Stable Linux Kernel 2.6.10 Released

An anonymous reader writes "Offering it as 'something to play with over the holidays,' Linus Torvalds released the official 2.6.10 Linux kernel, which he named the 'Woozy Numbat.' KernelTrap offers the full details, noting that there have been minimal changes since the last release candidate, 2.6.10-rc3. Linus commented that with 2.6.10 released, now he could 'get into the Glögg for real' (a hot mulled wine with spices, red wine, port and brandy). As always, the latest Linux kernel can be downloaded from a kernel.org mirror." (Here are some recipes, too.)

Comments

A helpful holiday reminder...

[kngthdn]

Remember to put a piece of metal silverware into each of of your glasses before you pour your glögg in. If you forget, they'll all crack from the sudden heat.

And don't forget to rerun lilo afterwards. ; )

Friends don't let friends "make menuconfig" drunk.

Re:A helpful holiday reminder...

[TedCheshireAcad]

Friends don't let friends "make menuconfig" drunk.

This is why the linux kernel needs a breathalyzer driver.

Re:A helpful holiday reminder...

[theparanoidcynic]

Friends don't let friends "make menuconfig" drunk.

Oh word. Judging by previous experiences in (highly) inebriated system administration I may well spell "make menuconfig" as "rm -rf /". This, while funny at the time would make for a very . . . interesting hangover.

Re:A helpful holiday reminder...

[lgftsa]

/dev/bloodalcohol

Re:A helpful holiday reminder...

[IO ERROR]

Switch to GRUB. No more annoying reinstalling your bootloader everytime you change your kernel. Just edit the configuration file and off you go.

Ooops, forgot to edit the config file? AND removed your old kernel? No problem. GRUB will give you a command line where you can locate and boot off your new kernel. With lilo you'd have to go figure out where you stashed that rescue CD...

Re:A helpful holiday reminder...

[Frank T. Lofaro Jr.]

Friends don't let friends write kernel patches drunk. (e.g. 2.4.20).

Re:A helpful holiday reminder...

[jericho4.0]

That would probably be;

/proc/bloodalcohol

Re:A helpful holiday reminder...

[zerocool^]

Friends don't let friends "make menuconfig" drunk.

Off topic, but I've started copying .config to /boot/config-2.6.8-200412251, and I do that everytime I recompile now. It saves a LOT of headaches when you're overly zealous and you end up changing 12 things in the config, trying to fix your problem, and you don't know which one fixed it, plus you want to know what you did to screw something else up.

Re:A helpful holiday reminder...

[lgftsa]

We want to measure the real-world user, not the system. The driver interfaces with a sensor plugged into your most available artery.

Re:A helpful holiday reminder...

[jericho4.0]

Ah! Correct. My misunderstanding was a consequence of blood alcohol level, as it happens.

Re:A helpful holiday reminder...

[Halcyonandon]

So, maybe /dev/breathalyzer would be more appropriate?

Re:A helpful holiday reminder...

[secretsquirel]

" Friends don't let friends write kernel patches drunk. (e.g. 2.4.20)."

Na, I think for that one they were just stoned.

Re:A helpful holiday reminder...

[Afrosheen]

No, we're dealing with udev now, so it'd be something like /dev/misc/breathalyzer

Re:A helpful holiday reminder...

[ThJ]

Slashdot apparently can't handle nordic charsets. That's supposed to be 'glögg', as in 'juleglögg'.

Re:A helpful holiday reminder...

[Anonymous Coward]

echo 0.002 > /dev/bloodalcohol

better yet:

$ ssh user@otherbody -c "echo 0.002 > /dev/bloodalcohol"
$ ssh user@otherbody -c "cat /dev/bloodalcohol"
0.002
"hey man, you cant possibly drive home like that"

Re:A helpful holiday reminder...

[$!*_ForeignApes]

else the kernel would have to be installed in /booze/vmlinuz

Re:A helpful holiday reminder...

[RikRat]

I also think GRUB is a lot more advanced than LILO. I would use GRUB if I could, but it just won't run on some PC's, like mine. So I need to re-run lilo every time I compiled a new kernel :( My server does run GRUB, though.

Re:A helpful holiday reminder...

[m50d]

I'll normally produce a kernel which is at least working, although sometimes I'll get the bright idea to compile in EVERYTHING, or compile in nothing but what's needed to boot. I've never menuconfigged badly enough to give me an unuseable kernel though.

Re:A helpful holiday reminder...

[Anonymous Coward]

You fuck Will Dunn Reindeer.

Re:A helpful holiday reminder...

[BrokenHalo]

I've never menuconfigged badly enough to give me an unuseable kernel though.

New around here, are you?

:-D

Re:A helpful holiday reminder...

[sconeu]

Who uses lilo? I use grub. That way, if I rebuild my kernel, I don't get boot errors when I forget to run lilo.

Re:A helpful holiday reminder...

[MooseGuy529]

Grub is quite nice. It is easier to set up than LILO (the LILO config file always felt a little klunky) and has many more options. I used to use LILO with Slackware but now I use Grub with Gentoo. Dual-booting was also much easier to figure out.

Re:A helpful holiday reminder...

[m50d]

No, I just don't drink as much as I should

Re:A helpful holiday reminder...

[magefile]

Works fine for me. Perhaps it's on your end? Or the submitter's end, and it has been corrected? And umlauts are hardly Nordic-only ...

Re:A helpful holiday reminder...

[gorre]

Ooops, forgot to edit the config file?

You edit your config file every time you compile a new kernel!?

$ make-kpkg --rootcmd=fakeroot clean
$ make menuconfig
$ make-kpkg --rootcmd=fakeroot --revision=hostname.1.0 kernel_image
$ su
Password:
# dpkg -i ../kernel-image-version_revision.deb

Now my kernel is installed and my GRUB config file updated (with my favourite kernel options automatically set).

Re:A helpful holiday reminder...

[ThJ]

I'm using Firefox. I bet it would display correctly if I told it manually that the page uses ISO-8859-1 or what ever. But this is Slashdot's responsibility. And don't come here and be nit-picky. You know as well as I do that I was speaking in the context of this message. In Norway, "æ", "ø" and "å" are called "Norwegian letters" even though they're used in Denmark too. I bet the Danes call them "Danish letters". Neither of us pick on the other for doing so. In this context, they are Nordic letters. So there!

Re:A helpful holiday reminder...

[magefile]

Erm ... I see an umlaut. Not a nordic/danish/scandinavian letter.

Re:A helpful holiday reminder...

[ThJ]

Linus Torvalds is Finnish. The character is supposed to be an "o" with two dots on top of it. I don't know what you see.

Glogg

[Ajmuller]

Somewhat OT but Glogg, or Mulled Wine, is absolutely wonderful at the holidays. I generally make about 40 bottles of it and give it out as gifts. It's very well recieved people love it as a gift (as a rule, store 2-3 extra bottles in the car when you visit a party, you can never be sure who will show up). It also warms you up wonderfully when you come back from caroling or sleigh riding with the little ones.
A major component of Glogg is Aquavit, this year I had two extra bottles of Aquavit left over, one bottle got spiced with apples & cinnamon, the other, whole Pomogrante seeds and slices of orange. Both are absolutely fabulous. After letting them mull for a few weeks freeze them inside a block of ice, the ice will freeze around the bottle and but the Aquavit will stay liquid and freezing cold all through your holiday party.

First First Post, what a wonderful christmas present!

Re:Glogg

[iamnotacrook]

Please, there is more to the holiday season than alcahol, so many people will die in cars from the drunk driver. Pray for them when you encourage this behavious my friend.

Peace and a Holy Chirstmas to you.

Re:Glogg

[Anonymous Coward]

It's Christmas... on Slashdot... on the east coast
Slashdot... Christmas Trolls... failed it

Happy holidays!

Re:Glogg

[kovarg]

there is more to the holiday season than alcahol

Really? What?

Re:Glogg

[Anonymous Coward]

Without the alcahol(sic) how do you expect to have drunken holiday family fued? It's not christmas unless the ham gets shoved up someone's arse.

Re:Glogg

[Ajmuller]

Generally if someone get's overly drunk at my home, at any time of the year, they are invited, politely or more forcefully if needed, to sleep there.
Simply encouraging someone to drink does not encourage them to drink and drive.

Re:Glogg

[iamnotacrook]

Why is it necessary for you to drink to enjoy yourself? And if to drink then to be drunk? Alcahol cause more consequences to society than anything from these attitudes. But I know you mean no harm, so I dont be angry.

Re:Glogg

[iamnotacrook]

I can only say, sad, sad, your life is sir.

Re:Glogg

[Ajmuller]

But, what would christmas be if we don't degenerate into a shouting match about Politics, Religion or some other topic that decent people avoid when in sober polite company?
I honestly would not want to participate in such a christmas.... I would still want the gifts, but I would refuse to participate!

Re:Glogg

[DaMouse404]

what are you? retarded? I dislike alcohol, I don't drink it and I dislike touching anything to do with it (toilet cleaning would be bad without toilet duck!) But really.. NOONE cares, if they cared they'd have stopped doing it ages ago.. encouragement is nothing because they always have the choice.. -DaMouse

Re:Glogg

[sp0rk173]

Which is more sad, that he made a joke referring to alcoholism during the holidays, or that you failed to acknowledge it as funny?

Lighten up. People die, life is shit, members of extended families generally hate each other. You can't stop it. The least you can do is joke about it.

You should have commented more on his use of the world "arse." If he's not from a country that actually uses the word "arse" rather than "ass", he should be severely beaten.

