SVG seems to me to be a very good user interface tool. Instead of programmatically defining objects, "UI" Artists could define it all with their authoring program, then set the files in an embedded SVG player for 'playback' and 'interaction'.
Has anyone seen this done yet? I know that Flash animators are quite capable of creating very nice interactive unique interfaces which often put "Windowing systems" and "Standard GUI's" to shame... what about the possibility that SVG can be used to replace/supplant/suplement existing GUI systems by abstracting the motin/behaviour out to an authoring system, then just having it embedded in the final app...
Know what I mean? I guess the question is, a) has this been done/is it feasible/possible, and b) what is the event model?
Yeah, thanks for the 'headsup', I already know about this and have my own protection (web proxy marks bad URL's) in place for continued safe browsing... though, I look forward to Apple releasing a fix, of course...
Opera is a nice browser. But I've just gotten too used to the speed of Safari...
The way it looks to me is that MS is paying Opera to shut up about it.
Ah, okay, now that does sound a bit shifty. But hey, $12million is a lot of hush money for a small company like Opera... and thats money they don't have to pay their lawyers.
Seems to me you're right. This whole thing is fishy. I'd rather see it all in public, and for Microsoft to be forced to take responsibility for having fucked up... but alas, money != responsibility...
So David is really responsible for the rampages of Golliath, eh?
Opera accepting the money has nothing to do with Microsofts shady business practices. WTF?
By your reasoning, a woman is as guilty as a rapist for the rape committed... eh? This makes no sense.
A $12million settlement, which is a punishment for having done something wrong, followed by well-propagated news on the reasons for this punishment, is the only safeguard this industry has from future shadiness of this nature... you saying that "Opera are 'as responsible'" for this is just ludicrous, and underlines a serious lack of understanding of the nature of responsibility...
Microsoft attempted to weild un-defeatable might in an attempt to squeeze competition out of the marketplace, and 'get rid of a company that is clearly annoying them', and the justice system caught this, and ruled for the little guy, as it should, punishing Golliath all the while.
Go Opera! If I wasn't so satisfied with Safari, I'd switch... but thank you anyway, U.S. Justice System, for ensuring that my rights as a consumer, and my ability to weild choice are protected in the browser marketplace...
SUV owners are subject to supply and demand just like anyone else. As gas prices go up demand for SUV's will drop.
Yeah, this is just a pretty way of saying 'those who can afford to pollute the Earth with their oppulance, deserve to... it is, after all 'part of our culture to be this way'"...
Its not the SUV problem I care about, its this problem:
Maybe they just don't give a shit what people like you think.
What if, actually, what I "think" is correct, and the world is going to shit because its full of people who just don't care... should I be any less concerned about those people than I am right now?
In the big picture: What the hell difference does that 10 years make?
The moment someone makes it cool for mobs to be green, then we'll see the Mob turned against this problem... but right now, nobody seems to care, everyone just wants to profit from the crowd, or be in the crowd, or seems to think that just because they are part of the crowd, other crowds can't exist economically, etc.
the predictions of disaster are greatly overblown
Are they, though? Or is it perhaps more relevant that the attention given to guaging just how accurate these predictions are, is itself an overblown process, rife with mob view... one can only wonder, and wait and see...
In the meantime, I'm preparing for another stinking hot summer in Europe. What a game.
Question is, when will everyone be convenced there is a problem, and when they are convenced, how willing will they be to give up their SUV's?
This is a good question, but unfortunately it appears that the answer to this question is that people just will not do it (take their fat asses out of their SUV's) unless there is some catastrophic reason to do so...
The SUV syndrome is mob mentality at its utter finest. "If no-body else is going to stop driving SUV's, why should I stop" is really one of the biggest problems with this issue, a typical Consumerican viewpoint, derived directly from the callous mob mentality currently perpetuated by "consumerist" ideals...
Until Solar Towers are proven effective - i.e. have been online, operational, and generating power for at least 2 years, maybe 5, nobody is going to invest in them.
