Why won't it? If the graphics guy tells the IT guy what he needs to do his job, I don't see why a competent IT guy can't put it all on the CD as needed, and leave it at that?
You're saying 'it just wont' but not giving any reasoning other than 'thats the way things are'... but, in a hypothetical discussion with abstract idealism, things are the way we think they are.
Frankly, I think its possible to have a scenario where staff have their CD's, they use them to get work done, and that's all there is to it. Maybe there are monthly updates or regular 'fixes' as needed - but at least in this case all that is required is a new CD be burnt... not some massive administration of a computer system sitting on someones desk.
I'm proposing a completely transparent hardware abstraction through the use of Live CD's, something I guess nobody understood. How cool would it be to have all the disks joined in a CD-booted network into some sort of p2p-like filesystem...
if anything, it proves that we don't need more and more fucking protocols by people who think they're not worth anything unless they've invented something new everyone is using... we need people to implement better existing stuff.
that is all.
its amazing how knee-jerk/. is, people jumping to conclusions, sheesh...
Duh, this is a self-defeating 'hypothesis' if ever I saw one. What's the point of making a 'hypothesis' if its only going to serve to defeat itself?
If the IT guy is doing his job making the "Graphics Guy" CD then it will have everything on it that the graphics guy needs... if he isn't doing his job, then it won't.
Simple.
The point of having the CD is - Absolutey Zero Installable Sofware That Isn't Approved. This is a fundamental holy grail for IT departments.
If you were going to buy a console for the primary purpose of mucking about with it, programmatically, which one would you get?
Does the Linux/PS2 port have a more 'fun' realm than the Linux/XBOX realm?
I've considered getting a couple of gaming platforms, mostly for the hack value - I'd love to make an XBOX or PS2 a workable terminal in my house for various net-related things.
Which system give best bang for the hacker buck, in your opinion?
if the truth is unpalatable to them, then you don't want to work there, plain and simple. move on, find a group with some sort of spine and humanity to work with, they're out there.
people aren't machines. shit happens. the fact that you were laid off shouldn't be any where near as important as the fact that you worked on two projects, and the details about what you did while at those projects should be more important to the recruiter than the fact that you've had a few false-starts.
honestly, sometimes, i think this social/peer/collective 'thinking' about things is pathetic.
I also use ARM cores and have a lot of x86 experience, and I have to say here that the ARM wins hands-down for 'fun' factor, ease-of-use, and sheer bang for the buck.
On the other hand, its much more fun to debug x86 code "out of the box"... with the ARM, you have to do a bit more work setting up a remote debugging environment, or depend on your board vendor for all the tools, which can be a serious drag at times.
My only ARM wish is that I had a beefy ARM-based system to use as my *main* machine in developing binaries for ARM siblings... but alas, its not like I can go to my local vanilla-PC shop and get an ARM-based mobo, stick it in my Shuttle case and call it a day.
So, the cross-compiler territory really is where the trenches must be dug...
It seems a lot of people here are assuming that the x86 as an embedded platform somehow still requires an OS like Windows or Linux.
Just so that its perfectly clear, Linux is both a desktop Operating System, AND an embedded operating system. Linux scales better than a whole lot of systems, QNX and VxWorks included...
Windows is sorta big and bulky, but it runs on an awful lot of things
WTF. Last I checked, Windows only ran on x86 hardware. That's not really 'an awful lot of things', its just pure x86. Oh sure, it used to run on a few other 'exotic' processors, yeah. The last time I really cared about Windows was when I could run it on a dual-CPU MIPS box, and that was years ago. Ain't so no mo'...
Linux, on the other hand, you can *DEFINITELY* say that it runs on an awful... and really... that list grows daily... awful lot of things.
Linux has more CPU-dependence than any other OS, in my opinion, before it...
x86 is only one of about 60 different processors that can be used in consumer electronic devices.
The only question that needs to be asked about whether or not x86 can/should/will be used in consumer electronics devices is the per-unit price.
