That should not be a problem. Most GPL'd software is licesenced under GPL v2 or later. What that means is that it is multi licensed under many instances of GPL. You can simply choose to not follow the next version of the license.
However, to contribute to the original maintainer, you must multilicense the code under GPL v2 and all newer versions.
In terms of practice what this means is that the code is free even if they screw up. However, if they do screw up, the code may become more free than what you wanted.
Those who want to optimize the machines to use all the flags, let them. For me I do not care. -O3 and -march are good enough for me (well -fomit-frame-pointer for x86). Those are the sane optimizations that produce visible gains. Anything else and you are possibly not even gaining the performance at all.
It is a minor bug because it is easy to fix, not because it is not annoying. If I though it was worth the time, I would fix it myself, it will take me a couple of hours from start to finish, but so far I do not care. I have fallen for it once, and now I do not even notice it. If I fall for it a second time, I will fix it and send the patch.
As far as the install argument goes, 2.5 years ago when I was a linux newbie, I followed the instructions and got the install the first time without any real problems. (2.5 years ago was the time when you assumed the sound would not work after initial setup). I have done it by simply following instructions on the CD. No problems. It even told me which kernel to emerge. No -- it did not give me the reasons for anything, but a newbie does not need reasons, he needs instructions.
In the end I use gentoo because it saves me time. The flexibility is the reason. Where in the other distros I would have to get something done my way, I would have to spend more time. To each his own.
how come accidentially exiting without saving is a common problem?
It is just a bug, where there is a button for exit that does not ask if you want to save settings. Also if you press escape, it will not ask you to save. A minor problem, that someone will fix at some point.
As for USE flags, global flags are a way to go. For example, I do not wish to have KDE on my laptop, yet I want to run KDE based programs. Setting -kde as my flag lets me compile those programs with QT support only. That way these programs will not start spouting kbuildsycoca processes and try to place icons on a bunch of toolbars that I do not have.
Local flags are useful for enabling very specific features. For example, do you want gnucash to be able to grab stock quotes? Set a flag.
For the most part, you can simply not set any flags. The gentoo system comes with a set of default flags set, such that the most common options are configured. If you have kde installed, you get a +kde flag etc. They are there for customization only.
Additionally because of USE flags you, the end user, now have to become a subject matter expert on what libraries and dependacies all programs you are ever going to complie/install on your system needs?
No. The gentoo system has a flag based dependency lists. If you do not have a kde flag, then kdelibs are not a dependency for any program that does not have to be a part of kde, etc.
One example that comes to mind is selecting a kernel during Gentoo install. Last time I tried that I had something like 30+ different kernels to choose from and not all of them were very clear on just what the hell the differences were always.
As far as kernels go, choice is not bad. All these packages are, are just kernels with different patchsets. If you do not know how to pick one, chose the one that the manual recommends. It is not that hard.
Meanwhile my gaming-sources come with the patches that I want without me having to look for them. Other distros simply do not have it.
But I have to say, installing OpenBSD takes usually less then 15 minutes and afterwards, installing packages from the ports works rather well. Why can't Gentoo mimic that kind of success?
Assuming you know the partitioning you want, the complete gentoo install takes less than 15 minutes too. Simply grab stage3 system and unzip it on your root partition. Grab the kernel and bootloader. run the gen-kernel and then the bootloader. You are done. The most time consuming step is compiling the kernel.
So to completely answer your question, Gentoo is a success. It is not a success for everyone. It is expected that you know the system to use it functionally, but a system will work flawlessly even if you do not understand how use flags will change your system.
I am sure some will immediately post the "gentoo is rice" link underneath. Just to preemptively answer that question, I will say that gentoo is anything you want it to be. It is a customizer's distro. You want to try to gain a possible speed improvement by using compiler flags, go ahead. You want to not have a single kde binding, even in kde programs, go ahead. Best of all you do not have to break the system to do it, or spend forever trying.
Suppose you want debian to have a different kernel, that continues to be under package managers regulation...well then I hope you know your kpkg syntax. Want to run kstars, but without kde dependency (I am assuming it is possible with just QT), then it time to break out the source and build your own package. Gentoo is simply easier in this respect.
Does it gain you much? Not really. But some of us are perfectionists, or just simply like flexibility. Hence Gentoo is our choice.
(I still would not recommend it for the server though.)
the hard mask -- which means that the package maintainer does not deem the package to be safe at all.
the ~ mask -- which is the unstable package. You can tell the emerge system that you wish to have the unstable system, in which case it will ignore the ~ mask.
