock package x.
All of this is done WITHOUT the receiver sending any information whatsoever to DTV! In order words, nobody is passing false anything to anybody's servers. There aren't even servers involved, for crying out loud. It's no different from picking up a scrambled radio signal and unscrambling it on your end.
If it were easy/possible to decrypt the DirecTV signal without using the phone jack on the box, this would be a non-issue.
Uh, that's exactly what is done. The phone jack is NEVER used when you're "stealing" DTV.
The phone jack is used only for PPV purchases. When you buy a PPV movie, it's charged to your access card. Sometime in the middle of the night, the access card dials DTV, tells them which PPVs you bought, and erases them from it's memory. Then you get charged for them.
The phone connection has absolutely nothing to do with authenticating which channels you get to watch.
Folks who hack the access cards leave the phone line disconnected. When they fill up their PPV limit, they pop the card into a programmer and erase the stored purchases.
My original point was simply that I don't think the fact that a technology could possibly be used to make it harder for you to break the law is a very persuasive argument against that technology.
Ah, so we agree here.
Monitoring of citizens every move just in case they break the law is bad bad bad.
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A photo radar rig that was up all the time, and no big signs, would fix the selective enforcement immediately, and the too low limit next election day.
Also agreed. Thank you for the excellent discussion.:)
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And now the value of your car and computer is diminished to nothing when it is freely traded with people
No value at all? Really?
So, if you spend $40k on a new Lexus, and your neighbor uses a Star Trek replicator to make an exact copy when nobody is looking, the value of your Lexus is now zero?
So you can't drive it anymore, or what?
You are an asshole. Material stuff can never be worth more than a person's life!
I see. You're one of those left wing bedwetting liberals who believes a person's life is worth more than anything. You're probably against the death penalty, too.
What about some sick fuck rapist who does little children? Is his life worth more than a material item? How about a murderer? Was Ted Bundy's life worth more than a material item?
Here's the truth: A pile of shit is worth more than the life of a hard criminal. You're a fucking idiot if you think that someone who would rob, rape, or murder is worth anything. Period.
But do you really think it's ok to shoot someone just because he steals your new 50" TV set?
Yes, if I find him in my home in the process of stealing my TV, I do think it's ok to shoot him. What would you do? Ask him to "please leave"?
The criminals over here aren't so nice. If you catch them in the act of stealing your TV, it's highly likely that you'll be shot or stabbed because they don't want you calling the cops. Who knows how a criminal is going to act in a sitation such as this?
It's nice that your criminals would drop the TV and run without harming you or your family. I'm still not taking any chances. If I catch someone who has broken into my home, they'd better run like hell, because if they don't turn and run they're going to be shot.
Oh, and as an aside: My property is worth more than the life of a person who would break into my home and steal it.
I can't wait to head down to Disneyland and check it out.
Oh, wait a minute. We're supposed to be boycotting these evil, copyright abusing bastards... and I already compromised on Finding Nemo, so I can't do it again.
How about if I sneak into the park and promise not to have fun while I'm there?
I know no one who has an alarm system in the private appartment ot house, only in business.
Perhaps you are not from the US... Millions upon millions of homeowners have private, monitored alarm systems.
The usual burglar does not come for murder, you know?
No, but that's what it often boils down to. Burglars come in with a weapon looking to steal your stuff, and when confronted, are likely to attack you.
Furthermore, I should be able to shoot his ass just for stealing my property. (Actually, I can, in my state) That property represents a portion of my life in which I worked hard to save the money to obtain it. When someone steals that property, they are effectively stealing that portion of my life from me. Well, I'm not letting it happen.
Every one of us, if given a choice between two identical mates, one rich, the other poor, will take the rich one.
Do you honestly believe people are that shallow? It's going to come down to personality, brains and values.
I dated a rich girl in college. She was a cheating bitch. A hot cheating bitch with a nice ass and a lot of money, to be sure, but a cheating bitch nonetheless.
The girl I married came from a family of little means. She's sweet and beautiful and appreciates the nice things I can buy for her because they're more than she's ever had. She doesn't need a Ferrari to be happy. And if I ever bought her a diamond, she'd kick my ass for wasting the money.
I had a point here, somewhere...
Their heavy initial draw means they don't work with X-10 style remote controls
Wrong, they don't work well with X-10 because (1) Most X-10 lighting switches use triacs and depend on being able to dim the load, which you can't do with a CF without screwing things up, and (2) CF's are NOISY and tend to block the X-10 signal.
Give me a clean, quiet, low heat LED bulb and I'll buy it even if it is $25-$40 a bulb..
Add that to the price you're paying for your X-10 gear and you can almost afford real home automation equipment.
