Unfortunately, it has attracted a large number of clueless wannabes who absolutely MUST advocate Gentoo at every opportunity.
What makes them "clueless"? Maybe they advocate it because it really is as good as it sounds?
"Gentoo makes me so much more productive."
"Although I can't use the box at the moment because it's compiling something, as it will be for the next five days, it gives me more time to check out the latest USE flags and potentially unstable optimisation settings."
Well, if I do long compiles, I leave it compiling for the night (while I sleep) and it can continue in the next day while I go to work. So the computer has close to 20 hours of free compile-time that does not in any shape or form reduce my productivity, since I wouldn't be using the computer regardless.
And is there something stopping you from using the computer while it compiles? I don't think so. And that "5 day compile". You might get something like that if you compiled something huge (like KDE3 together with Xfree) on a slow computer.
Heh, my system is soooo much faster after installing Gentoo."
"I've spent hours recompiling Fetchmail, X-Chat, gEdit and thousands of other programs which spend 99% of their time waiting for user input.
There is such thing as responsivness. On general desktop-use, Gentoo IS extremely responsive. Apps load fast and the general feel of the machine is extremely snappy. As to your whining about the compile-times.... Read my comment above.
if somehow you were able to convince the masses there was / is no God. A lot of people simply can't imagine a life with no higher power as being positive, good, or worth living. Others who see the existence of God as keeping them in check would suddenly feel free to break all 10 commandments and enjoy it. So all these people would likely become depressed, suicidal, putting a huge burden on our healthcare system. Or, they might just go bonkers and start killing people, stealing, looting, pillaging, and practising all sorts of heathenous behaviors. Of course, once all these deluded people passed on we could get down to business, but there'd be about a hundred years of rough times.
So, you are saying that religion is the real-life Matrix? "Designed to keep us under control...". Damn, I think I just figured out the REAL meaning behind the movie!
While Unix/Linux-admins do have somewhat higher salaries than Win-admins, it has been shown that they are less likely to leave their employer and that they can manage greater number of servers than their Win-counterparts. So in the end, it more or less evens out.
I loved the formula in the Matrix, because it was presented with a new spin.
Huh? Now I love Matrix, but it's obvious that they got large part of the story from Dark City. Hell, Matrix even used some of the leftover sets from the Dark City! Just about the only differences between Matrix and Dark City is that Matrix was action-oriented and it had a huge budget.
If you want the latest on unstable, it's trivial to get it. You just have to add some non-official sources for apt-get to use.
Perhaps, but we are not talking about some semi-official sources, we are talking about the unstable-tree. First claim was was that "Unstable is bleeding edge". I disagreed. Now people say that "Oh, but you have to install them from this different location...". Well, we aren't talking about Unstable anymore. In my book, "Unstable" is the stuff you get when you have specified that you are using standard unstable-tree and do apt-get update and apt-get upgrade. If you add other sourced besides the unstable, then it is not the standard unstable anymore.
It would seem so. And that's why I'm already migrating to Gentoo.
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Yes, and that's where you lack the background context about why the above 2 things took a long time.
I'm well aware of the reasons for the delay. And guess what? I don't care for their reasons! All I care is that is the software in there or isn't it. And in this case, it wasn't. Other distros had them, Debian did not. So the people who say that Unstable is cutting-edge, are simply wrong. Perhaps it would be closer to the truth is they said "Unstable is more or less current, unless some big and important packages are againg being held back indefinitely because they are implementing some changes".
Yes, they were migrating to GCC3 and that was the cause for the delay. So what? fact remains that the software was delayed and that means that Unstable is not bleeding edge. That is a FACT. And that means that one should not do the "Debian unstable is bleeding edge" party-line if it's not true.
Of course, every other distro were also migrating to GCC3 back then, yet they were running the new software alot sooner than Debian was...
Perhaps other parts of Unstable are more current, but again: I don't care! I don't care if Unstable has YetAnotherApp0.05 whereas other distros still have YetAnotherApp0.04, if big and important packages are delayed. And Xfree and KDE are pretty damn big and important in my book!
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You know what? I don't care. I don't care that if there were some big changes going on (how come other distros didn't suffer from these big changes (like GCC3-migration)?). All I care is that are the packages available. Many people like to say "Just run Unstable if you want the absolute bleeding-edge", when the fact is that unstable is not bleeding edge either. Big and important packages can be delayed for months while other distros are already happily running them.
Yes I know that there were KDE3-packages available. But were those packages part of Unstable? Nope. Therefore unstable was not "bleeding edge".
Sorry, unstable/testing isn't really cutting edge either. It took 9 frigging months for Xfree 4.2 to appear in Unstable, and it took even longer for KDE3!
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How long did it take for Xfree 4.2 to appear on Debian unstable? How long did it take for KDE3 to appear on Debian unstable?