Also, there is such a thing as profiles. They have things such as the version of gcc and glibc that your system uses. If you chose the right profile, you can continue building the system with gcc 2.95. Although the packages are not well tested with it, and no one wants to specifically check and mask each package with older profiles.
Most packages that have user-based postinstalls will print out a message after they complete the install with instructions on what to do.
A good example is GAIM: which prints out a giant message that tells you not to seek help in #gaim for fear of ridicule.
For the packages that do not have instructions, then if it is a/etc/init.d starting package, there is probably a config file in/etc/conf.d. In most case you can always assume there is a default configuration that comes with the package (if one can exist) is going to be used. The program is never started, or set up to start at boot for you.
Yeah, it can be better, but it is not horrible. The only thing that I have had problem figuring out what to do was kismet -- but that is due to poor drivers for my card.
If you have time, you might consider emerging ufed, and going through ALL (including local) flags, deciding whether you need it or not. Gives an ok curses interface for setting them. Careful not to accidentally exit without saving -- a common problem.
Actually, I need to be more specific. The M stands for masked -- as in not valid for install given current settings.
The tilde is the marking for the unstable install. Although it is not visible in the above printout, the unstable version 3.3.4-r2 is not hard masked, while all the 3.4 versions are hard masked.
I will guess that the next update / make.globals change will unmask these versions, and I will upgrade to 3.4.2-r2
Publishing someone's name is not an unreasonable search and seizure of a person or his effects.
What the amendment says is that it takes a warrant or probable cause to do a body search. This also means that airport security can not conduct random searches, because AFAIK that is not a good enough reason. So next time you are searched in the airport, just show them this article. They "must" let you go, but will probably not let you board (their prerogative).
Unfortunately, I believe it is currently illegal to refuse a search and walk out of the airport. I guess this is something I will test the next time I will do leisure travel. I hope someone has bail for me.
It could just as easily be a situation where the pros can scam the system easily, but the average customers gets screwed over regularly. That would drive bad customers to the stores with the database, and drive good customers to stores without it.
Then the stores would stop using it.
See. One sentence, and all is better.:)
Besides, I never said anything about going bankrupt, I just said that they would get the customers that would cause them to lose money.
As for your complaint about stating things as fact: I agree, nothing is perfectly certain. There are assumptions which I did not state. I assumed that the system will actually work. I believed that this assumption was clear in my statement. Apparently it was not.
Well, of course. But that assumes there is a way around it, which is a bit of a challenge, unless you use cash.
But then one can expect a different return policy for cash purchases. This will drive away customers, but most customers who buy large (returnable) items for cash are practically non-existant. Thus the stores will be only driving away a lot of bad customers.
But then again. I am all for it. I do not return items unless they are broken, and this system would mean cheaper products for me.
This is what the free market is for. People will flock to the companies that give have less censorship, and other companies can not do anything to stop those. Hence the market drive toward more freedom.
The main issue is the free market. You have to make sure that monopolies of ANY form do not exist. This would include power companies, phone, cable, etc. Monopolies form a sort of the private government, and IMHO must be treated in the same way.
Example: do you know that your ISP can read your email legally. But some ISP have in their privacy policy that they will not, unless forced by the judicial branch. Choose those that have this policy.
Funny that you mention it. This system will cause all the bad customers to flock to the stores that do not have that system, thus causing them to lose more money. Therefore they are under more pressure to get this system.
This is not a winnable fight from the perspective of the customer.
I think they did this to be able to use WMA format.
I would be surprised if Microsoft provides a linux compatable WMA codec, and I do not know if they license the algorithm or code. Is there any information whether WMA can be licensed to use on linux?
Notice any decrease of drug dealers despite the lengthy jail time they face?
Drugs have this annoying property that the users want them, and are willing to pay very high prices for it. With spam, the users don't want it, and the companies that use it are just looking for very fake advertising, or fraud. Fraud via spam is not that profitable, and the advertising via spam will not tolerate cost increases. So in short, you are right, all the spammers will move overseas.
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That should not be a problem. Most GPL'd software is licesenced under GPL v2 or later. What that means is that it is multi licensed under many instances of GPL. You can simply choose to not follow the next version of the license.
However, to contribute to the original maintainer, you must multilicense the code under GPL v2 and all newer versions.
In terms of practice what this means is that the code is free even if they screw up. However, if they do screw up, the code may become more free than what you wanted.
Wow. Where does one get a load bearing llama?
I have seen a load bearing sheep before, but a llama -- that is awesome.
Does anyone still pay attention to Gartner?
All they are doing is annoying Microsoft so that they can get their monthly paycheck by producing a reverse statement.
They deserve no respect.
I agree with most things that you say.
