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William Gibson on his Tech Life and Latest Novel

An anonymous reader writes "The Philadelphia Inquirer is running a brief article on William Gibson. In it he discusses his tech life, the ad that inspired Neuromancer, and his latest book, Pattern Recognition. He says, 'Between my wife and daughter who still lives at home, I'm always the one with the slowest computer. I don't find that being really up on all the latest tech ever does me any good.'"

269 comments

  1. Turns out... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    He's running a 286, and that copy of MS Word 2.0 is suiting him just fine.

    1. Re:Turns out... by Basehart · · Score: 1

      I could've sworn I saw a picture of his home office with an old mac on the table.

    2. Re:Turns out... by ctrl-alt-elite · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I guess 640k of RAM really is good enough for anyone...

    3. Re:Turns out... by dangerweasel · · Score: 0

      I remember seeing an interview with him where he mentioned writing neuromancer on a typewriter, so you may not be far off on this.

    4. Re:Turns out... by Thag · · Score: 1

      Actually, there are a number of writers who use out-of-date text-based word processors, such as WordStar, because they don't distract them from the writing process as much, and they're not screwed up feature landfills like Microsoft Word.

      Jon Acheson

      --
      All opinions expressed herein are my own, and not those of my employers, who are appalled.
  2. Re:Where's the VOICE RECOG.?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Uh, no. Any type of creative writting is difficult enough w/o having to worry about voice recognition's general suckyness.

  3. Better than Gibson, IMO by ObviousGuy · · Score: 3, Funny

    Although he's not really well known nor as critically acclaimed, I really like Kilgore Trout. I don't think his books are in print anymore, he died a few years back.

    So it goes.

    --
    I have been pwned because my /. password was too easy to guess.
    1. Re:Better than Gibson, IMO by Unnngh! · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I was never clear on this...Kilgore Trout was originally a character in Kurt Vonnegut Jr.'s novels. And yet I know that *someone* published books under the pseudonym. Was it actually Vonnegut or someone else?

    2. Re:Better than Gibson, IMO by russotto · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Philip Jose Farmer wrote _Venus on the Half Shell_ as Kilgore Trout. Vonnegut gave him permission, but hasn't let anyone do a Trout book since.

    3. Re:Better than Gibson, IMO by marko123 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Breakfast of Champions. Movie version is very very wacky, and has Bruce Willis in it from memory. Also the cute chick from Becker.

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      http://pcblues.com - Digits and Wood
    4. Re:Better than Gibson, IMO by sideshow · · Score: 1

      Look at his sig. "So it goes" is probably one of Vonnegutts more famous sayings. I'm sure he knows who Trout is.

      --

      Hollow words will burn and hollow men will burn.

    5. Re:Better than Gibson, IMO by kubrick · · Score: 1

      Some trivia: the author's photo on the back of my copy is Vonnegut (in costume).

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      deus does not exist but if he does
    6. Re:Better than Gibson, IMO by pedro · · Score: 1

      Excellent book, though, also.
      His answer to the Big Question(tm) "What's this all about, REALLY?" was far more satisfying than the blase' pseudo-existential skirting of the issue conclusion Hitchhiker provided.

      --
      Brak: What's THAT?
      Thundercleese: A light switch.. of TOTAL DEVASTATION!
  4. He used to blog.. by aurum42 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Gibson used to maintain a fairly interesting blog, but he quit to work on his "day job", which is really too bad - I like looking in on the lives of the writers I read, although it feels a little voyeuristic at times (and that's when I stop). It's fascinating seeing the creative process in action.

    --
    "The slave who knows his master's will and does not get ready...will be be beaten with many blows."Luke 12:47-48
    1. Re:He used to blog.. by metlin · · Score: 5, Interesting

      He gave a talk at Georgia Tech last week, and it was quite cool.

      He actually explained why he had stopped blogging. He felt that when he had the "urge" to write or do something, the net is an easy outlet but not the best. Writing, on the other hand is a more organized and better outlet, and ofcourse has better benefits :)

      I had also asked him about why he had ended Neuromancer in a way that almost killed all the characters (in terms of a future) -- and his response was something along the lines of, even if down the line I'm so broke that I want to write a sequel, I should not be able to, because it won't be the work of the moment. He said that he would ideally like to re-write Neuromancer, and felt bad about how he had not thought about cellphones and other common technologies being common in the real future :)

      A really cool guy, and he really gave very proper answers for everything. And yes, he said his favourite book was Idoru.

      And I strongly recommend reading Pattern Recognition to those of who who have not -- that book rocks!

    2. Re:He used to blog.. by Mad_Rain · · Score: 3, Informative

      He also did a movie called "No Maps For These Territories" that lends a good deal of insight into his personality. I just watched it, and thought it was pretty cool.

      --
      "What do you think?" "I think 'What, do you think?!'"
    3. Re:He used to blog.. by piffy · · Score: 1

      I loved Idoru. It was much better than Neuromancer, in my opinion. It's kinda cool to know that your opinion of a book is in line with the author.

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      www.piffy.org -- me.
  5. Re:Where's the VOICE RECOG.?! by El · · Score: 4, Funny

    Don't know about you, but I can type faster than I can dictate... have you tried using BOTH hands?

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    "Freedom means freedom for everybody" -- Dick Cheney

  6. here's a Pattern Recognition by maliabu · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    if a male in the family doesn't find that being really up on all the latest tech ever does any good, it's the sour-grape effect!

  7. Why won't my memory stick fit in my ear? by Supp0rtLinux · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "I remember seeing posters for the small, semi-portable version of the Apple IIc".

    Just goes to show what using an Apple can do for you. :) Rumor has it he has another book on the way... and one with a movie deal in the works. Maybe they'll pass on Keanu this time and get a real actor and his next book-based movie won't suck so bad.

    Still working on how to get my new 512Mb USB 2.0 memory stick to interface with my brain.

    The only thing necessary for Micro$oft to triumph is for a few good programmers to do nothing". North County Computers

    1. Re:Why won't my memory stick fit in my ear? by cmowire · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The problem is that the one movie that I'd *love* to see is Neuromancer. The rights to it sat unused in the eighties because of "Cabana Boys Productions" (who were actually 2 cabana boys) and, at this point, the non-initiated would just view it as a lame attempt to copy the Matrix.

      Wait 50 years and we'll be able to do it like they do Jules Verne novels, I guess.

      Otherwise, it's as he said, you can make a movie without actually buying any rights. And he's not famous enough, outside of certain communities, to sell on name recognition.

    2. Re:Why won't my memory stick fit in my ear? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, you could have saved your karma and used the email form on said webpage to flame me personally. ;)

    3. Re:Why won't my memory stick fit in my ear? by Supp0rtLinux · · Score: 0

      Offtopic??? Who the heck moderated this? The article was about the author and spent a good portion of it discussing movies based on his works or derived from them. My comment was about his forthcoming book with a movie deal and included a comment taken right out of one of his novels-to-movie. How the heck is that considered offtopic? Stupid? maybe. Opinionated? definitely. But offtopic? not hardly. Someone please help me save my karma bonus and re-mod me.

