Exactly right - systemd isn't about desktop boot times at all, it is about servers and process management and supporting containerization (and managing using cgroups). See RedHat Atomic / OpenShift / Geard etc.
I agree that monitoring and re-spawning doesn't _need_ to be at OS level, but the cgroups type of stuff (resource limits, accounting, namespace isolation) really does.
Systemd is definitely about servers, lots and lots of servers delivering PAAS clouds, so no, traditional discrete server admins won't like it, but then they won't like PAAS either (if it really takes off) as it outsources / automates a large part of their job.
For me, for _typing_, anything less than a good solid desk and a proper keyboard with springs in (i.e. Model M or similar) is already inadequate, the chromebook keyboards I have seen look awful, and probably are given that the whole machine is less than twice the price of a proper keyboard (and probably about the same weight). Yes, the clamshell format is better for typing than a tablet, but both are a lot worse than a desktop. Tablets can also use fancy predictive or modal keyboards (swype et al) to swing the balance back.
Let's also not forget that these are kids, they have not grown up with real keyboards and then switched to touchscreen, they have grown up with touchscreens, they live by their overwhelmingly touchscreen phones, what is more comfortable and efficient for us old ones may not be for them.
> Plus when the lid closes the screen is protected, the iPad has to go into a sleeve of some sort for protection.
The kids' school iPads never come out of the (allegedly mil-spec) protective case, and I'd be a lot happier dropping one than any kind of laptop, closed or open.
As somebody who works in the IT Department at a large public school district, I find the inclusion of tablets (not just iPads, but any tablet) to be a bit of a headache. You can add all of the peripherals you want to a tablet, such as a bluetooth keyboard, etc., but it can not match the span of usability of an actual laptop. Likewise, accidents with tablets are a bit frustrating to deal with. The act of holding the device, by nature alone, causes the chance of damage to rise considerably, as opposed to a device that sits on a table and is used accordingly.
See this is where I think people go wrong - you are viewing a tablet as "can it replace a laptop" rather than "what can it do". I don't understand why schools even use laptops in the first place - the entire purpose of a laptop is to be portable (less so than a tablet), but you say they "sit on a table". In that case, a desktop is surely better in every way - more robust, more upgradeable, more ergonomic in terms of screen and keyboard positioning, etc. If on the other hand you are actually _using_ the portability (the raison d'etre of a laptop) then you have schoolkids carrying them around, and then bring on the breakages - unless you have the budget for the likes of ToughBooks.
Tablets on the other hand are straightforward to ruggedize with external cases (being essentially a cuboid slab with zero moving parts), and open up a lot of use cases you simply wouldn't even consider a laptop for. When my kids' school trialled them, the most interesting and perhaps the most compelling use cases they came out of it with were things I had not even considered, simply because I had always used some combination of desktops laptops and phone.
I work in a school. We've been through the whole "every pupil gets a computer" phase and it was a disaster - we used eeepcs running Xandros and initially there were complaints about how crummy the programs were. (IE people expected Office, but they got OpenOffice instead).
Then after a few days the breakages started - minibooks left in bags, being dropped, screens smashed, drinks spilt on them etc. So that meant that teachers couldn't rely on everyone having one any more and the whole point of them was lost. They stopped being used and we ended up getting about 30% of them back after the year was out,
I am astounded how many people still think it is a good idea to give non-ruggedized kit to school kids, it's as if they deliberately forget what it was like to be a kid.
Tablet form factor (and lack of moving parts) lends itself to ruggedization, and there are lots of case options available, laptops (or chromebooks etc.) with moving and spinning parts need to be built rugged so you want ToughBooks or similar - but then you've blown your budget by a mile.
My kid has a school iPad, it's locked into a case that claims to be mil-spec - I have my doubts, I don't think you could throw it in a puddle, drive over it and pick it up and use it afterwards like the old Husky Hunters (the military being somewhat like overgrown school-kids) but you can certainly splash drink on it or drop it down some stairs without problems. Their breakage rate after a year was about 1%, which is way better than professional developers manage with corporate laptops IME...
