It's refreshing in this time of corporate neofascism to see clear thinking from legislators and jurists. After all, such websites (/., yahoo, kur05hin, etc...) are known as "forums"--they exist solely for expression of opinion.
That said, will someone please post a review of the full text of the OT3 manual? I'm interested in your opinion.
Since our mode of thinking in the U.S.A. is that any technology that comes along should be implemented no matter the consequences, I predict it won't be long before we are all required to have biocomputers implanted. Basis:
Atomic Energy: this thing can destroy the whole planet when used in anger. Hey, we're angry with these Japanese...
Drug Testing: We can test for drug residue that remains long after usage and create a permanent underclass despite lack of correlation between job performance and drug test results. Let's do it!
Electronic Voting: (In the works...) Any computer system is hackable, but let's trust that this system will be unhackable.
Genetic Testing: This person has a gene that indicates a possibility of future illness. Despite our ability to buffer medical costs through group insurance, let's deny employment to this sucker. He can go hang out with the druggies...
Genetic Engineering: Instead of rotating crops, using companion planting guides, using natural predators, and recycling bio-waste, let's manipulate the genes of the plant. Ignore side effects in humans or other species.
After all, if you have nothing to hide you have no reason to fear this technology, right?
It appears you are assuming that I claim it is impossible to succeed. Actually, all I am stating is that it is easiest for the successful to succeed and they are presently cementing their control by any means necessary. At this point, their buddies (Congresscritters) are drafting and passing legislation that says we do not own what we have bought [see DMCA]. They are re-writing all laws to suit their interests.
You are obviously a can-do person. Your military training has enabled you to lead your department. You will no doubt enjoy increasing success. However, your chance of joining the upper class and owning a Congresscritter is about as great as Torvalds joining Microsoft.
No trolling here, just trying to bridge the gap between our arguments.
If you don't like the "war on drugs" then vote and change the law...
Are you high? No one had a chance to vote for the War on (Some) Drugs, so how can I possibly vote against it? In the early 70's Nixon commissioned a report on the national effects of drug use. The committee, made up of doctors and other people with knowledge of the drug problem, recommended decriminalization. Nixon decreed a drug war. The same situation happened again during the Reagan administration.
Please avoid weak arguments such as "What if a group of people just decided that they would go on a killing spree because they thought the death penelty was an unfair punishment", because murder is actually a crime. Intoxicating oneself is not a crime; neither should providing the means for another to intoxicate himself.
I do agree with what you say about Dems & Reps. Sad thing it's impossible for anybody else to make it to the Hill.
Don't be fooled by the same logic that you believe the parent poster is fooled by. True, many good things have come from our Capitalist society. However, your understanding of the system is not based on any facts. With the exception of Gates, Bezos, Perot, and a handful of others, people who "work hard, take risks, and take responsibility usually" don't make it to the top. These people are called employees. Most heads of corporation reek of old money. Their friends and families sit in Government and on the boards of PACs. Now that our government is bailing out the airline industry for its lousy (and deadly) business practices, the notion that corporate owners take risks is obsolete. The exception is small businesses.
Statements like "hippy commune" show your inability to construct a factual argument. What good does "finding another job" do when the game is already rigged by the winners?
There are an infinite number of economic systems waiting to be explored.
It's already here. Perhaps the largest of underreported [censored?] stories of the last decade is the growth of the corporate prison industry in America. The owners of these chains have donated heavily to "tough-on-crime" Republican candidates and in return have been given a limitless--and growing--supply of "criminals", usually people convicted of growing/manufacturing/distributing non-alcoholic drugs.
Here is how it works: the prisoner performs labor for Microsoft/WalMart/etc... for a low wage, around $1.00/hour. Part of this wage goes to pay the cost of imprisonment. If the prisoner committed a true crime, a portion of the wage goes towards a restitution fund. The remainder can be spent by the prisoner on overpriced soap/toothpaste/deodorant/etc... It's a win-win situation for the owner: the prisoner pays to be a prisoner, and the owner profits from the prisoner's labor.
The result?