Its far too easy for power brokers to keep their capital tied up in fluid, moving markets, such as those offered by petroleum industries, than to invest heavily in something which currently has no market, and no 'capital strengths' other than "it will make everyone happier"...
Special Interests are cold, vicious animals of our own creating. The corporate view isn't always the holiest one... but give us (yay Aussies!) enough time to bring solar towers into the collective consciousness, and these SI's may turn yet...
Its not like all the missile and space-radar scientists weren't getting all white-paper'y about meteorite attacks when that WhatsItsName Bruce Willis movie was in the theatres...... or the SMART initiative guys getting all festery when the "Day After" movies were made (about nuclear war)... or all the DNA-priests getting all aglow after "GATTACA"...
Not to put a damper on this India-net-testing-ground concept, but I regularly designed systems for ISP's in the US during the 90's that were intended to experience similar work loads, sometimes even greater.
At one point, a deployed RADIUS setup for one of my larger network clients was getting 40-50,000 hits an hour, persistently, for weeks on end. I slept pretty well in those days, due to good, balanced, working-order network design. An operational network able to withstand millions of hits per hour was a very common requirement, and I often had contractual clauses that would require this sort of load-testing as a payment requirement, so you can bet your melted modem we would scale to those sorts of heights in our design, from the starting gate.../.'ers are pretty proud of their 'slashdot effect', but in my opinion the only thing that differentiates the/. meltdown from any other meltdown is that/.'ers have worked hard to get the description of the event into a modern, contemporary online vernacular. heavy mass loads are pretty common in IT infrastructure, wherever you are in the world, by definition... its just that those responsible for it either a) do make a lot of noise about it, or b) do not make any noise about it, and just go on with regular business...
That said, it sure would be nice to one day be able to say that I was responsible, in some way, for deploying a massively useful, massively used, network topology in the Indian market. I'd be happy to do that for the cultural effect on my CV, not just for the dick-swinging effect of having 'built a network that could withstand India'...
... anyone know how to send an SMS from a shell? Is there an "Internet Way" to do it that can be auto-scripted somehow?
I really want to be able to send myself SMS' when processes finish, but I don't want to have to subscribe to any service for the privilege.
Why can't all these damn nets be wide open, grr... (Don't answer that, I know the answer, I'm just being whiny.)
The last time I did this ('94/'95) it was with a modem and a dedicated 800-# calling into my cell provider, which I was lucky enough to wangle the use of, for free, by doing the legwork servicing of some of the POP's for a friend who worked at the cell-co, but things have changed a lot since then... surely there are open, public SMS gateways around that folks can use?
*sigh* ah, for the days of UUCP, where men were men and nets weren't unless they were connected to someone else, freely and openly...
I realized a long time ago that open source was going to lead to a whole new era of 'hardware wars', and that in fact the golden age of computing, when we had all sorts of different systems being designed, promoted, and pushed out to markets that didn't even exist, isn't over.
My view is that the "Desktop War, Microsoft Won" scenario is -one- thing, but the Desktop is one of an infinite # of places where computers can be applied, to good effect... so what? The Desktop is just an old battleground...
It seems that, when they killed GWBASIC.EXE and started 'selling compilers', Microsoft sort of forgot that people want to make their computers do new things just for the fun of it... and Open Source has "streamed around the edges of those Gates", heh heh.
I guess the New Thing to subscribe to these days is custom hardware design... especially if its cheaper to use non-x86 components to do a better job than any "desktop OS" can offer...
i know you were just trying to be flip for a quick slant, but i don't for a minute believe that just because a space-delivery suite of tools was made 'open source', it would be constantly under weight of feature creep...
there are -tons- of very well executed open source projects which set out specific, verifiable, real milestones, and then proceed to make those milestones...
*yawn* wake me up when an interesting CPU architecture comes around, that is worth playing with...
where are the dual-proc small form factor CPU-X(where X is anything -x86) mobo's these days?
it sucks. nobody seems to be pushing the CPU envelope, cheaply any more... its all x86 hegemony, or bust. booo-o-ring.
one thing that the 8-bit days have that is still not happening in this wonderful 'gonzo era of 32-bit' is variety. spice. having an oric-1 and a c64, now -that- was naughty!
not trying to flame, seriously. as a coder, i'm just not inspired by x86 hardware any more...
