OH MY DEAR GOD!!! they've updated ELK! I just looked! I think I'm going to pass out... I thought that project was deader than dead. Thank god, I can put it on my 8086 "laptop" I have in my closet:) Yes... I'm being serious. I've wanted to muck around with it for years. I've tried ELK a couple of times, but it was never quite usable really.
Why in $DIETY name would you buy a system that huge, when you can scale it across several inexpensive machines?
Here where I work we have 42 remote sites, and close to 3-400 people just at the corporate office. We run an Exchange box (well, for right now) on a dual-P4 2Ghz with 4 Gigs of ram (JUST for exchange) but we've evaluated our alternatives and are going over to a Linux solution very soon. Samsung Contact looks very nice. The point is, you don't need to run something that huge. It's too monolithic! Not to mention that the newer version of Exchange requires you to run Active Directory, which we're not even remotely going to be rolling out on this network.
Have a corporate server box for $EXCHANGE_SUBSTITUTE which would then not need that high amount of processing power, have a box sitting in the DMZ for Internet relayed mail traffic, and anything else you just scale your infrastructure for. It's worked great for us, and we're using commodity hardware that you can get for less than the latest cutting-edge hardware prices.
Oh yes, we're a Linux shop. I forgot to add that. Our remote sites are Windows desktops with a local samba server (cheap little 600mhz box) for each office, and can't even tell a difference aside from speed and reliability.
I guess the point I'm trying to make has turned into a diatribe. sorry:) And here I am replying to an Anonymous Coward, go me.
That's an excuse for one license--just the one, not one per server. And if the company only HAS one server, (and it's not a supercomputer-type), then they shouldn't have a full time very-expeirenced IT guru. Which means that "simple administration" is the key.
You're absolutely right. Which is why you hire a consultant to set your stuff up right the first time, along with having him configure update scripts and so forth.
It doesn't get much more simple than "put it in and forget about it".
The hilarious part was that Microsoft opening Microsoft Network back then as a "competition" to the Internet had about as much of a chance of working as someone building a road between Baltimore/Washington International Airport and Dulles, and thinking they could become competition against the National Highway Administration just with that road.
The reference was to a timeframe of weeks, not hours in a day or days in a week. It's also a tongue-in-cheek joke likening Microsoft "patches" to the Nicoderm CQ stop-smoking patch program. (if you didn't catch it, and that's why you made the comment)
If that isn't why you made the comment, then it's probably best not to be anal when your just trying to make yourself look cool.
No, the reason I have bandwidth (and quite a few others I'd imagine) is to be able to download perfectly legitimate things from the net that are HUGE.
Try downloading Castle Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory, or Army Operations on a dialup:)
Not to mention doing an "emerge rsync && emerge -u world" would take 2-3 times longer than the actual life of what you are downloading in the first place...
YES!! lol omg, I just imagined in the next few years you'll see rap videos with some guys sitting on the porch drinking their 40's while singing the music, a couple of el caminos go by popping off rounds at the house across the way (just for effect), and a really shadey looking guy in a black trench walks by and casually slips a mini-cd to one of the guys on the steps... after which the guy on the porch, still singing, hands the guy with the trench coat another mini-cd, they hit fists together and he walks off...
Maybe it's because it raises emotions? I mean, how many teens listen to a song if it doesn't raise some sort of emotion... I know when I was a kid, I listened to Metallica, Run DMC, NWA w/EZE, Gwar, etc. It wasn't because my mom and dad were against it. Hell, If it got too loud they just told me to "turn that shit down right now, damn" and I respected that. It was because those bands had a kickin beat, some catchy lyrics (for their time), and in the case of Gwar... well... it was just unadulterated moshing angrily:)
While I don't exactly like all rap & hip hop, some have some very awesome power behind them. DMX, Ja Rule, even old school EZE.
Now when an artist's album consists entirely of songs talking about how he/she is the top MC, and that every other proported MC is going to get a "cap" in his/her "black ass".. then there is a problem =)
According to the fair use act of 1994 (I believe that was the year), basically your allowed to have a copy in any format, as long as you don't trade or give a copy to another individual. Again, if that person already owns that item, the law overlaps the two individuals, allowing the transfer to happen.
So basically, what you just said is now a moot point.
Don't listen to the RIAA lawyers, they haven't changed the law yet. They have been trying to act as if it doesn't exist, but in actuality it does. It also has been held up in court.
You do realize that you don't need to learn something when you listen to music, right? You realize it's for entertainment value, right?
I for one don't go into a record store and walk up to a the person saying, "pardon me, but the content on this disc, how enlightening might I find it? Would you mind if I sampled a tidbit of information from the disc to find it to my intellectual prowess?"
No.. you pretty much sample it to see if you like the songs beat, lyrics, etc... I'll admit, it's nice to hear bands that have inspiring lyrics like Midnight Oil, or Megadeth. However, that doesn't mean I'm pompous enough to say that's all I listen to and that everything else has no right to exist.
I'd hardly put Morbid Angel and Napalm Death in the same genre as Linkin Park and Slipknot....
