(*upon further thought*) mandatory chipping for the following: - politicians - lawyers and last but not least - a certain chairman working for VeriChip Corp.
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I used to work in a retail store that sold software. The rule was that we could not return opened software (the reason given..they might have copied it)...
The idea that someone might want them to copy the software seemed to confuse the people working there also...
Because in a computer you are dealing with an internal representation that is always finite...where as in the world of abstractions you can work with infinite precision numbers...
As it turns out...that loss of precision can actually impact the way your calculations work.
The correctness of the result of a calculation can even be impacted by the order in which the calculation is done. (this can and has resulted in things going BOOM)
There is a whole field of study devoted to this subject...check up on Numerical Analysis
Understand the concept...just would like to see some numbers and tech specifications...you are talking about a hell of a lot of static build up to be able to take on a nuclear power plant.
How does one "Build an Ionic Flow ring...(that) strips electrons from the wind that pass through the ring"...and generate enough energy to power to launch something into orbit ??????
I am not being facetious...I am just wondering about the power generation...the last time I looked (around 2003)...the best you could get out of an individual wind generation unit was somewhere around 6 mega watts...you are talking about something way beyond that.
I said: "Politicians and bureaucrats will always be politicians and bureaucrats and they will always do what politicians and bureaucrats always do...you ain't gonna change them and you ain't gonna be able to make them do anything that they don't want to do."
Rephrased a little bit: "Gravity will always gravity and it will always do what gravity does...you ain't gonna be able to change it and you ain't gonna be able to make it do anything that it doesn't want to do."
Gravity does certain things and it will always do those things...so do politicians and bureaucrats...if pay attention to what is going on, you can use the circumstances to your advantage, and you can get things done...if you just stand there and bitch...well, you'll have plenty to bitch about.
Enjoy your little corner of reality...they are all out to get you...I wish you the best of luck.
Politicians and bureaucrats will always be politicians and bureaucrats and they will always do what politicians and bureaucrats always do...you ain't gonna change them and you ain't gonna be able to make them do anything that they don't want to do.
Now, look at what is happening right now...they just happen to want to do (in this moment) a small part of what we want them to be doing...I know it is a small part, but just hang on.
Who are they asking to implement this? They are asking the only people that they know of who might have any idea of how to do it. They are asking the people who got us there last time...they are asking the people who thought we were going to go there permanent last time...
I am not talking about a stupid bandwagon...I am talking about a group of very intelligent people who put their hearts and souls into a dream and got screwed out of it...I am talking about some seriously motivated people (who are just as pissed as you) with the brain power to back them up.
Why do I support it? It's really simple: to give those people a chance to take back their dream...they haven't forgotten what happened last time...they ain't gonna let it happen again...
These are scientists and engineers...they just don't like to play politics...it doesn't mean they don't know how...sit back and watch the party...or better yet join them and have fun...
You know, at first I was really pissed off when I saw this post...I mean, for those of us who actually dream of and even have been involved in having a permanent and ongoing human presence in space, what you said was just plain nasty.
However...You did get me thinking...what is my reason for wanting to go to the moon? Why am I so passionate about something so big and so far fetched?
You know what I realized...I don't NEED a REASON (at least not one that you happen to approve of)... It is real simple... I am passionate about the possibilities available for humanity spreading out among the planets and even the stars...
I am passionate about the possibilities for our planet, once humanity gets a chance to really look down on our planet and sees it as a whole...
I am passionate about the possiblilties in the realm technology, once we get to a place where gravity doesn't interfere with crystal growth, where a vaccum can be a real vaccum, and where I could launch a space probe by openning a door...
They may have no reason for going to the moon. They may have bad reasons for going to the moon. So what...I can give them some good reasons...and I suspect so can you (and in the process you might just get your orbital hotel, etc).
Maybe they could use it to track those troubled children and get them the help they need before they become troubled politicians, lawyers, and bureaucrats.
Windows code runs and Windows code has bugs... OpenBSD code runs and OpenBSD code has bugs... Linux code runs and Linux code has bugs...
Windows code is closed source...only Windows people are allowed to fix the bugs...
OpenBSD code is open source but from a "pioneer" with an attitude...some people might enjoy working on his "crack 60 person team", but it don't appear that great number of developers are knocking down his door...limits the number of people working on making the code better...
Linux code is open source with the GPL...anybody can work on bugs...the good coders...the bad coders...the unknown coders...if you fix it you get credit...if you dont fix it, well you probably learned something with out some jerk telling you your work is just "these cheap little hacks"...which tends to make coders happier...increases the number of coders available to work on your system, and makes for better (higher quality)code.
Has anyone started a thread on this using the Hardware vs. Software metaphor?
I have had machines that boot both Linux and that "other" operating system...the Linux always seemed to run better...hey, it has "better" software running on it.
Now, this begs the question... What is "better"? What are the actual limits of the hardware? How close are we running to those limits?
and if you really want to get into a fun conversation:
How do upgrade the software (or hardware)? and for that matter...Is it even possible?
(*grin*) Then there is the idea of GPLing the source code, not to mention backups.
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(*initial reaction to the proposal*)
Oh, hell no!
(*upon further thought*)
mandatory chipping for the following:
- politicians
- lawyers
and last but not least
- a certain chairman working for VeriChip Corp.
Especially since this design doesn't require you to decloak before
firing your photon torpedoes or using your transporter...
of course now we need a good design for photon torpedoes and transporters
(*grin*)
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(*grin*)
almost forgot the "X"
I used to work in a retail store that sold software. The rule was that we could not return opened software (the reason given..they might have copied it)...
The idea that someone might want them to copy the software seemed to confuse the people working there also...
Because in a computer you are dealing with an internal representation that is always finite...where as in the world of abstractions you can work with infinite precision numbers...