Like anything else - research properly before splashing cash.
Another anecdote is the school where my wife teaches are about to dump iPads in favour of a convertible laptop (Not decided on a Surface or a Transformer or which specific device, but it will run Windows and it will be a full laptop / tablet convertible), and the private school across the road already did last year and went with Asus Transformers.
The iPad is a shit device for learning.
The ASUS transformers are awesome little beasts, but they don't have the camera capability which seems to be a major use case for tablets at my kids' school. I'd also question if the surface "cover" or even the transformer are rugged enough for schoolkids on their own, and getting ruggedized cases that accommodate the convertible feature may be tricky. Tablets are relatively easy to ruggedize.
It is doomed, but that is not why. If MS chose to unlock it, you could rebuild native x86 apps for RT no problem - that's how they did Office. But MS didn't want to allow that, they wanted a go at the 30% of everything sold in the app store model - the fact that that failed is IMO good.
The real reason RT is doomed though is that it was built to give Intel a kick to get better performing low power x86 chips out (or alternatively to hedge their bets on mobile hardware platform). Since Bay Trail atoms came out there is just no reason to run Windows on an ARM tablet, and hence no need for the arbitrarily crippled RT.
They are going to take the ARM port and produce ARM server Windows I believe, which might actually make more sense (more limited set of software than desktops, more of it custom and hence rebuildable, and admins who won't be as confused as desktop users about requiring ARM or x86 binary). Again, it will be to hedge their platform best but also maybe to push Intel to more efficiency in server chips.
Problem is they aren't laptops, they are locked down limited devices like tablets, but without the portability (and camera etc.) benefits of a tablet - worst of all worlds really. Ok, so you get a sort-of proper keyboard, but you could add a keyboard (bluetooth or docked) to a tablet and get the same without losing the portability of the tablet to, say, get instant video feedback on your technique in athletics.
Presumably someone (or some people) has the job of validating the licences and that the dancers are indeed dancing, nude, and capable of providing entertainment to an acceptable standard in that category.
Probably that person/people don't want to lose that job... [which , when you look carefully enough, is the reason why government does 90% of what it does].
Nope - under ICAO, for air crashes, preliminary report is supposed to be within one month.
Plus, this was a test flight, and was probably instrumented to death - very likely they have full real time telemetry before they even need to go near recorders in the wreckage. Apparently they have cockpit video too - something the aviation industry has always resisted (at least the unions).
> Indeed, where you're wrong is thinking that's a BAD thing -that's exactly what we, as the humans, WANT.
yes, to a point.
Y Pestis was once much scarier than it is now, which is good news. Bad news is it killed 30-60% of population (in Europe at least) to get there.
Might be interesting to try and work out what 30% population loss does to the world economy - might depend which 30%, if it's all the old people it might not be too bad, if it's all the medics (likely)... If it knocks us right back to subsistence farming, how many more would we lose to starvation in 1st world ?
Yep, that's all true, but there are other options, possibly no less scary.
This virus is well established in humans now in this outbreak, whereas before it was mostly a zoonosis (caught from animals). Mutations will now be being selected by their efficacy in prospering in us, not in the original host(s).
Some scientists believe this is already happening, we know it is mutating and there is evidence that it is mutating to become more infectious, to us: http://www.businessinsider.in/...
If it is true that viral loads are coming up earlier and higher than before, then it could be shedding before symptoms. Wouldn't be entirely surprising - containing it through hazmat-after-symptoms will probably select for strains that infect before symptoms. That would screw up all our containment measures rather well. Even if it just accelerates symptoms it could get a lot harder to contain - if first symptoms are a fever _and_ the infected is monitoring and gets themselves straight into care, further infection can be limited, but if first symptoms are fever and projectile vomiting you have much more of a problem.