    4. Re:Why won't my memory stick fit in my ear? by Supp0rtLinux · · Score: 1

      Damnit. I meant to put a check mark in there and *not* use it. Now I'll go down with flamebait moderations and lose my precious Karma Bonus. Next time I'll keep my opinion to myself. :)

    5. Re:Why won't my memory stick fit in my ear? by badboy_tw2002 · · Score: 1

      I gotta say that while Keanu did his part, he was only a portion of why that movie sucked. You can't have a decent movie if you start with a bad script (see Star Wars I, II). And who wrote the script? Yeah, Gibson. He should let the screenwriting be done by a screenwriter next time.

    6. Re:Why won't my memory stick fit in my ear? by d34thm0nk3y · · Score: 2, Informative

      There was a movie made based on New Rose Hotel about corporate extractions. Christopher Walken was in it but it still sucked.

    7. Re:Why won't my memory stick fit in my ear? by Bodhammer · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I remember reading that Gibson was hired to write the screenplay for Alien III. The production and process sickened him so much he would not let them put his name on the credits. Given the disaster it was, I think he made a great call. See this.

      Given his storytelling and dialog I think he could write great screenplay (I have not read it so I might be full of shit.... He just doesn't want to see his work trashed by the fuckwits in Hollywierd...

      --
      "I say we take off, nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure."
    8. Re:Why won't my memory stick fit in my ear? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      chris cunningham of music video directing fame is working on a movie adaptation of neuromancer

    9. Re:Why won't my memory stick fit in my ear? by Lagrange5 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      In about 1998 or 1999, Gibson gave his blessing to a young artist, who was apparently a one-time assistant to Stanley Kubrick, to make Neuromancer into a movie. His name escapes me. Nothing's come of it, and literally no word of that project has been made since.

      Personally, I'm getting to doubt Neuromancer should even be attempted in live action filming. Good examples of cyberpunk are very rare ... Blade Runner (which practically defines the genre by itself), The Terminator, and the original Matrix are three examples ... and the genre's all but dead already. If Neuromancer is ever done, I think it should probably be done in anime ... something so audaciously ambitious it would surpass Katsuhiro Otomo's classic Akira. Get enough backing, the right artists and the right actors to voice the characters, and it could really work.

      As it is now, I fear the spirit of a Neuromancer movie will turn out to be closer to Johnny Mnemonic than Blade Runner. In that case it would be better not to film it at all.

      --
      "Folks just call him Buckethead." -- Les Claypool
    10. Re:Why won't my memory stick fit in my ear? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can always read the script though.

    11. Re:Why won't my memory stick fit in my ear? by wintermute740 · · Score: 1

      "Rumor has it he has another book on the way... and one with a movie deal in the works. Maybe they'll pass on Keanu this time and get a real actor and his next book-based movie won't suck so bad."

      I actually enjoyed Jonny Mnemonic. I was disappointed that it didn't stick closer to the short story, but I realize why Gibson had to stray from it.

      Another story that was adapted was New Rose Hotel. I enjoyed the short story, but the movie (adapted and directed by Abel Ferrara, and starring Christopher Walken and Willem Dafoe) was a bit forgettable. Maybe I was just tired when I watched it, but I had an extremely hard time following it. Maybe, if I can find it again, I'll rent it and give it another chance. Some movies are like that with me (shrug).

    12. Re:Why won't my memory stick fit in my ear? by hitmark · · Score: 1

      there is a roumor floating around the net that says the film gibson turned in is not what hit the cinemas.

      personaly i kinda like the film for some reason.

      --
      comment first, facts later. http://chem.tufts.edu/AnswersInScience/RelativityofWrong.htm
    13. Re:Why won't my memory stick fit in my ear? by dindi · · Score: 1

      Exactly ... New rose hotel ... it kinda sucked, but if you read the book, it was kinda similar ... as I remember it was part of the Burning Chrome collection :)

    14. Re:Why won't my memory stick fit in my ear? by cmowire · · Score: 1

      See, the problem is that Neuromancer, without huge rewrites that would kind of destroy the whole point of making it, wouldn't be relevant anymore. At this point, you'd have to treat it as a "reality that could have been" instead of a vision of the future. And remember, most people "on the street" don't know about Gibson and haven't cared about Cyberpunk since pop-cyberpunk imploded, giving birth to some pretty wretched stuff.

      Hence my Jules Verne comment.

      It was pointed out to me, and I agree wholeheartedly with it, that cyberpunk happened, just not in the way we envisioned it, just as the Nautalus from 20,000 Leagues doesn't match up to the USS Nautalus, the first nuclear submarine.

      The other problem is that Blade Runner, as far as Gibson is concerned, gets most of the non-cyberspace visuals right. And cyberspace visuals are now officially lame and tired. Even as an anime, I don't think it would bring much to the plate to be actually influental. I think, at the best, all it would do is partially satisfy some portion of the book fans, depending on how much butchering would be done.

      I think the best way to really film Neuromancer is to treat it as a movie about what could have been. A homage to what could have happened 20-30 years after it was written, had things turned out differently.

      The problem is that nobody "big" who has a chance to really make it happen has gotten interested in it. Neuromancer has been plauged with nobodys, semi-nobodys, and half-wits trying to put it together and failing. Like Cabana Boys Productions, who sat on the rights for the years before the Matrix when it might have been able to be a blockbuster hit.

    15. Re:Why won't my memory stick fit in my ear? by /dev/kev · · Score: 1

      I think the best way to really film Neuromancer is to treat it as a movie about what could have been. A homage to what could have happened 20-30 years after it was written, had things turned out differently.

      I've said it before, and I'll say it again - the Gibson book I'd LOVE to see as a movie is "The Difference Engine". Forget about going back 20-30 years for a different look, go back 100+ years to see what it would be like if the industrial revolution short-circuited into the information revolution. Just take out all of Sterling's rubbish and it could be really truly great. And because nothing even remotely like it has been attempted before, it wouldn't fall into the "lame Matrix copy" category. But the challenge of selling a Victorian England period piece (let alone one that also has "computers") to Americans, as well as adapting it down to movie-length (there's just so much stuff, and a lot of exposition too), are considerable, and mean that it'll probably never get made. Oh well.

      Kev.

      --
      Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.
  8. Best quote of the article by glen604 · · Score: 5, Funny

    " I realized no one had tried to write a science-fiction novel as if Lou Reed and David Bowie were writing it."

    I suppose you could say that about a lot of things-
    we need more software that was written as if Lou Reed and David Bowie had written it

    1. Re:Best quote of the article by Bush+Pig · · Score: 1

      You mean, like the developers were on drugs? Nah - it's been done already.