As it turns out...that loss of precision can actually impact the way your calculations work.
The correctness of the result of a calculation can even be impacted by the order in which the calculation is done. (this can and has resulted in things going BOOM)
There is a whole field of study devoted to this subject...check up on Numerical Analysis
well...the site is blocked at my office...i'll see it when i get home tonite.
Understand the concept...just would like to see some numbers and tech specifications...you are talking about a hell of a lot of static build up to be able to take on a nuclear power plant.
A little proof of concept would be nice...
How does one
"Build an Ionic Flow ring...(that) strips electrons from the wind that pass through the ring"...and generate enough energy to power to launch something into orbit
??????
I am not being facetious...I am just wondering about the power generation...the last time I looked (around 2003)...the best you could get out of an individual wind generation unit was somewhere around 6 mega watts...you are talking about something way beyond that.
I said:
"Politicians and bureaucrats will always be politicians and bureaucrats and they will always do what politicians and bureaucrats always do...you ain't gonna change them and you ain't gonna be able to make them do anything that they don't want to do."
Rephrased a little bit:
"Gravity will always gravity and it will always do what gravity does...you ain't gonna be able to change it and you ain't gonna be able to make it do anything that it doesn't want to do."
Gravity does certain things and it will always do those things...so do politicians and bureaucrats...if pay attention to what is going on, you can use the circumstances to your advantage, and you can get things done...if you just stand there and bitch...well, you'll have plenty to bitch about.
Enjoy your little corner of reality...they are all out to get you...I wish you the best of luck.
- the politicians and the bureaucrats are throwing the party
- we are making the party our own
- we are making sure the money is spent on our terms
what part of this are you not getting?
Politicians and bureaucrats will always be politicians and bureaucrats and they will always do what politicians and bureaucrats always do...you ain't gonna change them and you ain't gonna be able to make them do anything that they don't want to do.
Now, look at what is happening right now...they just happen to want to do (in this moment) a small part of what we want them to be doing...I know it is a small part, but just hang on.
Who are they asking to implement this?
They are asking the only people that they know of who might have any idea of how to do it.
They are asking the people who got us there last time...they are asking the people who thought we were going to go there permanent last time...
I am not talking about a stupid bandwagon...I am talking about a group of very intelligent people who put their hearts and souls into a dream and got screwed out of it...I am talking about some seriously motivated people (who are just as pissed as you) with the brain power to back them up.
Why do I support it?
It's really simple: to give those people a chance to take back their dream...they haven't forgotten what happened last time...they ain't gonna let it happen again...
These are scientists and engineers...they just don't like to play politics...it doesn't mean they don't know how...sit back and watch the party...or better yet join them and have fun...
You know, at first I was really pissed off when I saw this post...I mean, for those of us who actually dream of and even have been involved in having a permanent and ongoing human presence in space, what you said was just plain nasty.
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However...You did get me thinking...what is my reason for wanting to go to the moon? Why am I so passionate about something so big and so far fetched?
You know what I realized...I don't NEED a REASON (at least not one that you happen to approve of)...
It is real simple...
I am passionate about the possibilities available for humanity spreading out among the planets and even the stars...
I am passionate about the possibilities for our planet, once humanity gets a chance to really look down on our planet and sees it as a whole...
I am passionate about the possiblilties in the realm technology, once we get to a place where gravity doesn't interfere with crystal growth, where a vaccum can be a real vaccum, and where I could launch a space probe by openning a door...
They may have no reason for going to the moon.
They may have bad reasons for going to the moon.
So what...I can give them some good reasons...and I suspect so can you (and in the process you might just get your orbital hotel, etc).
Hell, so can these guys:
http://www.space.com/news/moon_top10_031208-1.htm
http://www.enterprisemission.com/top-ten.htm
http://www.thespacereview.com/article/82/1
http://www.nssnyc.org/amillionreasons.html
http://www.famousquotes.me.uk/speeches/John_F_Ken
Maybe they could use it to track those troubled children and get them the help they need before they become troubled politicians, lawyers, and bureaucrats.
You might want to consider what they accomplished...
For a budget of about $20 million, they did three missions that approximately matched what Alan Shepard did. And...they got to keep the whole rocket.
And you really need to understand the human spirit...NASA ain't going away, but neither are the dreamers.
I think you kind of missed the point...
Windows code runs and Windows code has bugs...
OpenBSD code runs and OpenBSD code has bugs...
Linux code runs and Linux code has bugs...
Windows code is closed source...only Windows people are allowed to fix the bugs...
OpenBSD code is open source but from a "pioneer" with an attitude...some people might enjoy working on his "crack 60 person team", but it don't appear that great number of developers are knocking down his door...limits the number of people working on making the code better...
Linux code is open source with the GPL...anybody can work on bugs...the good coders...the bad coders...the unknown coders...if you fix it you get credit...if you dont fix it, well you probably learned something with out some jerk telling you your work is just "these cheap little hacks"...which tends to make coders happier...increases the number of coders available to work on your system, and makes for better (higher quality)code.
Has anyone started a thread on this using the Hardware vs. Software metaphor?
I have had machines that boot both Linux and that "other" operating system...the Linux always seemed to run better...hey, it has "better" software running on it.
Now, this begs the question...
What is "better"?
What are the actual limits of the hardware?
How close are we running to those limits?
and if you really want to get into a fun conversation:
How do upgrade the software (or hardware)?
and for that matter...Is it even possible?
(*grin*)
Then there is the idea of GPLing the source code, not to mention backups.
SCJ
Also check out the book: Halfway To Anywhere by George Stine.
The book mentions something about the fact that the Thor rocket could almost make it to orbit by itself...and this was in the 50's.