A permanent domestic source of slave labor
Elimination of controversy surrounding use of third-world slave labor by American corporations
Extremely high profitability for the owners
Large donations to the campaigns of "tough-on-crime" legislators, which enable them to write additional "tough-on-crime" laws
Wait 'til they have finished milking the War on (Some) Drugs and start milking the War on Illegal (Open Source) Software.
Hi! I am sending you this CD-ROM as part of an antitrust settlement...
But seriously--if Microsoft is to be punished, shouldn't Microsoft be forced to give all the poor children a PC with Linux on it? If Bill Gates was forced to do 100,000 RHL 6.x installs w/o kickstart, I bet he would never ever ever ever again stifle competition or build a vertical monopoly.
The proposed settlement is equivalent to giving a burglar keys to every house in the neighborhood, or giving a gun and rubber gloves to a murderer. The principle of punishment is to deter the perpetrator should the desire to commit crime arise again.
Bezos? I thought it was Dean Kamen. With the economic downturn & our recent Jihad run-in, I think the VCs are gonna be skittish for a little while longer. Too bad, I'm really curious about this Ginger thing...
So many of us have lost our patience but have no additional outlets or avenues (already wrote the congresscritters, don't own any weapons of mass destruction...). Now the venue is becoming larger and--hopefully--the public will become aware of the creeping fascism. 'Cept if the five remaining media companies successfully spin this to prove to the masses that freedom is indeed slavery and war is indeed peace, etc...
Anybody have a rock I can crawl under 'til the dust settles?
There is such a sport, at least in meatspace. I was watching a match once & thought it would be neat to fave a FPS (first person cyclist) version. Now someone else has developed the perfect input device. How's that for serendipity?
On a side note, Quake can be pretty addictive. I had to stop playing after I realized how many all-nighters I was pulling. The combination of the addictiveness (word?) and this device may send plenty of gamers to the emergency room, leading zealous Congresscritters & the D.E.A. to "do something" about "this dangerous Quake drug". Sigh...
Yeah, I agree. After reading the other posts, I think we've all been had. This is all a publicity stunt perpetrated by Mr. Armenian 0backlash0 to get more hits for his pr0n site.
Enjoy your American dollars while they last, Mr. Armenian 0backlash0!!!
So typical--you can't dispute the facts, so you suggest I "stick your head back in the sand... leave the rest of us alone". I believe that your head has been in the sand or the equivalent (TV). It's amazing that nearly every war hawk resorts to ad hominem attacks these days.
I'm not trolling, I just want my god-damn free country back.
You have heard that it was said,
"You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy." But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be children of your Father who is in heaven; for he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the righteous and on the unrighteous. For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet only your brothers and sisters, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
IAAA (I am an American), but I don't understand why we are at war--especially with Afghanistan. We were attacked by people who have never claimed responsibility. It is possible that all who were involved perished in the crashes. Our government and the major media want us to believe that Osama ibn Laden was responsible, despite the fact that he actually claims responsibility for his attacks. He is a guest of the Taleban, who has told us (since 9/xx) that they will turn him over upon receipt of conclusive evidence. The Taleban has offered to negotiate several times; meanwhile, Bush's claim that "we will use Diplomacy" remains untrue (he has rejected every offer). Bush refuses to turn over any evidence, citing "National Security"--does that mean that Americans would riot in the streets if they knew what was really happening? Now we are bombing the shit out of the poorest nation in the world because they are bound under their Holy Law to protect their guest. We slander them on TV with false stories about opium (which can't grow in a four-year drought...), while we are using neighboring Uzbehkistan--#2 worldwide in opium production--as an air base for our troop transports, just like we did with Laos/Cambodia during VietNam (search on google.com for Bo Gritz if this doesn't ring a bell).
Back to the topic, our politicians and lobbyists are shredding the Constitution with the full support of the misled American majority. This wasn't in the EULA. I wish to move to a country with more civil liberties, such as Germany.
Constant attacks? There was a single day of terrorist attacks 40 days ago. There have been a few isolated incidents involving Anthrax spores targeted towards tabloid media and Congress. I think the majority of us are safe.
