Uh, dude, we pay for the service -- typically close to 50.00/month. Furthermore, there is a monopoly in many areas (same as cell service).
And add to that comparison's with other industrialized nations and we are overcharged and under-served when it comes to internet access and often cell phone plans.
Certainly there's a limit... I do know since I've done things to saturate a pipe or two.
>...by using unsupported opensource isnt that big of a deal
Uh-oh the scary phrase "unsupported opensource" that all the FUD spreaders use when someone suggests using OSS on a project.
Guess what? Open source software is supported. It is supported by your engineers actually doing something with their knowledge other than sitting on the other end of a phone tree waiting for support to ask you if you've rebooted. It is supported by the many supporters to the code tree and by the open, expansive user forums.
>Clearly, $MY_SPECIALTY should drive the entire system! They made a big mistake by allowing $OTHER_SPECIALTY to take precedence. Everyone knows that only $MY_SPECIALTY should dominate all design plans. Duh.
Awesome.
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The user experience and flow at FB improved IMHO with the recent changes.
Great design? It's squarer than the Air, sure. Great? Well, it is cleaner than anything I've EVER seen from Dell.
Light? It's a full pound heavier than the Air -- now that's a fatty!
Can you make a commercial begging someone to take your money and buy a light laptop and NOT buy the Air? Nope! -- At $2600 for an Adama that does not out perform the top end Air at 2,499.00 (starting at 1799.00 btw).
I still don't know why ppl drool for Netbooks either... at least these things have full size keyboards and screens. If all I did was email and surf it'd be great.
And BTW -- who cares about HDMI out? I don't really care as long as I can hook the device up to a projector or external monitor. Both the Adam0 and the Air satisfy this need.
Don't worry, the W3C takes over a decade to get a spec into a Recommendation... by that time all the grey beards will have died off and this will have been surpassed by The Next Great Thing.
I hold a little bit of MSFT stock and this depresses me.
Do they really believe a race to selling your product for nothing is the way out or ahead?
So basically MSFT has bragged that their OS somehow ships on 97% of all sub-300 dollar devices? Even if it were true I don't believe they are making any money at all from this.
Oh wait. You mean it's not really capitalism? There really isn't enough competition?! Yet they companies keep hiding behind the premise of free markets and profits?
Write your senators and representatives folks... we all believe this is the future right? Where everyone has access to broadband and those who can't afford it are subsidized in some fashion? Information wants to be free right? Not just for some people.
The US will never get reasonable fast broadband in the current vacuum of competition.
OK great. You got it at the tactile keyboard part.
Everything else is showing you don't really know that the iPhone can play music that's not "commercial", can sync to exchance and "connect to messaging services", and there is an app store full of "third party add ons".
This guy gets it right why is he modded a troll? Some anti-anti boy has mod access!
FWIW the Newton OS had cut and paste in at least 1993 so nyahhhnyahhhhnyahhhnyahhhh
Apple FTW!!!!!
I can't believe I'm wasting my time replying to people wasting their time complaining that Cut/Paste isn't a huge feature to have announced.
It's a basic feature you are correct but imagine writing an operating system, making it hop around chip architectures, settling in on the Intel platform. Now, imagine taking that same OS and shrinking it to run on a pocket computer which only has a touch screen for input and the only input device is a human finger.
So you start developing gestures to do things you would normally do with a mouse and keyboard, and maybe another pointer called a stylus. Most of your gestures involve getting around, typing, and actions. Cut and paste is not a function necessary for functioning and in fact, the normal double tap action is taken to zoom into text on a tiny screen.
What do you do? What do you do?!?!?!? Imagine you are in control in this reality, not your fantasy world, then come on back.
Anyway, this lame-o lack of cut/paste didn't stop Apple from selling these things like ice cream in hell.
The Adama : CPU: IntelCore2 DuoSU9300 (1.2GHz/800MHz FSB/2M L2 Cache)
GPU: Intel Mobile 965 Express
---- The Air: CPU: 1.6GHz or 1.86GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor with 6MB on-chip shared L2 cache running 1:1 with processor speed
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce 9400M graphics processor with 256MB of DDR3 SDRAM shared with main memory
---- That adama website is god awful. They fail at elegance all over from the brown corduroy bespoke bald white man (hey, i'm bald too but gosh this guy looked thuggish) in the weird apartment setting to this web site that has images moving all the time and no decent product shots to really get the feel of the "elegance".
This thing is heeeeaaaaaavvvy at 4lbs (I thought @4lbs they included the DVD combo drive) and sort of starts with a high price compared to the $1799.00 MacBook Air which weighs in at a svelte 3lbs.
