if i'm on the phone with a vendor, and i can not understand what they're saying, i'm getting another vendor. I would expect my customers to be at least as picky as I am.
I heartily agree with that. The instant-workstation port is dead and unbuildable, which is a damn shame, as it can come in handy if you want a quick and easy desktop-user system. FreeBSD can be a great desktop distro...if you want to install all that stuff yourself -- linux distros in general have a more user friendly way to do that (which isn't FreeBSD's priority, which I understand, but still...)
I wound up making a script to add the packages that I wound up using the most (see it here).
I have a support contract with Red Hat for my RHEL servers. I could have gone with SuSE/Novell, but felt that RH was a bit more fitting for my needs.
I don't know where you get that "linux is not supported" thing from. If you're an end user, and you're running linux, many major distributions offer paid support. RH, SuSE are the two biggest that spring to mind, but they're not the only ones.
On the other hand, it gives Mr Lucas a chance to bow out of Star Wars on the kind of high note that very very few directors ever get to have.
Because if there's one thing that George Lucas is known for, it's restraint and knowing when to stop, right?
I can't wait until he re-re-re-releases IV, V and VI with computer-aided wooden actors replacing everyone that wasn't Mark Hammil (whose acting was bad enough that Lucas probably won't want to change it.)
no, audits are a PITA and everyone would like to avoid them. additionally, tehy're a stigma that gets dropped on the person being audited. just like no one ever remembers who lost old elections, no one remembers what the outcome of an audit or investigation is -- afterwards, even if found innocent, you still have to deal with "so why were you audited? what did you do wrong?" questions.
oh, don't feel too bad -- the site that has the.torrents for download is slashdotted, so it's not like there are as many folks helping the download happen as there could be.:)
Funny, I didn't see where I wrote anything about desktop use but thanks for arguing against a point I didn't make. If you want a secure/patched debian, stable is the only way to go -- a valid point for desktops as well as servers, but more important for the latter. And the "15 people" thing was humor, in case you missed it.
That's exactly what debian is doing and 3yrs is not really a long time when you consider the complexity and sheer amount of packages taking part in the game.
Funny, FreeBSD has -STABLE and -CURRENT (among others) and even the -STABLE branch has more current software (desktop and server,) than debian's stable. I really love apt, and I think compiling ports can be a real pain sometimes, so I mostly use FreeBSD packages (pkg-add -r package) and I get just about the same experience that I would with Debian. Three years is a fucking aeon in the IT field. Solaris 9 was released almost exactly 3 years ago (may 22, 2002). Apple released Jaguar (10.2.0) almost three years ago (June 2002). 11 architectures is great, but Debian is going to relegate itself to being the NetBSD of linuxes if that's what's keeping it back -- actually, not really, because even NetBSD has more current software than Debian. "It'll run on just about anything ever made...even if it's not too current." Not much of an incentive to use it unless you're one of the 10 non-x86 arch's users, imo. It may be nice for the 15 people running alphas and ARM etc, but leaves the majority of users (viz, x86,) out in the cold. Ignore the majority of your users and they'll go away. Debian's feeling the heat from Ubuntu and are _still_ not doing anything about it.
Debian: stable and current software since nineteen-ninety-NEVER.
Mac OS X Tiger will also have a meta-data search feature ("spotlight"), which as demonstrated by Jobs during the keynote, impressed the hell out of me. Really, all the meta-data stuff that most OSes are putting in now reminds me of BeOS (although I personally ran BeOS for all of two hours, this was one of the things that I really liked about it. It's lack of support for color w/ my particularly crappy and old vidcard and monitor is what made me switch back to windows and linux.) In a way, it shows off how forward-thinking the BeOS folks were, but it looks like the meta-data searching of files has improved and is catching on. Being able to put things in multiple categories has come in quite handy with my gmail account and being able to do something similar on my local machine seems really handy to me. Maybe you've never received an email or document that can be filed under more than one heading or category, but I know I have a bunch of stuff that I could better organize on my local machine if I could do something like that.
"Hey, boss, I want to get new hardware."
"But we spent like 100 grand on racks and servers and a bunch of other unix bullshit not 4 years ago!"
"Yeah, but I want pretty windows on my servers."
"...you want MS Windows servers?"
Sorry, servers have one purpose and one purpose only. Anything else is window dressing. If it gets the job done, why bother upgrading? Because you want pretty pictures? Let me know how having a Sun blade server as a desktop works out for you, though.
Like all OSes -- including Microsoft Windows and Apple's OS X as well as the various Linux distributions and other BSDs-- FreeBSD has it's pros and cons. Choosing which to use boils down to prioritizing what you need the system to do and what's less hassle for you. If you're a Windows admin primarily, it's going to be immeasureably easier for you to set up LDAP on an AD box; if you're primarily a unix admin, you can just as easily do the same thing on a *nix.
sad but true; same thing at my uni. it's always "too expensive and bothersome" to implement things that would mitigate compromises and/or attacks until something really bad happens and the network is visibly affected. Then it's "why wasn't this fixed or avoided?".
Chocolate rations are up! There is no environmental problem! The defecit is not a problem! Except social security, that's fucked! But tax breaks for the rich are the best idea since pre-emptive wars! We have always been at war with Oceania^WIraqanistanKorea!
are there cases of people actually refusing to run it because of the logo? I mean, even if they consider it offensive, most sysadmins who _want_ to and _can_ run it, will.