Our airports aren't safe. Despite the changes already made, several journalists and inspectors have successfully boarded commercial flights carrying metal weapons since 9/11. The security people are too busy arresting passengers for bringing their personal stash aboard.
Sorry to burst your feel-good bubble, but nearly 40% of every dollar paid in federal taxes goes toward the military and intelligence agencies, as it has for years. If that can't protect us from terrorism, I don't see what can. Maybe we should focus on prevention; for example, we could stop choosing sides in other peoples' conflicts and making new enemies in the process. We could retire from the business of being the #1 wholesaler of weapons to the ROTW. We could stop going to war for cheap oil. We could stop selling the pesticides to other countries that are banned for use here because they are carcinogenic. We could stop subsidizing businesses who get third-world countries addicted to cigarettes and cola. We could steer clear of Free Trade agreements that solidify the gap between rich and poor worldwide.
Raising taxes is kinda stupid when Bush is giving over $100,000,000,000 US to elite business owners.
If we want our country to be safe, perhaps we should start practicing some of the philosophy of Jesus of Nazareth, whom a majority of theistic Americans claim for a saviour.
You forgot that Anthrax isn't communicable (human-to-human) most of the time. I think the white supremacist group that is sending these letters will run out of Anthrax soon, and everything will be fine once again.
When the economy picks up in a few months, Intel will spend a bunch of money re-opening its Consumer Electronics Division. So will all the other megacorps who are having a contest to see who can lay off the most employees, shut down the most divisions, and finish the year in the black. I think people ("consumers" in business parlance) are just a little scared about spending money right now and are delaying purchases--rather than becoming introspective about overconsumption and all the other things that make America the Great Satan. When everybody feels a little safer again, the money will start rolling up the pyramid into the vaults of the upper caste yet again. Besides, the holiday shopping season is almost here.
While I was whoring for my undergrad business degree, I remember my profs always speaking of the risks of doing business, etc... I'm beginning to think that only applies to sole proprietors. Historically, corporate owners were only liable to the extent of their investment. With the $100,000,000,000+ US that Bush is trying to give to the megacorps, how can any of them still believe they will lose money this year?
I think you hit the nail on the head--the demand itself is cyclical. It's merely a side effect of capitalism. With product development cycles being what they are, I think the wise company--financially stable and driven by realistic, sustainable profit growth--will dominate its competitors by keeping a quirky guru or two around. That sort of thing allows "impossible" ideas to flourish and become real products that everybody uses.
It drives accountants crazy to see a guy on the books with a large salary and apparently low productivity. Same goes for the assembly line MBAs coming out of state universities. Anybody with a long-term view will certainly ignore the noise from the numbers people and nurture a company whose name will still be around five years from now.
The consensus, based on the other comments, is that the manufacturer of an O/S is responsible for the security, just as the manufacturer of an auto is responsible for the auto's safety.
I think Culp has an ulterior motive. With the frequent cries from Washington (despite occasional backpedaling) and the boardrooms for mandatory back doors, our machines may soon be under attack from inept g-men or indifferent office workers just "doing their jobs" like Calley, Eichmann, and North.
If enough hysteria is created nationwide, the back doors will become mandatory. The same hysteria could be channelled to make dissemination of security-related information an act of terrorism. Look at all the recent examples of opportunistic legislation in Washington to understand how likely this is. Inevitably, hackers will find ways to close the back doors or at least make them ineffective--a criminal act. Culp et alia would love nothing more than to operate without the meddling of Security Experts. By demonizing them and preaching to the choir, he is off to a good start.
The Mark: David Edmondson Title: President and COO, RadioShack Corp. Invested: $30 million Commitment: Manufactured CueCats and distributed them free at all RadioShack outlets. Quote: "I went, 'Holy Toledo! This is big.'"
Sure, you're 31337 & you have already programmed your router to drop their packets, or you've set up an auto-smurfer. Good for you! Back up a second & try this on your Win* box instead:
Just write a short.bat file to execute these commands recursively from your root folder. If you run *n?x, you already know how to do the equivalent.
