Methinks they have tied filtering in with a search bot and are dropping in to party with us.:-P
I've never seen so many trolls. You can tell which trolls are Mickeysoft and which ones are real/. users just logged in as AC. The/. trolls generally can put a sarcastic twist on a message, and generally know what they are talking about. The other folks think "computer literacy" is guessing which menu Microsoft has hidden the "Preferences" under (duh.. File? Edit? Options? cough... sputter.. VIEW??)
Anyone have the URL of that hacked ("cracked?") German WWII poster where they superimposed Bill Gates face on? Windows deleted it (really - crashed while resizing...)
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>Apple does not differnt from microsoft, only they have less power.
I would infer then by your logic, ALL companies are like Microsoft, no?
Or would you provide some sort of post-Next/Steve example of Apple really being bastards? Please, only post Steve Jobs examples (when I bailed from Windows). I'm sure if they are as bad as you say you could still come up with awefule examples in the 2.5 year timeframe I limited you to.
>>"They [Apple] are not out to steal products from other companies, annex the internet, or publically humiliate and ruthlessly crush "insubordinate" software companies like they have done to Netscape, Citrix, Spyglass and Stak."
>Wait for them to get back into the power ring, we shall see how benevolent apple really is. Another Microsoft, and we have always known it to.
Oh, great logic here. Shall I even waste my time making you look like an idiot? Why not, it's almost lunchtime.
Who are the collective "we" you refer to? All of Slashdot??
How is Apple, in your predicted future, going to become like Microsoft? Please provide both future and past examples of really bastard-like Apple activities.
Of course, I could be incorrect in assuming you are singleing out Apple. Maybe you are a complete moron and believe ALL COMPANIES are just like Microsoft... just give them the chance to get there, right?
Apple is and will ALWAYS BE the underdog, and as a Mac fan with years of experience on other platforms I can say this is the way things should be. NO one should control the market, and only by pitting ideas against each other on a level playing field will the best idea win.
I do not consider Microsoft OR Apple to be a "standard" since MY definition of standard is a "documented way of doing things", and both Win and Mac are closed platforms. The difference to me is Apple competes somewhat fairly, while Microsoft uses your Windows money to destroy competition using means other than competing fairly. "Oh, it says here Mr. Gameway and Mr. Dwell you once bundled a non-Microsoft Office suite. that'll be an extra $20 per Windows license please."
Ever hear of Aimtech Jamba? It's a cool product I once supported/QA'd. MS asked to buy Jamba, but we wouldn't seperate the product from our company (it was a hit, buy us completely...). Well, to make a long stort short Microsoft bought DimensionX, a direct Aimtech competitor, and now gives the product away free (how DOES Microsoft afford such things? Hmmm???). You read between the lines.
Safe to say Jamba is a dead product now; I am elsewhere and much happier, but I'll always sympathize with anyone with the guts to challenge Microsoft.
So there!:)
Rather unfortunate (codecs)...
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Yes, it's rather unfortunate Apple has, IF the news I read is correct, has locked some codec vendors into QuickTime exclusivity.
The LEAST Apple could do is offer a version of QuickTime for Linux. This may offend the free software people, but hey, this is the reality of the non-linear video world. The possibility of more platforms becoming supported is a real one... someone should start a QuickTime for Linux petition, that is IF there is any interest..
Do any Linux apps support external codecs?? I thought all the Linux players had hard-coded support. This is a huge obstacle to getting any kind of real CODEC support for Linux.
:-(
Apple vs. MS/HP lawsuit BZZZZT!! Intel, Open???
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Um, I don't think Apple tried to patent the graphical UI, unlike some OTHER company I can think of which now owns electronic style sheets (THERE'S audacity!).
Apple did fight to protect its product against copying. If you think software deserves any protection, just HOW MUCH can you copy the GUI of a product before you've crossed the line? If you don't think there is a line, please state so. BTW, I was an Atari ST user at the time, and was extremely annoyed at Apple for bullying Atari/Digital into making changes to GEM OS. In the end though, Apple was not demanding the end of GEM, just that they not copy so closely. Over time, your protection decreases as we have seen. Apple had every right to protect their R&D from wholesale copying by Microsoft, and that does not mean MS was not allowed to create THEIR OWN graphical user interface that did not look and feel so much like the MacOS.
Yeah, and Intel is "open".. Bzzzt!! How can you say that? If as you put it the specs are public, so explain to me again why there are no non-Intel upgrades for Slot One? When you are done, please follow up with your analysis of Intergraph vs. Intel, Motorola vs. Intel, and DOJ vs. Intel. I'll be waiting here, not cloaked behind AC.
AMD and Cyrix are nothing but reverse-engineering efforts, and with Merced coming out what do you think will happen to AMD and Cyrix? What, you were not aware Intel is not inviting AMD to that party? Intel has learned cloning of their CPU's led to the $200 chip - they WILL NOT let that happen again. Merced will be as closed if not more as the G3. (The G3 isn't really closed anyways, you can buy them from IBM or Mot... in quantity though:(
Sleepy PS - The "Linux" in my statement refers to x86 version that replaced Win95, not LinuxPPC. We can all be Microsoft free depending on what we use, I suppose, but until there are Linux versions of QuickTime, PhotoShop (tried GIMP..), After Effects and Infini-D AND drag-and-drop works between these apps, Linux won't do it for me. I've tried WINE also and it's not even close to running Windows versions of these apps. OTOH, there's progress on SheepShaver/PPC which I am following closely...
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Come on... give them a break!
I sincerely hope you didn't type your post from a Windows box, either. Would be rather ironic, wouldn't it?