Those who want to optimize the machines to use all the flags, let them. For me I do not care. -O3 and -march are good enough for me (well -fomit-frame-pointer for x86). Those are the sane optimizations that produce visible gains. Anything else and you are possibly not even gaining the performance at all.
It is a minor bug because it is easy to fix, not because it is not annoying. If I though it was worth the time, I would fix it myself, it will take me a couple of hours from start to finish, but so far I do not care. I have fallen for it once, and now I do not even notice it. If I fall for it a second time, I will fix it and send the patch.
As far as the install argument goes, 2.5 years ago when I was a linux newbie, I followed the instructions and got the install the first time without any real problems. (2.5 years ago was the time when you assumed the sound would not work after initial setup). I have done it by simply following instructions on the CD. No problems. It even told me which kernel to emerge. No -- it did not give me the reasons for anything, but a newbie does not need reasons, he needs instructions.
In the end I use gentoo because it saves me time. The flexibility is the reason. Where in the other distros I would have to get something done my way, I would have to spend more time. To each his own.
how come accidentially exiting without saving is a common problem?
It is just a bug, where there is a button for exit that does not ask if you want to save settings. Also if you press escape, it will not ask you to save. A minor problem, that someone will fix at some point.
As for USE flags, global flags are a way to go. For example, I do not wish to have KDE on my laptop, yet I want to run KDE based programs. Setting -kde as my flag lets me compile those programs with QT support only. That way these programs will not start spouting kbuildsycoca processes and try to place icons on a bunch of toolbars that I do not have.
Local flags are useful for enabling very specific features. For example, do you want gnucash to be able to grab stock quotes? Set a flag.
For the most part, you can simply not set any flags. The gentoo system comes with a set of default flags set, such that the most common options are configured. If you have kde installed, you get a +kde flag etc. They are there for customization only.
Additionally because of USE flags you, the end user, now have to become a subject matter expert on what libraries and dependacies all programs you are ever going to complie/install on your system needs?
No. The gentoo system has a flag based dependency lists. If you do not have a kde flag, then kdelibs are not a dependency for any program that does not have to be a part of kde, etc.
One example that comes to mind is selecting a kernel during Gentoo install. Last time I tried that I had something like 30+ different kernels to choose from and not all of them were very clear on just what the hell the differences were always.
As far as kernels go, choice is not bad. All these packages are, are just kernels with different patchsets. If you do not know how to pick one, chose the one that the manual recommends. It is not that hard.
Meanwhile my gaming-sources come with the patches that I want without me having to look for them. Other distros simply do not have it.
But I have to say, installing OpenBSD takes usually less then 15 minutes and afterwards, installing packages from the ports works rather well. Why can't Gentoo mimic that kind of success?
Assuming you know the partitioning you want, the complete gentoo install takes less than 15 minutes too. Simply grab stage3 system and unzip it on your root partition. Grab the kernel and bootloader. run the gen-kernel and then the bootloader. You are done. The most time consuming step is compiling the kernel.
So to completely answer your question, Gentoo is a success. It is not a success for everyone. It is expected that you know the system to use it functionally, but a system will work flawlessly even if you do not understand how use flags will change your system.
I am sure some will immediately post the "gentoo is rice" link underneath. Just to preemptively answer that question, I will say that gentoo is anything you want it to be. It is a customizer's distro. You want to try to gain a possible speed improvement by using compiler flags, go ahead. You want to not have a single kde binding, even in kde programs, go ahead. Best of all you do not have to break the system to do it, or spend forever trying.
Suppose you want debian to have a different kernel, that continues to be under package managers regulation...well then I hope you know your kpkg syntax. Want to run kstars, but without kde dependency (I am assuming it is possible with just QT), then it time to break out the source and build your own package. Gentoo is simply easier in this respect.
Does it gain you much? Not really. But some of us are perfectionists, or just simply like flexibility. Hence Gentoo is our choice.
(I still would not recommend it for the server though.)
I just wish that they would use the wacky gentoo penguin rather than the 'g' logo.
Speaking of the wacky gentoo penguin. Does anyone else find it strangely similar to this?
To add to this, there are two modes of masking:
the hard mask -- which means that the package maintainer does not deem the package to be safe at all.
the ~ mask -- which is the unstable package. You can tell the emerge system that you wish to have the unstable system, in which case it will ignore the ~ mask.
Also, there is such a thing as profiles. They have things such as the version of gcc and glibc that your system uses. If you chose the right profile, you can continue building the system with gcc 2.95. Although the packages are not well tested with it, and no one wants to specifically check and mask each package with older profiles.
Most packages that have user-based postinstalls will print out a message after they complete the install with instructions on what to do.