Re:Glogg

[Ajmuller]

You speak like a drunk person, let's just clear that one up.
Second, we drink because it's fun. Why don't you drink? It's not about having to drink, it's about wanting to drink. It's not like we are out every single night getting plastered (speaking for myself) but every once and a while I personally like to get thoroughly plastered. There is nothing wrong with this so long as you don't engage in otherwise socically irresponsble behaviors (IE driving drunk). Drinking is not the cause of such behaviors, for someone to drink and drive they must have an inherient character flaw that allows them to have such a reckless disregard for human life.

Re:Glogg

[Adam9]

It's not Christmas on /. until a posting fued(sic) starts about spelling corrections.

Re:Glogg

[iamnotacrook]

Perhaps you should remeber it is CHRISTmas not Xmas and a time for your family and loved ones. Would you be shouting about politics if you were in Iraq? Be thankful that you have a Christmas.

Re:Glogg

[iamnotacrook]

Who are you to call me retarded? This is Christmas time. If you want to get drunk fine just dont tell me about it.

Re:Glogg

[Hork_Monkey]

Hail Satan!

Re:Glogg

[iamnotacrook]

It is funny to you too? You want hate to thrive in families? That is not my country.

Re:Glogg

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm not going to degenrate into a shouting match. Oh Fuck it. I will.
JESUS WAS BORN IN MARCH! CHRISTMAS IS A PAGAN HOLIDAY!
http://de.essortment.com/christmaspagan_ rece.htm
And you little shit, I have family in Iraq, so I suggest you shut the Fuck up. And, FYI, every single one of them blames this POS president for being over there. This idiot who want's to preserve "traditional values" sends hundreds of thoulsands of kids off to die in a country for no good reason. NONE!
And I swear if you come back with some shit about AlQueda or Saddam or Weapons of Mass Destruction I will blow your arse so far off this planet!

Re:Glogg

[iamnotacrook]

No sir, I respect you for that, and I agree, traditional values ARE more important that Saddam or the AlQueda. Thats what this country was built on.

Re:Glogg

[bofkentucky]

blood orgy blood orgy!

Re:Glogg

[sp0rk173]

The word is "Alcohol." And it isn't necessary for most people. However, on a special occasion, what's wrong with getting a bit tipsy? Especially if it's a cultural tradition, as I take Glogg to be in Norwegian countries. Personally, I don't partake in the consumption of spirituous beverages that often, but as an occasional, responsible consumer of said drinks, I'm a bit offended at your attitude. You seem to be assuming that alcohol leads to social ill when I would argue it's the intent of the individual instead. Alcohol does provides a means to tear down the barriers of standard social decency, but that doesn't mean the drive behind crimes committed under the influence of alcohol or even drugs don't exist in a sober individual. Assuming alcohol is the root of many evils is assuming that humans are inherently good and rational beings, which i would strongly argue against. Humans are inherently human, no more no less, and are shaped mainly by influences in their pre-adult years. It is up to the individual to decide how much alcohol, or any other reality-altering substance, is suitable for them given the situation they are in. If an individual fails that social test, then perhaps there are deeper rooted issues that they need to contend with themselves. We don't live in a utopia, and we never will. Getting upset because alcohol can lead to ill, be it exsitu-percieved or experienced first hand, seems to me to be a rather immature attitude towards life and humanity in general.

Re:Glogg

[LearnToSpell]

My granny wrote me a letter some years ago which I saved. No idea how much is true, but it sounds good. :-)

"It has none of the coma-inducing sweetness of mulled cider, let alone the melted ice cream overkill of eggnog. Instead, it combines the robustness of a serious wine with the headiness of a strong martini. It also goes surprisingly well with food, which is no small consideration on a Champagne recovery day."

Glogg varies. Traditionally the spiced wine is set afire and poured over sugar so that the granules melt into the punch, adding just enough sweetness to smooth the bitter edge.

TRADITIONAL GLOGG
Time: 40 minutes

1/4 cup raisins*
1 cup blanched whole almonds*
6 cardamom pods*
Pinch ground nutmeg*
6 cloves*
2 sticks cinnamon*
1 teaspoon dried ground orange peel*
(available where spices are sold)
1/3-inch piece fresh ginger*
1 bottle dry red wine
1 1/2 cups aquavit
5 ounces cube sugar

1. In a large stainless steel or other nonreactive saucepan, combine the *. Add the red wine, and allow to steep for 30 minutes. Add the aquavit and place over low heat until steaming, but do not boil.

2. Place the sugar cubes on a flameproof perforated ladle. Carefully light the glogg with a long match; low blue flames will dance on the surface (be careful of face, hair, and hands). Hold the ladle with the sugar over the pan, and use a second ladle to scoop up the burning glogg and pour it over the sugar. Continue until the sugar melts into the pan. Put out the fire by covering the pan with a lid. (If you do not wish to light the glogg, the sugar can be added to the pan with the spices, and stirred until dissolved.)

3. Serve glogg very warm in small cups with a few almonds and raisins in each.

Yield: 5 1/2 cups (10-12 servings).

HIGH-OCTANE GLOGG
Time: 10 minutes

1 quart aquavit
2 bottles inexpensive dry red wine
1 bottle ruby port
5 tablespoons sugar
4 cardamom pods
12 whole cloves
12 allspicberries
1 cinnamon stick
1 cup blanched, slivered almonds
1 cup golden raisins

Combine all ingredients but almonds and raisins in large enameled or stainless steel pot. Bring slowly to a simmer, stirring to dissolve sugar, and heat just until liquid starts to steam, about 10 minutes. To serve, place a couple of almonds and raisins each in small cups and ladle glogg over.

Yield: 1 gallon.

The first recipe was adapted from Jan Wickstrom, executive chef to the Swedish consul general. Remember that Wikings, as the word is pronounced in Norway (or Norge, as they spell it on their postal stamps), had a lot of practice drinking until the government put a clamp on all things alcoholic.

The word "berserk" is a Norwegian adjective, "berserker" is a Viking term, and Vikings were Norwegian, Swedish, and Danish. They went berserk in the summertime, too, when they tried to drink to get to sleep during the midsummer when there wasn't much nighttime. More Icelanders are alcoholics than any other nationality. Too far north. You don't hear about Laplanders being alcoholics, but that may be because they have only reindeer, and they keep moving about, and stills are too cumbersome to pack onto reindeer as the North People travel hither, thither, and yon.

Caution: Fire is dangerous in the hands of folks who have had a few slugs of glogg. Have a fire extinguisher ready or invite a fireman to the party. He'll know what to do in case of rash behavior.

Remember to say "Skol!" before your first sip. The glass is raised high as the wish is cried out. There's a long o in "Skol." It rhymes with "shoal." Glasses are not thrown against the fireplace. That's English.

Re:Glogg

[Anonymous Coward]

This country was founded on money, asshat. Taxation without representation. Not values, not religious freedom, not anything but cold hard cash.

Re:Glogg

[YU Nicks NE Way]

By the time one reaches my age, one typically has a number of friends who were sober, but still becamse casualties of drunk drivers.

Re:Glogg

[Ajmuller]

Very similar to what I use, but port is expensive. I use muscatel or similar cheap wines. I generally leave out the rasins and the almonds. And I Always use fresh orange peel. It's very good like that. The recipie I use also has alot more sugar.

Caution: Fire is dangerous in the hands of folks who have had a few slugs of glogg. Have a fire extinguisher ready or invite a fireman to the party. He'll know what to do in case of rash behavior.
Beyond funny. Your grandma wrote you this?

Re:Glogg

[Frank T. Lofaro Jr.]

Linux kernel patches, of course.

Re:Glogg

[sp0rk173]

Well, I'm not sure what country you live in, but to deny belonging to it based simply on the actions of individuals that you have no control over is a little harsh. Part of dealing with reality, and in turn improving it, is laughing at it. By laughing at an absurd situation, you acknowledge that it is indeed absurd. Bringing the absurdity into focus you can then say, "ok, that's really lame, I *personally* and as an *individual* choose not to be like that."

It's the principal behind social commentary. It's also a tool in formal logic, called reduction to the absurd - showing how something is not logical by showing it's absurdity. We can all hold hands and pretend that this is a great world and that families never argue or bicker, or we can accept it as part of current reality and do what we can to fix it in our own lives. Personally, I choose the latter approach.

THAT is *my* country.

Re:Glogg

[Frank T. Lofaro Jr.]

We celebrate Christmas time at 12 AM PACIFIC time here on Slashdot.

The East Coast has the political capital of the country, the West has the technological capital - let us keep that!

Re:Glogg

[Anonymous Coward]

Maybe a drink or two might loosen up your tight ass.

If you don't like what you read here, don't fucking read it, retard.

Re:Glogg

[zakezuke]

JESUS WAS BORN IN MARCH! CHRISTMAS IS A PAGAN HOLIDAY!

It wouldn't shock me if Jesus was born in March. I believe I spoke of that when in Catholic School. I got hit by a ruler. Not only are dates near the winter solstice common among many cultures, I believe it was an excellent political move to celebrate the birth of Jesus on a holiday that was already in practice.

One of the benefits of the commercialization of Christmas is the fact that one of the important sermons of Jesus can be observed by all, "All men are brothers, love thy neighbor". You don't have to believe in Jesus or even Santa Claus to respect that one time a year many people wish the best for each other regardless. Truth is truth whether it's wrapped in dogma or a white fluffy beard. And perhaps if one day people can set aside their differences we will remember it's actually very nice.

And fuck, someone remind me of this tomorrow.

Re:Glogg

[lack1uster]

OMFG! Knock it off, please. Unless these are jokes that have gone on for way too many posts, you're a complete idiot. You really should lighten up, and nobody gives a shit about your country, or what you believe to be the ideals of your country.

Re:Glogg

[DrEasy]

I can't believe you got flamed and judged, just because you were sharing good memories and a delicious sounding mulled drink recipe... Cheers and Merry Christmas!