Yeah, I'm not really speaking literally, either... I figure in 10 years time, if folks like Rolls Royce are allowed to start mass-producing with access to that sort of technology, it might be finally time to invest in a ride... or at least, my first 'space ship'.
But he proposes that instead of beefing up the processing power they should be looking at alternate user interfaces (like they did with the DS).
I see nothing wrong with this approach. The fact is, there are an awful lot of crap, boring games being written, and if you trace it back, kinetically, in the end it could be simply because of the limitations of control.
Consumers ability to control things - touchy feely things like mice and keyboards and such - has definitely been proven to be pretty oblique. On one end of the scale, you have the 8-yr old button-smasher, and on the other end you've got the 33 year old vi-using console jockey. Games have to be good for both ends of that scale, or at least hardware games systems do...
It tends to be a little more significant than the 'raw specs' of hardware, whether or not the box you intend to mass-produce is going to work for -all- control scenario's that might be required for the truly imaginative games of the future which might be possible with these mega-GPU's...
Again, I don't think its A vs. B, here. Sure, its great that we're getting great silicon from the Next Gen game wars, but it is also true that there is a lot left to be done on the human interface, control side of things...
Maybe she didn't fake it, as other posters have pointed out, but her story has had to change, as a consequence of all the attention she has gotten, official and otherwise, in order to protect some of the people whose jobs may well be on the line for having let her do what she did...
Either way, I honestly personally do not think that photo-essay was 'faked' any more than any other average 'web site you read on the internet', and the impact it had on my personal reality of the Chernobyl disaster, anyway, was sufficiently supportive of my own personal sensibilities enought that, fact or fiction, that was one good read on a Sunday afternoon. It made me really consider the consequences of our scientific and technological actions, and her essay also provided a great deal of hope for cultural understanding in the future.
I mean, apart from the odd "TV's Most Scariest Holocaust" re-run, when was the last time whitey thought about the consequences of Chernobyl? If you ask me, April 25 ought to be a World Holiday, and if thats a problem we should get rid of a few of those extra "Queens Birthdays" and "Costco Sellout" holidays, and folks ought to remember nuclear disasters, yearly, together as a united group for one day, lest another one happens for similar reason...
Now, instead of the whole company being held responsible for the actions of employees, the company will instead be able to throw a couple of those employees to the lions and go on with what they were doing.
Just tell me why is it either/or?
What if the precedent for this gets set, then a) individuals can be targeted by law if they break the law, and b) corporations who have been proven to allow/permit/encourage such law-breaking by its constituent members also can be targeted by the law... if they break the law?
Why does it have to be A vs. B all the freakin' time? Life is not dialectic unless you make it so!
Some people obsessively buy only what their friends recommend them to buy - this are 'careful shoppers' who listen to advice - while some other people will always try to learn for themselves, do their own research, etc.
Its simply a scale of trust, and there is no black and white'ness about this, whatsoever. Every single person applies trust to their circumstances similarly but not the same, always... some people trust the opinion of their friends when it comes to buying computers, some only trust their own ideals...
Yeah, you'd be surprised though, that actually most Linux stuff runs and compiles -just fine-... I haven't run into a single thing that had x86-only problems...
Not to mention the fact that their compilers were, for a fairly long time, not even using the PPC register set appropriately, in order to maintain their NeXT kernel heritage from the 68k days... it was truly a dream to boot linuxPPC on my tiBook for the first time, consequentially...
Nevertheless, their system design is pretty nice, and if you do any kind of geneology of the RAD side of comp-sci life, you'll find NextStep in a pretty solid branch, for good reason. The -overall- approach to computer systems design and integration which Apple brought to the Unix table should not be overlooked, either... regardless of a few costly decisions, here and there...
