disclaimer: I write for a FreeBSD wiki (see link below).
That said, I still think FreeBSD is a better choice for starting out on he BSDs -- a larger community base is available to you, which for a newbie to a particular OS is not something to be lightly discounted. Larger support for the OS (hardware as well as software,) is generally available to FreeBSD users than other BSD users, although the other BSDs aren't without their merits (you'll likely hear about them in other posts, so I won't even bother.) Linux has it's place, and so do OpenBSD and NetBSD. I'd say it really depends on what you're going to be using the system for. If it's a development machine, FreeBSD or maybe NetBSD (Net's portability might be a plus, but unless you're planning on actually putting the OS on a machine that won't take anything else, I wouldn't go through the trouble.) If it's going to be a public box of some sort, I'd say check out Open first; certainly Free and Net can be secured but there is something to be said about the single-mindedness that OpenBSD has vis-a-vis security. If you need a mix of these things -- a development machine that's public but secure for e.g. -- I'd recommend FreeBSD. They seem to strike a fair balance.
depends on which pkg-get you use and what you're trying to install. pkg-get from sunfreeware.com doesn't (as far as i can remember,) resolve dependencies, but I believe the one from blastwave.org does -- also note that some packages that have large dependencies (KDE's QT dependency for e.g.,) may have to have those deps installed seperately.
Most old-school Mac users won't care -- they'll either want or prefer their old AppleWorks (or the new Apple offering, iWorks,) or stick to using BBEdit (or similar) for word processing tasks, and new Mac users will be getting either iWorks or MS's Office X. Old Mac users are not averse to paying for software they want and like, and new mac users will probably want to stick to what they know will work -- Office X would win out, even despite the cost, I'd guess. So this appeals to...linux and unix users who alreayd know and love OO.o.
people like and use wikipedia because it's online, free and easy to use. There are folks of a certain mindset who of course cherish the "anyone can edit it" aspect of it above all else, and it's certainly a strong point for the wikipedia, but if Encyclopedia Britannica had their own wiki up, they'd probably be either just as (if not more) popular.
there used to be a game called the adventures of willy beam (or something like that....) which was somewhat in the same spirit -- you were a kid and had to solve puzzles (doing kids stuff like paper airplanes and trapaising through a yard etc)...I wonder if that's been abandoned...last time I check on underdogs (a while ago, true, I couldn't find it..)
I am assuming this is a new addition to their EULA or something....I am using version 2.0.8c on my windows machines @ home and work and I've had them on there for waaaaaay longer than 30 days and I have yet to see anything like this come up. Works great, it's a shame to hear that the new versions are being crippled like that. Time to find a new client for IRC for windows and linux....
Plenty of time to nudge it off course with some of those surplus nukes we have lying around if it is going to hit...
This has been covered before, but the problem with hitting an large object hurtling towards something with a nuke is that afterwards you have a lot of much smaller hurtling bodies which are now radioactive.
This is a big concern, but something else that the poster might want to consider is that a lot of hospitals/health care facilities still use a lot of big iron mainframes for a lot of their patient records -- I've run across Solaris, HP-UX, SCO, AIX, IRIX and various flavors of GNU/Linux (predominantly Red Hat Linux) in the health care industry (often in the same facility.) I'd recommend Java for the portability, although if time if of the essense, I suppose they could bang it out in.NET and then try to rewrite it if they ever needed to (but that's... not optimal.)
"So the Reagan-era dream of a space umbrella keeping us all safe from harm is about to be realized...as long as the enemy attacks us on a sunny day and gives us the target coordinates in advance."
I *DO NOT* want a Windows replacement, I want something better. The Linux community needs to quit trying to make another Windows and focus on its core strengths as an alternative! I actually started out back in the days of RedHat 6 and have never looked back. I currently run SuSE 9.1 and can still not see why anyone would choose to run Windows if they know what else is out there.
