Also part of the story: "Because of Microsoft's dominance in both office and operating systems, several government institutions are working on creating alternatives, primarily the combination of Linux and StarOffice."
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/archive/24131.html
Seven Danish IT directors, including Lembøl, have got together under the auspices of the Association of Danish Municipalities, to investigate open source software packages as an alternative to Microsoft products.
In particular, they are interested in StarOffice 6 (a full version of which is due in March) because of the potential savings it offers over Office 2000, and because it could be rolled out with minimum disruption.
Moving to StarOffice could save roughly 100 per user annually in licensing charges, Lembøl estimates. Upon completion of a product evaluation, lasting between two to three months, of StarOffice 6, the group of seven managers plans to put forward recommendations to their peers in other municipal councils.
The recommendations are not mandatory but the prospect of 275 municipalities with 55,000 desktops eyeing open source alternatives is unwelcome news for Microsoft.
After completing an evaluation of StarOffice, Lembøl and his colleagues plan to evaluate Linux as a replacement for Windows 2000 on the server (and possibly desktop), though looking at an alternative to Office remains top of the agenda.
How can I steal it if it's "free?" Restate that to "how can I capture that if its to remain free. The perspective you are missing is that the freedom has to do with the ability of the software to remain free. Hence, the BSD liscense grants you the user more "freedom" in that BSD-ed software can be caputured and enslaved to the benifit of the software-slaver. GPL-ed software has a "live free or die" clause. The software must remain free, so your "freedom" to enslave is denied to the greater benifit of freedom to the community.
In terms of sacrifing liberty for security, isn't that actually what you suggest: that the Liberty-as-in-Freedom forever of the GPL be sacrificed for the temporary Security-as-in-Economic rewards for a few right now?
"In early 2000, as InterTrust's market cap began vanishing, Microsoft launched its.NET initiative, with its focus on networked computing. InterTrust executives watched in horror as Microsoft began introducing DRM and trust features on nearly all its products. "
Device probing isn't "dumb-downed". Extending the intelligence of the system is a good thing, not a bad thing. When I change mice, I expect to run the control panel...no big deal. In terms of ruining for the rest...not likely. Turning Linux into Windows is a slippery slope arguement. I use blackbox and rxvt/screen to run emacs and mc. Not a "windows" kinda guy.
"I use Mandrake, and actually like it quite a bit." Followed by only being willing to pay for Redhat because of Redhat's cashflow position is just about the *stupidist* thing I seen that wasn't meant to be a troll. Doesn't the intrinsic value of the software matter more than the company's financial status? Else, why aren't you using MS? Thats exactly like voting for the richest candidate.
Easy to install also means probing for hardware and having drivers. Mandrake does the best job of of the major distributions when it comes to painlessly installing a working system. My mouse scrollwheel works. My USB printer works. My actual video monitor was on the scroll list. It was delightful. "Network-deployable and well documented" means dick for "most user friendly desktop distro". Score: -1 Offtopic.
In terms of development, why not just use GNUstep? I percieve nothing to be gained from GNU-Darwin, or from Darwin. The OpenStep specification provided by NeXT and Sun was cool. The FoundationKit, ApplicationKit, Display Postscript, Objective-C look way cool. But why bother with Darwin?
I assumed you were trolling and ignored your reply, but you've been modded up, so... at the expense of feeding a troll I respond: Yes, why would a company give a free jumpstart to its competitors? Strange that you would ask. Since most software is produced for internal use, how the hell would non-distributed software help a competitor who never sees it? So obviously you are building a "strawman" arguement to attack. Or you really don't understand. Developing from GPL-ed software for internal use would give their developers a jumpstart, and it would give their competitors as much of a jumpstart as the sourcecode for MS Windows has given its competitors. Both would be as visible.
"Please explain to me the difference between an application that is redistributed...and an online website...[that]uses a single copy". Well obviously the former is distributing an application while the former is using the application to distribute information. Big difference.