/etc/init.d starting package, there is probably a config file in /etc/conf.d. In most case you can always assume there is a default configuration that comes with the package (if one can exist) is going to be used. The program is never started, or set up to start at boot for you.
A good example is GAIM: which prints out a giant message that tells you not to seek help in #gaim for fear of ridicule.
For the packages that do not have instructions, then if it is a
Yeah, it can be better, but it is not horrible.
The only thing that I have had problem figuring out what to do was kismet -- but that is due to poor drivers for my card.
If you have time, you might consider emerging ufed, and going through ALL (including local) flags, deciding whether you need it or not. Gives an ok curses interface for setting them. Careful not to accidentally exit without saving -- a common problem.
Actually, I need to be more specific.
The M stands for masked -- as in not valid for install given current settings.
The tilde is the marking for the unstable install. Although it is not visible in the above printout, the unstable version 3.3.4-r2 is not hard masked, while all the 3.4 versions are hard masked.
I will guess that the next update / make.globals change will unmask these versions, and I will upgrade to 3.4.2-r2
Actually, there is something in the gentoo that is called profiles. Each release has its own. They contain things like default use flags, etc.
/etc/make.globals symlink.
You can set it to whatever version you want by simply relinking the
There is no real need to do this, unless portage suggests doing this AFAIK.
All packages are kept up to date by the standard emerge system, and you will always have the latest version.
And remember to etc-update or etc-dispatch after each update to make sure that you have configuration files that match your versions.
Publishing someone's name is not an unreasonable search and seizure of a person or his effects.
What the amendment says is that it takes a warrant or probable cause to do a body search. This also means that airport security can not conduct random searches, because AFAIK that is not a good enough reason. So next time you are searched in the airport, just show them this article. They "must" let you go, but will probably not let you board (their prerogative).
Unfortunately, I believe it is currently illegal to refuse a search and walk out of the airport. I guess this is something I will test the next time I will do leisure travel. I hope someone has bail for me.
... leaving a trail of burnt developers and quality assurance people in its wake.
Mathematica is available on Linux.
There is also Octave for the Maple fans.
Nah. He is just a standard geek who has not showered in months. Bees hate smelly people.
It could just as easily be a situation where the pros can scam the system easily, but the average customers gets screwed over regularly. That would drive bad customers to the stores with the database, and drive good customers to stores without it.
:)
Then the stores would stop using it.
See. One sentence, and all is better.
Besides, I never said anything about going bankrupt, I just said that they would get the customers that would cause them to lose money.
As for your complaint about stating things as fact: I agree, nothing is perfectly certain. There are assumptions which I did not state. I assumed that the system will actually work. I believed that this assumption was clear in my statement. Apparently it was not.
Well, of course. But that assumes there is a way around it, which is a bit of a challenge, unless you use cash.
But then one can expect a different return policy for cash purchases. This will drive away customers, but most customers who buy large (returnable) items for cash are practically non-existant. Thus the stores will be only driving away a lot of bad customers.
But then again. I am all for it. I do not return items unless they are broken, and this system would mean cheaper products for me.
This is what the free market is for. People will flock to the companies that give have less censorship, and other companies can not do anything to stop those. Hence the market drive toward more freedom.
The main issue is the free market. You have to make sure that monopolies of ANY form do not exist. This would include power companies, phone, cable, etc. Monopolies form a sort of the private government, and IMHO must be treated in the same way.
Example: do you know that your ISP can read your email legally. But some ISP have in their privacy policy that they will not, unless forced by the judicial branch. Choose those that have this policy.
Funny that you mention it. This system will cause all the bad customers to flock to the stores that do not have that system, thus causing them to lose more money. Therefore they are under more pressure to get this system.
This is not a winnable fight from the perspective of the customer.
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Finally someone who understands economics, and has a reasoning look on things.
Welcome to my friends list.
I think they did this to be able to use WMA format.
I would be surprised if Microsoft provides a linux compatable WMA codec, and I do not know if they license the algorithm or code. Is there any information whether WMA can be licensed to use on linux?
If not, then this is probably the reason.
Notice any decrease of drug dealers despite the lengthy jail time they face?
Drugs have this annoying property that the users want them, and are willing to pay very high prices for it. With spam, the users don't want it, and the companies that use it are just looking for very fake advertising, or fraud. Fraud via spam is not that profitable, and the advertising via spam will not tolerate cost increases. So in short, you are right, all the spammers will move overseas.
Guess that should have been:
Yeah, I can get a first post.
Drat.
Yeah, I can write a raytracer in a single day. /He did. It was a looooong day.