Re:Glogg

[Kenshin]

Aquavit?
Oh my GOD, don't remind me of that horrbile stuff...

Re:Glogg

[jericho4.0]

I just returned home from an evening out with some friends. I have had 4 or 5 drinks this evening, on other evenings, I've had more. I have also smoked some pot tonight. I have not driven. I have not beaten my girlfriend, or participated in any violence at all.

Not takeing responsiblity for your actions causes 'consequences' to society, not ethanol or any other chemical.

Christmas might have come from the celebration of Christs birth, but in my life, it's about friends and family and fun. Drinking is fun. Driving drunk is fun also, but only it has consequences.

Merry Christmas all.

Re:Glogg

[iamnotacrook]

What has Norwegian to do with this problem? Its a worldwide issue. And I apologize sir, if you are offended but you offenze is minor compared to the millions of deaths caused by your "resoonsible" consumption.

Re:Glogg

[jericho4.0]

OK dude, after reading your posts here, and your other posts on /. (80% of which are from today), I would just like to say;

chill

Many of us are idiots, have a poor sense of humor, or voted for Bush.

What is your country, BTW? Because no one's going to buy 'America' with your grammer. :-)

Re:Glogg

[klevin]

The traditional anise flavor can be a bit much. However, context is always important. That, and make sure you leave it in the freezer overnight.

I was introduced to aquavit by my grandfather (bedstefar), who was from Denmark (well, Bornholm, which ended up as Danish territory). I can't remember a single family gathering at their house that didn't end with at least a few toasts and aquavit. Don't even think about having smorgasboard without beer and aquavit. Man, just thinking about the rye bread, pickled herring, smoked ham, pickled onion, beer, aquavit and conversation has me salivating.

Re:Glogg

[Curtman]

as a rule, store 2-3 extra bottles in the car when you visit a party, you can never be sure who will show up

Take a cab to the party please. I don't want to die on Christmas.

Re:Glogg

[jericho4.0]

Fuck off. I respect your beliefs, but your preachy atittude in this and other posts is really fucking anoying. I'm not celebrating the birth of your saviour, I'm having a glass of scotch and going to bed. I'm sorry that pisses you off, but you'll be a lot happier with the world if you can still see me as a 'good' person, rather than some heathen wallowing in booze.

Re:Glogg

[vhold]

^$^@#%!@#%^

The one, and nearly only thing, I miss about living in the midwest are those absolutely magic moments in fresh snow... Although I only actually went sleigh riding once, and caroling a few times... those memories are so deeply etched in my mind, I somewhat feel that raising children without similar experiences is a kind of crime.

Changing topics suddenly, has anybody else felt that something about the bitter cold makes people friendlier? Many of my memories of people being unexpectedly friendly and myself performing totally random acts of kindness are tied to frigid cold conditions. I really feel there is some kind of deep rooted response to helping others through a cold winter that is a strong part of the human pysche.

Re:Glogg

[Afrosheen]

He said store them in the car, not open and drink them in the car whilst lighting a cigarette and putting on lipstick.

I'd like to think most of us slashdotters have the sense to not drive drunk.

Re:Glogg

[Afrosheen]

That reminds me of a funny thing an ex girlfriend said before. She had a crappy 1987 Mustang LX that I ended up pushing to start all the time because it had a myriad of problems. She got the car through an uncle who was a used car salesman.

On Christmas, her family was together drinking and eating and singing songs. Her uncle came up to her and asked, "so, how is your car?". She replied with a smile, "oh, it's a piece of crap and I hate it." It was so quick and well timed I couldn't help but laugh out loud. Ahh, speaking your mind to shady relatives, that's worth at least 20 points.

Re:Glogg

[gl4ss]

it's not necessary, but it's still fun. like it or not, alcohol IS a drug like substance that, like it or not, makes some people feel "good"(very good, makes some people have more fun by being more social too). it's not necessary to eat meat but most people enjoy it still. it's not necessary to eat shitloads of pork during the christmas holidays, yet it is still fun and makes you feel good. it's not necessary to eat a big fat steak every now and then but it makes you feel good. it's not necessary to spend $$$(that you could donate or whateer) on downhill skiing but it too makes you feel good. a whole lot of things aren't necesary but they bring that lil bit of extra spice to life to make it worth living! (fyi there was a prohibition for a while in finland where torvalds is from - it didnt work)

Re:Glogg

[telekon]

The traditional anise flavor can be a bit much.

Anise? No, no, no. Aquavit is caraway-flavoured. Did your grandpa slip you absinthe, perchance?

Re:Glogg

[Anonymous Coward]

Good Glogg! ...oh, get over it! Someone had to say it!

Re:Glogg

[zakezuke]

This country was founded on money, asshat. Taxation without representation. Not values, not religious freedom, not anything but cold hard cash.

America was colonized by a various people including those interested in religious freedom. Our government was founded on money and ideals. It would be accurate to say our country was founded on money and God which is why we have on our cash "In God We Trust". I wish sometimes that we were founded on religious ideals rather than ideology.

There are those who believe they should this day wish a Mary Christmas to all *good* people rather than all people.

Re:Glogg

[Anonymous Coward]

Perhaps you should remember that there are quite a few people in the world who feel that the story of Jesus is nothing more than a ridiculous fairy tale, much like Santa Claus. The winter solstice had been a time of celebration for centuries before you people started claiming that it was "your" holiday.

You can celebrate whatever you like, however you like, and that's fine, but don't you dare tell me how I should celebrate the solstice. I leave my beliefs out of your holiday, so you keep your damned Jesus out of mine.

Re:Glogg

[chefren]

Absinthe? No, no, no. Real absinthe has wormwood in it and is therefore outlawed in most countries. *Pernod* has the wormwood substituted with anise.

Here is one recipe (Bluehouse Recipe):
1.5 oz Wormwood
1/3 oz Hyssop
1/3 oz Calamus Root
1/8 oz Fennel Seed
1 tsp Mint *
1 tsp cloves *
1 tsp coriander *
1/2 tsp Nutmeg *

Don't forget the to soak the stuff in some strong alcohol before you drink it :)

Re:Glogg

[chefren]

The ingredients marked with an asterisk are optional and you *can* of course add some anise or sugar syrup to make it less nasty. Place vodka in large jar with tight fitting lid. Add wormwood and shake well; steep 48 hrs and strain out. Crush seeds and pods in mortar. Add them and all remaining spices to vodka and steep in a warm place 1 week. Filter and drink.

Re:Glogg

[Anonymous Coward]

good good, then let's go back to the pagan tradition that the xtians destroyed by creating there xmas. let's restore the tradition!

Re:Glogg

[Anonymous Coward]

Aquavit is caraway-flavoured.

Not always.

Re:Glogg

[Paiway]

The word "berserk" is a Norwegian adjective, "berserker" is a Viking term, and Vikings were Norwegian, Swedish, and Danish. They went berserk in the summertime, too, when they tried to drink to get to sleep during the midsummer when there wasn't much nighttime. The word "berserk" or "bärsärk" in Swedish comes from the words "bär" which meant bear(not anymore, now it's björn), and the work "särk" which means skin or shirt. They were called "bärsärk" because that was what they often wore; shirt made out of bear skin. Other sources imply that "bärsärk" means "bare shirt", ie that they fought wearing nothing but a shirt. Which one is true? You'll have to decide for yourself.

Re:Glogg

[felis_panthera]

I'm not celebrating the birth of your saviour

that's okay... neither are they

Re:Glogg

[BobFunk]

Don't forget insane amounts of food!

Re:Glogg

[ocelotbob]

Most of the people here know the risks of alcohol and take steps to mitigate it. I don't drink very often; I had a double shot of peppermint liquour today and that'll last me a good 2-3 months. When I do drink socially, I know that I'm in no condition to drive and will take steps to make sure that I don't have to. Most people here act similarly. Thus, save your sermon for the pulpit, otherwise, you are acting like an ass.

Re:Glogg

[sl4shd0rk]

The dysfunctional family gathering.

Re:Glogg

[ocelotbob]

If you're ever in the LA area, email me or something, I'll buy you a drink. You showed what's a fundamental flaw in too many societies today. One can be responsible and still partake in vices; there are times when one can let their hair down, provided they know they have some self control and put limits ahead of time of what they will and won't do. To do so otherwise just invites yourself trouble.

Re:Glogg

[Carewolf]

One important detail is that you don't use regular raisins. You should use rum-raisins. Basically you put raisins in a bottle and fill it with rum and let them sit there for at least a couple of _weeks_ preferably months. The result is rum-raisins and one of the most important ingredients in Gløgg.

Re:Glogg

[spitefulcrow]

"In God We Trust" was added in 1908. The Pledge of Allegiance wasn't written until the 1950s. Let's see, what else... Oh yeah, the Constitution was written and the Revolution was driven by a small wealthy elite interested in maintaining and expanding their wealth and property. Religion had nothing to do with it.

Re:Glogg

[Anonymous Coward]

I used to wonder about the point of drinking, then one night I got together with some mates and we drank a couple of cartons. I found out that more than anything, drinking is a social thing. I don't drink alone, there's no point in it. As you drink, alcohol loosens your inhibitions and makes your conversations more lively and interesting. Most people become happy and everyone's out for a good time.

Last night was christmas eve, and I went down to the town that I attended high school at. Every year on christmas eve, everyone goes to a pub there. I saw friends I haven't seen for years and caught up with some that I don't see as often as I'd like to. There must have been a thousand people there... so many people that the party poured out of the front bar and into the street. It was a great time and I only wish that I'd rocked up earlier.

When I started drinking I didn't know how to handle piss and I often ended up getting paralytic and vomiting. (But not before a great time was had!) The aftermath of going hard like that isn't pleasant and because of that, I now know my limits and can handle my piss - I know how much I can drink and can tell when I'm having too much so I can pace myself.