Apple is closed, and closed is bad, but "closed" is not the be all end all. Being closed is a BUG that Apple must fix, and an incremental fix is OK *for now*. Let them hear our dissatisfaction and constructive criticism and they will change. Apple IS listening to criticism, and moving onto a UNIX core, licensing OpenGL (woo-hoo!), agressively courting developers especially GAMES and low-cost systems based on THIS YEARS technology (not last-years discontinued Pecker-Bell computers) is all part of their recovery. Killing Newton and the clones were also painful steps needed for profitability.
Personally, I'd like to see them open everything, fix things that are wrong with Linux, but that won't happen for a while. Apple differs from Microsoft in one important way: they just want to make cool stuf and a few bucks at it. They are not out to steal products from other companies, annex the internet, or publically humiliate and ruthlessly crush "insubordinate" software companies like they have done to Netscape, Citrix, Spyglass and Stak.
Sleepy 100% Microsoft Free thanks to my G3 Mac and GNU/Linux
A bit disappointed with ASPL as well...
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I suppose this might help people who want to write drivers (and don't mind giving copyright away to Apple). The termination clause REALLY SUCKS.
Anyone who calls this "open source" just doesn't get it, or is one of the suits who gets it but doesn't care. I don't agree with everything RMS says, but he is right-on here!
Sleepy (an otherwise fan of Apple, who wishes they would REALLY go open source. The G3 hardware is *awesome*. )
Don't discount Microsoft's "efforts". They can affort to make a LOT of costly mistakes because they have a lock on the OS market and Office applications. Microsoft could EASILY sell Office below cost, at $0.00, with the intention of raising prices later (or maybe make it "part of the OS" for their OWN Linux distro) [shudder].
And my definition of FUD includes strategic vaporware, since this is a well-used tactic by Microsoft. "Want to frighten a cutting-edge software company into giving you their patents?" Announce Hydra! Look up the MS vs. Citrix story -- these guys came up with thin clients which could get their own desktops on an NT server (really their own desktops... like the stuff found on most UNIXen).
Unfortunately, Citrix did not have a lot of capital and so paid their employees in stock options. When Microsoft announced they would build this technology into a version of NT, the Citrix employees revolted against management, since their "pay" became increasingly worthless as Citrix's valuation plummeted against the MS' threats. Eventually Citrix reached a deal where they divided the market with MS.
What's this have to do with MS Office for Linux? It could be FUD designed to scare away investors from those currently writing "office suites" for Linux. This is why we need open sourced office suites -- this is too important a communications mode to let some company whore us out at whim.
Microsoft using XML announcement is FUD, just like the declarations of ActiveX becoming an "open standard" (remember THAT one, last year?).
If Microsoft documents their file formats using XML, but XML is merely wapper glue between OLE objects, that's not "XML format" to me.
Although, the average reporter at c|net or ZDNet will not catch the distinction (not all of them are like this, but they do seem to have a difficult time attracting and retaining real "techies" who know how to write).
Hey, if they DO put out a version for Linux, enough people will get their product that they won't QUESTION why Microsoft does not publish their file formats.
Can you imagine if we had this format mess with other mediums of communication, like the telephone, or email?
I will retract MANY bad things I say about microsoft (but not all..:) if they just level the playing field. They STILL have the biggest wallet, but play on a level field. Until they do, I will cheer anyone who finds ways to hurt Microsoft.
The problem is if Microsoft collapses HARD, like say how Apple collapsed between 1995 and early 98, Microsoft will take down all the other stocks with them.
And Microsoft crashing that hard IS possible. Just keep supporting open/free software, and make animal sacrifices for the excellent work being done for WINE. It'll fall into place, and then the only thing remaining is CLEANING UP Linux and making it "user friendly" (no, not killing or hiding the shell as the press sometimes opines, I mean updating obsolete man and info pages, application interoperability, and KDE merging with Gnome).
Actually, yes I have developed film. Of course that was summer camp 15 years ago...:-D
I agree developing qualifies for Nerdness (tm). I regret implying otherwise (hey, I was talking about the percieved "anti-digital").
Now one thing everyone seems to have overlooked is this is jst a PREVIEW. I heard they will consider ALL-DIGITAL for the second movie, but for the first we're just seeing a trial run.
Based on that information I don't see why the flat-earthers are getting all worked up like hysterical women in a B horror movie.
They're going to show THIS movie in the same stick-floor cinemas we are used to.
Offtopic, but yes you are very correct about PowerPC being very overclockable. As soon as I feel my new G3/300 has been "burned in", say in 3 months, I'll be attempting 350 then 400MHz with it.
With PPC, your success at overclocking is more likely to depend on the quality/tolerances of your cache RAM than what the processor might be capable of. Overclocked PPC's DO NOT overheat when clocked up 1 or 2 steps.
MacIntouch did a Review of an aftermarket G3 upgrade, using the new IBM 450 MHz chips. The user clocked it up to 560 MHz with no stability problems, and it ran at a relatively cool 35C/95F. The story is here: http://www1.macintouch.com/g3zif466.html
To me, this is like tuning your car. No laws PREVENT a crime, but there are laws on the books against fraud. If a parts shop sells you a motor that is dangerously overbored and misrepresents it as a higher volume engine.. that is plain fraud, and auto consumers shouldn't all have to pay extra so they build in some kind of protection against overboring.
It's just life. People think they are saving money when buying cheep pee-cees from fly-by-night show vendors who won't be around half as long as their promised warranty.
You'll end up paying more anyways, as Intel had to draw resources from somewhere to pay for this.