So what attitude do you recommend one should take with a convicted (criminal) corporation such as microsoft? Is it "attitud" to be aware of their control issues? Perhaps the phrasing could be adjusted, but the gist of the statement was correct. If reality is to politically incorrect, then you are a sheep.
"Remember the whole point of computers and software is a means to an end. The only reason there are companies that produce and sell software is other companies then use this software to generate wealth."
Yeah but by far most corporate software produced is not for sell. It is for use. So for most cases the only reason companies produce software is because they percieve a need for that software to do something for them. Thus, in the majority of cases, GPLed software is a free jumpstart. Since distribution in a non-issue, there is no problem with the GPL.
The core Windows-based banking application has been rewritten in Java to make it available on any system, including over the web. One iSeries 820 server now runs the entire European operation from London, substantially reducing administration and licence costs.
"Linux runs Java much quicker than Windows. It's the natural operating system to run Java," said Evans, who added that other applications are now gradually being ported to Linux.
The bank is using the multiple-partitions capabilities of IBM's iSeries, which will also connect an xSeries Windows system as if it were another partition.
Banco do Brasil has gone further by consolidating several Windows NT servers onto a single IBM x440, using VMWare to create virtual Windows machines.
An iSeries 820 server consolidates all the European networks into one, linking the six xSeries servers, providing a storage area network (SAN) and file and print services.
Open source Samba handles file and print services and manages existing remote Windows desktops on Linux. Evans said Samba also performed better than Windows. Windows NT system security is set in Samba and passed to and from NT automatically.
A third iSeries server (a model 270) is used as a Lotus Domino server running mail for 250 staff throughout Europe. It also links into the bank's private intranet.
Banco do Brasil has 78,000 employees serving 12 million customers. It has 33 international branches in 21 countries outside Brazil. It has a central data processing centre in Brasilia employing 1,200 IT staff.
Most people in the Dorms here go with the campus LAN for $50/month. Its somewhat faster than dialup (and decent now while everyone is home for thanksgiving). Those who purchase a cable modem are known to disappear for about a week to ten days. They resurface and life goes on...but the thing is that once a "click" instantly displays the new web page the transitions are so smooth that hours and hours go by. Its possible to actually open every single link at the bottom of a web page without feeling the need to make coffee or something while you wait. If we consumed a konstant quantity of online info, then yeah a faster connection would imply less time online. But the fact is that people get bored waiting, and can only swallow so many interuptions before they turn on the tv or get a book. Cable is fast enough that that "turn off" doesn't have to happen.
Well, except its not the company who was "vandalized" who is saying "pay up or we'll sue". This is more like your neighbor saying "pay me money or I'm taking your kid to court for spray painting the town last night".
Advertising is only cruical to the development of the internet if you prefer commercialization. The internet is a communications medium. Why not let those who would serve content pay for their podeum? Personally I see no reason to have to pay to listen to people on soapboxes in public parks. Either request payment up front or pay for it yourself, but stop trying to place billboards in the public parks. The citizens don't like it.
Hmmm...does "haunted" include passive defense systems? It is illegal to "set a trap" (in all states?) against illegal entry, but if you remoted a.22 caliber semi-auto wouldn't using it be legally similar to being there in person? Interesting times in which we live,eh?
"As for the whitepaper, it seems to me it was written by a *nix admin with little Windows server experience (which describes a majority of/. readers as well)."
The internal MS whitepaper was written by MS Windows 2000 Server Product Group member David Brooksr. Probably not a *nix admin with little windows server experience...ya think?
Yeah but wasn't JFK president then? I don't think the W is going to be interested in civil rights cases so much as coporate rights cases. Different perspective.
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Seven Danish IT directors, including Lembøl, have got together under the auspices of the Association of Danish Municipalities, to investigate open source software packages as an alternative to Microsoft products.
In particular, they are interested in StarOffice 6 (a full version of which is due in March) because of the potential savings it offers over Office 2000, and because it could be rolled out with minimum disruption.
Moving to StarOffice could save roughly 100 per user annually in licensing charges, Lembøl estimates. Upon completion of a product evaluation, lasting between two to three months, of StarOffice 6, the group of seven managers plans to put forward recommendations to their peers in other municipal councils.