-Ryan, who is currently phasing X-10 out in favor of AMX and RadioRA due precisely to my CF bulbs not cooperating and my unwillingless to go back to incandescents, not to mention X-10's stupid reliability issues, even with a $200 signal amplifier/coupler on dedicated circuit breakers and filters plugged in on all sorts of noisy equipment... and, by the way, do you want to buy some nice JDS X-10 automation equipment cheap?
You know, that is a little insensitive.
So ignore it.
Personally, I thought it was funny.
Waco.
An isolated incident, with a small team of people trying to apprehend a single individual.
That's nothing like what the parent was talking about - our entire military being called up to take on millions of gun owning citizens. Pigs will fly before that happens.
Man, are you paranoid!
So everyone that has an alarm system on their home is paranoid? Hmmm. That's a lot of paranoid people out there. The fact that mine is tied into a home automation system so I can manage it from any touchpanel in the house is a convenience. And yes, it adds some safety to the mix. But it took all of 5 minutes to integrate the two systems and I'll never wake up to find an intruder standing at the foot of my bed. Ever.
That's not paranoia. It's a wise decision.
That would be murder, as it is not in self defense if he does not threaten or attack you.
Bullshit. If he breaks into my home, I get to shoot him. I have a concealed weapons permit and I've researched the laws in my state, as everyone who owns weapons should do.
You just told, you'd shoot on first sight, not in self defense only, what's your real point now?
If he's in my house, I'll shoot on first sight. Damn straight. That doesn't mean I WANT to shoot him. I'd prefer that the second he breaks in, the alarm system goes off, he runs like hell, and I never see the guy. If I could choose how a break-in would happen, that would be my choice. Don't think I'm some sadistic asswipe who is itching to shoot somebody. I'd feel horrible if I did that. But at the same time, if someone breaks into my house in the middle of the night, he's up to no good. And I'm not taking any chances. The lives of my wife and children are a hell of a lot more valuable than the life of some scumbag who just broke into my home.
If the US government ever enacts sensible gun control legislation, they can send the fucking army to get your oh-so-scary 12 guage. Or, maybe, they'll shoot you.
You're an idiot if you think that could ever happen in the USA. Our military, attacking our citizens? HA! Our military is MADE UP OF our citizens! That's my brother in law, my cousin, and my nephew. That's my neighbor's sister, father, brother, uncle, and best friend.
Ask any active serviceman if he would forcibly attack the citizens of the United States for the purpose of disarming them, given the order to do so. The vast majority of the military would refuse and overthrow the corrupt government demanding such action.
Even if they didn't, our military isn't big enough to take us all out. Look at Iraq, for crying out loud. Small militias are moving with freedom throughout the cities, killing our troops. There are millions of gun owning citizens like myself who would setup camp and wipe out small military convoys one by one. And you think we can go to every city in the U.S. and get away with rounding the citizens up and taking their guns away? Nobody has that kind of firepower. Not even the U.S.. Not even close.
You're dreaming if you think something like this can happen here anytime within the next several decades.
I'd like a nice listing of all the things you've done with your 12 guage shotgun that a) have protected you or your family from harm and b) couldn't have been done with anything else.
I don't have any, thank God. Nobody has tried to break into my home and/or harm my family - yet. But I'll tell you something, I'm a 5'7", 135lb computer nerd. I'm not going to be able to do shit with a knife or other similar weapon against some burly criminal. He'd snap me like a twig. So I have guns to even up the odds.
I've taken a gun away from someone who wanted to hurt me with it. I'd say that gives me about 1000% times more right to be against them than almost anyone else on slashdot.
Look, I'm glad you took the gun away from the criminal who was going to shoot you. And I hope they locked his ass up for life, although they probably didn't. But that doesn't give you the right to take MY guns away.
Even if legislation was passed to make owning any gun illegal, do you think the guy who pulled one on you would have cared? Of course not! He's a criminal! If he's planning to kill you, a law against gun ownership isn't going to stand in his way. And don't tell me you believe for a second that you can actually get the guns off of the streets. We've been throwing people in jail over drugs for a long, long time, and I can still get pot or coke or LSD or heroin or anything else from damn near anywhere.
The higher the possibility that you as a victim own a gun, the higher the risk that the guy who breaks into your house shoots you at first sight.
Not possible. Why? I have electronic sensors on all doors and windows, and exterior motion detectors all tied into an AMX home automation controller & security system. I will know he's there before he can open the window or door far enough to get through. By the time he finishes stepping into my home, he'll be dead.
That's assuming every light in the house coming on immediately doesn't scare his ass away first. I'm hoping it does, because quite frankly, I don't want to shoot anybody. But I will if I have to.
suffice it to say that I feel that the self-defense argument is bogus.