As for privacy, the Net is like TV, and like it or not WILL replace TV. We have enough censorship here in the States without a big brother [the government OR Microsoft... take your pick] indexing what we watch, don't want, and studying what was on the screen the moment we changed programming.
Thank you for one of the few signals amongst the noise. I'm surprised a "news for nerds" site would harbor so much anti-digital resentment.
I work in a software house which makes software to be used in digital film production. I can't say more because I'm under NDA until the NAB show in Las vegas (plus, marketing is not my area of expertise:).
IMHO film is *dead* in the same way NTSC is dead - the old technology has been pushed as far as it can go and digital is almost ready for prime-time. This will be argued for years, but we've already seen digital take over audio (the CD, although they CD doesn't have quite the freq range of an LP...) and digital video cameras with [Apple] Firewire ports are becoming mainstream.
This is NOT 1280x1024! 4k resolution is the minimum, and 64-bit color is sweet. This can scale up for larger screens, and does NOT have to be projected -- 120 degree concave screens anyone? (years away of course..). Quality is fantastic I hear and unlike film will improve quickly.
Lastly, the BIGGEST reason for a studio to push digital... DISTRIBUTION. This opens the doors for a coordinated worldwide release, instead of US only releases and when sales curve off, shipping the reels overseas. This also lessens the effect of piracy -- there's less demand for bootleg showings of something everyone has already seen. The release delay or innaccessability of a hit film overseas is more than enough encouragement for some to pirate...
I'll miss film dropouts and dead moths like I will miss record pops and static electricity...
I've loved CIV since 3000 BC... playing it on my Atari ST and then DOS. It's an honor to be testing the latest version, which will be the among first commercial game for GNU/Linux.
In case you're still unable to get a clue, it's the same reason Red Hat and Debian have "official" releases - so you get everything at once. In this case, Be simply doesn't want the OpenGL libraries out there (who knows? Maybe they aren't fully tested yet).
Yeah, sure... Be is fully tested... which is why they sell "betas".
By the way... when Red Hat's not ready to release a distro I think you can get just about EVERYTHING yourself from various servers. You're not tied to RH - they could go under and disappear and you'd still be able to get everything you want/need.
Additionally, there's no need to wait for a new Red Hat, unless you don't want to or don't have time to do it yourself, you idiot.
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This is a new low for slashdot. More crap like this and I'll exercise my right to block banner ads..
OTOH IS a rather amusing site... but only worth a 'quickie' IMO.
Two ironic things here: The first time I opened the page, Netscape for Linux crashed when Java initialized. kill? kill -9...
Second is I bought an Apple G3/300 today, and it did NOT crash when I opened the page.
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Gee, anyone remember Microsoft's "commitment" to pure Java?
another almost laughable one: Microsoft's commitment to open web standards!
bah hah hah First - they dynamically allocate less download bandwidth for Netscape browsers, so when I want drivers I get them at 2 kb per second on a T3. I've proven this by instantiating an IE download of the same URL on the same computer, where IE "somehow" downloaded the same file FOURTY-SEVEN TIMES FASTER. Hmm..
Second - They block non-Microsoft web browsers from critical parts of their web site. Want information on Microsoft's year 2000 bugs.. well, they refuse to show you if you use Netscape or Opera. Want to complain about it on the Feedback page? You're also blocked. Those Microsofties are such Klever D00dz
Third - A patent on style sheets? I think I remember using them in Quark *years* ago, before Microsoft (or at least that clueless putz BillG) had even HEARD of "the Internet".
Fourth - Anyone ever try to take Microsoft documents across platforms? The #1 reason I cannot choose a Mac for my personal/email workstation is because people know firsthand how committed to Quality Assurance. They leave bugs and incompatabilities in the product so there's always a reason not to stray from Windows, or if you're on a Mac, a reason for your boss or IT to apply pressure for you to switch.
Fifth - What a GREAT way to FUD Corel. Corel stock is looking better these days, but what better way to kick these people in the balls by spreading rumors of Office for Linux. They don't even have to RELEASE anything... just vaporware it.
ready Jerry Pournole's (I know it's spelled incorrectly) new column in BYTE. UNIX should be slim and trim, but it CAN do things cheaply like load help files from within the program. Yes a unix user knows ho to switch between background and foreground I know I know... that's not my point.
How many Linux manpages have been neglected, or tell you to instead consult the infopage or readme instead. RTFM is not a problem for me but it's annoying to be forwarded to yet another doc (with no "link" in the doc to make it automatic). And if you REALLY want to understand the help, you'll have an xterm open to EACH documentation resource.
Microsoft was onto something when they copied the Mac.
I keep hearing these wonderful things the LinuxPPC group is doing. They really are doing excellent work, considering as a non-x86 Linux distro they are "swimming AGAINST the tide".
I'd love to see Motorolla/IBM sell PowerPC components. Unfortunately the market is against this, since a manufacturer won't piddle about with small orders. Motorolla isn't even sure if they want to fight Intel anymore, since Wintel is a solid duopoly. It seems like Mot is drifting towards DSP/"embedded" territory, which is probably why we keep hearing rumors of an eventual MacOS on Merced chip. Merced has the potential to help Apple, since their big disadvantage has always been 'to run MacOS you need different hardware'... and most people are reluctant to switch hardware platforms EVEN if they regret their initial choice.
Maybe the PPC Linux group, being a larger entitity than a few of us here, can secure some hardware for resale. I'm buying a G3 this summer, but I'll also buy a more generic G3 system for Linux if I can ever find one.