All that said, scariest thing to me is that this is an African zoonosis that hasn't been out of Africa before except in the lab. We have no idea what hosts it may find in the non-African animal population, should it get the opportunity. If it finds an easy first-world reservoir host (maybe it likes our bats, or our foxes, or our rats) then it will become endemic, rapidly. Endemic ebola (in the absence of vaccine or cure) will be a game changer for 1st world medicine - think about every fever case to be isolated and treated using hazmat until tested negative (probably twice X days apart). Africa's health system, such as it is, is already feeling that pain - Ebola may well kill (already) more people via malaria than it does directly: http://www.reuters.com/article...
Thomas Duncan, the ebola patient, wasn't sent home because as you put it, "poor Nigger, not gonna pay his bills." He was misdiagnosed. That isn't hard to understand. It isn't hard to get right.
From WSJ: “Princess Duo, a niece of Ms. Troh who lives in Dallas and spoke with her following the ER visit, said Ms. Troh recounted being specific in the information she gave nurses that night. “They asked him for ID, and whether he had insurance. And she told them he did not because he had just come from Liberia,” Ms. Duo said."
Sure he was "misdiagnosed" (or more realistically, not diagnosed, unless you have information as to what he was positively diagnosed with) , but only because they did not take the travel history properly or act on it.
Nigeria overall has less resources than US, sure, but compare the what they actually did and the resources they actually _used_.
First, in Nigeria patient zero hit a good observant doctor with a clue, and instead of being sent home with antibiotics, was kept in hospital and restrained to prevent him leaving - all (I believe) before any official quarantine order or similar. The doctor that did that paid with her life. That action probably prevented an epidemic across Lagos, nothing to do with amount of resources and everything to do with one doctor being on the ball and prepared to fight the system to do the right thing.
The official response included tracing close to 1000 primary and secondary contacts, 18,500 personal visits and 100s in isolation / quarantine. They had emergency presidential decrees, overriding the rights people would normally have (probably a lot less than in the US to start with) and extensive use of law enforcement agencies. Widespread advertising campaigns, banning shaking hands, kissing etc., Changing holy communion practices in churches. Closure of _all_ schools.
The US doesn't appear to have done anything like that, despite its greater resources. Maybe Nigeria over-reacted, maybe US under-reacted and got lucky.
It is because women are smarter than men, and are making more informed career choices.
Back in the days of punched cards and computers the size of a whole data centre now, and memory that didn't got away when the power went off (yeah, I know, that one's come around again now), programming was a 9-5 family friendly (as much as any job was) day job. Programmers and operators were often women (my mother was one), if not mostly women - seriously, just do a google images search for "mainframe operator 1960s" (just for one example), those images reflect the number of women working with computers that you'll see in printed material from that era too.
Somewhere around the 80's - 90's with the personal computer revolution, and gaming, and continuing with the dotcom boom, programming turned into an aggressive deadline-driven first-to-market ship-it-yesterday career, with a long-hours work-till-it's-done culture that spread from startups out to entire parts of the industry (see gaming...). And the women stopped coming.
To pick a couple of other industries / careers I have some (UK based) knowledge of: in roughly the same time scale, in medical and veterinary, professionals went from being on-call all-hours (junior doctors infamously worked a standard 120hr week) to having out-of-hours contracted out and on-call hours counted into the limits under EU working time directive. Every programming job I've had has required me to opt out of the working time directive, but doctors don't. Now take a guess on two professional careers in the UK which are (or soon will be) majority female... medical (doctors) and veterinary. That is where all the smart women went, and if you want to know why just look at the culture changes in those professions and in programming.
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Exactly right - systemd isn't about desktop boot times at all, it is about servers and process management and supporting containerization (and managing using cgroups). See RedHat Atomic / OpenShift / Geard etc.
I agree that monitoring and re-spawning doesn't _need_ to be at OS level, but the cgroups type of stuff (resource limits, accounting, namespace isolation) really does.
Systemd is definitely about servers, lots and lots of servers delivering PAAS clouds, so no, traditional discrete server admins won't like it, but then they won't like PAAS either (if it really takes off) as it outsources / automates a large part of their job.