You're arguing a point that doesn't need to be made. There are already a variety of *nix-based OSes that are better than windows. Folks who are resistant to switching have two solid reasons, generally speaking, and they are: a) linux doesn't do what I want it to or b) I don't want to learn a new system. Period. Linux is better at a lot of stuff -- especially for power users, or folks who need more unix-like stuff in their system -- but still lacks some things that a lot of people consider completely critical "MUST HAVE" things. Full MS Exchange compatibility - including calendars, thanks...being able to read email is the main focus of exchange but is not the be-all end-all of it, especially in larger companies. Software that is not available on linux/mac OS X etc is another big one for folks in column A -- consumer apps like iTunes/Quicktime, production apps that are standards like Dreamweaver or Photoshop; all these things add up. And while there are work-arounds and ways to keep the functionality without using the same program, you're usually going to find it an uphill battle.
The other folks who just don't want to change aren't going to and you're just going annoy 'em if you insist. Linux is the right tool for a lot of things, and one of unix-like systems big strengths is that it's flexible enough to do just about anything with it, if you really want to. Getting someone to want that and work for it can be a big PITA. Use what works for the task at hand. Find a solution to a problem, don't force a solution on a problem that it doesn't apply to.
if the app NEEDS to run, you put it on a DMZ and let the world have at it. If they want internal access....make an effort to secure it and when they say they can't do that, get it in writing -- email will do if you've already got that -- and make sure you've secured everything you can. Not much else you CAN do, unless you're the boss.
Ask yourself if you really want to work decades for a company where getting approval is such a hassle.
...do you know anywhere where tech employees are kept around for decades?
I don't. The closest you can really get is a HUGE company like an Apple, Microsoft or IBM; aside from hugegantic companies like that, a university gig is your best bet. Even at huge places like those, you'll see a lot of turnover as people get a) fired or b) leave because they've gotten a bigger/better skillset and want to earn the $$ that goes along with it.
FreeBSD's root shell is/bin/csh (which is in fact tcsh), and it's quite usable.
The last three FreeBSD servers I've installed (5.1, 5.2.1 and 5.2.1, respectively,) have all had/bin/sh as the default shell during the "add a user?" part of the install (and when you create one with/stand/sysinstall...I forget if using adduser prompts you with a default shell...). I've had to manually change the shell for the non-root user to something worth using every time I've installed; I should have made that clearer.
Admittedly, Solaris is the only commercial UNIX i've installed, so I can't comment on other commercial unixes (althoguh I've used SCO and VMS and was Not Happy with them,) but compared to the various other flavors of unixes/linuxes, the install and initial setup of the system during OS install is hideous. Putting aside the lack of development tools (e.g., a compiler), root's homedir is/, you have to know to tell the installer not to automatically reboot so that you can get a console going and create your first user,/home is really a link to/export/home -- which root can't modify (WTF? -- you have to "unexport" home in a config file in/etc/ before you can do anything to it, like e.g., create a user's homedir[1],). the default shell is/bin/sh (ok, so is FreeBSD's, but really, would it KILL them to use something friendlier?) and the only other immediately available shells are ksh and csh (i think tcsh might be in Sol10...not sure; I know bash isn't.) More services than you can shake a stick at are enabled by default (chargen? time? wtf?) via inetd, sendmail enabled in/etc/rc....it's hideous.
Honestly, this is not a knock against Solaris as a server OS in and of itself: all of these complaints are really not THAT germane when you're setting up a server and you're going to be checking over everything ANYWAY, but it'd be nice to not HAVE to change every little thing.
[1]This might be useful if you're going to have portable profiles and map user's homedirs vis NFS or something....but that's a pretty big assumption to make for a default install.
it's not present in any of the Sol10 builds for Sparc architecture; I've installed and fooled around with all the buils since (i think) 59...I've installed Solaris 10 at least 3 different times on Sparcs and twice on x86. Only the x86 version has the JDS built in so far as I can tell, and I can't get it to start up (X crashes on me repeatedly right after login...can't even get to the desktop except through CDE).
So really, I'm asking if JDS will be in the Sparc version of the final product.
without a doubt, solaris has been the biggest pain to set up out of ANY unix i've installed (admittedly, mostly *BSDs and Linuxes). When does the sparc version get JDS?