I'd love to see G3's take on the market. I want a new Mac, networked to a generic Linux box. If I can get a G3 Linux box I will be much happier, but I don't want to waste a more expensive Apple system on my Linux server. (troll bait here...)
MacOS X should be a great thing for competition. Yes, it's a "closed UNIX" like Solaris, but ANY version of UNIX is a hundred times more open than NT! Methinks someday Apple will take advantage of Linux and sell turnkey Linux systems. If Linux *really* catches on they will have an easier time adapting BSD/MacOS-X to Linux than Microsoft (who won't even have a product ready for UNIX, never mind their dead OS:)
Your "typical" Mac user is not going to be any more out of water than a Windows user, given a Linux CD.
Linux is more prevailent on x86 not only because there are simply more x86 systems... but also because a number of wintel users are simply not satisfied with their environment. One COULD argue that had Appple won the desktop wars Linux would not be what it is today... necessity fuels innovation. (Necessity being defined as needing something "different" in a very general sense... not needing GNU, needing command-line, etc.)
When I get a Mac to replace the one I sold off (sniff!) it's getting Linux. There's a lot of hacker types on the mac side as well.. they're not graduates from the America Online School Of Computer Illiteracy. When I had my Mac I loved running BeOS. I only wish SheepShaver evisted at the time, so I could run MacOS apps from within a be environment.
Of course, today OS X went GM so you'll get UNIX + MacOS all in one..
Macintouch.com has a story of the new 460 MHz PowerPC chips from IBM, and how some users are overclocking these babies all the wauy to ** 550 MHz ** and they still don't overheat. I think beyond that, the cache RAM becomes unstable, but heat isn't as much an issue as it is with poorlydesigned Intel chips...
Oops, you're right on one point -- I did acknowledge the Mac SMP problem" at first but lost it when I shortened my post. I stand corrected. I don't see where you're ass-u-me ing my response was wounded pride however - I don't have a Mac, but I ALSO loathe misguided pro-Microsoft evangelism & FUD, and stating NT magically distributes application load over CPU's is just bullshit.
Never mind the fact that since Pentium II CPU's do not easily scale beyond 2 processors, I'm stuck with just 2 CPU's when I could do more with 4.
I have a dual processor NT box here and VERY FEW Windows applications use both processors. Unless the Win32 app is written to take advantage of multiple processors or threads, then the app will sit on a single CPU be it MacOS OR WinNT.
Apps like PhotoShop are heavily threaded and support multiple processors on either OS. I've seen Adobe products scream on a 4-CPU DayStar MacOS machine..
Here's what I know on the subject, if this helps anyone: MacOS apps may use the SML-enabling extensions licensed by Apple from Daystar, but these are not very stable and are cumbersome to program (so I have been told!). Mac OS X fixes that at the OS level -- if the app is recompiled using Carbon API's. The last remaining issue is G3 CPU's do not SMP very well, and when you have 2 or more processors running in paralell they will invalidate the other's cache, which kills responsiveness. This limitation CAN be worked around, as we've seen the press releases from PowerPC Linux and the Amiga folks who are pursuing 4-way G3 solutions (it can work but it is a hack). SMP existed in the 604e and will return again in the G4. I think the G4 CPU's will also support multiple cores in a single chip also (!!).
>Macintrashes require distinct applications for SMP systems (because the OS is SMP-impaired).
Sure, Bill, whatever. Divide and conquor the Anything But Microsoft crowd, right? And HOW bad did NT keep crashing for Adobe at Seybold, where they had to do all the demos on MacOS instead of 50-50 as was planned?
... and what EXACTLY does Windows NT do with applications that are not "distinct for SMP systems", as you put it?
Not a heck of a lot. I'm sitting on an Intergraph GT1 with 2 Pentium2 400's, running Windows NT.
Few apps ever uses more than "50% of the CPU pool", or a single processor. You are saying just put any app on an NT box and the OS will magically distribute the load, eh?
Oh, PhotoShop does use both CPU's... must be written that way.;-)
>NT or Linux... doesn't matter - any app that'll run on a one proc machine should run on an n-proc machine.
Um... really? You are genius. Sweeping generalizations, Microsoft style... PURE FUD.
Oh, and NT also does not feature power management... ever take an NT laptop on a plane? Better carry another battery unless you're using a Mac or Windoze 9x
Color calibration for NT? Nope...
Multiple display support for NT? SORT OF if you don't mind the fact that the cards have to be the same chipset? Oh, also with NT you can't have different resolutions running in each monitor (very useful if you are proofing an app or webpage for different resolutions. Oh, and how the NT OS automatically sticks all dialog boxes in-between both monitors, instead of nicely centering in the default monitor
Scripability in NT? there's nothing even remotely like AppleScript, needed for automation and piping data from one application to another. Sure, WindowsNT has OLE which is not scripting, and requires [cough, cough] purchasing more Microsoft tools. Unless you want to count CMD.EXE... a GREAT environment for scripting in NT (not). That'll be gone too in the next version of Windoze and you'll have to buy VB Lite to build little programs that "list a directory and then print the list" which you still can't do in Explorer.
Don't be an ass. There's huge shortcomings to all OS's out there. MacOS X Server takes a big leap forward with a UNIX-based OS, and every few months Linux is getting better, while only Windows is lowering its quality and becoming more closed an environment...
First of all, you make us all look bad. My opinion is most people are upset their license prevents you from linking to "other" CD databases. Not that anything else is even close to cddb.
Second, you could get yourself into legal trouble. Threats won't sway ANYONE.
Thirdly, supposing the above were not true, would you be willing to "clean up" CDDB's database which you took part in breaking? I thought not...