XFree86 is fine for desktops, just don't expect it to be a top gaming environment yet.
What do you want from a "gaming environment"? I mean, from the benchmarks I have seen, Linux (and Xfree) compete well with Windows when it comes to performance, beating it in many cases. True, the selection of games is still limited, but that's not Xfree's fault.
Software I'm using? Let's see... Linux was born in Finland, KDE is mainly an European effort. Qt-toolkit is from Norway. I'm running Galeon right now. I would guess it has some american roots in it, but usually I use Konqueror, which has it's roots in Europe. I'm also currently running VNC (born in the UK). A while ago I also used IRC (invented in Finland).
It seems that overwhelming majority of my most-used software is from outside the USA.
It could be that there are no cheaper alternatives in the Netherlands. But if products are considerably cheaper in Finland, where just about everything costs an arm and a leg, I would say that the Dutch IT-retailers are collectively ripping you off.
First of all, RAM and disk space are NOT cheap. I spent 60 euros for 256 MB RAM, that's is not cheap (it's more than 120 Dutch guilders for goodness's sake!). A 60 GB harddisk still costs more than 200 euros. Again: not cheap. Until I can buy 256 MB RAM for 10 euros or less, and 60 GB harddisks for less than 90 euros, I call them everything but cheap.
Whoa! That IS expensive! Let me quote some prices:
256MB DDR266 CL2: 44e (could be had for 34e if you want generic brand)
Western Digital Caviar SE 120GB EIDE 8MB cache: 175e
These are the prices in Finland (more precisely, in www.verkkokauppa.com). So I think it's fair to say that you are getting ripped off.
To my knowledge, Linus uses KDE. He submitted a Konqueror-related bugreport to KDE, and the guy who handled the bug asked him that does he use KDE. His reply was along the lines "Yes, the antialiased fonts won me over". That was in KDE2-times.
Gee, like in Great Britain? Australia? Sorry, too many of my friends have been raped
Guns are not the end all be all solution to crime. I mean, according to you, your friends have been raped, even though carrying guns is legal (as your comments later showed). If guns are so effective at stopping crime, why do the criminals take the risk and rape, when their victims can be armed?
OTOH, guns are not carried around in Finland (although there are lots of guns here, mainly shotguns, rifles etc.), and rapes are not as common here. Of course they do take place, but they aren't as serious menace as it seems to be in your case. How can that be, even though the potential victims are not even armed here?
If guns are a good solution to crime, then countries where guns can be owned, carried and used more easily (like the USA) should be relatively crime-free, whereas Europe (for example), where gun-ownership and rights to use are more limited, should be filled with crime when compared to USA. But reality shows that it's exactly the opposite. why?
Yes, overclocking propably shortens the life-span of the CPU's. But then again, by the time the CPU's burn out due to overclocking, they would be obsolete regardless.
My Duron has been overclocked right from the start and it runs just fine. And I bet that I will be replacing it because it's just too slow (840Mhz Duron is pretty slow these days) instead of it burning out due to overclocking.
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There's only one thing that is more lame than "First post!"-messages. That is a "First post!" message that isn't the first post.
What makes them "clueless"? Maybe they advocate it because it really is as good as it sounds?
Well, if I do long compiles, I leave it compiling for the night (while I sleep) and it can continue in the next day while I go to work. So the computer has close to 20 hours of free compile-time that does not in any shape or form reduce my productivity, since I wouldn't be using the computer regardless.
And is there something stopping you from using the computer while it compiles? I don't think so. And that "5 day compile". You might get something like that if you compiled something huge (like KDE3 together with Xfree) on a slow computer.
There is such thing as responsivness. On general desktop-use, Gentoo IS extremely responsive. Apps load fast and the general feel of the machine is extremely snappy. As to your whining about the compile-times.... Read my comment above.
Ummmm.... No. 3650 or 7650 do not have 104MHz ARM processor in 'em
That's Derek Smart, PhD to you mere mortal!
So, you are saying that religion is the real-life Matrix? "Designed to keep us under control...". Damn, I think I just figured out the REAL meaning behind the movie!
So.... you are saying that over 50% of tech-people are unemployed?
While Unix/Linux-admins do have somewhat higher salaries than Win-admins, it has been shown that they are less likely to leave their employer and that they can manage greater number of servers than their Win-counterparts. So in the end, it more or less evens out.
Huh? Now I love Matrix, but it's obvious that they got large part of the story from Dark City. Hell, Matrix even used some of the leftover sets from the Dark City! Just about the only differences between Matrix and Dark City is that Matrix was action-oriented and it had a huge budget.
I don't know where that AC got his info from, but my source is this:
k /p olitikfelder/euro_stabil_html
http://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/www/en/eu_politi
Kroner in question is use in Denmark (as B&O is a danish company). Euro is used by 303 million people in Europe.