      --
      What a long, strange trip it's been.
    2. Re:Best quote of the article by torpor · · Score: 1

      i don't really agree with him, i think that bowie and reed did nothing but write sci-fi, so therefore in fact, someone had done it.

      and, well, i see bowieware and reedix everywhere, but i'm only a fan...

      --
      ; -- the corruption of government starts with its secrets. a truly free people keep no secrets. --
    3. Re:Best quote of the article by sybil5000 · · Score: 5, Insightful


      Great article. He laid the whole thing out in plain English. He didn't mention his Steely Dan fetish though, present from day one (bars named "The Gentleman Loser" and "The Western World", Klaus & the Rooster... Ahem.)

      What Gibson did, his big cultural contribution, was portray computers and the people who know how to use them as *glamourous*. And he filled that world with dangerous, edgy people.

      Instead of cute little nerds, a la movies of the time like "War Games" and "Short Circuit".

      In Neuromancer, the underlying metaphor is "computers == really good drugs".

      Get that mighty Zion dub boomin, mon...

    4. Re:Best quote of the article by cmacb · · Score: 1

      I thought they were working on Longhorn.

      No?

    5. Re:Best quote of the article by arturov · · Score: 1

      Actually, Steely Dan had a Gibson fetish. Those songs were written after Gibson wrote neuromancer.

    6. Re:Best quote of the article by sybil5000 · · Score: 1

      Not true. "Gentleman Loser" is from the song 'Midnight Cruiser' back in 1972. "Here at the Western World" was written in 1976.

      I know that Steely Dan had a big thing for science fiction though, so it *is* a nice match...

    7. Re:Best quote of the article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not true. "Gentleman Loser" is from the song 'Midnight Cruiser' back in 1972. "Here at the Western World" was written in 1976

      WOOOSH!!! That joke went right over your head didn't it.

    8. Re:Best quote of the article by sybil5000 · · Score: 1

      WOOOSH!!! That joke went right over your head didn't it.

      Pretty much. I still don't get it, but that's all in the past now :)

  9. I agree by gustgr · · Score: 3, Informative

    "I don't find that being really up on all the latest technology ever does me any good."

    Indeed.

    I am at the 6th semester of Computer Science and I see a lot of guys who got low grades and don't know even how to code really basic programs looking for top computers. I belive all they want is to play games.

    Personally I don't need a top-ultra-fast box to get my programs working or improve my programming skills, and even get some fun (ie. MUD).

    Of course if you work with production servers, high definition graphics or movies you need power machines, but regular and ordinary users who only surf on the net, compile some code, edit some texts don't need that all IMHO.

    1. Re:I agree by Lifewish · · Score: 1

      I sympathise completely. On the other hand, low-level knowledge disappears annoyingly quickly - I'm having a hard time learning assembler. OT: can anyone recommend any resources?

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      For the love of God, please learn to spell "ridiculous"!!!
    2. Re:I agree by kertong · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I agree as well. Offtopic, but here's my 2 cents.

      If you have a good computer "know-how", you know how to squeeze the maximum performance out of what you have already.

      Back when I was a freshman at UC Berkeley, I had a job as a Residential Computing Consultant. You know, tech support. You wouldn't believe how many people had top of the line (at the time) Pentium 3s that felt much, much slower than my AMD K6-2, because their windows installation was stuffed full of stupid utilities, realone, popups, popup blockers, popup blocker blockers, the list goes on.

      I am now a unix systems administrator, but to this day, I have yet to buy an athlon, thunderbird, or a pentium 4. My friends always wonder why I'm always on the top of leading edge technology, but alwyas using old, slow, outdated computers. Last computer I really bought was a pentium 3 - it did everything I needed it to do, quickly too. My main workhorse PC is a cyrix 6x86(ugh) 233mhz running freeBSD. Its not as if buying a box with a pentium4 will let me do things I wasn't able to do before - it just does the things I need to be able to do, but faster.

    3. Re:I agree by programmingart · · Score: 1

      I still have and use a 400mhz Pentium II that I got sophmore year in college(1998) as my primary home computer. Granted I maxed the RAM out at 384 MB and upgraded from the 8MB video card to a 32MB Geforce since then. For Internet, compiling, web design and even Flash development, it works for me. Can't play the latest or even recent games though. Since I work all day with computers and continue to go to school working with computers, the last thing I want to do with free time is sit at the computer, even to play a game.

    4. Re:I agree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      can anyone recommend any resources?

      If you can find an original copy of "Zen of Assembly Language" by Mike Abrash is an awesome book. Long out of print and mostly about the 8088, but it was an excellent book for a begginer because it covered such a simple architecture. It also covered the "other stuff" on the board like the onboard clock and PIC. He included it as a PDF on one the CD that came with a later book, so you can probably find the PDF online somewhere. The later book: Zen of Code optimization is out of print too, so I don't know of any legal way to find the PDF.

      Good starting page for faqs and tools.

    5. Re:I agree by Via_Patrino · · Score: 1

      "I don't find that being really up on all the latest technology ever does me any good."

      He might complies with the "Muq's law", I explain:

      I don't like to upgrade my computer, for obvious reason$ and often I realize that I didn't need that much I upgraded.

      So I made some analysis and realized, to a regular user, who just "types/browses/compiles once and while", that:

      An upgrade just worths if your current processor's frequency is lower than the frequency of memory on the machine you're willing to upgrade

      Processors upgrades don't worth very much, a processor 2 times faster in frequency than another doesn't means the same improvement in performance (the memory bottleneck remains).
      Some may put a benchmark of a very cpu intensive task and say it means, but for memory intensive operations like regular users operations are, it's far from it.

      On the other hand if your processor frequency is lower than memory, dude you need an upgrade.

      I tought about that while ago but didn't have a name for it, so know I officialy name it "Muq's law" :-)

      From the: I-want-to-know-everything-dept.
      Muq is from the brazilian slang "muquirana" (someone that doesn't like to spend/give his money).
      In "slang world" when a word may be considered offensive (it's regularly used that way), another word is created, an abreviation of it (so it loses its "sound effect").
      So, to avoid that, and because it sounds better I abreviated to Muq (read muk), and then: "Muq's Law"

      PS: I'm not sure the equivalence of the frequency is even. In fact I think it's 1x processor's versus 1.3x memory's, but let's let it even to simplify.

    6. Re:I agree by LearningHard · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I used to make a big deal out of having an awesome computer. I think I grew up. The only problem is now I am 24 years old and having to go back into college. I wish so much that back when I started college I had paid more attention to attending class. I always did very well in CSCI courses but unfortunately did rather poorly in the math side of things. Oh well, in a couple of years when my fianc ee finishes her graduate work I will go back and do things the right way.