I think Hillary Rosen will shit live goats the moment her techies tell her that there are suddenly 6.02e23 mp3 files being shared on Morpheus. Didn't Sun Tzu specify a similar strategy centuries ago?
Slashdot Mirror
The inevitable consequence is that the network will be very insecure, so let us mess with the lyrics:
Well, it is a lot easier than saying "because 802.11b doesn't specify encryption at the physical level".
It's refreshing in this time of corporate neofascism to see clear thinking from legislators and jurists. After all, such websites (/., yahoo, kur05hin, etc...) are known as "forums"--they exist solely for expression of opinion.
That said, will someone please post a review of the full text of the OT3 manual? I'm interested in your opinion.
Since our mode of thinking in the U.S.A. is that any technology that comes along should be implemented no matter the consequences, I predict it won't be long before we are all required to have biocomputers implanted. Basis:
After all, if you have nothing to hide you have no reason to fear this technology, right?
Man, a whole galaxy could have signed up for free AOL service with the DNA I just jetissoned...
It appears you are assuming that I claim it is impossible to succeed. Actually, all I am stating is that it is easiest for the successful to succeed and they are presently cementing their control by any means necessary. At this point, their buddies (Congresscritters) are drafting and passing legislation that says we do not own what we have bought [see DMCA]. They are re-writing all laws to suit their interests.
You are obviously a can-do person. Your military training has enabled you to lead your department. You will no doubt enjoy increasing success. However, your chance of joining the upper class and owning a Congresscritter is about as great as Torvalds joining Microsoft.
No trolling here, just trying to bridge the gap between our arguments.
Are you high? No one had a chance to vote for the War on (Some) Drugs, so how can I possibly vote against it? In the early 70's Nixon commissioned a report on the national effects of drug use. The committee, made up of doctors and other people with knowledge of the drug problem, recommended decriminalization. Nixon decreed a drug war. The same situation happened again during the Reagan administration.
Please avoid weak arguments such as "What if a group of people just decided that they would go on a killing spree because they thought the death penelty was an unfair punishment", because murder is actually a crime. Intoxicating oneself is not a crime; neither should providing the means for another to intoxicate himself.
I do agree with what you say about Dems & Reps. Sad thing it's impossible for anybody else to make it to the Hill.
Don't be fooled by the same logic that you believe the parent poster is fooled by. True, many good things have come from our Capitalist society. However, your understanding of the system is not based on any facts. With the exception of Gates, Bezos, Perot, and a handful of others, people who "work hard, take risks, and take responsibility usually" don't make it to the top. These people are called employees. Most heads of corporation reek of old money. Their friends and families sit in Government and on the boards of PACs. Now that our government is bailing out the airline industry for its lousy (and deadly) business practices, the notion that corporate owners take risks is obsolete. The exception is small businesses.
Statements like "hippy commune" show your inability to construct a factual argument. What good does "finding another job" do when the game is already rigged by the winners?
There are an infinite number of economic systems waiting to be explored.
It's already here. Perhaps the largest of underreported [censored?] stories of the last decade is the growth of the corporate prison industry in America. The owners of these chains have donated heavily to "tough-on-crime" Republican candidates and in return have been given a limitless--and growing--supply of "criminals", usually people convicted of growing/manufacturing/distributing non-alcoholic drugs.
Here is how it works: the prisoner performs labor for Microsoft/WalMart/etc... for a low wage, around $1.00/hour. Part of this wage goes to pay the cost of imprisonment. If the prisoner committed a true crime, a portion of the wage goes towards a restitution fund. The remainder can be spent by the prisoner on overpriced soap/toothpaste/deodorant/etc... It's a win-win situation for the owner: the prisoner pays to be a prisoner, and the owner profits from the prisoner's labor.
The result?
Wait 'til they have finished milking the War on (Some) Drugs and start milking the War on Illegal (Open Source) Software.
Hi! I am sending you this CD-ROM as part of an antitrust settlement...