Really, lighten up. Alcohol isn't evil, it's the uneducated fucktards who drink that are evil. They're the people that drink until they vomit or get angry and start fighting or the ones that drink and drive. More than anything, they lack self-discipline. Self-discipline is the key to enjoying the intoxicating effect of alcohol.

Re:Glogg

[Anonymous Coward]

Drinking alcohol is not wrong. Jesus first miracle turned water into very fine wine. Jesus drank wine the night of his birth. What is wrong is drinking to the point of losing control of your thinking ability. When you no longer act yourself.

Christmas is _not_ about the birth of the savior. It was a political move by a Catholic Pope centuries ago, to bring non-believers into watered-down, apostate christianity, thereby not only swelling church membership, but his coffers. Christmas never had anything to do with the Christ, but everything to do with hedonism.

I now leave you to your celebration of the Saturnalia.

Re:Glogg

[Anonymous Coward]

Actually, I think that the Pledge may have existed before the 1950s. The phrase "under God, " was added to the Pledge in the 1950s.

Re:Glogg

[bamberg]

t would be accurate to say our country was founded on money and God which is why we have on our cash "In God We Trust".

It certainly wasn't founded on any god, which explains why the word "god" doesn't appear in the Constitution. The Treaty of Tripoli further clarifies the issue with regards to the christian religion in article 11, which begins "As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,..."

I wish sometimes that we were founded on religious ideals rather than ideology.

Which religion? I certainly wouldn't tolerate living in a country based on any of the Abrahamic religions. Buddhism might be nice.

There are those who believe they should this day wish a Mary Christmas to all *good* people rather than all people.

For their own definition of "good", I'm sure. How nice.

Re:Glogg

[bheading]

I'm an atheist so I don't believe in your "saviour" mumbo jumbo or made-up deities. However, I can't see how Christ would have approved of Christmas. It's all about gluttony and apart from anything else it brings out the worst taste in everyone.

Re:Glogg

[Anonymous Coward]

Hail Satan!!

Re:Glogg

[Woy]

I had a white christmas and it never snows around here.

Re:Glogg

[asdfghjklqwertyuiop]

As you celebrate the birth of the savior reflect on this please.

We aren't celebrating the birth of your "savior". We are celebrating the shortest day of the year and the end of the darkness (yule tide), the coming of spring and rebirth of nature (guess what the tree with color spheres all over it represents) and many other things.

Since these were primary pagan holidays, the celebration of Christ's birth was added to the mix on this day hundreds of years after his birth happened since they couldn't let all that attention being drawn to the pagan celebrations...

Re:Glogg

[asdfghjklqwertyuiop]

Alcahol cause more consequences to society than anything from these attitudes.

I'd say people with fascist attitudes who wish to ram their moral beliefs down everyone else's throats cause far more consequences to society than alcohol.

Re:Glogg

[zsau]

I dunno... maybe it's that Glögg doesn't work in summer, but I tried some recently and was less then impressed, as were the other people who work with me at the Sweden Shop of an Ikea in Australia. (Julmust, on the other hand, is good.)

Re:Glogg

[Anonymous Coward]

No wonder you slashdotters never get laid.

Speak for yourself. Oh, you were?

Re:Glogg

[Anonymous Coward]

We have "In God we trust" on our money because the founders wanted to say that we still believe in God, even though we chose to remove God from our government.

Re:Glogg

[rdnk]

That must be one of the most insightful comments I've read here for a long time.

Re:Glogg

[hesiod]

WOW, Thanks for informing me that he has killed millions! I will inform the authorities about our MASSIVELY murderous /.er.

resoonsible? Can you try just a BIT?

Re:Glogg

[BalkanBoy]

Well, amen to that.. because you just reminded me of an small incident I had while I lived in Orlando, FL.. Went out with a good friend of mine for a night out in downtown Orlando, bar hopping clubbing etc, and the little fucker didn't just drink profusely, but also split a ruffie with someone else... Bad mistake. Then we all had to ride with him back to his house, which is where I parked my car.. Bad mistake #2.

The guy could barely drive. I don't even know how he came to terms with himself that he could drive, and while we were driving down on Colonial Dr, he tried to change lanes.. but he was soooo out of it that he side swiped a vehicle next to him. At this point, I knew we're in deep shit, but what are you going to do? I was shitting bricks... I offered up to drive us all back before he even set foot in the car, but he indignantly refused (I dont know if this is common for drunk people, or his breed - he's palestinian - or some other bullshit, but it wasn't funny at all) saying he can drive and that he didn't want me driving his new '98 camry (at the time)...

To top the evening off, as I was fixing to leave his house, he leaned on the back of my Tercel with his big ass and dented it! Fortunately I was able to push the dent out without any damage... But this really put me over the top. Everysince then, I sort of stopped going out with him.. We would hang out still, but this just really left me with a bad aftertaste.

Luckily no one was hurt.. but who is to say I wasn't on the verge of death or a major fucking accident that night? I've seen people who survived bad accidents.. It's like looking at a recovering heroin addict.. constant pain and reminders of what it can be like.

I could just go on and on.. but if at least one person reads this - it'll be worth my while typing it up - don't, even if you are superintelligent,supereducated, a damn Hawking/Einstein type of IQ - EVER drink (more than you're supposed to) & drive, or worse, leave your fate to someone who you know very little about when he or she's under influence of alcohol...

The ensuing drama to your life that follows bad car accidents just isn't worth it, I'm telling you.

Take care.

downloaded earlier but

[Anonymous Coward]

but how do I get libata to work sigh

Woozy Numbat?

[Anonymous Coward]

Are you sure that is not Noozy Wumbat?

Changelog

[Mad Merlin]

Don't forget about the changelog. It weighs in at a meaty 1.5 megs this time.

Re:Changelog

[setagllib]

Yeah, why did the post say "minimal changes?"

I find this to be one of the bigger leaps in 2.6, at least in that a new direction is coming out (let's excuse 2.6.6->.8 which had some disruptive/big changes we all know about). They're cleaning out deprecated driver code and making things more abstract, and also finally PCMCIA is split into its relevant sub-drivers (you'll know if you configure it; but note that your old config will NOT include PCMCIA when you just copy it over). I think this is a good step forward.

Another big change is that -march=pentium[234] is no longer used, but -march=i686 with -mtune (however I did NOT see mtune in action while building, so there might be an oops). This is because of gcc's bugs actually, but I like it more this way for other reasons.

I have now taken to building one kernel for two machines as I used to, in my BSD way, so as to save maintainance and re-emering sources all the time. Build once, install everywhere.

This is a good release, I like seeing that Linux 2.6 is finally going somewhere good. Now let's see some attempts at security and supporting all the ports, not just the fun ones.

Re:Changelog

[cpeterso]

why did the post say "minimal changes?"

He said "minimal changes since the last release candidate, 2.6.10-rc3." And if Linus actually practiced SANE release management, there would be ZERO changes between the final RC and the real release.

Re:Changelog

[setagllib]

Even that has quite a few changes... but yes, why call it a 'release candidate' if it has no chance of being the release? It's like having presidential candidates just advertise guys who could become the president.

I think Linux should use a CVS system like the BSDs, so you can keep a real-time track of the source tree and do away with the need for point releases every few weeks or so. Notice that the BSDs release a couple of times a year, but with CVS[up] they stay updated. And in the -stable branches they actually [gasp] make sure things work before committing them!

Re:Changelog

[raxx7]

He does, it's called BitKeeper.
You can download the current 2.6 kernel with:
bk clone bk://linux.bkbits.net/linux-2.5

However, some people refuse to use it because it's not Free Software and has some licencing issues.

Also, Linus decided to go ahead without the previous two tree system. So, until there is any major changes requiring the split, 2.6 will be both the stable and development tree.

So, you still need point in time releases, both for users and to developers who don't want to use BitKeeper.

Re:Changelog

[setagllib]

So what you're saying is, I'm still entirely right because they lack CVS, but they just happen to provide something the desperate can use? Thanks, good to see you agree with me.

A branch cannot be stable and development at once, that's stupid. The closest that comes to this is DragonFly which has a careful engineering cycle which includes a tagging of 'stable' in the tree every time the whole system seems to work fine, usually /after/ a period of system instability brought on by a new subsystem. It works for them because typically only a few disruptive things happen at a time, and the developers are worryingly skilled. Neverthless these are NOT two branches, these are like point 'releases' in CVS instead of tarballs.

Hey, a unified GNU + linux utilities base package, with CVS access and a trimmed glibc (nobody needs 90% of that code), would really get it to a BSD status.

Imagine instead of copying out your .config, removing the old tree, unpacking/emerging a new one, then copying in the .config, make menuconfig to fill in the blanks, and have to build basically from scratch... you just cvs -zX up -dP from a 'linux' directory that isn't even a symlink, and carry on building. It probably is like this with the BK interface (but then I don't know), but the software/license itself is dubious. Tip: Don't talk to me about patching every time, that involves opening a browser or predicting a URL. If you have to do either of these to keep a base system component up to date, the system is flawed.

Re:Changelog

[raxx7]

There are BK->CVS and BK->SVN gateways too, for your convenience.

Well, indeed you can't have a tree that's both stable and unstable as the previous Linux kernel trees were. I just misexpressed myself.
Linus liked the way things turned out for 2.6 and decided to develop it away until something disruptive enough to require a 2.7 tree shows up.

Christmas Present

[Anonymous Coward]

Thank you Linus!

old news

[tblake]

Got it about 2 hours ago, already running it :-)

Re:old news

[InfinityBuffer]

And while your running it, im lazily waiting on the Fedora guys so i can apt-get it.

I know its OT but ...

[Phiu-x]

Merry XMas to all!!! :)

Re:I know its OT but ...