For me, for _typing_, anything less than a good solid desk and a proper keyboard with springs in (i.e. Model M or similar) is already inadequate, the chromebook keyboards I have seen look awful, and probably are given that the whole machine is less than twice the price of a proper keyboard (and probably about the same weight). Yes, the clamshell format is better for typing than a tablet, but both are a lot worse than a desktop. Tablets can also use fancy predictive or modal keyboards (swype et al) to swing the balance back.
Let's also not forget that these are kids, they have not grown up with real keyboards and then switched to touchscreen, they have grown up with touchscreens, they live by their overwhelmingly touchscreen phones, what is more comfortable and efficient for us old ones may not be for them.
> Plus when the lid closes the screen is protected, the iPad has to go into a sleeve of some sort for protection.
The kids' school iPads never come out of the (allegedly mil-spec) protective case, and I'd be a lot happier dropping one than any kind of laptop, closed or open.
As somebody who works in the IT Department at a large public school district, I find the inclusion of tablets (not just iPads, but any tablet) to be a bit of a headache. You can add all of the peripherals you want to a tablet, such as a bluetooth keyboard, etc., but it can not match the span of usability of an actual laptop. Likewise, accidents with tablets are a bit frustrating to deal with. The act of holding the device, by nature alone, causes the chance of damage to rise considerably, as opposed to a device that sits on a table and is used accordingly.
See this is where I think people go wrong - you are viewing a tablet as "can it replace a laptop" rather than "what can it do". I don't understand why schools even use laptops in the first place - the entire purpose of a laptop is to be portable (less so than a tablet), but you say they "sit on a table". In that case, a desktop is surely better in every way - more robust, more upgradeable, more ergonomic in terms of screen and keyboard positioning, etc. If on the other hand you are actually _using_ the portability (the raison d'etre of a laptop) then you have schoolkids carrying them around, and then bring on the breakages - unless you have the budget for the likes of ToughBooks.
Tablets on the other hand are straightforward to ruggedize with external cases (being essentially a cuboid slab with zero moving parts), and open up a lot of use cases you simply wouldn't even consider a laptop for. When my kids' school trialled them, the most interesting and perhaps the most compelling use cases they came out of it with were things I had not even considered, simply because I had always used some combination of desktops laptops and phone.
Notepad++, full screen mode, portrait if you have it, or landscape with multiple tabs side by side.
I work in a school. We've been through the whole "every pupil gets a computer" phase and it was a disaster - we used eeepcs running Xandros and initially there were complaints about how crummy the programs were. (IE people expected Office, but they got OpenOffice instead).
Then after a few days the breakages started - minibooks left in bags, being dropped, screens smashed, drinks spilt on them etc. So that meant that teachers couldn't rely on everyone having one any more and the whole point of them was lost. They stopped being used and we ended up getting about 30% of them back after the year was out,
I am astounded how many people still think it is a good idea to give non-ruggedized kit to school kids, it's as if they deliberately forget what it was like to be a kid.
Tablet form factor (and lack of moving parts) lends itself to ruggedization, and there are lots of case options available, laptops (or chromebooks etc.) with moving and spinning parts need to be built rugged so you want ToughBooks or similar - but then you've blown your budget by a mile.
My kid has a school iPad, it's locked into a case that claims to be mil-spec - I have my doubts, I don't think you could throw it in a puddle, drive over it and pick it up and use it afterwards like the old Husky Hunters (the military being somewhat like overgrown school-kids) but you can certainly splash drink on it or drop it down some stairs without problems. Their breakage rate after a year was about 1%, which is way better than professional developers manage with corporate laptops IME...
Like anything else - research properly before splashing cash.
Another anecdote is the school where my wife teaches are about to dump iPads in favour of a convertible laptop (Not decided on a Surface or a Transformer or which specific device, but it will run Windows and it will be a full laptop / tablet convertible), and the private school across the road already did last year and went with Asus Transformers.