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SVG seems to me to be a very good user interface tool. Instead of programmatically defining objects, "UI" Artists could define it all with their authoring program, then set the files in an embedded SVG player for 'playback' and 'interaction'.
... what about the possibility that SVG can be used to replace/supplant/suplement existing GUI systems by abstracting the motin/behaviour out to an authoring system, then just having it embedded in the final app ...
Has anyone seen this done yet? I know that Flash animators are quite capable of creating very nice interactive unique interfaces which often put "Windowing systems" and "Standard GUI's" to shame
Know what I mean? I guess the question is, a) has this been done/is it feasible/possible, and b) what is the event model?
Safari "supports" MacOSX URL handlers
... though, I look forward to Apple releasing a fix, of course ...
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Yeah, thanks for the 'headsup', I already know about this and have my own protection (web proxy marks bad URL's) in place for continued safe browsing
Opera is a nice browser. But I've just gotten too used to the speed of Safari
The way it looks to me is that MS is paying Opera to shut up about it.
... and thats money they don't have to pay their lawyers.
... but alas, money != responsibility ...
Ah, okay, now that does sound a bit shifty. But hey, $12million is a lot of hush money for a small company like Opera
Seems to me you're right. This whole thing is fishy. I'd rather see it all in public, and for Microsoft to be forced to take responsibility for having fucked up
So David is really responsible for the rampages of Golliath, eh?
... eh? This makes no sense.
...
... but thank you anyway, U.S. Justice System, for ensuring that my rights as a consumer, and my ability to weild choice are protected in the browser marketplace ...
Opera accepting the money has nothing to do with Microsofts shady business practices. WTF?
By your reasoning, a woman is as guilty as a rapist for the rape committed
A $12million settlement, which is a punishment for having done something wrong, followed by well-propagated news on the reasons for this punishment, is the only safeguard this industry has from future shadiness of this nature... you saying that "Opera are 'as responsible'" for this is just ludicrous, and underlines a serious lack of understanding of the nature of responsibility
Microsoft attempted to weild un-defeatable might in an attempt to squeeze competition out of the marketplace, and 'get rid of a company that is clearly annoying them', and the justice system caught this, and ruled for the little guy, as it should, punishing Golliath all the while.
Go Opera! If I wasn't so satisfied with Safari, I'd switch
... afford ...
What does afford mean to you?
The point of this slashdot article is that nobody can afford to drive SUV's, not even the rich who can right now, because it is destroying the earth.
SUV owners are subject to supply and demand just like anyone else. As gas prices go up demand for SUV's will drop.
... it is, after all 'part of our culture to be this way'" ...
Yeah, this is just a pretty way of saying 'those who can afford to pollute the Earth with their oppulance, deserve to
Its not the SUV problem I care about, its this problem:
... should I be any less concerned about those people than I am right now?
...
Maybe they just don't give a shit what people like you think.
What if, actually, what I "think" is correct, and the world is going to shit because its full of people who just don't care
In the big picture: What the hell difference does that 10 years make?
I dunno, lets find out shall we, Consumerican
supply and demand, just like anyone else ...
... but right now, nobody seems to care, everyone just wants to profit from the crowd, or be in the crowd, or seems to think that just because they are part of the crowd, other crowds can't exist economically, etc.
... one can only wonder, and wait and see ...
Right. Mob mentality. Utterly.
The moment someone makes it cool for mobs to be green, then we'll see the Mob turned against this problem
the predictions of disaster are greatly overblown
Are they, though? Or is it perhaps more relevant that the attention given to guaging just how accurate these predictions are, is itself an overblown process, rife with mob view
In the meantime, I'm preparing for another stinking hot summer in Europe. What a game.
Question is, when will everyone be convenced there is a problem, and when they are convenced, how willing will they be to give up their SUV's?
...
This is a good question, but unfortunately it appears that the answer to this question is that people just will not do it (take their fat asses out of their SUV's) unless there is some catastrophic reason to do so...