Morbid Angel and Napalm Death were never really in the mainstream simply because they are considered 'death metal'. (a not very clear genre, but you get the picture) That type of music isn't played on the radio, except during the whee hours of the morning when some channels have their "uber super heavy duty metal hour" or something to that effect.
And yes.. I've heard Napalm Death on one of those shows:P
I don't know about you, but I don't want to be stuck with a 2-3Ghz processor for the rest of my life. Nor do I want to be stuck with the harddrive size that is out today for the rest of my life. Also, CD/DVD recorders are going to jump in speed astronomically over time. I don't want to be stuck with a 32x burner the rest of my life, either.
The difference between the cars from the 50's and computers today is pretty obvious. Look at computers in the 50's compared to computers today, versus cars from the 50's compared to cars of today. They go about the same speed (well, with obvious exceptions), and cars back then were easier to work on.
Such a system wont need more than a 10gb harddisk if even that.
I just installed RedHat 9 on my wife's computer. (Gentoo on mine, don't give me crap) Obviously I didn't do an 'everything' install, but a simple 'workstation' install with KDE selected also came out to 2 gigs. That gives her 7-8 gigs of space to mess with for web/office/email type things. (10 gig drive)
Only reason I said that is because 10 gigs is really enough for the casual computer user.
As far as her downloading things (music files, etc), I have a fileserver with a raided disk array, so no need to worry about clientside disk space =) But that's only a worry if she starts downloading a buttload of ISO images or something.
BTW, the constitutional amendments ruled unconstitutional (wrap your brain around that concept. It would be like the US supremes ruling that a Constituitonal amendment banning flag burning is unconstitutional.) had to do with English as the official state language and requiring a 2/3rd majority to raise taxes.
First off, any ammendment to the constitution banning flag burning IS unconstitutional.
So, now that we're down to the nitty gritty, which were you mad about more, the fact that they didn't standardize on the state language, or the fact that they can raise taxes without a 2/3rd majority vote?
That answer will definately tell me where your morals are.
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Your right, those hardworking coast guard people, the army/navy/airforce/marine soldiers, all of them are great and all.
:)
It's the command officers and executive personnel that do the bad stuff
It just so happens that if the lower personnel don't do their bidding, their punished. Sometimes severely.
OH MY DEAR GOD!!! :) Yes... I'm being serious. I've wanted to muck around with it for years. I've tried ELK a couple of times, but it was never quite usable really.
they've updated ELK! I just looked!
I think I'm going to pass out...
I thought that project was deader than dead. Thank god, I can put it on my 8086 "laptop" I have in my closet
I just wish it offered the ability to use Outlook directly with it :(
That would be soooo nice.. expecially when you have management constantly using the scheduling abilities.
Maybe with Ghost, and an image.
Why in $DIETY name would you buy a system that huge, when you can scale it across several inexpensive machines?
:) And here I am replying to an Anonymous Coward, go me.
Here where I work we have 42 remote sites, and close to 3-400 people just at the corporate office. We run an Exchange box (well, for right now) on a dual-P4 2Ghz with 4 Gigs of ram (JUST for exchange) but we've evaluated our alternatives and are going over to a Linux solution very soon. Samsung Contact looks very nice.
The point is, you don't need to run something that huge. It's too monolithic! Not to mention that the newer version of Exchange requires you to run Active Directory, which we're not even remotely going to be rolling out on this network.
Have a corporate server box for $EXCHANGE_SUBSTITUTE which would then not need that high amount of processing power, have a box sitting in the DMZ for Internet relayed mail traffic, and anything else you just scale your infrastructure for. It's worked great for us, and we're using commodity hardware that you can get for less than the latest cutting-edge hardware prices.
Oh yes, we're a Linux shop. I forgot to add that. Our remote sites are Windows desktops with a local samba server (cheap little 600mhz box) for each office, and can't even tell a difference aside from speed and reliability.
I guess the point I'm trying to make has turned into a diatribe. sorry
That's an excuse for one license--just the one, not one per server. And if the company only HAS one server, (and it's not a supercomputer-type), then they shouldn't have a full time very-expeirenced IT guru. Which means that "simple administration" is the key.
You're absolutely right. Which is why you hire a consultant to set your stuff up right the first time, along with having him configure update scripts and so forth.
It doesn't get much more simple than "put it in and forget about it".
While occasionally a kernel hook is changed that "accidentally" breaks it ;)
LOL
The hilarious part was that Microsoft opening Microsoft Network back then as a "competition" to the Internet had about as much of a chance of working as someone building a road between Baltimore/Washington International Airport and Dulles, and thinking they could become competition against the National Highway Administration just with that road.
It was just plain silly.
The reference was to a timeframe of weeks, not hours in a day or days in a week.
It's also a tongue-in-cheek joke likening Microsoft "patches" to the Nicoderm CQ stop-smoking patch program. (if you didn't catch it, and that's why you made the comment)
If that isn't why you made the comment, then it's probably best not to be anal when your just trying to make yourself look cool.
ahh you have a good point there. :D hehe
Though through it all, a rock will do damage no matter
touche'... good call.