    7. Re:I agree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I disagree with you

      Yes, while most people with the top end stuff in my CS programs tend to be gamers, I think hardcore hackers have top hardware too.

      Lets look at it this way. I compile -tons- of code. When I recompile my kernel or fetch the latest version of GCC, I'd much rather have a P4 3.4 GHz on my side then a K6-2 300 MHz or something. I do lots of simulations and runs too. I like to simulate heavy database access (fast drives and 1GB memory) and lots of general number crunching (CPU intensive). I do lots of math on my systems. I will script something and have it run for hours at a time.

      Do I use my workstation for gaming? no. I game on another rig. Nonetheless I do think that fast and powerful hardware has its uses to hackers too not just gamers and lamers.

      For what you do it sounds that your hardware is powerful enough. But for me--I could never have enough power.

    8. Re:I agree by John+Miles · · Score: 1

      Mike's book is available online, actually: http://www.byte.com/abrash/

      --
      Dahlmann tightly grips the knife, which he may have no idea how to use, and steps out into the plain.
    9. Re:I agree by Endive4Ever · · Score: 1

      Hear, hear.

      I recently picked up a skid of old HP Vectras at an auction. I got ten Pentium II 400 machines for $15 apiece. I've slapped a Pentium III processor in one of them and retired my 'clone' box, which was a P III 800 in a minitower case. The Vectra is smaller, less noisy, and now I'm going to sell off the motherboard out of the 800 machine on eBay for a profit.

      And I've switched my wife to one of the Vectras with the P II processor intact, without even telling her she's been downgraded from a P III 450 to a P II 400. The most strenuous task she puts her computer to is some online java games and Diablo II. And D II runs better now, as the new box has embedded Matrox graphics hardware, whereas her old clone box had a cheap no-name SiS graphic card.

      On the 'server' side, I just got an IBM PC Server 704 at auction for $15, which has provision for four PPro 200 chips (came with just one installed) that I'm going to fire up to be the freenix box here. It has a 'Red Hat' sticker on it from whatever it was used for in the past. I'm going to 'liberate' it for NetBSD.

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    10. Re:I agree by Bigman · · Score: 1

      Damn, my PC at University was an Atari 400. You think I'm joking? I'm not! It was way back in '81...
      I still have it somewhere (I think).

      --
      *--BigMan--- Time flies like an arrow.. but personally I prefer a nice glass of wine!
    11. Re:I agree by kertong · · Score: 1

      with your UID, I don't doubt you one bit. :)

  10. Blasphemy by el-spectre · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Just out of curiosity... am I the only one for whom Neuromancer fell flat? The first 50 or 100 pages were impressive, and... then... it... went... nowhere...

    I really admired how I had a feel for the world in just a coupla pages, but the book seemed to end up in a how-weird-can-you-go mode.

    disclaimer: I just read this 6 months ago... maybe having read/seen other/better stories had jaded me.

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    "Faith: Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel." - A.B.
    1. Re:Blasphemy by cmowire · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually, my largest problem with Neuromancer was that it took many many readings, starting as a grade school student, before I finally really started to understand everything.

      I still re-read the book to pick up new things. I finally realized exactly what Case was talking about when he told Molly to "take advantage of my natural state." lately.

    2. Re:Blasphemy by -tji · · Score: 1

      Same effect for me.. I read it about ten years ago, before I read other books of the genre, and I was not that fond of it.

      I liked "Snow Crash" by Neal Stephenson much better.

      "Permutation City" by Greg Egan went in a different direction, but it was excellent.

    3. Re:Blasphemy by PalmerEldritch42 · · Score: 1

      I'm with you. I read that book about 10 years ago and found it earth-shatteringly dull. Some neat ideas, but the characters weren't that great, and it was definitely not what I would call a page turner. If you want some real futurism and mind-numbing conceptual sci-fi novels, try reading Philip K Dick.

      --
      Ceci n'est pas une sig.

      :wq!

    4. Re:Blasphemy by McCow · · Score: 1

      You aren't the only one. As the story progressed I started loosing interest which is quite rare for me while reading this genre. I have tried re-reading it a number of times and seem incapable of liking it. His more recent books, Idoru and Parties, I found much more enjoyable.

    5. Re:Blasphemy by spir0 · · Score: 1

      I didn't even get that far... but it was many years ago when I tried to read it. From what I remember, it was like reading a book that the author had pulled out a thesaurus to find the most complicated version of every 2nd word. It was mind numbing to read. My ex swears that it's the greatest book she's ever read. Maybe I'm a dullard, but I like books written in plain english.

      I'd have to look at it again to see if that's what actually stopped me reading it.

      --
      The reason girls and Windows users don't understand UNIX is because all the documentation is in Man files.
    6. Re:Blasphemy by el-spectre · · Score: 1

      I found the beginning to be really cool... maybe I was just expecting it to pay off in something spectacular, and was let down.

      Mr. Dick's work is pretty impressive. I also like a lot of the old, "hard" science fiction (like from the 30s and 40s), in particular asimov. In many cases, the science has changed since then, but the stories are self-consistent and well written.

      Besides, I was spoiled by the Foundation series :)

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      "Faith: Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel." - A.B.
    7. Re:Blasphemy by Squidbait · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You have to look at it from the point of view of when it was written. Many of what are now cyberpunk cliches exist because of Neuromancer and its sequels. William Gibson created a whole new world, that was fresh at the time, and he did it with style. For me, the Neuromancer trilogy is to cyberpunkian sci-fi what the Lord of the Rings is to fantasy.

      BTW, I've just started Snow Crash, and from what I can see, this is just Gibson's style pushed over the top, done with less class, and deserving of far less credit given that he has obviously read Gibson's books and is essentially imitating them with a moderate amount of success.

    8. Re:Blasphemy by Neop2Lemus · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Yes, for all I heard about it, its' not anywhere near the standards of Clarke and Asimov.

      A very, very hip book, but not a good one. Its' just not clever enough or plotted well enough. Plenty of cyberpunk counter-culture (which is neat) but that's all I'd have to say for it.

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    9. Re:Blasphemy by mamba-mamba · · Score: 1

      I just read Snowcrash, too, and felt as you do.

      But when I got to the end, I saw that it was originally intended as a graphic novel, so the over-the-topness is somewhat forgiveable.

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    10. Re:Blasphemy by dgmartin98 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I thought Neuromancer was an amazingly great book! I've only read it once, and that was shortly after it came out (10-15 years ago ?). However, since then I've read Idoru, Mona Lisa Overdrive, and The Difference Engine - all of which were a chore to read. I had to force myself to finish those.

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    11. Re:Blasphemy by bmac · · Score: 1

      Sorry, I just don't agree. The darkness, the reality of a society that are slaves to technology -- the pictures the book paints are beyond excellent. "Affordable beauty", "masks" -- incredibly accurate portayals of human vanity.