The SUV syndrome is mob mentality at its utter finest. "If no-body else is going to stop driving SUV's, why should I stop" is really one of the biggest problems with this issue, a typical Consumerican viewpoint, derived directly from the callous mob mentality currently perpetuated by "consumerist" ideals
A) Special Interests, and:
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... but give us (yay Aussies!) enough time to bring solar towers into the collective consciousness, and these SI's may turn yet ...
B) Special Interests.
Until Solar Towers are proven effective - i.e. have been online, operational, and generating power for at least 2 years, maybe 5, nobody is going to invest in them.
Its far too easy for power brokers to keep their capital tied up in fluid, moving markets, such as those offered by petroleum industries, than to invest heavily in something which currently has no market, and no 'capital strengths' other than "it will make everyone happier"
Special Interests are cold, vicious animals of our own creating. The corporate view isn't always the holiest one
Could very well be.
... ... or the SMART initiative guys getting all festery when the "Day After" movies were made (about nuclear war) ... or all the DNA-priests getting all aglow after "GATTACA" ...
Its not like all the missile and space-radar scientists weren't getting all white-paper'y about meteorite attacks when that WhatsItsName Bruce Willis movie was in the theatres
Hollywood. Its propaganda, done right.
There are a lot of nerds in India. Slashdot is news for nerds. Whats the problem?
Not to put a damper on this India-net-testing-ground concept, but I regularly designed systems for ISP's in the US during the 90's that were intended to experience similar work loads, sometimes even greater.
At one point, a deployed RADIUS setup for one of my larger network clients was getting 40-50,000 hits an hour, persistently, for weeks on end. I slept pretty well in those days, due to good, balanced, working-order network design. An operational network able to withstand millions of hits per hour was a very common requirement, and I often had contractual clauses that would require this sort of load-testing as a payment requirement, so you can bet your melted modem we would scale to those sorts of heights in our design, from the starting gate...
That said, it sure would be nice to one day be able to say that I was responsible, in some way, for deploying a massively useful, massively used, network topology in the Indian market. I'd be happy to do that for the cultural effect on my CV, not just for the dick-swinging effect of having 'built a network that could withstand India'
I really want to be able to send myself SMS' when processes finish, but I don't want to have to subscribe to any service for the privilege.
Why can't all these damn nets be wide open, grr... (Don't answer that, I know the answer, I'm just being whiny.)
The last time I did this ('94/'95) it was with a modem and a dedicated 800-# calling into my cell provider, which I was lucky enough to wangle the use of, for free, by doing the legwork servicing of some of the POP's for a friend who worked at the cell-co, but things have changed a lot since then
*sigh* ah, for the days of UUCP, where men were men and nets weren't unless they were connected to someone else, freely and openly
Open source software shouldn't need it,
... so what? The Desktop is just an old battleground...
... and Open Source has "streamed around the edges of those Gates", heh heh.
... especially if its cheaper to use non-x86 components to do a better job than any "desktop OS" can offer...
Yeah, I completely concur with you on this.
I realized a long time ago that open source was going to lead to a whole new era of 'hardware wars', and that in fact the golden age of computing, when we had all sorts of different systems being designed, promoted, and pushed out to markets that didn't even exist, isn't over.
My view is that the "Desktop War, Microsoft Won" scenario is -one- thing, but the Desktop is one of an infinite # of places where computers can be applied, to good effect
It seems that, when they killed GWBASIC.EXE and started 'selling compilers', Microsoft sort of forgot that people want to make their computers do new things just for the fun of it
I guess the New Thing to subscribe to these days is custom hardware design
yeah okay, you win ... i confess that i work with ARM products every day ... but that dual-proc MIPS system is something worth saving for.
thanks for rising to the bait and providing a good kick in the pants!
i know you were just trying to be flip for a quick slant, but i don't for a minute believe that just because a space-delivery suite of tools was made 'open source', it would be constantly under weight of feature creep...
there are -tons- of very well executed open source projects which set out specific, verifiable, real milestones, and then proceed to make those milestones...