It's small, cheap, fits in my pocket, makes phone calls, plays music, videos, and games, reads documents, surfs the web, checks multiple email accounts, takes pictures, posts pictures, controls my home media center (a mini connected to tv/stereo) with the Remote app.
I never expect it to do anything but the above so the screen size does not bother me when I attempt to say log into my server over SSH, or use a CMS... but it works in a pinch.
My point is, the netbook niche hasn't sparked a fire from within. I don't currently see a dividend to purchasing a full size laptop, a netbook, and a smart phone.
I can cut out the middle purchase and truly have the best experience and simplify my consumption and gadget life.
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I am very interested in a device that isn't perhaps a full sized laptop which I could carry around my house reading news, watching movies, and controlling my theatre. I get tired of having the laptop form factor to do all of this. I can imagine something but it probably wouldn't be a product Apple or anyone would introduce unless there was a simple hook a la iPod, iPhone that makes it compelling.
That said, I can understand that netbooks are compelling to some consumers, just not me where it seems like gadget clutter instead.
Seriously folks -- how about some perspective here huh?
This is a service you pay for and guess what? You get to watch movies online, anytime you want! Yet you bitch and moan that some cog in the engine changed to make the service better!
Oh "I'm going to cancel my subscription, that'll show them" and "This is going to be a PR disaster" -- YEAH since all 19 of you neck bearded know it alls will rock Netflix Corporate and they'll be sending hand written notes with chocolates in them to your home address with a year's free subscription included.
Get off it. WIMP always sucked butt. Silverlight is better and at least runs on a Mac too. DRM, ShmeeRM -- if you want to avoid that well, make your own movie I guess or develop a work around like going to the library and checking out a book!
Point taken -- nobody wants to be reaching forward at a desk, they'll use a mouse.
This form factor is gee-whiz unless it's installed in a vertical application like a museum kiosk, way finding, or yes perhaps a kitchen recipe device (cooka sutra?).
OK so Apple's share of the worldwide computer shipments is 7-10 million units.
Funny thing is, there are other ships floating out there in them competitive waters Mr. Ballmer. Witness: iPod, iPhone, iTunes, and notably WebKit
I see a much lower percentage share of IE on sites I manage and barely a blip of traffic from Chrome with Firefox and then Safari taking places 2 & 3.
We don't need to discuss how iPod/iPhone has affected the landscape.
I'm more interested in how WebKit plays in the equation. Webkit is more than just plain old eyeballs, it's increasingly driving standards with support for CSS,/HTML specs, and, offline db support that make content development less dependent on proprietary tools like ActiveX plug-ins or Flash and more dependent on a web browser (typically not one from MSFT).
He's a cocky bastard and he just got lucky. Wonder if he'd do as well as Paul Allen outside of the MSFT play pen?
Not to mention that fleet sales are what propped up Detroit for a long time... now what's happening to them? I mention this because the ultra low cost and low cost devices are equivalent to fleet sales.
Anyway, the compare tabs are interesting. I don't disagree that solutions from MSFT work and work well but to pick nits about unix requiring maintenance and other blah blahs, it's all marketing speak. And good for ya.
Free is never free. Just like free software to schools -- it's about your first hit.
What's not to love about a Intel Core Duo 2 with a few gigs of RAM connected to a fat pipe? I guess I'd probably go with a VPS somewhere for about the same price and ultimately it'd be more scalable... but, Mini Colo is cool: http://www.macminicolo.net/
FWIW: Mac OSX == *nix
I use one of those cute little toys as a media server and it rocks my house.
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Uh, dude, we pay for the service -- typically close to 50.00/month. Furthermore, there is a monopoly in many areas (same as cell service).
And add to that comparison's with other industrialized nations and we are overcharged and under-served when it comes to internet access and often cell phone plans.
Certainly there's a limit ... I do know since I've done things to saturate a pipe or two.
>...by using unsupported opensource isnt that big of a deal
Uh-oh the scary phrase "unsupported opensource" that all the FUD spreaders use when someone suggests using OSS on a project.
Guess what? Open source software is supported. It is supported by your engineers actually doing something with their knowledge other than sitting on the other end of a phone tree waiting for support to ask you if you've rebooted. It is supported by the many supporters to the code tree and by the open, expansive user forums.
Blah blah blah blah.
"Facebook seems to be stitched together as a set of "solution de jour" technologies without any real architecture behind it."
What's "de jour" about PHP or LAMP? Christ man they have been around for over a decade.
So if this was written in Cobol would that make you happy?
Have you developed anything with the reach, user count, view count of Facebook?