No, the reason I have bandwidth (and quite a few others I'd imagine) is to be able to download perfectly legitimate things from the net that are HUGE.
:)
Try downloading Castle Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory, or Army Operations on a dialup
Not to mention doing an "emerge rsync && emerge -u world" would take 2-3 times longer than the actual life of what you are downloading in the first place...
How about when you see a file that is 1k in size, you don't download it?
Pretty simple, really.
YES!!
lol omg, I just imagined in the next few years you'll see rap videos with some guys sitting on the porch drinking their 40's while singing the music, a couple of el caminos go by popping off rounds at the house across the way (just for effect), and a really shadey looking guy in a black trench walks by and casually slips a mini-cd to one of the guys on the steps... after which the guy on the porch, still singing, hands the guy with the trench coat another mini-cd, they hit fists together and he walks off...
Man, now that's awesome!
heh... nice assumption.
:)
Maybe it's because it raises emotions?
I mean, how many teens listen to a song if it doesn't raise some sort of emotion...
I know when I was a kid, I listened to Metallica, Run DMC, NWA w/EZE, Gwar, etc.
It wasn't because my mom and dad were against it. Hell, If it got too loud they just told me to "turn that shit down right now, damn" and I respected that. It was because those bands had a kickin beat, some catchy lyrics (for their time), and in the case of Gwar... well... it was just unadulterated moshing angrily
I'd have to agree with you.
While I don't exactly like all rap & hip hop, some have some very awesome power behind them.
DMX, Ja Rule, even old school EZE.
Now when an artist's album consists entirely of songs talking about how he/she is the top MC, and that every other proported MC is going to get a "cap" in his/her "black ass".. then there is a problem =)
Have you bothered to get any upgrade RPMs in the past year?
Because ASCII isn't sortable by different columns and rows.
Symantics, really.
According to the fair use act of 1994 (I believe that was the year), basically your allowed to have a copy in any format, as long as you don't trade or give a copy to another individual. Again, if that person already owns that item, the law overlaps the two individuals, allowing the transfer to happen.
So basically, what you just said is now a moot point.
Don't listen to the RIAA lawyers, they haven't changed the law yet. They have been trying to act as if it doesn't exist, but in actuality it does. It also has been held up in court.
You do realize that you don't need to learn something when you listen to music, right? You realize it's for entertainment value, right?
I for one don't go into a record store and walk up to a the person saying, "pardon me, but the content on this disc, how enlightening might I find it? Would you mind if I sampled a tidbit of information from the disc to find it to my intellectual prowess?"
No.. you pretty much sample it to see if you like the songs beat, lyrics, etc...
I'll admit, it's nice to hear bands that have inspiring lyrics like Midnight Oil, or Megadeth. However, that doesn't mean I'm pompous enough to say that's all I listen to and that everything else has no right to exist.
I'd hardly put Morbid Angel and Napalm Death in the same genre as Linkin Park and Slipknot....
:P
Morbid Angel and Napalm Death were never really in the mainstream simply because they are considered 'death metal'. (a not very clear genre, but you get the picture) That type of music isn't played on the radio, except during the whee hours of the morning when some channels have their "uber super heavy duty metal hour" or something to that effect.
And yes.. I've heard Napalm Death on one of those shows
Again, as reiterated throughout the threads, just because you don't like a music doesn't mean you should be "against" it.
Just don't listen to it, you don't have to be a prick about it.
I don't know about you, but I don't want to be stuck with a 2-3Ghz processor for the rest of my life. Nor do I want to be stuck with the harddrive size that is out today for the rest of my life. Also, CD/DVD recorders are going to jump in speed astronomically over time. I don't want to be stuck with a 32x burner the rest of my life, either.
The difference between the cars from the 50's and computers today is pretty obvious. Look at computers in the 50's compared to computers today, versus cars from the 50's compared to cars of today. They go about the same speed (well, with obvious exceptions), and cars back then were easier to work on.
Such a system wont need more than a 10gb harddisk if even that.
I just installed RedHat 9 on my wife's computer. (Gentoo on mine, don't give me crap) Obviously I didn't do an 'everything' install, but a simple 'workstation' install with KDE selected also came out to 2 gigs. That gives her 7-8 gigs of space to mess with for web/office/email type things. (10 gig drive)
Only reason I said that is because 10 gigs is really enough for the casual computer user.
As far as her downloading things (music files, etc), I have a fileserver with a raided disk array, so no need to worry about clientside disk space =) But that's only a worry if she starts downloading a buttload of ISO images or something.
Considering it was a wmv file, I had trouble, definately.
BTW, the constitutional amendments ruled unconstitutional (wrap your brain around that concept. It would be like the US supremes ruling that a Constituitonal amendment banning flag burning is unconstitutional.) had to do with English as the official state language and requiring a 2/3rd majority to raise taxes.
First off, any ammendment to the constitution banning flag burning IS unconstitutional.
So, now that we're down to the nitty gritty, which were you mad about more, the fact that they didn't standardize on the state language, or the fact that they can raise taxes without a 2/3rd majority vote?
That answer will definately tell me where your morals are.