But seriously--if Microsoft is to be punished, shouldn't Microsoft be forced to give all the poor children a PC with Linux on it? If Bill Gates was forced to do 100,000 RHL 6.x installs w/o kickstart, I bet he would never ever ever ever again stifle competition or build a vertical monopoly.
The proposed settlement is equivalent to giving a burglar keys to every house in the neighborhood, or giving a gun and rubber gloves to a murderer. The principle of punishment is to deter the perpetrator should the desire to commit crime arise again.
Bezos? I thought it was Dean Kamen. With the economic downturn & our recent Jihad run-in, I think the VCs are gonna be skittish for a little while longer. Too bad, I'm really curious about this Ginger thing...
So many of us have lost our patience but have no additional outlets or avenues (already wrote the congresscritters, don't own any weapons of mass destruction...). Now the venue is becoming larger and--hopefully--the public will become aware of the creeping fascism. 'Cept if the five remaining media companies successfully spin this to prove to the masses that freedom is indeed slavery and war is indeed peace, etc...
Anybody have a rock I can crawl under 'til the dust settles?
There is such a sport, at least in meatspace. I was watching a match once & thought it would be neat to fave a FPS (first person cyclist) version. Now someone else has developed the perfect input device. How's that for serendipity?
On a side note, Quake can be pretty addictive. I had to stop playing after I realized how many all-nighters I was pulling. The combination of the addictiveness (word?) and this device may send plenty of gamers to the emergency room, leading zealous Congresscritters & the D.E.A. to "do something" about "this dangerous Quake drug". Sigh...
Yeah, I agree. After reading the other posts, I think we've all been had. This is all a publicity stunt perpetrated by Mr. Armenian 0backlash0 to get more hits for his pr0n site.
Enjoy your American dollars while they last, Mr. Armenian 0backlash0!!!
We'll bug the shit out of them until they give it up. Just copy & paste this script & hack away...
while( 1 ) {
wget kdhxfm88.org
}
So typical--you can't dispute the facts, so you suggest I "stick your head back in the sand ... leave the rest of us alone". I believe that your head has been in the sand or the equivalent (TV). It's amazing that nearly every war hawk resorts to ad hominem attacks these days.
I'm not trolling, I just want my god-damn free country back.
IAAA (I am an American), but I don't understand why we are at war--especially with Afghanistan. We were attacked by people who have never claimed responsibility. It is possible that all who were involved perished in the crashes. Our government and the major media want us to believe that Osama ibn Laden was responsible, despite the fact that he actually claims responsibility for his attacks. He is a guest of the Taleban, who has told us (since 9/xx) that they will turn him over upon receipt of conclusive evidence. The Taleban has offered to negotiate several times; meanwhile, Bush's claim that "we will use Diplomacy" remains untrue (he has rejected every offer). Bush refuses to turn over any evidence, citing "National Security"--does that mean that Americans would riot in the streets if they knew what was really happening? Now we are bombing the shit out of the poorest nation in the world because they are bound under their Holy Law to protect their guest. We slander them on TV with false stories about opium (which can't grow in a four-year drought...), while we are using neighboring Uzbehkistan--#2 worldwide in opium production--as an air base for our troop transports, just like we did with Laos/Cambodia during VietNam (search on google.com for Bo Gritz if this doesn't ring a bell).
Back to the topic, our politicians and lobbyists are shredding the Constitution with the full support of the misled American majority. This wasn't in the EULA. I wish to move to a country with more civil liberties, such as Germany.
Constant attacks? There was a single day of terrorist attacks 40 days ago. There have been a few isolated incidents involving Anthrax spores targeted towards tabloid media and Congress. I think the majority of us are safe.
Our airports aren't safe. Despite the changes already made, several journalists and inspectors have successfully boarded commercial flights carrying metal weapons since 9/11. The security people are too busy arresting passengers for bringing their personal stash aboard.