If you can't get an x86-based chip for integration into your embedded system for, say, $10 - $15, then its not going to happen. The competition in this sector is too fierce. Other, nice, lower power, fun-to-use (RISC, even...), easy-to-integrate processors are out there, which will definitely give the x86 a run for the money.
The only thing x86 has going for it in this space is the development realm - yeah, its great to cross-compile for your target processor, but in the end, its also fun to just run the same binary you just built and run on your PC.
x86 has to get cheaper. Show me an x86-based chip that has tons of SOC-style integrated peripherals, and I'll show you a chip that is just too expensive to compete with the other cpu's we're already using to control stuff, just fine, in consumer electronics-land...
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personally, i often wonder, think, whether or not its useful to consider that by the time someone gets to writing 900 pages about a computer language, that language has become crap.
or, at least, crufted, which everyone knows is on its way to crap.
The whole point of taking someone to court is to prove, or not, whether they are, or not, doing something illegal.
If you've got legal copies of your CD's, and you're sharing the mp3 files with your friends, who also have legal copies of those CD's, YOU'RE STILL A TARGET FOR A LAWSUIT!
Its just that, in the course of that lawsuit, the truth will be revealed.
That's something that people just don't seem to 'get' about these RIAA suits. They're not actually saying that something illegal is going on - only that they suspect it, and want the courts to find out, on an individual basis, what the truth is.
The only thing that will be 'disproven' by a legitimate downloader/sharer going to court, who has actually bought the CD's in question, is that the RIAA's investigative methods are effective. To be effective, they'd have to catch the crooks - if you're innocent, within the law, and exercising your rights, then the RIAA's techniques of discover are clearly flawed.
This is the only thing that will be proven if some legitimate sharer goes to court...
Live CDs like Knoppix are great, especially for demo purposes or as a rescue disk, but they are not exactly fast, especially if you are starting larger programs.
This will change, and in fact I'd say that for the majority of PC users out there with a 48x CD-ROM drive, its quite feasible that they'll never even notice the difference. Its not hard to make a very fast LiveBoot CD... just RAM-exhaustive.
As for security, if there is no boot operating system on a system, and if the hard drive only contains a node image for a FreeNet/torrent-style p2p networked storage resource, particularly if that disk is encrypted (as many FreeNet node disks are), I don't see the problem.
My experience with things like the ROCK build system have lent me to the conclusion that in fact, computing is turning itself inside out. Finally!:)
Why you are being defensive, I do not know, other than perhaps, deep down inside, you understand that it is actually possible for Video Gamers to be classified as an utterly decadent, useless, void waste of human life.
Video Games are just one form of entertainment, and it just so happens that this form of entertainment produces nothing of any value, whatosever, to the problems of feeding humanity.
Its possible that there are -other- things to do in life which are just as rewarding, just as relaxing, and 100x more productive, as playing video games... but if all you ever do for entertainment is "play video games", you'll probably never learn about it.
I consider/. to be a waste of time sometimes too. I also consider it to be entertainment. And, yes, its true, sometimes/. is very, very productive...
All the US has to do is open up its space sector to the auto industry.
That is all.
Ban the concept of "Aero-space" and create only a "TRANSPORTATION" sector. Open it up to GM, and let 'er rip.
The Russians can't really do this - they don't have as grand a free market for massive industrialized production as the US does - but the fact remains that the Russian space program parallels US car industry manufacturing design ideals more than the US program does, that is for damned sure...
Rubbish. Live CD's represent a solution to a problem which has plagued this industry for years. (*cough*Microsoft*cough*)
It is *GOOD* to have so many to choose from... and its good for there to be a thriving 'cottage industry' around building these LiveCD images.
I would like to see a live Boot CD build system which allows you to customize the payload *easily* (easier than it is to actually 'install' something on a local dedicated machine, individually, and administer it, anyway) and use the Read-Only aspect of the Operating System/Applications binaries to full advantage in securing a productive machine and network.
Imagine: you have 20 PC's, all booting from a Live CD which is configured to give all users the tools they need, and can then join the remaining no longer OS-centric hard disks all together in a large, local, p2p network filesystem.