Sun specifically will not under any circumstance include GPL'd code in the Solaris kernel. Sun was recently somewhat screwed by Intel. Sun had been waiting for Intel to release wireless drivers (mainly for Solaris x86 laptop/wireless users). When Intel finally did release the code, they did it under GPL. Thus, completely screwing Sun's ability to include the drivers in their distribution.
So how does this prevent Sun from licensing the drivers from Intel under a different license? GPL isn't the ONLY license out there, you know. It's Intel's call if they want to fuck over Sun by saying "no, GPL it or SUCK IT TREBEK" to Sun when they asked for a different license.
Is that why the majority of all Solaris versions ship with Gnome 2.0? The only version of solaris that doesn't use the incredibly ancient 2.0 is the Solaris 10 Beta Build 69 for the x86 architecture. I couldn't get it to run on a dell desktop machine that I installed the beta on, and none of the sparc builds have JDS...hell, even XFCE would a welcome change from CDE.
So they've spent a ton of money to improve gnome....so that they don't use it?
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That said, I still think FreeBSD is a better choice for starting out on he BSDs -- a larger community base is available to you, which for a newbie to a particular OS is not something to be lightly discounted. Larger support for the OS (hardware as well as software,) is generally available to FreeBSD users than other BSD users, although the other BSDs aren't without their merits (you'll likely hear about them in other posts, so I won't even bother.) Linux has it's place, and so do OpenBSD and NetBSD. I'd say it really depends on what you're going to be using the system for. If it's a development machine, FreeBSD or maybe NetBSD (Net's portability might be a plus, but unless you're planning on actually putting the OS on a machine that won't take anything else, I wouldn't go through the trouble.) If it's going to be a public box of some sort, I'd say check out Open first; certainly Free and Net can be secured but there is something to be said about the single-mindedness that OpenBSD has vis-a-vis security. If you need a mix of these things -- a development machine that's public but secure for e.g. -- I'd recommend FreeBSD. They seem to strike a fair balance.
depends on which pkg-get you use and what you're trying to install. pkg-get from sunfreeware.com doesn't (as far as i can remember,) resolve dependencies, but I believe the one from blastwave.org does -- also note that some packages that have large dependencies (KDE's QT dependency for e.g.,) may have to have those deps installed seperately.
What's the status of the Java port/package(s)? Nothing in the report about it.
Most old-school Mac users won't care -- they'll either want or prefer their old AppleWorks (or the new Apple offering, iWorks,) or stick to using BBEdit (or similar) for word processing tasks, and new Mac users will be getting either iWorks or MS's Office X. Old Mac users are not averse to paying for software they want and like, and new mac users will probably want to stick to what they know will work -- Office X would win out, even despite the cost, I'd guess. So this appeals to...linux and unix users who alreayd know and love OO.o.
or a dictionary...
right after the windows coders stop drinking long enough weren't the different windows codenames based on bars?
people like and use wikipedia because it's online, free and easy to use. There are folks of a certain mindset who of course cherish the "anyone can edit it" aspect of it above all else, and it's certainly a strong point for the wikipedia, but if Encyclopedia Britannica had their own wiki up, they'd probably be either just as (if not more) popular.
there used to be a game called the adventures of willy beam (or something like that....) which was somewhat in the same spirit -- you were a kid and had to solve puzzles (doing kids stuff like paper airplanes and trapaising through a yard etc)...I wonder if that's been abandoned...last time I check on underdogs (a while ago, true, I couldn't find it..)
I am assuming this is a new addition to their EULA or something....I am using version 2.0.8c on my windows machines @ home and work and I've had them on there for waaaaaay longer than 30 days and I have yet to see anything like this come up. Works great, it's a shame to hear that the new versions are being crippled like that. Time to find a new client for IRC for windows and linux....
This has been covered before, but the problem with hitting an large object hurtling towards something with a nuke is that afterwards you have a lot of much smaller hurtling bodies which are now radioactive.