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... you don't HAVE to use GTK themes... :-D
Choice is good. It's my favorite thing about X windows... apps are not tied to the window manager or desktop...
Theming eats up RAM though. I'll stay away till I get more memory for the old PC..
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Methinks they have tied filtering in with a search bot and are dropping in to party with us. :-P
/. users just logged in as AC. The /. trolls generally can put a sarcastic twist on a message, and generally know what they are talking about.
I've never seen so many trolls. You can tell which trolls are Mickeysoft and which ones are real
The other folks think "computer literacy" is guessing which menu Microsoft has hidden the "Preferences" under (duh.. File? Edit? Options? cough... sputter.. VIEW??)
Anyone have the URL of that hacked ("cracked?") German WWII poster where they superimposed Bill Gates face on? Windows deleted it (really - crashed while resizing...)
>Apple does not differnt from microsoft, only they have less power.
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I would infer then by your logic, ALL companies are like Microsoft, no?
Or would you provide some sort of post-Next/Steve example of Apple really being bastards? Please, only post Steve Jobs examples (when I bailed from Windows). I'm sure if they are as bad as you say you could still come up with awefule examples in the 2.5 year timeframe I limited you to.
>>"They [Apple] are not out to steal products from other companies, annex the internet, or publically
humiliate and ruthlessly crush "insubordinate" software companies like they have done to Netscape, Citrix, Spyglass and Stak."
>Wait for them to get back into the power ring, we shall see how benevolent apple really is. Another Microsoft, and we have always known it to.
Oh, great logic here. Shall I even waste my time making you look like an idiot? Why not, it's almost lunchtime.
Who are the collective "we" you refer to? All of Slashdot??
How is Apple, in your predicted future, going to become like Microsoft? Please provide both future and past examples of really bastard-like Apple activities.
Of course, I could be incorrect in assuming you are singleing out Apple. Maybe you are a complete moron and believe ALL COMPANIES are just like Microsoft... just give them the chance to get there, right?
Apple is and will ALWAYS BE the underdog, and as a Mac fan with years of experience on other platforms I can say this is the way things should be. NO one should control the market, and only by pitting ideas against each other on a level playing field will the best idea win.
I do not consider Microsoft OR Apple to be a "standard" since MY definition of standard is a "documented way of doing things", and both Win and Mac are closed platforms. The difference to me is Apple competes somewhat fairly, while Microsoft uses your Windows money to destroy competition using means other than competing fairly. "Oh, it says here Mr. Gameway and Mr. Dwell you once bundled a non-Microsoft Office suite. that'll be an extra $20 per Windows license please."
Ever hear of Aimtech Jamba? It's a cool product I once supported/QA'd. MS asked to buy Jamba, but we wouldn't seperate the product from our company (it was a hit, buy us completely...). Well, to make a long stort short Microsoft bought DimensionX, a direct Aimtech competitor, and now gives the product away free (how DOES Microsoft afford such things? Hmmm???). You read between the lines.
Safe to say Jamba is a dead product now; I am elsewhere and much happier, but I'll always sympathize with anyone with the guts to challenge Microsoft.
So there!
Yes, it's rather unfortunate Apple has, IF the news I read is correct, has locked some codec vendors into QuickTime exclusivity.
The LEAST Apple could do is offer a version of QuickTime for Linux. This may offend the free software people, but hey, this is the reality of the non-linear video world. The possibility of more platforms becoming supported is a real one... someone should start a QuickTime for Linux petition, that is IF there is any interest..
Do any Linux apps support external codecs?? I thought all the Linux players had hard-coded support. This is a huge obstacle to getting any kind of real CODEC support for Linux.
:-(
Um, I don't think Apple tried to patent the graphical UI, unlike some OTHER company I can think of which now owns electronic style sheets (THERE'S audacity!).
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Apple did fight to protect its product against copying. If you think software deserves any protection, just HOW MUCH can you copy the GUI of a product before you've crossed the line? If you don't think there is a line, please state so. BTW, I was an Atari ST user at the time, and was extremely annoyed at Apple for bullying Atari/Digital into making changes to GEM OS. In the end though, Apple was not demanding the end of GEM, just that they not copy so closely. Over time, your protection decreases as we have seen. Apple had every right to protect their R&D from wholesale copying by Microsoft, and that does not mean MS was not allowed to create THEIR OWN graphical user interface that did not look and feel so much like the MacOS.
Yeah, and Intel is "open".. Bzzzt!! How can you say that? If as you put it the specs are public, so explain to me again why there are no non-Intel upgrades for Slot One? When you are done, please follow up with your analysis of Intergraph vs. Intel, Motorola vs. Intel, and DOJ vs. Intel. I'll be waiting here, not cloaked behind AC.
AMD and Cyrix are nothing but reverse-engineering efforts, and with Merced coming out what do you think will happen to AMD and Cyrix? What, you were not aware Intel is not inviting AMD to that party? Intel has learned cloning of their CPU's led to the $200 chip - they WILL NOT let that happen again. Merced will be as closed if not more as the G3. (The G3 isn't really closed anyways, you can buy them from IBM or Mot... in quantity though
Sleepy
PS - The "Linux" in my statement refers to x86 version that replaced Win95, not LinuxPPC. We can all be Microsoft free depending on what we use, I suppose, but until there are Linux versions of QuickTime, PhotoShop (tried GIMP..), After Effects and Infini-D AND drag-and-drop works between these apps, Linux won't do it for me. I've tried WINE also and it's not even close to running Windows versions of these apps. OTOH, there's progress on SheepShaver/PPC which I am following closely...