FB doesn't seem to be buckling under the pressure. More photos are uploaded to FB than any other site man:
http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/02/22/facebook-photos-pulls-away-from-the-pack/
What's so hodge-podge about that implementation?! Because it's not JSP serving?
>Clearly, $MY_SPECIALTY should drive the entire system! They made a big mistake by allowing $OTHER_SPECIALTY to take precedence. Everyone knows that only $MY_SPECIALTY should dominate all design plans. Duh.
Awesome.
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The user experience and flow at FB improved IMHO with the recent changes.
The Adam0 is a bore.
Great design? It's squarer than the Air, sure. Great? Well, it is cleaner than anything I've EVER seen from Dell.
Light? It's a full pound heavier than the Air -- now that's a fatty!
Can you make a commercial begging someone to take your money and buy a light laptop and NOT buy the Air?
Nope! -- At $2600 for an Adama that does not out perform the top end Air at 2,499.00 (starting at 1799.00 btw).
I still don't know why ppl drool for Netbooks either ... at least these things have full size keyboards and screens. If all I did was email and surf it'd be great.
And BTW -- who cares about HDMI out? I don't really care as long as I can hook the device up to a projector or external monitor. Both the Adam0 and the Air satisfy this need.
Don't worry, the W3C takes over a decade to get a spec into a Recommendation ... by that time all the grey beards will have died off and this will have been surpassed by The Next Great Thing.
Sigh.
I hold a little bit of MSFT stock and this depresses me.
Do they really believe a race to selling your product for nothing is the way out or ahead?
So basically MSFT has bragged that their OS somehow ships on 97% of all sub-300 dollar devices? Even if it were true I don't believe they are making any money at all from this.
Three cheers for unfettered capitalism!!!
Oh wait. You mean it's not really capitalism? There really isn't enough competition?! Yet they companies keep hiding behind the premise of free markets and profits?
Write your senators and representatives folks ... we all believe this is the future right? Where everyone has access to broadband and those who can't afford it are subsidized in some fashion? Information wants to be free right? Not just for some people.
The US will never get reasonable fast broadband in the current vacuum of competition.
You are seriously complaining and getting modded up about a TEN DOLLAR price tag?!!?!?!?
Seriously? Ten bucks?
$10.00
Nyaaa nyaa nyaaaaaa nyaaaaaaaa.
OK great. You got it at the tactile keyboard part.
Everything else is showing you don't really know that the iPhone can play music that's not "commercial", can sync to exchance and "connect to messaging services", and there is an app store full of "third party add ons".
Anyway, onto my regularly schedule programming.
This guy gets it right why is he modded a troll? Some anti-anti boy has mod access!
FWIW the Newton OS had cut and paste in at least 1993 so nyahhhnyahhhhnyahhhnyahhhh
Apple FTW!!!!!
I can't believe I'm wasting my time replying to people wasting their time complaining that Cut/Paste isn't a huge feature to have announced.
It's a basic feature you are correct but imagine writing an operating system, making it hop around chip architectures, settling in on the Intel platform. Now, imagine taking that same OS and shrinking it to run on a pocket computer which only has a touch screen for input and the only input device is a human finger.
So you start developing gestures to do things you would normally do with a mouse and keyboard, and maybe another pointer called a stylus. Most of your gestures involve getting around, typing, and actions. Cut and paste is not a function necessary for functioning and in fact, the normal double tap action is taken to zoom into text on a tiny screen.
What do you do? What do you do?!?!?!?
Imagine you are in control in this reality, not your fantasy world, then come on back.
Anyway, this lame-o lack of cut/paste didn't stop Apple from selling these things like ice cream in hell.
You think the Air has a weaker CPU?
The Adama :
CPU:
IntelCore2 DuoSU9300
(1.2GHz/800MHz FSB/2M L2 Cache)
GPU:
Intel Mobile 965 Express
----
The Air:
CPU:
1.6GHz or 1.86GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor with 6MB on-chip shared L2 cache running 1:1 with processor speed
GPU:
NVIDIA GeForce 9400M graphics processor with 256MB of DDR3 SDRAM shared with main memory
----
That adama website is god awful. They fail at elegance all over from the brown corduroy bespoke bald white man (hey, i'm bald too but gosh this guy looked thuggish) in the weird apartment setting to this web site that has images moving all the time and no decent product shots to really get the feel of the "elegance".
Wow, not only does the infomercial go SPLAT!
This thing is heeeeaaaaaavvvy at 4lbs (I thought @4lbs they included the DVD combo drive) and sort of starts with a high price compared to the $1799.00 MacBook Air which weighs in at a svelte 3lbs.
Apple FTW!
Are you sure it tastes like nuts?
It's 200 bucks! What's expensive?
Of course there's the ATT plan but you pony up for a plan with every cell phone.