The recommendations are not mandatory but the prospect of 275 municipalities with 55,000 desktops eyeing open source alternatives is unwelcome news for Microsoft.
After completing an evaluation of StarOffice, Lembøl and his colleagues plan to evaluate Linux as a replacement for Windows 2000 on the server (and possibly desktop), though looking at an alternative to Office remains top of the agenda.
"Because of Microsoft's dominance in both office and operating systems, several government institutions are working on creating alternatives, primarily the combination of Linux and StarOffice."
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/archive/2413
How can I steal it if it's "free?"
Restate that to "how can I capture that if its to remain free.
The perspective you are missing is that the freedom has to do with the ability of the software to remain free. Hence, the BSD liscense grants you the user more "freedom" in that BSD-ed software can be caputured and enslaved to the benifit of the software-slaver. GPL-ed software has a "live free or die" clause. The software must remain free, so your "freedom" to enslave is denied to the greater benifit of freedom to the community.
In terms of sacrifing liberty for security, isn't that actually what you suggest: that the Liberty-as-in-Freedom forever of the GPL be sacrificed for the temporary Security-as-in-Economic rewards for a few right now?
"In early 2000, as InterTrust's market cap began vanishing, Microsoft launched its .NET initiative, with its focus on networked computing. InterTrust executives watched in horror as Microsoft began introducing DRM and trust features on nearly all its products. "
Of course, to view the statements one must have already bought a membership. Like the NYT login, only involving cash. Hmmm...
Yes but is that sustained or peak? Is the benchmark artifical or simulating real conditions?
Methinks 20 is closer than 80MB/sec, and maybe even 10...depending on whats actually being done.
Device probing isn't "dumb-downed". Extending the intelligence of the system is a good thing, not a bad thing. When I change mice, I expect to run the control panel...no big deal. In terms of ruining for the rest...not likely. Turning Linux into Windows is a slippery slope arguement. I use blackbox and rxvt/screen to run emacs and mc. Not a "windows" kinda guy.
"I use Mandrake, and actually like it quite a bit." Followed by only being willing to pay for Redhat because of Redhat's cashflow position is just about the *stupidist* thing I seen that wasn't meant to be a troll. Doesn't the intrinsic value of the software matter more than the company's financial status? Else, why aren't you using MS? Thats exactly like voting for the richest candidate.
Easy to install also means probing for hardware and having drivers. Mandrake does the best job of of the major distributions when it comes to painlessly installing a working system. My mouse scrollwheel works. My USB printer works. My actual video monitor was on the scroll list. It was delightful. "Network-deployable and well documented" means dick for "most user friendly desktop distro". Score: -1 Offtopic.
Why not just use NeXT code rather than BSD?
In terms of development, why not just use GNUstep? I percieve nothing to be gained from GNU-Darwin, or from Darwin. The OpenStep specification provided by NeXT and Sun was cool. The FoundationKit, ApplicationKit, Display Postscript, Objective-C look way cool. But why bother with Darwin?
Dude, a 'vette is, like, at least worth much much more than just three other cars. :-)
Ha ha ha...I *just* came back from selling *all* my CDs to Hastings! Once more just under the wire. The myth lives on!
I assumed you were trolling and ignored your reply, but you've been modded up, so... at the expense of feeding a troll I respond: Yes, why would a company give a free jumpstart to its competitors? Strange that you would ask. Since most software is produced for internal use, how the hell would non-distributed software help a competitor who never sees it? So obviously you are building a "strawman" arguement to attack. Or you really don't understand. Developing from GPL-ed software for internal use would give their developers a jumpstart, and it would give their competitors as much of a jumpstart as the sourcecode for MS Windows has given its competitors. Both would be as visible.
"Please explain to me the difference between an application that is redistributed...and an online website...[that]uses a single copy".
Well obviously the former is distributing an application while the former is using the application to distribute information. Big difference.