The iPad is a shit device for learning.
The ASUS transformers are awesome little beasts, but they don't have the camera capability which seems to be a major use case for tablets at my kids' school. I'd also question if the surface "cover" or even the transformer are rugged enough for schoolkids on their own, and getting ruggedized cases that accommodate the convertible feature may be tricky. Tablets are relatively easy to ruggedize.
It is doomed, but that is not why. If MS chose to unlock it, you could rebuild native x86 apps for RT no problem - that's how they did Office. But MS didn't want to allow that, they wanted a go at the 30% of everything sold in the app store model - the fact that that failed is IMO good.
The real reason RT is doomed though is that it was built to give Intel a kick to get better performing low power x86 chips out (or alternatively to hedge their bets on mobile hardware platform). Since Bay Trail atoms came out there is just no reason to run Windows on an ARM tablet, and hence no need for the arbitrarily crippled RT.
They are going to take the ARM port and produce ARM server Windows I believe, which might actually make more sense (more limited set of software than desktops, more of it custom and hence rebuildable, and admins who won't be as confused as desktop users about requiring ARM or x86 binary). Again, it will be to hedge their platform best but also maybe to push Intel to more efficiency in server chips.
Problem is they aren't laptops, they are locked down limited devices like tablets, but without the portability (and camera etc.) benefits of a tablet - worst of all worlds really. Ok, so you get a sort-of proper keyboard, but you could add a keyboard (bluetooth or docked) to a tablet and get the same without losing the portability of the tablet to, say, get instant video feedback on your technique in athletics.
Presumably someone (or some people) has the job of validating the licences and that the dancers are indeed dancing, nude, and capable of providing entertainment to an acceptable standard in that category.
Probably that person/people don't want to lose that job... [which , when you look carefully enough, is the reason why government does 90% of what it does].
Nor OpenBSD - maybe Theo told them nicely that they didn't need it :-)
Nope - under ICAO, for air crashes, preliminary report is supposed to be within one month.
Plus, this was a test flight, and was probably instrumented to death - very likely they have full real time telemetry before they even need to go near recorders in the wreckage. Apparently they have cockpit video too - something the aviation industry has always resisted (at least the unions).
C:\> shutdown /t 1
Just like before
he also made it clear that we had to vote for a lizard, otherwise the wrong lizard might get in...
Except bad and good are entirely subjective terms.
They aren't to me...
Have you compared the size of a pig and a glow worm ?
I think a glow worm would be pretty well fucked if a pig stood on it...
*woosh*
> Indeed, where you're wrong is thinking that's a BAD thing -that's exactly what we, as the humans, WANT.
yes, to a point.
Y Pestis was once much scarier than it is now, which is good news.
Bad news is it killed 30-60% of population (in Europe at least) to get there.
Might be interesting to try and work out what 30% population loss does to the world economy - might depend which 30%, if it's all the old people it might not be too bad, if it's all the medics (likely)... If it knocks us right back to subsistence farming, how many more would we lose to starvation in 1st world ?
Yep, that's all true, but there are other options, possibly no less scary.
This virus is well established in humans now in this outbreak, whereas before it was mostly a zoonosis (caught from animals). Mutations will now be being selected by their efficacy in prospering in us, not in the original host(s).
Some scientists believe this is already happening, we know it is mutating and there is evidence that it is mutating to become more infectious, to us: http://www.businessinsider.in/...
If it is true that viral loads are coming up earlier and higher than before, then it could be shedding before symptoms. Wouldn't be entirely surprising - containing it through hazmat-after-symptoms will probably select for strains that infect before symptoms. That would screw up all our containment measures rather well. Even if it just accelerates symptoms it could get a lot harder to contain - if first symptoms are a fever _and_ the infected is monitoring and gets themselves straight into care, further infection can be limited, but if first symptoms are fever and projectile vomiting you have much more of a problem.