Come on... give them a break!
I sincerely hope you didn't type your post from a Windows box, either. Would be rather ironic, wouldn't it?
Apple is closed, and closed is bad, but "closed" is not the be all end all. Being closed is a BUG that Apple must fix, and an incremental fix is OK *for now*. Let them hear our dissatisfaction and constructive criticism and they will change. Apple IS listening to criticism, and moving onto a UNIX core, licensing OpenGL (woo-hoo!), agressively courting developers especially GAMES and low-cost systems based on THIS YEARS technology (not last-years discontinued Pecker-Bell computers) is all part of their recovery. Killing Newton and the clones were also painful steps needed for profitability.
Personally, I'd like to see them open everything, fix things that are wrong with Linux, but that won't happen for a while. Apple differs from Microsoft in one important way: they just want to make cool stuf and a few bucks at it. They are not out to steal products from other companies, annex the internet, or publically humiliate and ruthlessly crush "insubordinate" software companies like they have done to Netscape, Citrix, Spyglass and Stak.
Sleepy
100% Microsoft Free thanks to my G3 Mac and GNU/Linux
I suppose this might help people who want to write drivers (and don't mind giving copyright away to Apple). The termination clause REALLY SUCKS.
Anyone who calls this "open source" just doesn't get it, or is one of the suits who gets it but doesn't care. I don't agree with everything RMS says, but he is right-on here!
Sleepy
(an otherwise fan of Apple, who wishes they would REALLY go open source. The G3 hardware is *awesome*. )
Don't discount Microsoft's "efforts". They can affort to make a LOT of costly mistakes because they have a lock on the OS market and Office applications.
Microsoft could EASILY sell Office below cost, at $0.00, with the intention of raising prices later (or maybe make it "part of the OS" for their OWN Linux distro) [shudder].
And my definition of FUD includes strategic vaporware, since this is a well-used tactic by Microsoft. "Want to frighten a cutting-edge software company into giving you their patents?" Announce Hydra! Look up the MS vs. Citrix story -- these guys came up with thin clients which could get their own desktops on an NT server (really their own desktops... like the stuff found on most UNIXen).
Unfortunately, Citrix did not have a lot of capital and so paid their employees in stock options. When Microsoft announced they would build this technology into a version of NT, the Citrix employees revolted against management, since their "pay" became increasingly worthless as Citrix's valuation plummeted against the MS' threats. Eventually Citrix reached a deal where they divided the market with MS.
What's this have to do with MS Office for Linux? It could be FUD designed to scare away investors from those currently writing "office suites" for Linux. This is why we need open sourced office suites -- this is too important a communications mode to let some company whore us out at whim.
Microsoft using XML announcement is FUD, just like the declarations of ActiveX becoming an "open standard" (remember THAT one, last year?).
If Microsoft documents their file formats using XML, but XML is merely wapper glue between OLE objects, that's not "XML format" to me.
Although, the average reporter at c|net or ZDNet will not catch the distinction (not all of them are like this, but they do seem to have a difficult time attracting and retaining real "techies" who know how to write).
Hey, if they DO put out a version for Linux, enough people will get their product that they won't QUESTION why Microsoft does not publish their file formats.
:) if they just level the playing field. They STILL have the biggest wallet, but play on a level field. Until they do, I will cheer anyone who finds ways to hurt Microsoft.
Can you imagine if we had this format mess with other mediums of communication, like the telephone, or email?
I will retract MANY bad things I say about microsoft (but not all..
The problem is if Microsoft collapses HARD, like say how Apple collapsed between 1995 and early 98, Microsoft will take down all the other stocks with them.
And Microsoft crashing that hard IS possible. Just keep supporting open/free software, and make animal sacrifices for the excellent work being done for WINE. It'll fall into place, and then the only thing remaining is CLEANING UP Linux and making it "user friendly" (no, not killing or hiding the shell as the press sometimes opines, I mean updating obsolete man and info pages, application interoperability, and KDE merging with Gnome).
I'm not down wit tha stereotypes boyyyy
Actually, yes I have developed film. Of course that was summer camp 15 years ago... :-D
I agree developing qualifies for Nerdness (tm). I regret implying otherwise (hey, I was talking about the percieved "anti-digital").
Now one thing everyone seems to have overlooked is this is jst a PREVIEW. I heard they will consider ALL-DIGITAL for the second movie, but for the first we're just seeing a trial run.
Based on that information I don't see why the flat-earthers are getting all worked up like hysterical women in a B horror movie.
They're going to show THIS movie in the same stick-floor cinemas we are used to.
Offtopic, but yes you are very correct about PowerPC being very overclockable. As soon as I feel my new G3/300 has been "burned in", say in 3 months, I'll be attempting 350 then 400MHz with it.
With PPC, your success at overclocking is more likely to depend on the quality/tolerances of your cache RAM than what the processor might be capable of. Overclocked PPC's DO NOT overheat when clocked up 1 or 2 steps.
MacIntouch did a Review of an aftermarket G3 upgrade, using the new IBM 450 MHz chips. The user clocked it up to 560 MHz with no stability problems, and it ran at a relatively cool 35C/95F. The story is here:
http://www1.macintouch.com/g3zif466.html
To me, this is like tuning your car. No laws PREVENT a crime, but there are laws on the books against fraud. If a parts shop sells you a motor that is dangerously overbored and misrepresents it as a higher volume engine.. that is plain fraud, and auto consumers shouldn't all have to pay extra so they build in some kind of protection against overboring.
It's just life. People think they are saving money when buying cheep pee-cees from fly-by-night show vendors who won't be around half as long as their promised warranty.