      Yeah, it's just my opinion, but it and the other two books of the series are just brilliant, not so much for technological prediction as much as just for the human effects of a blind technoculture. Compare his characters to Clark's Rama people -- sure Clark has a wonderful technical perspective but his characters are like robots.

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    12. Re:Blasphemy by mister_tim · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think that's a bit harsh. It's probably fair to assume that Neal Stephenson had read Neuromancer before he wrote Snow Crash, but they are quite different. Snow Crash should belong in a different sub-genre of sci-fi than Neuromancer - it's only marginally cyberpunk in the way Gibson is, and it's a lot funnier and plays on that side of things more. Also, Snow Crash deliberately tries to be 'cool', and succeeds, while Neuromancer is much more serious and sedate.

      Compared to Stephenson's later work (especially The Diamond Age, which could almost count as a sequel), Snow Crash also feels very much like an early novel - and it was. Anyway, I found it much more accessible and enjoyable than Neuromancer when I read them both back in the early-ish 90s - and I've re-read it more often since.

    13. Re:Blasphemy by abigor · · Score: 1

      I agree. Snow Crash just doesn't deserve the hype. I was massively disappointed.

      Not often mentioned are Gibson's other books in the Neuromancer series: Count Zero and Mona Lisa Overdrive. If I remember correctly, the linking character is the enigmatic Molly.

    14. Re:Blasphemy by TXG1112 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I have to agree. I read Nuromancer in the late '80s back when my Apple //c was state of the art. It blew me away. Up until that point there had been nothing like it. I thought it interesting about Gibson's comment about the lack of cell phones. I'm not sure if after rereading it I would have noticed their absence in the book, but that may be because when I first read it, cell phones weren't very common. I guess it's a matter of perspective. On a side note, I have always wanted to name a server Wintermute, but have always figured I would feel like a tool if I actually did.

      If anyone is looking for additional early cyberpunk, I recommend Daniel Keys Moran. His books seem to be back in print.

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    15. Re:Blasphemy by aurum42 · · Score: 1

      I liked Neuromancer, mostly for its rather surreal and atmospheric writing. For a deeper insight into the genesis of the "cyberpunk" genre, I suggest all of you go read "True Names", a brilliant novella by Vernor Vinge written ~4 years (1980?) before Neuromancer. Even today, it's an astonishing leap of the imagination, but you can expect no less from the author of Fire Upon the Deep and A Deepness in the Sky (but I still think "True Names" was his best). Oh, you should also read Jack Vance :-)

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    16. Re:Blasphemy by UWC · · Score: 1

      I just got into cyberpunk about two months ago. Since then, I've read five Gibson books and Snow Crash (after three of those five). It was obvious that Stephenson was influenced to some degree by Gibson, but he took the story and style in an entirely different direction. It wasn't completely serious (how could a book whose main character is named Hiro Protagonist strive for complete seriousness, anyway?). I enjoyed the book overall, but the over-the-top extension of corporate trends was really distracting throughout most of the read.

      I'm at the end of Gibson's Virtual Light right now, and I was struck in the beginning by apparent similarities to Snow Crash, especially to have been published so soon after. I noted mainly the courier subculture, and the Bridge and the odd religious movements really reminded me of the Raft of Snow Crash. It's turned out to be a great book, though, with plenty to distinguish it from Snow Crash. I may have to re-read Idoru now (or at least skim through it) before I go on to All Tomorrow's Parties.

      Also, I'm really not sure how, but I didn't wonder once why they didn't have cell phones when I was reading Neuromancer back in November. Dunno why it didn't occur to me. Guess that's something to be said for the extent of the immersion in the setting.

    17. Re:Blasphemy by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      Weird! I guess it must be a time thing. I read Neuromancer when it first came out (BBS days!) and was floored. The only thing that had prepared me for it was The Adolesence of P1 and Brunner's Shockwave Rider. The breadth and detail of Gibson's world was amazing, as well as the brevity of his writing. I love how he's able to paint Case in Japan, almost like a painting by Manet, with soundtrack by Berlin. Neuromancer is rather baroque and the style of it reminds me of Jules Verne.

      Neuromancer's still on my yearly reading list, along with Mona Lisa Overdrive and Burning Chrome.

      I really don't care for his later stuff. While interesting, they seem a little derivitive and more of a retelling. I haven't read Pattern Recognition yet and hope it'll be different.

      I guess it all depends on what era you grew up with. If you've been saturated with the internet and email from day one, yeah, it'll be quaint. If you still remember how cool that first red LED watch or calculator was (I still have mine!), and have computers with no hard drives, then Neuromancer was likely earth shattering.

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    18. Re:Blasphemy by bigberk · · Score: 4, Interesting
      If you want some real futurism and mind-numbing conceptual sci-fi novels, try reading Philip K Dick.
      I'm actually a fan of both Gibson and Philip K. Dick... check out The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldrich, this is a wild book and you don't hear too much about it.
    19. Re:Blasphemy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. The book is not very well written. [The prose is dry and klunkly, the dialouge has very little depth, the plot falls apart and the characters are at best 2 dimensional] It has some interesting ideas which in a certain sense were prescient, but were all kind of out there at the time. Gibson was the one that broke through. He get's some credit for that.

      The book itself is really just hack sci-fi pulp (nothing wrong with that!) that had some new "tech" that people weren't writing about. Many of the altered reality concepts are done far better in other places (like PKD or Lem).

    20. Re:Blasphemy by ultrasound · · Score: 2, Insightful
      If I remember correctly, the linking character is the enigmatic Molly.

      I just finished Mona Lisa Overdrive, Molly is in Mona Lisa (with the pseudonym Polly), and the Count is in both Mona Lisa and Count Zero, but I dont remember Molly being in Count Zero.

      As a side note, I think it is a great trilogy. Gibson really makes you work hard, he tosses in throwaway lines about the state of the world, different technologies, jargon for new technologies (microsofts, stims) etc. which other authors would take pages to explain. It makes it much more difficult to read as the reader is left to infer the meaning, and it gives the reader a feeling of culture shock because you dont fully understand immediately everything that you see. But I think this adds to the gritty reality of the books, and Gibsons cyber universe.

    21. Re:Blasphemy by Nick+Harkin · · Score: 1

      Molly also appears in Johnny Mnemonic (the short story) I believe, it's been a while since I read Burning Chrome, but I think she takes Johnny to the dolphin.

      Correct me if I'm wrong.

    22. Re:Blasphemy by Endive4Ever · · Score: 1

      Ummm, nobody's Apple //c was 'state of the art' back in the late '80s. 8 bittedness was tired by 1985.

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    23. Re:Blasphemy by Endive4Ever · · Score: 1

      I thought Shockwave Rider by John Brunner was a better work. And it's the true 'pioneer' of cyberpunk novels. Gibson is just an also-ran.