New "graphics" guy comes onboard - give him the "GIMP CD Toolkit" CD, point him in the direction of any machine he wants, and away he goes. No more local PC administration. New 'sales' guy comes onboard, give him the "Office CD Toolkit" and away he goes. All the disks can then be joined together over p2p, and nobody ever has to worry about where their files are stored, or which PC to use, or what the security of an individual node is going to be if someone gets access to it - since a node would be OS-less, and the filesystem dedicated to the p2p fileshare, which would presumably be secure... on the order of a local 'FreeNet' or what-have-you...
I can see that Live Boot CD's are a solution to so many problems... as long as they get easier and easier to make, build, and use...
Last I checked, Russian government-funded things are ill-funded and poorly thrown together which would either indicate lack of funds, mismanagement, or both.
No more, or less so, than any other major government in control of a vast pool of resources. The Russians, for example, are no different in this regard than, say... The United States Government.
You're a victim of propaganda. Fix that.
Lets just assume that what you're saying is true... in which case, the Russians are even more Powerful and Mighty than we imagine, since they're the ones who - in spite of such 'hardships' - are still able to re-supply ISS, still able to make launches, and still running a viable space program in spite of the cost overruns and budget difficulties.
You can't say that as easily about the US. You can say it, but not easily...
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Why won't it? If the graphics guy tells the IT guy what he needs to do his job, I don't see why a competent IT guy can't put it all on the CD as needed, and leave it at that?
... but, in a hypothetical discussion with abstract idealism, things are the way we think they are.
... not some massive administration of a computer system sitting on someones desk.
...
You're saying 'it just wont' but not giving any reasoning other than 'thats the way things are'
Frankly, I think its possible to have a scenario where staff have their CD's, they use them to get work done, and that's all there is to it. Maybe there are monthly updates or regular 'fixes' as needed - but at least in this case all that is required is a new CD be burnt
I'm proposing a completely transparent hardware abstraction through the use of Live CD's, something I guess nobody understood. How cool would it be to have all the disks joined in a CD-booted network into some sort of p2p-like filesystem
Soylent McMuffin is Humans! Its Humans!!!
i don't really agree with him, i think that bowie and reed did nothing but write sci-fi, so therefore in fact, someone had done it.
and, well, i see bowieware and reedix everywhere, but i'm only a fan...
I wish I could download it.
no no, its not sig heil, its ... "whatever ..."
Yeah, I agree, this sucks. Americans *SHOULD NOT* be pumping so much money into killing mechanisms.
The inhumanity of the American military system is astounding.
That they are now looking at perverting the species for the sake of 'defense of a contintental land mass' is sick.
Enough is enough. The System Must Fall.
fuck off, did i say I wanted MIDI to die?
/. is, people jumping to conclusions, sheesh ...
no. i didn't.
in fact, I want MIDI to live. And so it bloody well will!
if anything, it proves that we don't need more and more fucking protocols by people who think they're not worth anything unless they've invented something new everyone is using... we need people to implement better existing stuff.
that is all.
its amazing how knee-jerk
... that refuses to die: MIDI
Duh, this is a self-defeating 'hypothesis' if ever I saw one. What's the point of making a 'hypothesis' if its only going to serve to defeat itself?
... if he isn't doing his job, then it won't.
If the IT guy is doing his job making the "Graphics Guy" CD then it will have everything on it that the graphics guy needs
Simple.
The point of having the CD is - Absolutey Zero Installable Sofware That Isn't Approved. This is a fundamental holy grail for IT departments.
If you were going to buy a console for the primary purpose of mucking about with it, programmatically, which one would you get?
Does the Linux/PS2 port have a more 'fun' realm than the Linux/XBOX realm?
I've considered getting a couple of gaming platforms, mostly for the hack value - I'd love to make an XBOX or PS2 a workable terminal in my house for various net-related things.