You'll end up paying more anyways, as Intel had to draw resources from somewhere to pay for this.
As for privacy, the Net is like TV, and like it or not WILL replace TV. We have enough censorship here in the States without a big brother [the government OR Microsoft... take your pick] indexing what we watch, don't want, and studying what was on the screen the moment we changed programming.
Thank you for one of the few signals amongst the noise. I'm surprised a "news for nerds" site would harbor so much anti-digital resentment.
:).
I work in a software house which makes software to be used in digital film production. I can't say more because I'm under NDA until the NAB show in Las vegas (plus, marketing is not my area of expertise
IMHO film is *dead* in the same way NTSC is dead - the old technology has been pushed as far as it can go and digital is almost ready for prime-time. This will be argued for years, but we've already seen digital take over audio (the CD, although they CD doesn't have quite the freq range of an LP...) and digital video cameras with [Apple] Firewire ports are becoming mainstream.
This is NOT 1280x1024! 4k resolution is the minimum, and 64-bit color is sweet. This can scale up for larger screens, and does NOT have to be projected -- 120 degree concave screens anyone? (years away of course..). Quality is fantastic I hear and unlike film will improve quickly.
Lastly, the BIGGEST reason for a studio to push digital... DISTRIBUTION. This opens the doors for a coordinated worldwide release, instead of US only releases and when sales curve off, shipping the reels overseas. This also lessens the effect of piracy -- there's less demand for bootleg showings of something everyone has already seen. The release delay or innaccessability of a hit film overseas is more than enough encouragement for some to pirate...
I'll miss film dropouts and dead moths like I will miss record pops and static electricity...
I've loved CIV since 3000 BC... playing it on my Atari ST and then DOS. It's an honor to be testing the latest version, which will be the among first commercial game for GNU/Linux.
Yeah, sure... Be is fully tested... which is why they sell "betas".
By the way... when Red Hat's not ready to release a distro I think you can get just about EVERYTHING yourself from various servers. You're not tied to RH - they could go under and disappear and you'd still be able to get everything you want/need.
Additionally, there's no need to wait for a new Red Hat, unless you don't want to or don't have time to do it yourself, you idiot.
This is a new low for slashdot. More crap like this and I'll exercise my right to block banner ads..
OTOH IS a rather amusing site... but only worth a 'quickie' IMO.
Two ironic things here:
The first time I opened the page, Netscape for Linux crashed when Java initialized. kill? kill -9...
Second is I bought an Apple G3/300 today, and it did NOT crash when I opened the page.
Scott
Gee, anyone remember Microsoft's "commitment" to pure Java?
another almost laughable one:
Microsoft's commitment to open web standards!
bah hah hah
First - they dynamically allocate less download bandwidth for Netscape browsers, so when I want drivers I get them at 2 kb per second on a T3. I've proven this by instantiating an IE download of the same URL on the same computer, where IE "somehow" downloaded the same file FOURTY-SEVEN TIMES FASTER. Hmm..
Second - They block non-Microsoft web browsers from critical parts of their web site. Want information on Microsoft's year 2000 bugs.. well, they refuse to show you if you use Netscape or Opera. Want to complain about it on the Feedback page? You're also blocked. Those Microsofties are such Klever D00dz
Third - A patent on style sheets? I think I remember using them in Quark *years* ago, before Microsoft (or at least that clueless putz BillG) had even HEARD of "the Internet".
Fourth - Anyone ever try to take Microsoft documents across platforms? The #1 reason I cannot choose a Mac for my personal/email workstation is because people know firsthand how committed to Quality Assurance. They leave bugs and incompatabilities in the product so there's always a reason not to stray from Windows, or if you're on a Mac, a reason for your boss or IT to apply pressure for you to switch.
Fifth - What a GREAT way to FUD Corel. Corel stock is looking better these days, but what better way to kick these people in the balls by spreading rumors of Office for Linux. They don't even have to RELEASE anything... just vaporware it.
Or worse yet... built-in help!
ready Jerry Pournole's (I know it's spelled incorrectly) new column in BYTE. UNIX should be slim and trim, but it CAN do things cheaply like load help files from within the program. Yes a unix user knows ho to switch between background and foreground I know I know... that's not my point.
How many Linux manpages have been neglected, or tell you to instead consult the infopage or readme instead. RTFM is not a problem for me but it's annoying to be forwarded to yet another doc (with no "link" in the doc to make it automatic). And if you REALLY want to understand the help, you'll have an xterm open to EACH documentation resource.
Microsoft was onto something when they copied the Mac.
I keep hearing these wonderful things the LinuxPPC group is doing. They really are doing excellent work, considering as a non-x86 Linux distro they are "swimming AGAINST the tide".
:)
I'd love to see Motorolla/IBM sell PowerPC components. Unfortunately the market is against this, since a manufacturer won't piddle about with small orders. Motorolla isn't even sure if they want to fight Intel anymore, since Wintel is a solid duopoly. It seems like Mot is drifting towards DSP/"embedded" territory, which is probably why we keep hearing rumors of an eventual MacOS on Merced chip. Merced has the potential to help Apple, since their big disadvantage has always been 'to run MacOS you need different hardware'... and most people are reluctant to switch hardware platforms EVEN if they regret their initial choice.
Maybe the PPC Linux group, being a larger entitity than a few of us here, can secure some hardware for resale. I'm buying a G3 this summer, but I'll also buy a more generic G3 system for Linux if I can ever find one.