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    24. Re:Blasphemy by JerryP · · Score: 1

      Actually, there is one aspect in Snowcrash that made the Cyberspace-aspect (called Metaverse in the book, IIRC) much more unrealistic than in Neuromancer and the like. Stephenson described the user interface as Goggles and Keyboard IIRC. I just can't see how you could simulate something like a swordfight or a motorcycle chase with that. Especially if the protagonist's real-world physical skill in these activities should play any role. The idea of a neural interface was already there, I never understood why Stephenson did not use it.

      That being said, I liked the other aspects of the book. To me, it was like a Manga in written form (and I happen to like Manga).

    25. Re:Blasphemy by Zangief · · Score: 1

      I guess that Snowcrash is popular because, to computer geeks, looks a lot more probable than neuromancer.

      The problem is that Gibson doesn't know what he is talking about. Neuromancer could perfectly be classified as fantasy. The world of snowcrash looks at least factible.

      Neuromancer still is a good read, and Gibson can write a correct ending. Stephenson just stops typing when he is tired, sends the papers to his editor, and calls it a book.

    26. Re:Blasphemy by TXG1112 · · Score: 1

      You're probably right. I have fond memories of it in the '86 - '88 time frame. Everyone I knew at the time had a //c or a IIe, and that's all we used. I knew one guy that had an 8088 clone, but none of us were impressed by its crappy CGA color. I guess that this too is a matter of perspective.

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    27. Re:Blasphemy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you need to re-read it. It seems to work up to a crescendo to me .... introducing the characters, assembling the team, finally getting up to Straylight and freeing/uniting Wintermute & Neuromancer.

      It's written in a very cryptic style which makes much of the sub-text difficult to penetrate on a first reading.

    28. Re:Blasphemy by Endive4Ever · · Score: 1

      I knew a few people with Amigas, and they copped an attitude. But I had an 8088 cobbled together out of swapmeet parts, and it for a long time only had an MDA card (80x25 text only). I was impressed when I finally got one of those tricky Paradise cards that let me run CGA graphics on my 'green screen' Monochrome monitor. I was too cheap back in that era to buy an EGA monitor, and the text quality of CGA graphics cards on the PC was/is below tolerable. I turned 'elite' for a time and ran EGA monochrome. With the real IBM EGA card, unexpanded with it's base 64K of RAM, there was a jumper setting to use it in 'monochrome' mode with a regular mono monitor that gave nice snappy high-res. graphics for Windows and a very few select programs (this was running Windows 2.1 and later 3.0). It made it impossible to run almost any 'games' at all.

      I only got a VGA monitor when the cheap grayscale monitors came on the market, and only bought a fixed frequency color monitor when I had to for Sim Earth.

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    29. Re:Blasphemy by PCM2 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Just out of curiosity... am I the only one for whom Neuromancer fell flat? The first 50 or 100 pages were impressive, and... then... it... went... nowhere...
      Back in the day, somebody came to me and said, "You gotta read this amazing new cyberpunk stuff, it's this new word, it means all these cool new authors, like try this William Gibson guy."

      I said, "Cyberpunk? What is that, you mean sorta like Blade Runner?"

      And you know what, turns out I was pretty much right. The ideas and stories of the big "cyberpunk explosion" (and those of you who used to haunt SF bookstores back then know what a media hype machine it was, for a while) just didn't strike me as being anything particularly revelatory.

      OTOH, I found Count Zero to be a helluva enjoyable book, and it's still my favorite of Gibson's.

      Pattern Recognition didn't impress me too much. I found Gibson's non-technical viewpoint was too pervasive in it. His characters, working in the graphic design industry, really probably would have heard of digital watermarking before.

      What would have surprised them (and what confused me) was the idea that digital watermarks could somehow be used to trace data as it moves through the Internet. How does that work, exactly? Last I heard, the purpose of digital watermarks is to identify a given image, to prove its origins. If the creator of the images doesn't want to be identified, then why watermark them?

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    30. Re:Blasphemy by sjames · · Score: 1

      I found The Difference Engine to be the slowest going of the three, but having read it, I'm glad that I did. Although some of Gibson's books CAN be approached as light reading, they really aren't.

  11. What gibson really is interested by peripatetic_bum · · Score: 5, Interesting

    And what I wish Pattern Recognition was going to be about was the take over of the corporation. I think Gibson's real contribution in his neuromancer trilogy was the complete and utterly believeable and scary description of the "Corporation as the World".

    When I re-read his stuff I am most impressed and awed by how clearly he was able to create a world in which the corporations ran everything and were god-like beings. I know this isnt new now but back in the 80's when Governments were the big powerhouses, saying that someone like Nike was more powerful than the US (say someone like Halliburton) was a bit of shock since we were seeing the US and Russia go at it from Gov't run models of economies.

    Anyway, just pick up his early books and you can taste the corporations presence everywhere and how so soaked into the culture that no one is his books ever saw it.

    Anyway, getting back to his more recent books, I miss the fact that he no longer seems to be fascinated by the corporations (his fascination with AI's was most explicit [ie the AI, as a real being, representing/being the corporation])
    and he now is more of a Tipping Point type writer (much like Crichton, ie spot a trend and write about it )

    Anyway, just my thought, would like to hear your replies

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    1. Re:What gibson really is interested by Sh0t · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's reality.

      Start at the Federal Reserve. Examine why fractional reserve banking is a scam and follow from there.

      You'd be surprised what reality really is.

      "The Creature from Jekyll Island" by G. Edward Griffin. Enjoy.

    2. Re:What gibson really is interested by GigsVT · · Score: 2, Funny

      My bank has never said to me that I can come in and demand gold (or anything else) for my cash. If your bank has, I suggest you find a less scammy one.

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    3. Re:What gibson really is interested by Sh0t · · Score: 2, Informative

      Any bank that practices fractional banking is scamming you.

      But you'd have to actually learn something to understand it. I suggest you do that. Do you think inflation is some mysterious force? Inflation is a tax like any other. The lost buying power of your dollar year after year is not magic.

    4. Re:What gibson really is interested by metlin · · Score: 1

      I bet to disagree.

      Crichton writes books that're *just* right for a Hollywood movie. Gibson is not like that -- in fact, he almost sounded against making movies out of his books. He said it would be right if they don't screw it up (which is quite unlikely), but I don't care as there isn't much that I'm gonna get in terms of financial benefits.

      Gibson likes to think of how the future would be - he thinks and extrapolates, rather than weave out Hollywood style crap like most writers out there. His books are generally very well researched and far fetched.

      He made a remark on how in Pattern Recognition, how one of the lead characters does not like corporate logos and trademarks, she is quite comfortable with having Star Bucks all over the place. Think of where he is going with this kind of writing -- go figure :)

      I also feel that Gibson now understands that writing about corporations no longer matters as they are THERE -- there is nothing new. Its more fun if you wrote about the future, not the present. And thats precisely what he is doing, I think!