[drakethegreat]

Nothing like spending christmas day configuring and compiling a new kernel!

Re:I know its OT but ...

[Scrameustache]

Merry XMas to all!!! :)

Joyeux Noël!

Re:I know its OT but ...

[Anonymous Coward]

But I'm JEWISH you insensitive clod!!!!

Let me be the first to say...

[c.r.o.c.o]

...that I _JUST_ installed 2.6.9 yesterday. I never learn, if I decide to upgrade kernels, I should do it RIGHT after it's released. Who cares it may nuke my system, at least I won't have to recompile it 24 hours later. *grin*

Re:Let me be the first to say...

[Anonymous Coward]

Got 2.6.9 yesterday? Same happened with me. :)

Re:Let me be the first to say...

[Pflipp]

You should've expected Santa Linus, it IS Christmas after all. I personally kind of planned for this and plan to install it with reiser4 to play with.

Re:Let me be the first to say...

[Rhone]

Strange... you make it sound like you feel as if you have to upgrade your kernel as soon as a new version is released, but at the same time you make it sound like you always end up upgrading your kernel late (i.e. right before the next version comes out).

But seriously, if you waited as long as you did to upgrade to 2.6.9, why do you feel like you have to upgrade to 2.6.10 as soon as it's out?

Re:Let me be the first to say...

[oliverthered]

ohhh, 2.6.9 isn't a nice kernel, it's had a profiler tweak that screws up wine and cedega.

I don't like to touch a stream kernel for at least a few builds after the unstabalise it with a new 'feature'. How long did it take for the VM changes in 2.4 to calm down?

Re:Let me be the first to say...

[c.r.o.c.o]

But seriously, if you waited as long as you did to upgrade to 2.6.9, why do you feel like you have to upgrade to 2.6.10 as soon as it's out?

I was just kidding about compiling 2.6.10 right away. It's hard finding a kernel and ATI drivers that work together, so I will stick with 2.6.9 untill ATI releases new drivers.

Re: [OT] Glogg

[Mick Ohrberg]

Mmmm, glögg is the stuff dreams are made of. Loaded with sugar and spices. The alcohol free version is very good, and excellent at warming you up, as you're sitting around a bonfire in the sub arctic winter night (I was born and raised in northern Sweden). The alcohol version is more fun! And yes, glögg is reminiscent of glühwein.

Safety tip

[lheal]

Don't forget to compile in the designated driver.

Figures...

[Anonymous Coward]

I download 2.6.9 on thursday night (through friday morning) on a dialup connection and *this* happens. :o)

Oh, well. Merry Christmas!

Re:Figures...

[Anonymous Coward]

> I download 2.6.9 on thursday night (through friday morning) on a dialup connection and *this* happens. :o)

1) Ever hear of patches? Jeez, you script kiddies just waste of bandwidth.
2) If your system does anything that requires stability, which I doubt, it's not wise to upgrade to the latest kernel *right after* it's released.

Re:Figures...

[setagllib]

If the changelog was right, 2.6.9 would have had a lot of "this patch breaks X" and 2.6.10 would have "fixes X again". I know a lot of people having flake-outs with 2.6.9 that are indulging in 2.6.10's very good stability. Realistically Linux 2.6 rarely gets worse from one version to the next, barring some 'oops'es that often come up very quickly so any users can downgrade again without much uptime.

You can easily dual-boot between an old and new kernel and simply fall back on the old one if you have problems with a new one. If you're running even a redundant cluster of servers this should be painless, the only problem occurs if you rely on a single server (in which case you're just asking for these problems).

MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!

[daskalou]

From all in Australia, hope you have a safe and happy XMAS, to you and your families!!! :)

Re:MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!

[WankersRevenge]

Back at you, daskalou from all your neighbors in the USA. Specifically, Boston, Mass. We raise our glasses to you and your families as well :)

Re:Special Ed says:

[Ajmuller]

You have been drinking too much glogg. Way too much.
** Your invited to stay the nite if you are unable to drive home. **

Warning: bad pun incoming

[LGagnon]

Well, this just goes to show Linux isn't 100% perfect: Even with all the great programs for Linux, even Linus sometimes needs to use WINE for something. :) /ducks fanboys and humorless mods

Re:Warning: bad pun incoming

[DarkHelmet]

Someone needs to make a Linux emulator on Windows called "BLOW".

Re:Warning: bad pun incoming

[fvbommel]

BLOW's Linux On Windows?

Re:Warning: bad pun incoming

[setagllib]

I could argue Linux isn't even >=20% perfect, since its most optimal code is just in scheduling. Read the driver sources and try that post again.

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Re:Special Ed says:

[Anonymous Coward]

LOL

come upstairs and open your presents

[c01100011]

. . . .not now mom i am compiling my kernel . . . .

lucky me, since i do it the debian way i will be done before they finish the stocking stuffers. . .

Re:come upstairs and open your presents

[colmore]

or you could just track debian stable and not worry about 2.6 kernels for *years*

Re:come upstairs and open your presents

[Epidemical]

Yeah, if you do it the Gentoo way it won't be done until next year :P

Re:come upstairs and open your presents

[Freultwah]

. . . .not now mom i am compiling my kernel . . . .

Stop doing that, you'll go blind!

Re:come upstairs and open your presents

[Anonymous Coward]

"lucky me, since i do it the debian way..."

Translation: I've shaved my testicles, eaten a jar of peanut butter and sexually assaulted the family cat.

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Re:Jesus was born in march

[humuhumunukunukuapu']

Yes Jesus was born in the spring or early summer.

In the time of Jesus it wasn't exactly kosher to be Christian. Christmas was celebrated very early on in December under the cover of other holidays, some Pagan some I forget the details of. The tradition stuck. It was made official in 336AD when the pope decreed christmas was to be celebrated on 12/25 to offset a pagan holiday.

Re:Jesus was born in march

[morgan_greywolf]

The Christian holidays were moved around by one of the Roman emperors so that Christian holidays would coincide with the traditional pagan holidays. The idea was to get the pagans to convert to Christianity. Christmas, for example, was changed so that it would coincide with the Winter Solstice.

Yay!

[lasindi]

Well, we get a new version of the GIMP, and now a new version of Linux! I'm very pleased. I hope that 2.6.10 does multitasking a little better. I've found that 2.6.9 gives a few too many CPU cycles to demanding processes (thereby slowing down the mouse cursor and music and other stuff that I wish wouldn't be affected by something like compiling a program). Anybody else have such experiences? lasindi

Re:Yay!

[bcmm]

Adjust the priority of demanding processes then.
"man nice" for more information.
I update Gentoo with "nice -n 19 emerge --update whatever" at a very low priority, and that allows me to browse the web, listen to music. even play opengl games while my machine is compiling the latest stable Firefox.

Also, I am listening to music right now, and compiling the Gimp without any change in priorities. I am using kernel 2.6.9-gentoo-r1, which is supposed to be patched to give fewer processor cycles to background stuff. It's not enough for 3d games or screensavers, but Firefox and XMMS are running fine, the music only skipping when emerge does source unpacking (tar).

Re:Yay!

[Anonymous Coward]

Yes, ever since I downgraded to IDE.

It's too bad decent-sized SCSI disks are so expensive.

(Yeah, one of these days I'll put my SCSI disk back in for the OS, and just keep my files on the big IDE guy. In my copious free time.)

New year new kernel

[kokoko1]

After releasing 2.6.10 what next? new kernel series 2.7.x ? when kernel team going to abondoned 2.4.x series ? cheers

Re:New year new kernel

[SPY_jmr1]

*sighs* 2.6.11-rc1.... then 2.6.12.... then.... 2.4 is onto what, 29? 10 != "THEEND" (generic holiday salutaion)

Re:New year new kernel

[DarkTempes]

2.7 has been out as a while (ever since 2.5 turned into 2.6 came out afaik), but of course unless you're a real linux fanatic you wouldn't use it wanna know why? ;p the odd numbers are basically development/test branches and extremely unstable. when 2.7 is done with development it'll become 2.8 (sometime in mid-2005 i think is the plan)

Re:New year new kernel

[Anonymous Coward]

Abandon 2.4?! I'm still using 2.2 here with my Debian.

Re:New year new kernel

[1lus10n]

2005 ? eh ? Last I heard it was 2006. I don't think they are going to bump up to 2.8 that quick since it took them 3 years to go from 2.4 to 2.6 and from what I have heard they are planning some major subsystem re-writes.

Of course I admitedly dont follow the LKML like religion so I might be a little behind on info. (still dont think a 1.5 year turnaround is the target ....)

Re:New year new kernel

[MikeCapone]

2.7 has been out as a while

Are you sure of that? I'm fairly sure from what I've read at kerneltrap.org that 2.7 hasn't branched into 2.7 yet, and it's not on kernel.org either... But maybe I missed something.

Re:New year new kernel

[m50d]

No, 2.7 hasn't branched off yet. That's why 2.6 is still unstable. I'm sticking with 2.4 until it does.

Re:New year new kernel

[Jugalator]

If 2.6 is unstable, what was 2.5 for / why isn't it called 2.5?

Re:New year new kernel

[m50d]

If I was in charge of releasing, it would still be 2.5. I think it's 2.6 because it's sort of beta rather than alpha, many drivers are unstable but they're not going to get rid of IDE support halfway through the tree.

Re:New year new kernel

[MacJedi]

2.6 is officially the stable kernel tree, however 2.7 has not branched yet. Therefore new features are still going into 2.6 rather than just bugfixes. I'm not entirely sure why Linus is doing this, except perhaps that he wishes 2.6 to aquire more features first. As it is, many users are waiting for 2.7 to branch before switching over. So what's in a name, eh?

Re:New year new kernel

[SilverspurG]

Dude. You may be an ubergeek... but you're still a 'tard.