Sorry to burst your feel-good bubble, but nearly 40% of every dollar paid in federal taxes goes toward the military and intelligence agencies, as it has for years. If that can't protect us from terrorism, I don't see what can. Maybe we should focus on prevention; for example, we could stop choosing sides in other peoples' conflicts and making new enemies in the process. We could retire from the business of being the #1 wholesaler of weapons to the ROTW. We could stop going to war for cheap oil. We could stop selling the pesticides to other countries that are banned for use here because they are carcinogenic. We could stop subsidizing businesses who get third-world countries addicted to cigarettes and cola. We could steer clear of Free Trade agreements that solidify the gap between rich and poor worldwide.
Raising taxes is kinda stupid when Bush is giving over $100,000,000,000 US to elite business owners.
If we want our country to be safe, perhaps we should start practicing some of the philosophy of Jesus of Nazareth, whom a majority of theistic Americans claim for a saviour.
I'm at the Karma cap, so I can speak without fear: Windows is much more offensive than DOS!
Invalid form key: yOaF7brAyz ! Looks like Slashcode is getting pretty uppity too.
You forgot that Anthrax isn't communicable (human-to-human) most of the time. I think the white supremacist group that is sending these letters will run out of Anthrax soon, and everything will be fine once again.
Invalid Form Key: BnriPp5v4i ! What you say!!
When the economy picks up in a few months, Intel will spend a bunch of money re-opening its Consumer Electronics Division. So will all the other megacorps who are having a contest to see who can lay off the most employees, shut down the most divisions, and finish the year in the black. I think people ("consumers" in business parlance) are just a little scared about spending money right now and are delaying purchases--rather than becoming introspective about overconsumption and all the other things that make America the Great Satan. When everybody feels a little safer again, the money will start rolling up the pyramid into the vaults of the upper caste yet again. Besides, the holiday shopping season is almost here.
While I was whoring for my undergrad business degree, I remember my profs always speaking of the risks of doing business, etc... I'm beginning to think that only applies to sole proprietors. Historically, corporate owners were only liable to the extent of their investment. With the $100,000,000,000+ US that Bush is trying to give to the megacorps, how can any of them still believe they will lose money this year?
I think you hit the nail on the head--the demand itself is cyclical. It's merely a side effect of capitalism. With product development cycles being what they are, I think the wise company--financially stable and driven by realistic, sustainable profit growth--will dominate its competitors by keeping a quirky guru or two around. That sort of thing allows "impossible" ideas to flourish and become real products that everybody uses.
It drives accountants crazy to see a guy on the books with a large salary and apparently low productivity. Same goes for the assembly line MBAs coming out of state universities. Anybody with a long-term view will certainly ignore the noise from the numbers people and nurture a company whose name will still be around five years from now.
The consensus, based on the other comments, is that the manufacturer of an O/S is responsible for the security, just as the manufacturer of an auto is responsible for the auto's safety.
I think Culp has an ulterior motive. With the frequent cries from Washington (despite occasional backpedaling) and the boardrooms for mandatory back doors, our machines may soon be under attack from inept g-men or indifferent office workers just "doing their jobs" like Calley, Eichmann, and North.
If enough hysteria is created nationwide, the back doors will become mandatory. The same hysteria could be channelled to make dissemination of security-related information an act of terrorism. Look at all the recent examples of opportunistic legislation in Washington to understand how likely this is. Inevitably, hackers will find ways to close the back doors or at least make them ineffective--a criminal act. Culp et alia would love nothing more than to operate without the meddling of Security Experts. By demonizing them and preaching to the choir, he is off to a good start.
From the article (emphasis added in italics...):
The Mark: David EdmondsonTitle: President and COO, RadioShack Corp.
Invested: $30 million
Commitment: Manufactured CueCats and distributed them free at all RadioShack outlets.
Quote: "I went, 'Holy Toledo! This is big.'"
Sorry, Dave...
Sure, you're 31337 & you have already programmed your router to drop their packets, or you've set up an auto-smurfer. Good for you! Back up a second & try this on your Win* box instead:
copy *.exe *.mp3copy *.vxd *.mp3
copy *.dll *.mp3
Just write a short
I think Hillary Rosen will shit live goats the moment her techies tell her that there are suddenly 6.02e23 mp3 files being shared on Morpheus. Didn't Sun Tzu specify a similar strategy centuries ago?