Perhaps, but we are not talking about some semi-official sources, we are talking about the unstable-tree. First claim was was that "Unstable is bleeding edge". I disagreed. Now people say that "Oh, but you have to install them from this different location...". Well, we aren't talking about Unstable anymore. In my book, "Unstable" is the stuff you get when you have specified that you are using standard unstable-tree and do apt-get update and apt-get upgrade. If you add other sourced besides the unstable, then it is not the standard unstable anymore.
It would seem so. And that's why I'm already migrating to Gentoo.
I'm well aware of the reasons for the delay. And guess what? I don't care for their reasons! All I care is that is the software in there or isn't it. And in this case, it wasn't. Other distros had them, Debian did not. So the people who say that Unstable is cutting-edge, are simply wrong. Perhaps it would be closer to the truth is they said "Unstable is more or less current, unless some big and important packages are againg being held back indefinitely because they are implementing some changes".
Yes, they were migrating to GCC3 and that was the cause for the delay. So what? fact remains that the software was delayed and that means that Unstable is not bleeding edge. That is a FACT. And that means that one should not do the "Debian unstable is bleeding edge" party-line if it's not true.
Of course, every other distro were also migrating to GCC3 back then, yet they were running the new software alot sooner than Debian was...
Perhaps other parts of Unstable are more current, but again: I don't care! I don't care if Unstable has YetAnotherApp0.05 whereas other distros still have YetAnotherApp0.04, if big and important packages are delayed. And Xfree and KDE are pretty damn big and important in my book!
You know what? I don't care. I don't care that if there were some big changes going on (how come other distros didn't suffer from these big changes (like GCC3-migration)?). All I care is that are the packages available. Many people like to say "Just run Unstable if you want the absolute bleeding-edge", when the fact is that unstable is not bleeding edge either. Big and important packages can be delayed for months while other distros are already happily running them.
Yes I know that there were KDE3-packages available. But were those packages part of Unstable? Nope. Therefore unstable was not "bleeding edge".
Sorry, unstable/testing isn't really cutting edge either. It took 9 frigging months for Xfree 4.2 to appear in Unstable, and it took even longer for KDE3!
How long did it take for Xfree 4.2 to appear on Debian unstable? How long did it take for KDE3 to appear on Debian unstable?
"Debian myth"? I don't think so.
What do you want from a "gaming environment"? I mean, from the benchmarks I have seen, Linux (and Xfree) compete well with Windows when it comes to performance, beating it in many cases. True, the selection of games is still limited, but that's not Xfree's fault.
Are you the resident Windows-fanboy or are you just on a crusade?
Software I'm using? Let's see... Linux was born in Finland, KDE is mainly an European effort. Qt-toolkit is from Norway. I'm running Galeon right now. I would guess it has some american roots in it, but usually I use Konqueror, which has it's roots in Europe. I'm also currently running VNC (born in the UK). A while ago I also used IRC (invented in Finland).
It seems that overwhelming majority of my most-used software is from outside the USA.
You mean USA is good for something other than breeding rednecks, hillbillies and anti-french sentiments?
It could be that there are no cheaper alternatives in the Netherlands. But if products are considerably cheaper in Finland, where just about everything costs an arm and a leg, I would say that the Dutch IT-retailers are collectively ripping you off.
Whoa! That IS expensive! Let me quote some prices:
256MB DDR266 CL2: 44e (could be had for 34e if you want generic brand)
Western Digital Caviar SE 120GB EIDE 8MB cache: 175e
These are the prices in Finland (more precisely, in www.verkkokauppa.com). So I think it's fair to say that you are getting ripped off.
To my knowledge, Linus uses KDE. He submitted a Konqueror-related bugreport to KDE, and the guy who handled the bug asked him that does he use KDE. His reply was along the lines "Yes, the antialiased fonts won me over". That was in KDE2-times.
Guns are not the end all be all solution to crime. I mean, according to you, your friends have been raped, even though carrying guns is legal (as your comments later showed). If guns are so effective at stopping crime, why do the criminals take the risk and rape, when their victims can be armed?
OTOH, guns are not carried around in Finland (although there are lots of guns here, mainly shotguns, rifles etc.), and rapes are not as common here. Of course they do take place, but they aren't as serious menace as it seems to be in your case. How can that be, even though the potential victims are not even armed here?
If guns are a good solution to crime, then countries where guns can be owned, carried and used more easily (like the USA) should be relatively crime-free, whereas Europe (for example), where gun-ownership and rights to use are more limited, should be filled with crime when compared to USA. But reality shows that it's exactly the opposite. why?
Yes, overclocking propably shortens the life-span of the CPU's. But then again, by the time the CPU's burn out due to overclocking, they would be obsolete regardless.
My Duron has been overclocked right from the start and it runs just fine. And I bet that I will be replacing it because it's just too slow (840Mhz Duron is pretty slow these days) instead of it burning out due to overclocking.