"which he named the 'Woozy Numbat.'"

[shakezula]

Did he mean Wooldoor Sockbat?

Re:"which he named the 'Woozy Numbat.'"

[0racle]

I think he had already hit the GlÃgg pretty good when they named this one.

Re:"which he named the 'Woozy Numbat.'"

[Anonymous Coward]

I thought he said "Woolly Nutbag"

Re:"which he named the 'Woozy Numbat.'"

[liangzai]

"GlÃgg" is of course "Glögg" in UTF-8 viewed as ISO-8859-1. It cracks me up to see how unable the Linux community (and Slashdot) is to cope with anything but ASCII and its immediate extensions.

Re:Jesus was born in march

[Anonymous Coward]

Exactly. It was all marketing to compete with the celebration of Winter Solstice.

Remember, Religion is a business. It sells hope.

weeeeeee

[Anonymous Coward]

I for one welcome our new woozy numbat overlords.

Merry Christmas! (in Soviet Russia too)

Working fine on my x86_64

[tomstdenis]

Just chiming in to say 2.6.10 works fine on my amd64 box [using tulip network, alsa/cmpci sound, nvidia video, reiserfs disk, have most I2C/I2O turned on, using NFS for network shares, etc...]. ;-)

Tom

Re:Working fine on my x86_64

[Anonymous Coward]

shut up

Re:Working fine on my x86_64

[Anonymous Coward]

Works very well on X86_32 as well (I'm typing to you with "Linux localhost.localdomain 2.6.10 #1 Sat Dec 25 00:58:21 MST 2004 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux"). I use accelerated Nvidia drivers on FC3. Runs like a clock.

Re:Working fine on my x86_64

[Anonymous Coward]

I got a black screen with X using NVIDIA's 1.0-6629 drivers. The system could still be restarted with ctrl+alt+del, but nothing else worked.

If anyone else is having the same problem, there's some patches attached to a post at the nvnews forums that fixed it for me.

Re:Working fine on my x86_64

[tomstdenis]

Um, any odd options in your X config or /etc/ dir?

I've been using the nvidia drivers for the longest while and the only problem I've had was the 4K stack issue.

Also have you recompiled your nvidia drivers for the new kernel?

Tom

don't worry

[emmons]

It hasn't changed enough to matter.

Make grub even easier to use

[fo0bar]

For those who don't know (I didn't until recently, and was doing everything manually), when you do "make install", make copies the bzImage into /boot/vmlinuz-VER-EXTRAVER, System.map into /boot/System.map-VER-EXTRAVER, and.config into /boot/config-VER-EXTRAVER.

THEN, it manages symlinks, pointing each respective base name to its newly copied version (IE, /boot/vmlinuz-VER-EXTRAVER to /boot/vmlinuz), it also takes the old symlinks and renames them to, for example, /boot/vmlinuz.old.

This way, I only have 2 linux-related grub images: an image pointing to the /boot/vmlinuz kernel symlink, and an image pointing to the /boot/vmlinuz.old kernel symlink, in case the newly installed kernel doesn't work.

Re:Make grub even easier to use

[jericho4.0]

For those who don't know, this is how is goes on Debian;

apt-get install kernel-tree-2.whatever
cd /usr/src/kernel-source-2.whatever
make config/xconfig/whatever
dpkg -i kernel-image-2.whatever

everything is either taken care of, or clearly warned about if you're doing something unusual....

Re:Make grub even easier to use

[Anonymous Coward]

everything is either taken care of, or clearly warned about if you're doing something unusual....

Including loading EVERY module at boot time in the initrd. Pffft-toooie.

Re:Make grub even easier to use

[jericho4.0]

True 'nuff. But at least there's a prompt sitting there for you to fix that with.

Re:Make grub even easier to use

[telekon]

For those who don't know, this is how is goes on Debian; apt-get install kernel-tree-2.whatever cd /usr/src/kernel-source-2.whatever make config/xconfig/whatever dpkg -i kernel-image-2.whatever

You forgot to 'make-kpkg buildpackage' before you went and installed that non-existent package with dpkg... I'm assuming you're going for a monolithic kernel here and thus dispensed with the pesky module compilation.

Re:Make grub even easier to use

[jericho4.0]

Actually, I forgot

#make kernel_image --revision=1.0

This produces a package, including image,modules, lilo configuration, etc, in the /usr/src directory.

My apologies to the masses who, seeing how easy my previous example was, ditched windows/BSD/OSX, installed Debian, and got stuck at step 4.

Re:Make grub even easier to use

[telekon]

Oh, right, you were using the kernel-tree deb... I always use the latest kernel.org source and make-kpkg.

I'm glad we cleared this up, though. I'd hate for those millions of people who spent xmas eve installing Debian based on your previous post to get stuck and not be able to check email bright and early on xmas morning!

Re:Special Ed says:

[Anonymous Coward]

it's so generous to supply you're house to the drunken /. miscreants!

OMG

[Anonymous Coward]

Shit, is it digitally signed?

Wonderful!

[zerocool^]

It's a good thing I wasn't busy. The turkey can marinate for another 24 hours, should do it good.

~Wx
(merry fucking whatever, everyone!)

Re:Wonderful!

[Soko]

(merry fucking whatever, everyone!)

D00d.

The proper BOFH greeting at this festive tim eof (yes, intentional) year is M. F. C..

Happy Holidays to you and yours, may you triumph over the lusers.

Soko

IBM Thinkpad APM Lockups

[Anonymous Coward]

I hope that it fixes some issues with APM and the Thinkpad T30 lockups

Of course

[T0t0r0_fan]

Of course it is signed.

PGP sig for the patch

Instructions

just in time for the festive season

[kzh]

and on the twelfth day of Christmas, Linus left for me... an upgrade for linux-2.60.10-rc3

Re:just in time for the festive season

[Anonymous Coward]

This isnt funny, until you actually sing it aloud.

Re:just in time for the festive season

[imroy]

2.60? Shit, Linus really should jump the numbering to 3.0! :)

Merry christmas from Australia.

Re:Jesus was born in march

[discogravy]

The pagan (to who?) holiday that was assimilated was Saturnalia/the winter solstice. See this article on saturnalia at wikipedia and this other article about christmas from same for more info on those.

Changelog size?

[WMD_88]

If you look at the size of the 2.6 changelogs: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/
They get larger every release. What gives?

Re:Changelog size?

[MikeCapone]

Not to be trollish, but the obvious answer is that they change and update lots of things...

Re:Changelog size?

[WMD_88]

No doubt they do; after all, they've been putting possible-2.7 stuff into 2.6 BUT...this doesn't account for the fact that...they just keep adding more each time?

The 2.6.1 log (148k IIRC) was bigger than any 2.4 log. But, it's ten times that now (2.6.10). Seems like an awful lot for a 0.0.1 change.

Re:Changelog size?

[MikeCapone]

I'd be curious to look at the date at which each of the 2.6.x kernels were released, and also at how the level of activity on 2.4.x decreased.. Maybe people just had more time to add stuff to 2.6.x lately, or they moved from working on 2.4.x to 2.6.x.. Or maybe it's just that recent changes have been on smaller things, making for bigger lists in changelogs, which at the beginning it was big things but that take fewer lines to write in the changelog.

All reasonable possibilities, IMO.

Re:Changelog size?

[m50d]

It's not being released as often as it used to. Also, the kernel itself is getting bigger - the number of changes per megabyte of kernel source per release may well be staying the same.

Re:Changelog size?

[xgamer04]

A lot of the current changelog size has to do with the adding of "SIGNED OFF BY: " lines, where the patch in question is signed by the original guy, then by the subsystem maintainer, all the way up. It was done to be able to track where code comes from better, in order to deter legal fiaSCOs.

Re:Missing demographic

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm Jewish, you insensitive clod!

Norwegian Countries?????

[calidoscope]

Perhaps you meant Scandinavian countries - or maybe you meant Norwegian counties as in, for example, parts of Nort Dakohta or Vashington. FWIW, Swedes outnumber Norwegians about 2:1 in Scandinavia, the ratio is probably less than that in the US.

It is very impolite to mix up Norwegians and Swedes, however crossbreeding is a whole nudder story.

The whole point of serving Glogg to non-scans is to prepare them for the Lutefisk and Gamleost.

Re:Norwegian Countries?????

[iamnotacrook]

Thank you I couldnt have put it better myself.

Re:Jesus was born in march

[dasunt]

Yes Jesus was born in the spring or early summer.

The reason why this is assumed is that the Gospels mention the shepards being in the fields with their flocks. This would have happened during the lambing season, which is the *tada* spring or early summer.

Oh, and he probably wasn't born in 1 BC. The best argument I've seen calls for a birthdate in about 6 BC, due to astronomical events, but even the 6 BC birthdate has to assume that a certain astronomical event (Halley's Comet) was the Star of Bethelhem, and it would contradict the chronology in the book of Luke.

Also, the date of Jesus's birth wasn't standardized for a few centuries and different groups of Christians used different dates for quite awhile.

This is a Numbat if you're wondering...

[Anonymous Coward]

Yes, you could have googled yourself, but here is a numbat.

Information from the first image results gives us:
Numbat
Myrmecobius fasciatus
Status: Vulnerable
The Numbat or Banded Anteater is Western Australia's fauna emblem. It used to be widespread across southern Australia but by 1980 only a few hundred animals remained in two populations in the South West. Widespread fox control and a captive breeding population at the Perth Zoo have seen the numbat back from the brink of extinction. They were reintroduced to Karakamia in 1994 and have taken up residence in the open woodland where plenty of hollow logs can be found. Numbats were found eucalypt forest, woodland, mulga and even desert areas. In forested areas they are often seen sheltering in hollow logs but in drier areas they also dig burrows. They feed exclusively on termites, up to 20 000 a day. They are one of the few marsupials that do not have a pouch, instead having stiff hairs. Numbats breed in January with up to 4 young which are transferred into a burrow from an early age.

cdrecord/k3b fixed?