All that said, scariest thing to me is that this is an African zoonosis that hasn't been out of Africa before except in the lab. We have no idea what hosts it may find in the non-African animal population, should it get the opportunity. If it finds an easy first-world reservoir host (maybe it likes our bats, or our foxes, or our rats) then it will become endemic, rapidly. Endemic ebola (in the absence of vaccine or cure) will be a game changer for 1st world medicine - think about every fever case to be isolated and treated using hazmat until tested negative (probably twice X days apart). Africa's health system, such as it is, is already feeling that pain - Ebola may well kill (already) more people via malaria than it does directly: http://www.reuters.com/article...
It's: Project who must not be named.
[probably Bash :-)]
Thomas Duncan, the ebola patient, wasn't sent home because as you put it, "poor Nigger, not gonna pay his bills." He was misdiagnosed. That isn't hard to understand. It isn't hard to get right.
Timeline details missteps with Ebola patient who died
From WSJ: “Princess Duo, a niece of Ms. Troh who lives in Dallas and spoke with her following the ER visit, said Ms. Troh recounted being specific in the information she gave nurses that night. “They asked him for ID, and whether he had insurance. And she told them he did not because he had just come from Liberia,” Ms. Duo said."
Sure he was "misdiagnosed" (or more realistically, not diagnosed, unless you have information as to what he was positively diagnosed with) , but only because they did not take the travel history properly or act on it.
Nigeria overall has less resources than US, sure, but compare the what they actually did and the resources they actually _used_.
First, in Nigeria patient zero hit a good observant doctor with a clue, and instead of being sent home with antibiotics, was kept in hospital and restrained to prevent him leaving - all (I believe) before any official quarantine order or similar. The doctor that did that paid with her life. That action probably prevented an epidemic across Lagos, nothing to do with amount of resources and everything to do with one doctor being on the ball and prepared to fight the system to do the right thing.
The official response included tracing close to 1000 primary and secondary contacts, 18,500 personal visits and 100s in isolation / quarantine. They had emergency presidential decrees, overriding the rights people would normally have (probably a lot less than in the US to start with) and extensive use of law enforcement agencies. Widespread advertising campaigns, banning shaking hands, kissing etc., Changing holy communion practices in churches. Closure of _all_ schools.
The US doesn't appear to have done anything like that, despite its greater resources. Maybe Nigeria over-reacted, maybe US under-reacted and got lucky.
When he needed more time to post to /. ?
It is because women are smarter than men, and are making more informed career choices.
Back in the days of punched cards and computers the size of a whole data centre now, and memory that didn't got away when the power went off (yeah, I know, that one's come around again now), programming was a 9-5 family friendly (as much as any job was) day job. Programmers and operators were often women (my mother was one), if not mostly women - seriously, just do a google images search for "mainframe operator 1960s" (just for one example), those images reflect the number of women working with computers that you'll see in printed material from that era too.
Somewhere around the 80's - 90's with the personal computer revolution, and gaming, and continuing with the dotcom boom, programming turned into an aggressive deadline-driven first-to-market ship-it-yesterday career, with a long-hours work-till-it's-done culture that spread from startups out to entire parts of the industry (see gaming...). And the women stopped coming.
To pick a couple of other industries / careers I have some (UK based) knowledge of: in roughly the same time scale, in medical and veterinary, professionals went from being on-call all-hours (junior doctors infamously worked a standard 120hr week) to having out-of-hours contracted out and on-call hours counted into the limits under EU working time directive. Every programming job I've had has required me to opt out of the working time directive, but doctors don't. Now take a guess on two professional careers in the UK which are (or soon will be) majority female... medical (doctors) and veterinary. That is where all the smart women went, and if you want to know why just look at the culture changes in those professions and in programming.
least you had rocks. You have no idea how hard it was to get the women back to the cave when all you had to hit em over the head with was grass...
If hyperbole is your argument, you have no argument.
Hyperbole ? We didn't have hyperbole, we were lucky to get kilobole let alone megabole.
Oh yeah, get off my lawn.