So what attitude do you recommend one should take with a convicted (criminal) corporation such as microsoft? Is it "attitud" to be aware of their control issues? Perhaps the phrasing could be adjusted, but the gist of the statement was correct. If reality is to politically incorrect, then you are a sheep.
No, but go try and find security patches for a Slackware 1.0 system...case in point, MS is still providing patches to Win98
Yeah but slackware dates 1992. Seen any patches for MS win 3.1 lately?
"Remember the whole point of computers and software is a means to an end. The only reason there are companies that produce and sell software is other companies then use this software to generate wealth."
Yeah but by far most corporate software produced is not for sell. It is for use. So for most cases the only reason companies produce software is because they percieve a need for that software to do something for them. Thus, in the majority of cases, GPLed software is a free jumpstart. Since distribution in a non-issue, there is no problem with the GPL.
The core Windows-based banking application has been rewritten in Java to make it available on any system, including over the web. One iSeries 820 server now runs the entire European operation from London, substantially reducing administration and licence costs.
"Linux runs Java much quicker than Windows. It's the natural operating system to run Java," said Evans, who added that other applications are now gradually being ported to Linux.
The bank is using the multiple-partitions capabilities of IBM's iSeries, which will also connect an xSeries Windows system as if it were another partition.
Banco do Brasil has gone further by consolidating several Windows NT servers onto a single IBM x440, using VMWare to create virtual Windows machines.
An iSeries 820 server consolidates all the European networks into one, linking the six xSeries servers, providing a storage area network (SAN) and file and print services.
Open source Samba handles file and print services and manages existing remote Windows desktops on Linux. Evans said Samba also performed better than Windows. Windows NT system security is set in Samba and passed to and from NT automatically.
A third iSeries server (a model 270) is used as a Lotus Domino server running mail for 250 staff throughout Europe. It also links into the bank's private intranet.
Banco do Brasil has 78,000 employees serving 12 million customers. It has 33 international branches in 21 countries outside Brazil. It has a central data processing centre in Brasilia employing 1,200 IT staff.
Most people in the Dorms here go with the campus LAN for $50/month. Its somewhat faster than dialup (and decent now while everyone is home for thanksgiving). Those who purchase a cable modem are known to disappear for about a week to ten days. They resurface and life goes on...but the thing is that once a "click" instantly displays the new web page the transitions are so smooth that hours and hours go by. Its possible to actually open every single link at the bottom of a web page without feeling the need to make coffee or something while you wait. If we consumed a konstant quantity of online info, then yeah a faster connection would imply less time online. But the fact is that people get bored waiting, and can only swallow so many interuptions before they turn on the tv or get a book. Cable is fast enough that that "turn off" doesn't have to happen.
Mozilla is able to check multiple accounts. Not sure why you think it can't.
"at first IE was simply better"
1) You must be really new for IE to be better "at first". There was alot of catchup before IE was even in the same league.
2)Granted MS has some stability issues, but I wonder how running unstable code under MS could be safer than running stable code?
Well, except its not the company who was "vandalized" who is saying "pay up or we'll sue". This is more like your neighbor saying "pay me money or I'm taking your kid to court for spray painting the town last night".
Advertising is only cruical to the development of the internet if you prefer commercialization. The internet is a communications medium. Why not let those who would serve content pay for their podeum? Personally I see no reason to have to pay to listen to people on soapboxes in public parks. Either request payment up front or pay for it yourself, but stop trying to place billboards in the public parks. The citizens don't like it.
Hmmm...does "haunted" include passive defense systems? It is illegal to "set a trap" (in all states?) against illegal entry, but if you remoted a .22 caliber semi-auto wouldn't using it be legally similar to being there in person? Interesting times in which we live,eh?
"As for the whitepaper, it seems to me it was written by a *nix admin with little Windows server experience (which describes a majority of /. readers as well)."
The internal MS whitepaper was written by MS Windows 2000 Server Product Group member David Brooksr. Probably not a *nix admin with little windows server experience...ya think?
Yeah but wasn't JFK president then? I don't think the W is going to be interested in civil rights cases so much as coporate rights cases. Different perspective.