This is a big concern, but something else that the poster might want to consider is that a lot of hospitals/health care facilities still use a lot of big iron mainframes for a lot of their patient records -- I've run across Solaris, HP-UX, SCO, AIX, IRIX and various flavors of GNU/Linux (predominantly Red Hat Linux) in the health care industry (often in the same facility.) I'd recommend Java for the portability, although if time if of the essense, I suppose they could bang it out in .NET and then try to rewrite it if they ever needed to (but that's ... not optimal.)
The pagan (to who?) holiday that was assimilated was Saturnalia/the winter solstice. See this article on saturnalia at wikipedia and this other article about christmas from same for more info on those.
"So the Reagan-era dream of a space umbrella keeping us all safe from harm is about to be realized...as long as the enemy attacks us on a sunny day and gives us the target coordinates in advance."
that's a reference to a segment of an Art Bell show which tool sampled on their last song on their most recent album actually.
You're arguing a point that doesn't need to be made. There are already a variety of *nix-based OSes that are better than windows. Folks who are resistant to switching have two solid reasons, generally speaking, and they are: a) linux doesn't do what I want it to or b) I don't want to learn a new system. Period. Linux is better at a lot of stuff -- especially for power users, or folks who need more unix-like stuff in their system -- but still lacks some things that a lot of people consider completely critical "MUST HAVE" things. Full MS Exchange compatibility - including calendars, thanks...being able to read email is the main focus of exchange but is not the be-all end-all of it, especially in larger companies. Software that is not available on linux/mac OS X etc is another big one for folks in column A -- consumer apps like iTunes/Quicktime, production apps that are standards like Dreamweaver or Photoshop; all these things add up. And while there are work-arounds and ways to keep the functionality without using the same program, you're usually going to find it an uphill battle.
The other folks who just don't want to change aren't going to and you're just going annoy 'em if you insist. Linux is the right tool for a lot of things, and one of unix-like systems big strengths is that it's flexible enough to do just about anything with it, if you really want to. Getting someone to want that and work for it can be a big PITA. Use what works for the task at hand. Find a solution to a problem, don't force a solution on a problem that it doesn't apply to.
if the app NEEDS to run, you put it on a DMZ and let the world have at it. If they want internal access....make an effort to secure it and when they say they can't do that, get it in writing -- email will do if you've already got that -- and make sure you've secured everything you can. Not much else you CAN do, unless you're the boss.
well, be fair, it's not like President Bush has been watching the USD lately either.
you're WASTEing your time hoping for that.
...do you know anywhere where tech employees are kept around for decades?
I don't. The closest you can really get is a HUGE company like an Apple, Microsoft or IBM; aside from hugegantic companies like that, a university gig is your best bet. Even at huge places like those, you'll see a lot of turnover as people get a) fired or b) leave because they've gotten a bigger/better skillset and want to earn the $$ that goes along with it.
The last three FreeBSD servers I've installed (5.1, 5.2.1 and 5.2.1, respectively,) have all had /bin/sh as the default shell during the "add a user?" part of the install (and when you create one with /stand/sysinstall...I forget if using adduser prompts you with a default shell...). I've had to manually change the shell for the non-root user to something worth using every time I've installed; I should have made that clearer.
Honestly, this is not a knock against Solaris as a server OS in and of itself: all of these complaints are really not THAT germane when you're setting up a server and you're going to be checking over everything ANYWAY, but it'd be nice to not HAVE to change every little thing.
[1]This might be useful if you're going to have portable profiles and map user's homedirs vis NFS or something....but that's a pretty big assumption to make for a default install.
So really, I'm asking if JDS will be in the Sparc version of the final product.
without a doubt, solaris has been the biggest pain to set up out of ANY unix i've installed (admittedly, mostly *BSDs and Linuxes). When does the sparc version get JDS?
So how does this prevent Sun from licensing the drivers from Intel under a different license? GPL isn't the ONLY license out there, you know. It's Intel's call if they want to fuck over Sun by saying "no, GPL it or SUCK IT TREBEK" to Sun when they asked for a different license.
So they've spent a ton of money to improve gnome....so that they don't use it?