Slashdot Mirror
well, if it includes the blogspot stuff, I'd use it.
if i'm on the phone with a vendor, and i can not understand what they're saying, i'm getting another vendor. I would expect my customers to be at least as picky as I am.
can this guy's name be trademarked?
one of the few times i wish i had my old sig still on my /. account: "slashdot: when news breaks, we give you the pieces"
I wound up making a script to add the packages that I wound up using the most (see it here).
I don't know where you get that "linux is not supported" thing from. If you're an end user, and you're running linux, many major distributions offer paid support. RH, SuSE are the two biggest that spring to mind, but they're not the only ones.
Because if there's one thing that George Lucas is known for, it's restraint and knowing when to stop, right?
I can't wait until he re-re-re-releases IV, V and VI with computer-aided wooden actors replacing everyone that wasn't Mark Hammil (whose acting was bad enough that Lucas probably won't want to change it.)
no, audits are a PITA and everyone would like to avoid them. additionally, tehy're a stigma that gets dropped on the person being audited. just like no one ever remembers who lost old elections, no one remembers what the outcome of an audit or investigation is -- afterwards, even if found innocent, you still have to deal with "so why were you audited? what did you do wrong?" questions.
don't sell George Lucas short: he made his old movies suck too.
oh, don't feel too bad -- the site that has the .torrents for download is slashdotted, so it's not like there are as many folks helping the download happen as there could be. :)
no, it'd be a total clusterfuck if all that linux code got on the net. I mean, imagine the confusion that would ensue.
Funny, I didn't see where I wrote anything about desktop use but thanks for arguing against a point I didn't make. If you want a secure/patched debian, stable is the only way to go -- a valid point for desktops as well as servers, but more important for the latter. And the "15 people" thing was humor, in case you missed it.
Funny, FreeBSD has -STABLE and -CURRENT (among others) and even the -STABLE branch has more current software (desktop and server,) than debian's stable. I really love apt, and I think compiling ports can be a real pain sometimes, so I mostly use FreeBSD packages (pkg-add -r package) and I get just about the same experience that I would with Debian. Three years is a fucking aeon in the IT field. Solaris 9 was released almost exactly 3 years ago (may 22, 2002). Apple released Jaguar (10.2.0) almost three years ago (June 2002). 11 architectures is great, but Debian is going to relegate itself to being the NetBSD of linuxes if that's what's keeping it back -- actually, not really, because even NetBSD has more current software than Debian. "It'll run on just about anything ever made...even if it's not too current." Not much of an incentive to use it unless you're one of the 10 non-x86 arch's users, imo. It may be nice for the 15 people running alphas and ARM etc, but leaves the majority of users (viz, x86,) out in the cold. Ignore the majority of your users and they'll go away. Debian's feeling the heat from Ubuntu and are _still_ not doing anything about it.
Debian: stable and current software since nineteen-ninety-NEVER.
because unlike emacs, these eMacs have a nice GUI and include vi :)
Mac OS X Tiger will also have a meta-data search feature ("spotlight"), which as demonstrated by Jobs during the keynote, impressed the hell out of me. Really, all the meta-data stuff that most OSes are putting in now reminds me of BeOS (although I personally ran BeOS for all of two hours, this was one of the things that I really liked about it. It's lack of support for color w/ my particularly crappy and old vidcard and monitor is what made me switch back to windows and linux.) In a way, it shows off how forward-thinking the BeOS folks were, but it looks like the meta-data searching of files has improved and is catching on. Being able to put things in multiple categories has come in quite handy with my gmail account and being able to do something similar on my local machine seems really handy to me. Maybe you've never received an email or document that can be filed under more than one heading or category, but I know I have a bunch of stuff that I could better organize on my local machine if I could do something like that.
that's odd, I know for a fact that my XFLD and FreeBSD boxes don't have activeX and I can still read my gmail.
That was my point.
"Hey, boss, I want to get new hardware."
"But we spent like 100 grand on racks and servers and a bunch of other unix bullshit not 4 years ago!"
"Yeah, but I want pretty windows on my servers."
"...you want MS Windows servers?"
Sorry, servers have one purpose and one purpose only. Anything else is window dressing. If it gets the job done, why bother upgrading? Because you want pretty pictures? Let me know how having a Sun blade server as a desktop works out for you, though.
and OSes of course.
Like all OSes -- including Microsoft Windows and Apple's OS X as well as the various Linux distributions and other BSDs-- FreeBSD has it's pros and cons. Choosing which to use boils down to prioritizing what you need the system to do and what's less hassle for you. If you're a Windows admin primarily, it's going to be immeasureably easier for you to set up LDAP on an AD box; if you're primarily a unix admin, you can just as easily do the same thing on a *nix.
...a BIG box? bwahahahaha oh boy, that's comedy.
sad but true; same thing at my uni. it's always "too expensive and bothersome" to implement things that would mitigate compromises and/or attacks until something really bad happens and the network is visibly affected. Then it's "why wasn't this fixed or avoided?".
Chocolate rations are up! There is no environmental problem! The defecit is not a problem! Except social security, that's fucked! But tax breaks for the rich are the best idea since pre-emptive wars! We have always been at war with Oceania^WIraqanistanKorea!
...because being feature-for-feature just like "every other high end MP3 player" is what sells iPods, right?
are there cases of people actually refusing to run it because of the logo? I mean, even if they consider it offensive, most sysadmins who _want_ to and _can_ run it, will.