[rsilvergun]

I've been far too lazy to check up on this. Was the stuff broke in 2.6.8 related to cd-recording fixed (you could only write as root, no matter what your perms were)?

Re:cdrecord/k3b fixed?

[robw810]

Still not working here - the only mention of 'cdrecord' in the changelog is this: [PATCH] Permit LOG_SENSE and LOG_SELECT in SG_IO command table This patch adds LOG_SENSE as a read-ok command. cdrecord-prodvd uses this. I also added LOG_SELECT as write-ok as this seems to fit in as well.

Re:cdrecord/k3b fixed?

[thinkninja]

Well, IIRC, I've been able to write CDs/DVDs as a user since 2.6.9, definitely with the 2.6.10 release candidates, but then I'm a CK user :)

Re:cdrecord/k3b fixed?

[Rebar]

k3b with 2.6.9 as a normal user works just fine for me, and k3b isn't setuid... However with 2.6.10-rc3-bk14 (bleeding edge nightly build of a few nights ago), the whole machine locked up hard when using k3b. Back to 2.6.9 and it works fine. Hmmm... hopefully something screwy with the nightly build only, or maybe my flakey hardware...

Re:cdrecord/k3b fixed?

[Rebar]

Whoops, too fast on the draw there. My cdrecord IS setuid root, so my previous reply is in fact useless since I'm burning as root but didn't know it. Sorry about that.

Re:cdrecord/k3b fixed?

[iabervon]

You might want to send in the strace of cdrecord not working for you to the mailing list; all of the known things from the 2.6.8 breakage have been fixed, so it will probably never work on your hardware unless you report it.

Re:Jesus was born in march

[io333]

In the time of Jesus it wasn't exactly kosher to be Christian.

Um, Mr. Mod? Just what exactly drinking when you bumped this as "informative?"

Patch

[MikeCapone]

You can download just the patch to go from 2.6.9 to 2.6.10, y'know. On dialup that'll save you a lot of time, and that'll save Kernel.org some bandwidth (not that they are short on that).

Re:Jesus was born in march

[secretsquirel]

I'm gonna guess egg nog.

on the fiifth day of Christmas,

[Herr_Nightingale]

my internet gave to me
five spambot virii,
four porno graphics,
three smiley faces :)
two free-after-rebate sweaters,
an anti-spam robot
and an update to the source tree

Sweet!

[secretsquirel]

Now all of us who don't partake in the christmas festivities can celibrate Dec. 25th too!

We can just celibrate the kernels birthday!

Re:Jesus was born in march

[jericho4.0]

And the Winter Soltice, that I just finished celebrating with a bunch of friends in my rural mountain hippie town, is a far better reason to celebrate, in my book.

Think about it; From that day on, the days get longer. How cool is that, for us northen types, at least?

Re:Missing demographic

[shoolz]

I know we're already OT... For all of those wishing to know about the Jewish faith/nation/religion, check out http://www.jewfaq.org

This site helped me immensley in the beginning of my relationship with a Jewish woman.

Oh... and to address the post... when somebody says "merry Christmas" and you're not Christian... just return the sentiment. Be happy that you're being included.

I don't get pissed of when Jews say "happy chanukkah", I am pleased that they are choosing to include me.

At first, I thought Linus called it....

[Anonymous Coward]

the "Woolly Nutbag"

Re:die

[Anonymous Coward]

haha, yfi, yhbt.

Re:Jesus was born in march

[Anonymous Coward]

What does that have to do with football? Freakin' holly rollers trying to take Christmas away from professional sports.

w000thooooooohooo!!!

[Anonymous Coward]

merry chrismast slashdoottters... I"m drunk, adn I wsih you da bets... merri christmas dawg!!!! viva heineken

Re:Jesus was born in march

[Anonymous Coward]

Holly roller? Moron.

You, sir, are a waste of bandwidth.

[Anonymous Coward]

Perhaps you ought to get a better grasp of the English language before you post on a message board dominated by English-speaking people. You seem to lack the ability to express a coherent thought in written English. I suspect that there is more to this issue than a simple ignorance of the English language; and after having looked through your posting history I can only conclude that you lack the capacity to express an intelligible thought in any language. I feel you ought to consider canceling your Slashdot account, because you are certainly not contributing anything of value to these discussions.

People of your intelligence level ought to be barred from participation in public forums. Your inability to articulate logical thought (and your insistence in attempting to do so regardless of that fact) has wasted the time of all those who have read your drivel. Please, just stop now. I highly recommend that you end your life as speedily as possible, to free up natural resources and job opportunities for a person better able to contribute something meaningful to humanity.

Thank you, and good night.

Re:Jesus was born in march

[dbIII]

Oh, and he probably wasn't born in 1 BC.

It looks like you are following the lead of such modern thinkers as the Venerable Bead. Not long before 1000AD he pointed out that Herod wasn't alive at the right time, but it was too late to change the calender anyway without causing chaos.

What's a few months and taking over a holiday from Mithras when the date is shifted a few years. Mary's virginity didn't even seem to be important enough to mention for a few hundred years until the temple of Isis in Rome became a church and it's followers became Christian. Accept it folks, it's well and truly a Roman tradition. The message is more important than the date and bits of the bible we ignore like prohibitions against pork and shellfish (pork is very much part of the roman tradition).

Re:Jesus was born in march

[Anonymous Coward]

Read it again and sound it out, dumbass. Then say the usual phrase aloud, fuckwit. Then drink the drano under the sink, farthuffer.

Re: [OT] Glogg

[richie2000]

Du behöver fixa hemsidan. ;-) God Jul, förresten! Är du hem nånting?

GlÃgg

[andreyw]

GlÃgg for real' (a hot mulled wine with spices, red wine, port and brandy)

Yup, also known as Gluehwein (Germany) and Gloeg (Sweden). Red wine yes. (Many) Spices? Yes. Hot? Yup. Port? I don't think Portwine is part of the recipe... neither is Brandy for that matter. (The real question is errm... WHY... and... ugh that would taste odd). Anyways, good stuff though.

Re:GlÃgg

[frambris]

Actually, Glögg and Gluwein is not exactly the same.

Here's my moms recipe (which is made the real way, not cheating with red wine ;-) ). Do try it once it's really nice and goes nice with the season

Metric units and swedish translations of the ingredients in parantheses.

2 Dried peels from Seville orange (Pomerans)
5 Potatoes, sliced raw
1/3 cup (3/4 dl) Dried clove (Nejlikor)
A bit of ginger (ingefära)
17.5 oz (1/2 kg) Raisins
A bag of (1/2 dl) Cardamom (Kardemumma)
1.5 oz (50 g) Yeast
5.5 lb (2.5 kg) Sugar
1.5 gal (5.5 l) Small beer (really really weak (of taste and alcohol) beer... sort of. Tommelillas svagdricka)

That is then just put in a pot for 4 weeks. It's then strained off and set to rest in another pot for a week. Then it's ready to be bottled up and drunk hot.

Re:GlÃgg

[Anonymous Coward]

The funny thing for me is that both slashdot and you in your reply couldn't even be bother with encoding the damn character "ö":-(

In Firefox, all I see is a A with a funny tilde over it. (character #195 is NOT ö on my system!)

One would think that the editors of slashdot would care for the proper charset..

Tels

Re:Jesus was born in march

[andreyw]

...And Yule. (Think Northern lands). Easter "just happens" to coincide with the Ostara's Day (notice any similarity in naming ;-)). Intersting that although in Germanic countries "Ostara's Day" became Easter through the wonders of sword-and-commerce conquests, the name for Easter in Romance countries such as Italy is derived from a bastardisation on the hebrew word for passover.

Btw, all those cutesy things like Easter Eggs, Easter Bunny, Christmas (really Yule) Tree, carolling and getting completely *cough* soused are all really european pagan things and have nothing to do with Christianity per-se. Nice to know that I can still celebrate Christmas and Easter while being pagan, since I'm REALLY celebrating Yule and Ostara's day. Heheh. I digress.

Merry whatever ;-D.

Re:Jesus was born in march

[TractorBarry]

Well said.

Not that I've got anything against Jesus (actually he seemed like a bloody good bloke.. it's just a shame about his latter day followers) but this is why I will only refer to the midwinter festivities as Xmas - that way "X" can represent the reason of your choice :)

Actually if you take anything more than a casual look at Christian festival days you'll find they've simply usurped an existing festival. Anyone for the godess Oestre and her symbol of fertility the hare (one of the few animals that can conceive again whilst pregnant) ? Ooh look that'll be Easter in the Christianised version with the poor old hare being made into a cutesy pie rabbit.

Remember the motto: "Where the Roman war machine failed, the Church followed".

Randeon 9200SE and ACPI

[Anonymous Coward]

With Linux 2.6.9 i cant get 3d accelaration on Randeon 9200SE card. With 2.6.9 i can?
How about ACPI? Nforce2 cards and throtle and temperature reading?

Re:Randeon 9200SE and ACPI

[setagllib]

If you couldn't with 2.6.9, 2.6.9 won't be any better... logic, boy, logic.

ACPI should work anywhere that conforms (BIOSes earlier than 2000 usually have problems though), what kind of problems do you have? nForce2 has been supported for almost as long as it's existed. Throttle depends on processor, but I saw an nForce-specific driver there too. Temperature if it's available.

Just try it. It's a good release, rare in 2.6 so far, and should support all you've described... except MAYBE DRI (not just 3D acceleration) for the Radeon. Unless it's backwards compatible with the 9200, which I hear is the latest of the supported-in-tree cards. Google it.