If you don't want that then a dumb phone and your plan + netbook makes more sense I guess.
I know some who carry iPod Touch as this kind of device. Cheap, no plan needed + wifi access = ching!
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(and someone modded that comment up?! Overrated dude)
Copy/paste ... yeah.
My iPhone is my netbook.
It's small, cheap, fits in my pocket, makes phone calls, plays music, videos, and games, reads documents, surfs the web, checks multiple email accounts, takes pictures, posts pictures, controls my home media center (a mini connected to tv/stereo) with the Remote app.
I never expect it to do anything but the above so the screen size does not bother me when I attempt to say log into my server over SSH, or use a CMS ... but it works in a pinch.
My point is, the netbook niche hasn't sparked a fire from within. I don't currently see a dividend to purchasing a full size laptop, a netbook, and a smart phone.
I can cut out the middle purchase and truly have the best experience and simplify my consumption and gadget life.
---
I am very interested in a device that isn't perhaps a full sized laptop which I could carry around my house reading news, watching movies, and controlling my theatre. I get tired of having the laptop form factor to do all of this. I can imagine something but it probably wouldn't be a product Apple or anyone would introduce unless there was a simple hook a la iPod, iPhone that makes it compelling.
That said, I can understand that netbooks are compelling to some consumers, just not me where it seems like gadget clutter instead.
Seriously folks -- how about some perspective here huh?
This is a service you pay for and guess what? You get to watch movies online, anytime you want! Yet you bitch and moan that some cog in the engine changed to make the service better!
Oh "I'm going to cancel my subscription, that'll show them" and "This is going to be a PR disaster" -- YEAH since all 19 of you neck bearded know it alls will rock Netflix Corporate and they'll be sending hand written notes with chocolates in them to your home address with a year's free subscription included.
Get off it. WIMP always sucked butt. Silverlight is better and at least runs on a Mac too. DRM, ShmeeRM -- if you want to avoid that well, make your own movie I guess or develop a work around like going to the library and checking out a book!
Bingo -- this is definitely a niche product IMO.
Point taken -- nobody wants to be reaching forward at a desk, they'll use a mouse.
This form factor is gee-whiz unless it's installed in a vertical application like a museum kiosk, way finding, or yes perhaps a kitchen recipe device (cooka sutra?).
OK so Apple's share of the worldwide computer shipments is 7-10 million units.
Funny thing is, there are other ships floating out there in them competitive waters Mr. Ballmer.
Witness: iPod, iPhone, iTunes, and notably WebKit
I see a much lower percentage share of IE on sites I manage and barely a blip of traffic from Chrome with Firefox and then Safari taking places 2 & 3.
We don't need to discuss how iPod/iPhone has affected the landscape.
I'm more interested in how WebKit plays in the equation.
Webkit is more than just plain old eyeballs, it's increasingly driving standards with support for CSS,/HTML specs, and, offline db support that make content development less dependent on proprietary tools like ActiveX plug-ins or Flash and more dependent on a web browser (typically not one from MSFT).
He's a cocky bastard and he just got lucky. Wonder if he'd do as well as Paul Allen outside of the MSFT play pen?
Not to mention that fleet sales are what propped up Detroit for a long time ... now what's happening to them? I mention this because the ultra low cost and low cost devices are equivalent to fleet sales.
Clearly you get paid to do this? Not the first time I've seen a post to "getthefacts" which resolves to http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver/compare/default.mspx ...which ironically uses a flash container!
Anyway, the compare tabs are interesting. I don't disagree that solutions from MSFT work and work well but to pick nits about unix requiring maintenance and other blah blahs, it's all marketing speak. And good for ya.
Free is never free. Just like free software to schools -- it's about your first hit.
Smells like a troll is awake at a certain "iPhone analytics firm" ...
What is an "iPhone analytics firm" ? Do they make something other than scary "boogity boogity" sounds?
So what. This is a non-announcement.
We install MS Office on everyone's computer and folks guess what? Yep, people only use about 5% of the whole suite.
bring out your trolls!
bring out your trolls!
bring out your trolls!
Actually, apache and php are pre-installed on plain old Mac OS X (not server designated OS) but often you'll want to roll your own.
Fair mod the AC received.
What's not to love about a Intel Core Duo 2 with a few gigs of RAM connected to a fat pipe?
I guess I'd probably go with a VPS somewhere for about the same price and ultimately it'd be more scalable... but, Mini Colo is cool:
http://www.macminicolo.net/
FWIW: Mac OSX == *nix
I use one of those cute little toys as a media server and it rocks my house.
DRM!
You can't share anything folks. NOTHING. The books are not yours!