I'd love to see G3's take on the market. I want a new Mac, networked to a generic Linux box. If I can get a G3 Linux box I will be much happier, but I don't want to waste a more expensive Apple system on my Linux server. (troll bait here...)
MacOS X should be a great thing for competition. Yes, it's a "closed UNIX" like Solaris, but ANY version of UNIX is a hundred times more open than NT! Methinks someday Apple will take advantage of Linux and sell turnkey Linux systems. If Linux *really* catches on they will have an easier time adapting BSD/MacOS-X to Linux than Microsoft (who won't even have a product ready for UNIX, never mind their dead OS
Your "typical" Mac user is not going to be any more out of water than a Windows user, given a Linux CD.
Linux is more prevailent on x86 not only because there are simply more x86 systems... but also because a number of wintel users are simply not satisfied with their environment. One COULD argue that had Appple won the desktop wars Linux would not be what it is today... necessity fuels innovation. (Necessity being defined as needing something "different" in a very general sense... not needing GNU, needing command-line, etc.)
When I get a Mac to replace the one I sold off (sniff!) it's getting Linux. There's a lot of hacker types on the mac side as well.. they're not graduates from the America Online School Of Computer Illiteracy. When I had my Mac I loved running BeOS. I only wish SheepShaver evisted at the time, so I could run MacOS apps from within a be environment.
Of course, today OS X went GM so you'll get UNIX + MacOS all in one..
Macintouch.com has a story of the new 460 MHz PowerPC chips from IBM, and how some users are overclocking these babies all the wauy to ** 550 MHz ** and they still don't overheat. I think beyond that, the cache RAM becomes unstable, but heat isn't as much an issue as it is with poorlydesigned Intel chips...
Oops, you're right on one point -- I did acknowledge the Mac SMP problem" at first but lost it when I shortened my post. I stand corrected. I don't see where you're ass-u-me ing my response was wounded pride however - I don't have a Mac, but I ALSO loathe misguided pro-Microsoft evangelism & FUD, and stating NT magically distributes application load over CPU's is just bullshit.
Never mind the fact that since Pentium II CPU's do not easily scale beyond 2 processors, I'm stuck with just 2 CPU's when I could do more with 4.
I have a dual processor NT box here and VERY FEW Windows applications use both processors. Unless the Win32 app is written to take advantage of multiple processors or threads, then the app will sit on a single CPU be it MacOS OR WinNT.
Apps like PhotoShop are heavily threaded and support multiple processors on either OS. I've seen Adobe products scream on a 4-CPU DayStar MacOS machine..
Here's what I know on the subject, if this helps anyone:
MacOS apps may use the SML-enabling extensions licensed by Apple from Daystar, but these are not very stable and are cumbersome to program (so I have been told!). Mac OS X fixes that at the OS level -- if the app is recompiled using Carbon API's. The last remaining issue is G3 CPU's do not SMP very well, and when you have 2 or more processors running in paralell they will invalidate the other's cache, which kills responsiveness. This limitation CAN be worked around, as we've seen the press releases from PowerPC Linux and the Amiga folks who are pursuing 4-way G3 solutions (it can work but it is a hack). SMP existed in the 604e and will return again in the G4. I think the G4 CPU's will also support multiple cores in a single chip also (!!).
>Macintrashes require distinct applications for SMP systems (because the OS is SMP-impaired).
;-)
Sure, Bill, whatever. Divide and conquor the Anything But Microsoft crowd, right? And HOW bad did NT keep crashing for Adobe at Seybold, where they had to do all the demos on MacOS instead of 50-50 as was planned?
... and what EXACTLY does Windows NT do with applications that are not "distinct for SMP systems", as you put it?
Not a heck of a lot. I'm sitting on an Intergraph GT1 with 2 Pentium2 400's, running Windows NT.
Few apps ever uses more than "50% of the CPU pool", or a single processor. You are saying just put any app on an NT box and the OS will magically distribute the load, eh?
Oh, PhotoShop does use both CPU's... must be written that way.
>NT or Linux... doesn't matter - any app that'll run on a one proc machine should run on an n-proc machine.
Um... really? You are genius. Sweeping generalizations, Microsoft style... PURE FUD.
Oh, and NT also does not feature power management... ever take an NT laptop on a plane? Better carry another battery unless you're using a Mac or Windoze 9x
Color calibration for NT? Nope...
Multiple display support for NT? SORT OF if you don't mind the fact that the cards have to be the same chipset? Oh, also with NT you can't have different resolutions running in each monitor (very useful if you are proofing an app or webpage for different resolutions. Oh, and how the NT OS automatically sticks all dialog boxes in-between both monitors, instead of nicely centering in the default monitor
Scripability in NT? there's nothing even remotely like AppleScript, needed for automation and piping data from one application to another. Sure, WindowsNT has OLE which is not scripting, and requires [cough, cough] purchasing more Microsoft tools. Unless you want to count CMD.EXE... a GREAT environment for scripting in NT (not). That'll be gone too in the next version of Windoze and you'll have to buy VB Lite to build little programs that "list a directory and then print the list" which you still can't do in Explorer.
Don't be an ass. There's huge shortcomings to all OS's out there. MacOS X Server takes a big leap forward with a UNIX-based OS, and every few months Linux is getting better, while only Windows is lowering its quality and becoming more closed an environment...
First of all, you make us all look bad. My opinion is most people are upset their license prevents you from linking to "other" CD databases. Not that anything else is even close to cddb.
Second, you could get yourself into legal trouble. Threats won't sway ANYONE.
Thirdly, supposing the above were not true, would you be willing to "clean up" CDDB's database which you took part in breaking? I thought not...
What's wrong with BEER!?!