Which system give best bang for the hacker buck, in your opinion?
yeah really. just tell the truth.
if the truth is unpalatable to them, then you don't want to work there, plain and simple. move on, find a group with some sort of spine and humanity to work with, they're out there.
people aren't machines. shit happens. the fact that you were laid off shouldn't be any where near as important as the fact that you worked on two projects, and the details about what you did while at those projects should be more important to the recruiter than the fact that you've had a few false-starts.
honestly, sometimes, i think this social/peer/collective 'thinking' about things is pathetic.
don't bend to the mob, ever!
I also use ARM cores and have a lot of x86 experience, and I have to say here that the ARM wins hands-down for 'fun' factor, ease-of-use, and sheer bang for the buck.
... with the ARM, you have to do a bit more work setting up a remote debugging environment, or depend on your board vendor for all the tools, which can be a serious drag at times.
... but alas, its not like I can go to my local vanilla-PC shop and get an ARM-based mobo, stick it in my Shuttle case and call it a day.
...
On the other hand, its much more fun to debug x86 code "out of the box"
My only ARM wish is that I had a beefy ARM-based system to use as my *main* machine in developing binaries for ARM siblings
So, the cross-compiler territory really is where the trenches must be dug
It seems a lot of people here are assuming that the x86 as an embedded platform somehow still requires an OS like Windows or Linux.
...
Just so that its perfectly clear, Linux is both a desktop Operating System, AND an embedded operating system. Linux scales better than a whole lot of systems, QNX and VxWorks included
Windows is sorta big and bulky, but it runs on an awful lot of things
...
... and really ... that list grows daily ... awful lot of things.
WTF. Last I checked, Windows only ran on x86 hardware. That's not really 'an awful lot of things', its just pure x86. Oh sure, it used to run on a few other 'exotic' processors, yeah. The last time I really cared about Windows was when I could run it on a dual-CPU MIPS box, and that was years ago. Ain't so no mo'
Linux, on the other hand, you can *DEFINITELY* say that it runs on an awful
Linux has more CPU-dependence than any other OS, in my opinion, before it...
x86 is only one of about 60 different processors that can be used in consumer electronic devices.
...
The only question that needs to be asked about whether or not x86 can/should/will be used in consumer electronics devices is the per-unit price.
If you can't get an x86-based chip for integration into your embedded system for, say, $10 - $15, then its not going to happen. The competition in this sector is too fierce. Other, nice, lower power, fun-to-use (RISC, even...), easy-to-integrate processors are out there, which will definitely give the x86 a run for the money.
The only thing x86 has going for it in this space is the development realm - yeah, its great to cross-compile for your target processor, but in the end, its also fun to just run the same binary you just built and run on your PC.
x86 has to get cheaper. Show me an x86-based chip that has tons of SOC-style integrated peripherals, and I'll show you a chip that is just too expensive to compete with the other cpu's we're already using to control stuff, just fine, in consumer electronics-land
What kind of activity do you do for entertainment value brings value or creates something of value?
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I write tunes and participate in community whose purpose is the continued writing of tunes by its members...
I write code.
And, I learn a new language
personally, i often wonder, think, whether or not its useful to consider that by the time someone gets to writing 900 pages about a computer language, that language has become crap.
or, at least, crufted, which everyone knows is on its way to crap.
The whole point of taking someone to court is to prove, or not, whether they are, or not, doing something illegal.
...
If you've got legal copies of your CD's, and you're sharing the mp3 files with your friends, who also have legal copies of those CD's, YOU'RE STILL A TARGET FOR A LAWSUIT!
Its just that, in the course of that lawsuit, the truth will be revealed.
That's something that people just don't seem to 'get' about these RIAA suits. They're not actually saying that something illegal is going on - only that they suspect it, and want the courts to find out, on an individual basis, what the truth is.
The only thing that will be 'disproven' by a legitimate downloader/sharer going to court, who has actually bought the CD's in question, is that the RIAA's investigative methods are effective. To be effective, they'd have to catch the crooks - if you're innocent, within the law, and exercising your rights, then the RIAA's techniques of discover are clearly flawed.