*yawn* wake me up when an interesting CPU architecture comes around, that is worth playing with
where are the dual-proc small form factor CPU-X(where X is anything -x86) mobo's these days?
it sucks. nobody seems to be pushing the CPU envelope, cheaply any more... its all x86 hegemony, or bust. booo-o-ring.
one thing that the 8-bit days have that is still not happening in this wonderful 'gonzo era of 32-bit' is variety. spice. having an oric-1 and a c64, now -that- was naughty!
not trying to flame, seriously. as a coder, i'm just not inspired by x86 hardware any more...
Yeah, I'm not really speaking literally, either
But he proposes that instead of beefing up the processing power they should be looking at alternate user interfaces (like they did with the DS).
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I see nothing wrong with this approach. The fact is, there are an awful lot of crap, boring games being written, and if you trace it back, kinetically, in the end it could be simply because of the limitations of control.
Consumers ability to control things - touchy feely things like mice and keyboards and such - has definitely been proven to be pretty oblique. On one end of the scale, you have the 8-yr old button-smasher, and on the other end you've got the 33 year old vi-using console jockey. Games have to be good for both ends of that scale, or at least hardware games systems do
It tends to be a little more significant than the 'raw specs' of hardware, whether or not the box you intend to mass-produce is going to work for -all- control scenario's that might be required for the truly imaginative games of the future which might be possible with these mega-GPU's
Again, I don't think its A vs. B, here. Sure, its great that we're getting great silicon from the Next Gen game wars, but it is also true that there is a lot left to be done on the human interface, control side of things
Maybe she didn't fake it, as other posters have pointed out, but her story has had to change, as a consequence of all the attention she has gotten, official and otherwise, in order to protect some of the people whose jobs may well be on the line for having let her do what she did
Either way, I honestly personally do not think that photo-essay was 'faked' any more than any other average 'web site you read on the internet', and the impact it had on my personal reality of the Chernobyl disaster, anyway, was sufficiently supportive of my own personal sensibilities enought that, fact or fiction, that was one good read on a Sunday afternoon. It made me really consider the consequences of our scientific and technological actions, and her essay also provided a great deal of hope for cultural understanding in the future.
I mean, apart from the odd "TV's Most Scariest Holocaust" re-run, when was the last time whitey thought about the consequences of Chernobyl? If you ask me, April 25 ought to be a World Holiday, and if thats a problem we should get rid of a few of those extra "Queens Birthdays" and "Costco Sellout" holidays, and folks ought to remember nuclear disasters, yearly, together as a united group for one day, lest another one happens for similar reason...
Now, instead of the whole company being held responsible for the actions of employees, the company will instead be able to throw a couple of those employees to the lions and go on with what they were doing.
... if they break the law?
Just tell me why is it either/or?
What if the precedent for this gets set, then a) individuals can be targeted by law if they break the law, and b) corporations who have been proven to allow/permit/encourage such law-breaking by its constituent members also can be targeted by the law
Why does it have to be A vs. B all the freakin' time? Life is not dialectic unless you make it so!
No need to get swear-y about it.
... some people trust the opinion of their friends when it comes to buying computers, some only trust their own ideals...
Some people obsessively buy only what their friends recommend them to buy - this are 'careful shoppers' who listen to advice - while some other people will always try to learn for themselves, do their own research, etc.
Its simply a scale of trust, and there is no black and white'ness about this, whatsoever. Every single person applies trust to their circumstances similarly but not the same, always
Yeah, you'd be surprised though, that actually most Linux stuff runs and compiles -just fine- ... I haven't run into a single thing that had x86-only problems ...
Not to mention the fact that their compilers were, for a fairly long time, not even using the PPC register set appropriately, in order to maintain their NeXT kernel heritage from the 68k days ... it was truly a dream to boot linuxPPC on my tiBook for the first time, consequentially...
...
Nevertheless, their system design is pretty nice, and if you do any kind of geneology of the RAD side of comp-sci life, you'll find NextStep in a pretty solid branch, for good reason. The -overall- approach to computer systems design and integration which Apple brought to the Unix table should not be overlooked, either... regardless of a few costly decisions, here and there