      IMHO :)

    5. Re:What gibson really is interested by dcobbler · · Score: 1

      It so happens, I just read Pattern Recognition. Finished it last night!

      What *I* think he shows (whether intentionally or not) is the speed with which tech-induced cultural changes are separating digital-savvy from non-savvy. A forum-based community chasing snippets of anonymous video on the web might as well be "science fiction" to those who can't get their heads around it. Gibson's figured this out, to great effect.

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    6. Re:What gibson really is interested by GigsVT · · Score: 1

      If inflation is a tax, then someone as apparently liberal as yourself should like it a lot!

      It's a tax on those who have money saved and invested, and a refund to those who are in debt. Robbing from the rich and giving to the poor! It's like an invisible social program!

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    7. Re:What gibson really is interested by Fess_Longhair · · Score: 1

      Kurt Vonnegut's book Jailbird (1979) takes on this very topic. It's not one of his better known books, but I really enjoyed it.

    8. Re:What gibson really is interested by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Johnny Mnemonic would have been a lot better if they had punted Keanu out of the auditions and got someone who could actually act.

    9. Re:What gibson really is interested by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "When I re-read his stuff I am most impressed and awed by how clearly he was able to create a world in which the corporations ran everything and were god-like beings. I know this isnt new now but back in the 80's when Governments were the big powerhouses, saying that someone like Nike was more powerful than the US (say someone like Halliburton) was a bit of shock since we were seeing the US and Russia go at it from Gov't run models of economies."

      The book that made that click for me was Heinlein's Friday. It is the earliest science fiction novel I can think of that depicted a world run by and structured around multinational corporations with nation-states reduced to anacronistic leftovers. Although there was a trend even in Heinlein's earlier writings to let the business world take over things often percieved as the "government's job", e.g. space travel as far back as The Man Who Sold The Moon. But then Heinlein sometimes seems to possess an almost fanatical belief in free market capitalism. I can't seem to remember, thinking back, whether he depicted that corporate world as dystopian or if that wsa my personal reaction.
      Wow I got off-topic. 'cest la vie.

    10. Re:What gibson really is interested by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are upset that he is growing and developing as a writer, rather than endlessly rehashing the old ideas?

      It's like when punk first started... the whole point was to express your individuality. Later, people tried to express their supposed 'individuality' by dressing like a punk, when the point wasn't to dress like a punk, it was to find your own niche. By the time punk had become a fad, you wouldn't even recognize the original punks on the street... because they were off expressing their individuality in new ways, ways that (almost by definition, yes?) didn't conform to the newly established modes of expression.

      Gibson's prescience has always been refreshing, and I find that his recent stuff just expresses it in a subtler way, makes me work for it. In a world saturated by corrupted versions of the Matrix/cyberspace meme (and certainly saturated by the corporation meme), I'd expect nothing less from him.

    11. Re:What gibson really is interested by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow. I read several of your other posts and you mostly seem rational. But you're a real nutter. I bet you liked Dow 36,00 too.

    12. Re:What gibson really is interested by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > What *I* think he shows (whether intentionally or not) is the speed with which
      > tech-induced cultural changes are separating digital-savvy from non-savvy.

      That's hardly profound. I'll never understand why he's so popular. He's sort of like Nirvana - and glitzy accessible version of someone elses work.

  12. Re:Where's the VOICE RECOG.?! by cmowire · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Many many reasons.

    I think the main one is that talking and writing come out of two different brain pathways. Somebody who is an excellent writer on the written/typed page may not be able to talk very elequently when asked.

    I tried to write fiction using voice rec but I didn't like having my incomplete and random bits of story broadcast to the rest of the world until I was ready for it. I didn't dictate a single word, in fact, because my then-roomate was in the room and I realized how dumb it was.

    Also, you can't use voice recognition in a cafe.

  13. Need a slashdot interview with this guy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    So we can ask him why all his books since Mona Lisa Overdrive have sucked so badly.

  14. Good thing he didn't see a G4 Notebook.... by Supp0rtLinux · · Score: 2, Funny

    "I remember [in the early '80s] seeing posters for the small, semi-portable version of the Apple IIc". Just think... if he'd seen an ad for the G4 Notebook with a Linux logo instead, then second two Matrixes (no he didn't write them, but they take from his ideas) might not have sucked so bad. Or maybe Keanu's brain could've been unloaded to an iPod and all the data shared on the internet. :)

    1. Re:Good thing he didn't see a G4 Notebook.... by JohnDoe.Slashed · · Score: 0

      but still why not iNeo then ???

    2. Re:Good thing he didn't see a G4 Notebook.... by Bullet-Dodger · · Score: 1

      If you're going to talk about sucky William Gibson/Keanu Reeves movies, what about Johnny-Freaking-Mnemonic???

  15. Not really... by asklepius · · Score: 4, Interesting

    For one thing, language style used in speaking and writing are remarkably dissimilar. Second, depending on how you dictate, there can be quite a bit of extraneous sounds like ah, umm, like, etc. that can gum up the works. It may be more difficult to go back and edit what the SR software interpreted than typing from scratch.

    The real tough thing to get used to is that when you write, you get realtime feedback for the text. When you use SR, it lags behind your voice, and even further behind your thought processes...it tends to trip you up.

    I occasionaly use SR to dictate a draft of different documents, but I do so only if I can do it fairly seemlessly (no ummms) and I NEVER look at the screen. I bet Mr. Gibson's writing style just doesn't accomodate the workflow needed to effectively utilize SR. Just my $.02.

  16. Virtually... by EverDense · · Score: 1, Interesting

    It's not the type of glitch you expect from the Orwell of the Internet, the Vasco da Gama of cyberspace, the man who virtually predicted virtual reality.

    Nice pun... but not true. He may have HELPED the term gain some popularity,
    but History says he was far behind a lot of others.

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    1. Re:Virtually... by d34thm0nk3y · · Score: 2, Insightful

      read your own link:1984 William Gibson wrote about "cyberspace" in Neuromancer

      William Gibson coined the very term "cyberspace"

    2. Re:Virtually... by EverDense · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      I have...

      "virtually predicted virtual reality".

      What of it?

      It was not flamebait, I was pointing out the author article is a plonker.

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    3. Re:Virtually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To the FUCKWIT MOD that modded the parent post as "Flamebait".
      The post of perfectly valid.
      Where does it say "cyberspace" in the article quote?

      You truly are a cocksmoker.

    4. Re:Virtually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is of course very, very wrong and shows you have not grasped what WmG really was about.

      The page you refer to shows a bit on hardware and some software; that is like showing a pile of rocks and claimingit is a classical Greek temple. WmG, on the other hand, envisaged what you could actually do using virtual reality, so he is the one that made the blueprint of the temple, made it classic.