This is the only thing that will be proven if some legitimate sharer goes to court
i do that so much i no longer worry about it ... but thanks for caring.
(actually whats needed is a bigger Preview button...)
Live CDs like Knoppix are great, especially for demo purposes or as a rescue disk, but they are not exactly fast, especially if you are starting larger programs.
... just RAM-exhaustive.
:)
This will change, and in fact I'd say that for the majority of PC users out there with a 48x CD-ROM drive, its quite feasible that they'll never even notice the difference. Its not hard to make a very fast LiveBoot CD
As for security, if there is no boot operating system on a system, and if the hard drive only contains a node image for a FreeNet/torrent-style p2p networked storage resource, particularly if that disk is encrypted (as many FreeNet node disks are), I don't see the problem.
My experience with things like the ROCK build system have lent me to the conclusion that in fact, computing is turning itself inside out. Finally!
Why you are being defensive, I do not know, other than perhaps, deep down inside, you understand that it is actually possible for Video Gamers to be classified as an utterly decadent, useless, void waste of human life.
/. to be a waste of time sometimes too. I also consider it to be entertainment. And, yes, its true, sometimes /. is very, very productive ...
Video Games are just one form of entertainment, and it just so happens that this form of entertainment produces nothing of any value, whatosever, to the problems of feeding humanity.
Its possible that there are -other- things to do in life which are just as rewarding, just as relaxing, and 100x more productive, as playing video games... but if all you ever do for entertainment is "play video games", you'll probably never learn about it.
I consider
All the US has to do is open up its space sector to the auto industry.
...
That is all.
Ban the concept of "Aero-space" and create only a "TRANSPORTATION" sector. Open it up to GM, and let 'er rip.
The Russians can't really do this - they don't have as grand a free market for massive industrialized production as the US does - but the fact remains that the Russian space program parallels US car industry manufacturing design ideals more than the US program does, that is for damned sure
Rubbish. Live CD's represent a solution to a problem which has plagued this industry for years. (*cough*Microsoft*cough*)
... and its good for there to be a thriving 'cottage industry' around building these LiveCD images.
... on the order of a local 'FreeNet' or what-have-you ...
...
It is *GOOD* to have so many to choose from
I would like to see a live Boot CD build system which allows you to customize the payload *easily* (easier than it is to actually 'install' something on a local dedicated machine, individually, and administer it, anyway) and use the Read-Only aspect of the Operating System/Applications binaries to full advantage in securing a productive machine and network.
Imagine: you have 20 PC's, all booting from a Live CD which is configured to give all users the tools they need, and can then join the remaining no longer OS-centric hard disks all together in a large, local, p2p network filesystem.
New "graphics" guy comes onboard - give him the "GIMP CD Toolkit" CD, point him in the direction of any machine he wants, and away he goes. No more local PC administration. New 'sales' guy comes onboard, give him the "Office CD Toolkit" and away he goes. All the disks can then be joined together over p2p, and nobody ever has to worry about where their files are stored, or which PC to use, or what the security of an individual node is going to be if someone gets access to it - since a node would be OS-less, and the filesystem dedicated to the p2p fileshare, which would presumably be secure
I can see that Live Boot CD's are a solution to so many problems... as long as they get easier and easier to make, build, and use
What is a market for computers if it isn't "a way in which a computer can be used"?
...
There are no niches there are only applications
Classic Propaganda:
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Last I checked, Russian government-funded things are ill-funded and poorly thrown together which would either indicate lack of funds, mismanagement, or both.
No more, or less so, than any other major government in control of a vast pool of resources. The Russians, for example, are no different in this regard than, say... The United States Government.
You're a victim of propaganda. Fix that.
Lets just assume that what you're saying is true... in which case, the Russians are even more Powerful and Mighty than we imagine, since they're the ones who - in spite of such 'hardships' - are still able to re-supply ISS, still able to make launches, and still running a viable space program in spite of the cost overruns and budget difficulties.
You can't say that as easily about the US. You can say it, but not easily