Fine, the first time someone breaks into your home and proceeds to rape and/or murder your family at gunpoint, you just sit on your ass and watch, all the while being thankful you don't have a gun of your own because the "self-defense argument is bogus."
Me, I'll blow his fucking brains out with my 12 gauge before he gets through the window. And as has been said, "You can pry my guns from my cold, dead hands." You and the rest of your anti-gun cronies aren't getting them from me, period. And I dare you to try to take them by force.
Moderators, do your worst.
My power bill was FOUR HUNDRED DOLLARS last month.
Dude, you need to put some solar panels on your roof. At those prices, your payoff would only take a few short years.
Computers don't run without power. Who knew?!
Don't forget the exciting new vulnerabilities, too...
Our enemy is cluelessness. If we could somehow impart the masses with an infantessimal fraction of our sense of the big picture most of our problems would disappear.
That's easy: Require a license to connect to the Internet. In order to obtain the license you have to pass a test. First thing you should be providing to any potential ISP is your license number.
I want the justification that I or any other person should pay for YOUR wheel chair, let alone one of these damn over expensive machines destined only to be viable businesswise at the expense of tax payers.
You're obviously a stupid jackass, so I don't know why I'm wasting my time in replying...
There is a difference between an able bodied person who is just a lazy ass looking for a handout, and someone who is disabled. Quite frankly I wish we'd take all of the money from the filth who can work but refuse to and give it to people who would LOVE a normal job/life, but can't have one due to their disability.
You could get hit by a bus tomorrow and find yourself stuck in a wheel chair for the rest of your life with little ability to earn a living. Wouldn't it be nice if you could have an iBot to get around in? Or would you just prefer to drag yourself around because you can't afford shit after the half-million dollar hospital bill bankrupts your ass?
Have some compassion, for crying out loud. I've got no trouble with my tax dollars being spent to help out people who actually need the help.
Conversely, Canadian citizens are not permitted to view those signals
No, that's bullshit. The fact that DTV isn't licensed to broadcast in Canada does not mean Canadian citizens aren't permitted to view the signals. In fact, it was wholly legal to hack DTV cards in Canada for quite some time, though I believe they've changed that.
I know I'll get flamed for this, but Sklyarov was in the US when he was arrested, so in that case they did have jurisdiction.
But they charged him with violating a law that he violated while in RUSSIA. Sure, they had jurisdiction to arrest him since he was on US soil, but they didn't have jurisdiction to charge him with a crime he didn't commit while on US soil.
Imagine going to some country where prostitution is legal. You pay for a little fun, come home, and you're arrested for violating a US law while in some other country. That's exactly what happened to Sklyarov.
WTF? If a company I was doing business with sued me without cause, the first thing I'd do is terminate my relationship with them. I mean, duh!
involves rigging your box to pass false information onto their servers
I chose to respond rather than mod you down, because there isn't a "clueless" mod option.
Of course, you're dead wrong. Nobody is hacking anybody's servers. Do you have any idea how DTV works? Here's a lesson: The signal is broadcast to the entire country. You receive it via your dish.
Now, in order to watch it, you have to decrypt the signal. This is where your smart card comes in: All of the decryption algorithms are stored here, as are your service levels. For instance, when you call DTV and say, "Hey, I want to upgrade to package x", a signal is sent down the satellite network that tells your card to unlock package x.
All of this is done WITHOUT the receiver sending any information whatsoever to DTV! In order words, nobody is passing false anything to anybody's servers. There aren't even servers involved, for crying out loud. It's no different from picking up a scrambled radio signal and unscrambling it on your end.
If it were easy/possible to decrypt the DirecTV signal without using the phone jack on the box, this would be a non-issue.
Uh, that's exactly what is done. The phone jack is NEVER used when you're "stealing" DTV.
The phone jack is used only for PPV purchases. When you buy a PPV movie, it's charged to your access card. Sometime in the middle of the night, the access card dials DTV, tells them which PPVs you bought, and erases them from it's memory. Then you get charged for them.
The phone connection has absolutely nothing to do with authenticating which channels you get to watch.
Folks who hack the access cards leave the phone line disconnected. When they fill up their PPV limit, they pop the card into a programmer and erase the stored purchases.
My original point was simply that I don't think the fact that a technology could possibly be used to make it harder for you to break the law is a very persuasive argument against that technology.
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Ah, so we agree here.
Monitoring of citizens every move just in case they break the law is bad bad bad.
(snip)
A photo radar rig that was up all the time, and no big signs, would fix the selective enforcement immediately, and the too low limit next election day.
Also agreed. Thank you for the excellent discussion.