Re:Randeon 9200SE and ACPI

[Anonymous Coward]

Or you could stop using a homosexual operating system and use a real man's OS.

Re:Randeon 9200SE and ACPI

[Anonymous Coward]

How can an operating system be homosexual? They don't replicate sexually... or do they? It takes two to replicate, the OS and the user. So an OS that is homosexual tries to mate with another OS in what would be the traditional act of replicating, like automatically downloading new kernels or some such?

Oh, wait, I get it now; you are just a stupid troll. Nevermind.

Re:Randeon 9200SE and ACPI

[jbr439]

I am running 2.6.9 with a 9200SE and I do get 3D acceleration. Particulars are:
Debian kernel: 2.6.9-1-k7
XFree86: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-8
0000:01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 SE] (Secondary) (rev 01)
ASUS A7V133 m.b.

So it's not the 2.6.9 kernel that's preventing your 9200SE from giving you 3D acceleration.

Wanna know why so many drunks get into wrecks?

[Anonymous Coward]

because they don't learn to drive drunk.

Re:Jesus was born in march

[Anonymous Coward]

Nearly every major religion's holidays are clustered at either the beginning or end of winter, and it has nothing to do with trying to usurp anything--it's just that in an agrarian society, that's when the bulk of the population has the free time for a festival.

Absinthe and anise

[telekon]

Absinthe? No, no, no. Real absinthe has wormwood in it and is therefore outlawed in most countries.

Anise seed is in real absinthe and in Pernod which gives it its (IMO nasty) licorice flavor. You wouldn't substitute anise for wormwood; wormwood is horribly bitter, whereas anise is horribly licorice-y. Also, BTW, the once ubiquitous ban on absinthe production has been lifted in most European countries. In addition, due to the way in which thujone (the psychoactive present in wormwood) is regulated by the FDA not as a drug but as a food additive, you can legally import absinthe (but not sell it) in the U.S., from places like this.

Re:fuCk?

[Anonymous Coward]

nice ass,

Re:Jesus was born in march

[Dominatus]

He clearly means in the general time, as in anywhere from Jesus to 100 years or so after his death. He doesn't mean in the time of Jesus' birth.

Glögg not "GlÃgg"

[LiLL-MiCK]

Glögg not "GlÃgg". And btw, its very good tasting :P

Re:Jesus was born in march

[Rhone]

I wish I had points to mod this up. Most religions start with very noble, well-meaning ideals, thought up by very compassionate and well-meaning people.

But as soon as you put the "organized" into "organized religion"--i.e. as soon as there are positions of authority for people to follow--power-hungry people get involved twist the religion for their own purposes.

This is great and all, but...

[Anonymous Coward]

...does it run on Linux?

Little tip

[Quattro Vezina]

I update Gentoo with "nice -n 19 emerge --update whatever" at a very low priority

You can stick a PORTAGE_NICENESS variable into your /etc/make.conf, and you won't have to type out the nice command--Portage will take care of it for you.

I use PORTAGE_NICENESS="10" and everything else works fine while compiling.

Not vitriolic enough

[Anonymous Coward]

"I will blow your arse so far off this planet!" should be "I will blow your fookin arse so far off this fookin planet!". (Or you can go ahead and use "fucking" instead of "fookin", But the British usually say "fookin", if I'm not mistaken, which I probably am.)

Is it signed by Verizon?

[kalleh]

I also noticed they promote downloading it through mirrors. EVERONE knows mirrors are bad security (especially mirrors with numeric ip addresses! http://blogs.msdn.com/ptorr/archive/2004/12/20/327 511.aspx :P

Re:die

[Anonymous Coward]

Pain looks great on other people - that's what they're for.

Sincerely,
A smug nordic motherfucker.

improved ACPI support?

[jeif1k]

ACPI has been unusable on many laptops (no suspend or faulty suspend on Sony, ASUS, and many others) with kernel versions below 2.6.9. I heard that a lot of work has been done on ACPI recently and that some big patches were going to be integrated.

So, does ACPI work better in 2.6.10?

Re:improved ACPI support?

[Anonymous Coward]

Yes, definitely. ACPI only started working very recently since 2.6.10-rcX on my Dell Inspiron 8000 due to the fix for the resume vector virtual address.
So yes, you could say that 2.6.10 is actually the first kernel to *fully* (well, maybe some devices are still broken, didn't check *everything* in my household yet) suspend/resume everything on my main machine.

Note that you might still need the special video_post utility for ATI mobile cards reinitialization...

Re:improved ACPI support?

[Anonymous Coward]

not so for my dell inspiron 8600 (nvidia geforce). I've tried most of the late 2.6 kernels and still can't get suspend/resume working. 2.6.10 is no different - resume doesn't wake up the screen and the disk light stays on.

OT. on Gløgg

[grusapa]

"Glogg is a traditional drink of the Swedish & Finnish Advent season" ehh.. we use it in Norway to.. And Norway is not in Sweden :)

Re:Jesus was born in march

[alerante]

Actually, the X in "Xmas" can stand for a Greek chi, which is also the first letter of the Greek version of Christ. [1]

Wallowing Heathen!

[MarcQuadra]

Hmm, considering my plans, if anyone sees my heathen self tonight wallowing in booze, please tilt my head to the side so I don't choke on my own vomit. I'll be the only guy in Providence with an NTK t-shirt on. Leave your slashdot nick written on my forehead with a sharpie so I know who to mod-up in the future.

Thanks in advance!

Your 9200 IS FULLY SUPPORTED AND ACCELERATED!

[MarcQuadra]

Sorry pal, according to the documentation, the 9200 has FULL 3D support in XFree 4.4 and XOrg 6.7.0.

I've got a 7500 and a 9200 here working with only open-source drivers, and the 3D is fully accelerated, no closed binary drivers whatsoever.

The 9200 is an RV280, which has in-kernel 3D support.

If you're not getting full OpenGL acceleration the problem is on your end (prolly with your xorg.conf or kernel options). I'm right here if you've got any questions.

Winter-een-mas

[accessdeniednsp]

Hey, anybody here gonna be celebrating Winter-een-mas next month? It's getting close! Very exciting time!!

For those not yet tuned in: http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/index.php?t=stati c&bd=weminfo

What's Fun Here...

[Master of Transhuman]

go through the list and look at the incredibly international list of names of people working on the kernel...including some guy named Linus Torvalds (can't imagine where he's from) who did nine of them...

One guy has a last name of about five characters - three of which are represented as special characters...

Changes Since 2.6.9?

[bottlerocket]

Does anybody have a list of the major changes/fixes from 2.6.9? Compiling the changelogs from each release of the beta builds and then distilling it down into Fixes for 2.6.9 VS Fixes for Things Broken in the Previous Beta is a bit much...

That Linus...

[pergamon]

...he always gives the perfect gifts.

Re: [OT] Glögg

[Mick Ohrberg]

Tja! Blitt klent med det :( Sist var 2001 när syrran gifte sig. Har planer på nästa år eller 2006 kanske. Måste ju ta frugan och svärisarna på en riktig skotertur!

GAG

[Anonymous Coward]

With GAG, I don't even have to edit anything. And it's all graphical and autodetects my OS when I set it up.

Re:Jesus was born in march

[Anonymous Coward]

I love Jesus because,

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
-- John 3:16

Merry Christmas!

Re:Glogg (Jesus? What jesus?)

[Anonymous Coward]

Do you really believe Jesus was born? I mean, I know it is a fashionable belief, but so is the little mermaid...

blech

[yurimi]

Live easy; switch to Mac! OK, flame away...

Re:blech

[The MESMERIC]

if you buy me a nice Mac I will switch

(but you'll let me at least install Yellow Dog right?)

Re: [OT] Glögg

[richie2000]

Då får du nog ta upp dem till Canada eller så, här har det varit dåligt med snö ett par vintrar... Jag säger till när Golfströmmen slagit av, då borde det vara läge. :-/

Re:Glogg (Jesus? What jesus?)

[zakezuke]

Do you really believe Jesus was born? I mean, I know it is a fashionable belief, but so is the little mermaid...

I imagine it could be a big conspiracy theory... but I would think it at least likely for there to at least have been a man called Jesus born there and abouts of 2000 years ago who thought it was a good idea to give up fishing and become a prophet. After all prophets were a dime a dozen in those days.

Re:Jesus was born in march

[cburley]

power-hungry people get involved twist the religion for their own purposes.

True, even if you replace "religion" with "government", "corporation", "charity", "FOSS project", etc.!

I no longer believe it's the "religion" part of "organized religion" that's the problem.

It's the "organized" aspect of things.

Human nature seems to be ripe for exploitation by others, and any form of organization offers much more opportunity for such exploitation than does reliance on individual initiative.

(I guess that's not too surprising when one considers the most "sacred" form of human organization -- marriage -- and the problems it has presented over the millenia.)

What's cool, to me, about Linux and other FOSS projects is that the low barrier to entry is accompanied by a low barrier to exit, making it difficult for "power-hungry people" to long succeed at twisting such projects to their own purposes.

And Linus, for the most part, continues to "run" Linux in ways that suggest, to me as a fairly "distant" observer anyway, that he is aware of many of the pitfalls, as well as the advantages, of organized FOSS development.

I believe I've said this before, but I do wish I'd had his example to work from back when I started work on my own FOSS project. I took the "cathedral" approach instead, which wasn't surprising given my more-corporate background, and it didn't work out as well as I now think it could have (though at least I did finally "ship" something that sorta kinda worked).

Interestingly, Mary Baker Eddy wrote, over 100 years ago, "Organization and time have nothing to do with Life", and she uses "Life" (capitalized) as a synonym for "God".

Having been raised a Christian Scientist (the religion Eddy "discovered" and "founded"), I often found myself wondering what in the world she meant by that...it makes more sense to me now.