      And we are still waiting for someone to turn the blueprint into a fully functional solid product.

      And this really is important; if you do not see the distinction here you will not enjoy his books very much, nor understand his contributions.

    5. Re:Virtually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You FUCKWIT, what the fuck would you know.

  17. Re:Where's the VOICE RECOG.?! by AndroidCat · · Score: 1
    Because it doesn't work well enough yet? For a limited vocabulary and grammar, fine. Not so good for general dictation.

    Also, when writers switched from typewriters to computers, a number said that their process of writing changed. (Some fell in love with cut'n'paste, bleh!)

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  18. Tech Nation Interview by zedge · · Score: 5, Informative

    There's also a pretty good interview with
    Gibson on Tech Nation here
    http://www.technation.com:8080/ramgen/021004 _2.rm

  19. Gibson is a Luddite, thought everyone knew this by spun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    He just doesn't like technology. Like you can't figure that out from reading his books. Sheesh. His stories often portray the darker, grimmer aspects of technology. His writing is great, but he is more poet than scientist. He also didn't invent cyberpunk. Try 'Ooblik' by Phillip K. Dick for a VERY early cyberspace concept. Or read 'True Names' by Vernor Vinge. Much better story by someone who actually likes and understands technology, written way before Gibson.

    Don't get me wrong, I love Gibson, but he is more of an anti-science fiction writer.

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    1. Re:Gibson is a Luddite, thought everyone knew this by -tji · · Score: 4, Interesting


      In a previous interview with Gibson, he said he had no clue about computers when he wrote Neuromancer. He described his disappointment upon finally using a computer. He was expecting some magical star trek experience, instead he got slow, spinning floppy disks and cumbersome interfaces.

    2. Re:Gibson is a Luddite, thought everyone knew this by peripatetic_bum · · Score: 3, Interesting
      He just doesn't like technology. Like you can't figure that out from reading his books. Sheesh.
      All Tomorrow's Partys(A lou reed, velvet underground song)
      he is quite clear in how something quite extraordinary and beautiful happened with the virtual 'star' that suddely appears in 100 different places each setting out on a new life. He's quite clear this could not happened without tech and perhaps it is Tech's reason for existance.
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    3. Re:Gibson is a Luddite, thought everyone knew this by rufusdufus · · Score: 1

      Try "Stand on Zanzibar" by John Brunner, written in 1968. Substantially similar story to Neuromancer, clearly..an influence.

    4. Re:Gibson is a Luddite, thought everyone knew this by d34thm0nk3y · · Score: 2, Insightful

      He also didn't invent cyberpunk. Try 'Ooblik' by Phillip K. Dick for a VERY early cyberspace concept.

      I love it when people try to argue how un-influencial William Gibson was while using the term cyberspace that he invented.

    5. Re:Gibson is a Luddite, thought everyone knew this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better still, try reading the original author on the subject.

      "The Lion of Comarre" bu Arthur C Clarke. dated 1949

      Yes. 1949

      He thought of the idea long before most of the latest group of authours were even born.
      RJG.

    6. Re:Gibson is a Luddite, thought everyone knew this by spun · · Score: 1

      I never said he wasn't influential. Of course he is! I'm just saying that he himself was influenced by a science fiction tradition that began long before he ever picked up a pen. Credit where it's due, Gibson is a great writer, and very influential.

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    7. Re:Gibson is a Luddite, thought everyone knew this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The earliest cyberspace reference I've seen was Arthur C Clarke's "Lion of Comarre", Thrilling Wonder Stories, Aug 1949. Parts of it are very Matrix-like.

    8. Re:Gibson is a Luddite, thought everyone knew this by canadian_right · · Score: 1

      Or John Brunner's "Jagged Orbit" - another early example of a book that could be described as "Cyberpunk".

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      Anarchists never rule
    9. Re:Gibson is a Luddite, thought everyone knew this by tunabomber · · Score: 1

      He just doesn't like technology.

      Since when is it required of a science-fiction writer to like technology? I thought sci-fi was more about predicting the effects that new science & tech will have on humanity in the future, good and/or bad.

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      pi = 3.141592653589793helpimtrappedinauniversefactory71 ...
    10. Re:Gibson is a Luddite, thought everyone knew this by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      I think Brunner's Shockwave Rider is more influential on Neuromancer, myself.

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      I drank what? -- Socrates
    11. Re:Gibson is a Luddite, thought everyone knew this by edunbar93 · · Score: 1

      It's worth noting that in Neuromancer, he may not have had a very good grip on technology, but he had a very, very deep understanding of the kind of obsessive behaviour that drives hackers, programmers, and gamers. This turned out to be infinitely more important than the technology involved, or silly little details like how much RAM was in your calculator. He saw computers and programming to be akin to a drug addiction, and Case's addiction to speed and "anything up" was very much in line with the kind of chemical addictions that programmers are drawn to in real life.

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      "No problem. I have the capacity to do infinite work so long as you don't mind that my quality approaches zero."-Dilbert
    12. Re:Gibson is a Luddite, thought everyone knew this by Endive4Ever · · Score: 1

      Librarians and file clerks often come up with the label for things they didn't create.

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    13. Re:Gibson is a Luddite, thought everyone knew this by wizard992 · · Score: 1

      I never really got this feeling with his books. I always felt that he wrote a world in which technology was so pervasive that it wasn't a big thing any more, kind of like us never noticing our shoes or the chairs we sit in. People in his universe are so used to tech being in every fact of their lives they don't ever have the "Wow" factor that we get from a new widget.

      Gibson's books, IMO, have always been people dramas, dark worlds in which people do what they have to to survive, and tech is just a tool they use.

    14. Re:Gibson is a Luddite, thought everyone knew this by holstein · · Score: 1
      he himself was influenced by a science fiction tradition that began long before

      So was Shakespeare. You know, the "standing on the shoulders of giants" thing is real : even for geniuses (sp?), every work is always very profondly done on the work already done around it...

      (and this is why We-Don't-Want-To-Let-Mickey-Mouse-Go Disney type of copyright holding is sad and dangerous).

  20. Cyberspace by DeadVulcan · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Gibson anticipated many concepts, such as cyberspace, that are now commonplace

    That's saying a bit too much... The term "cyberspace" was coined because of Gibson's popular book, and at the time, anyone who knew anything about the internet laughed at the media people who bandied the word around as though Gibson's vision had anything in common with SMTP, NNTP, or HTTP.

    Then we all watched, horrified, as the word set up shop, settled down, and refused to go away... Leading to all manner of cyber-this and cyber-that.

    Sigh.

    --
    Accountability on the heads of the powerful.
    Power in the hands of the accountable.
    1. Re:Cyberspace by Dirtside · · Score: 2, Informative
      That's saying a bit too much... The term "cyberspace" was coined because of Gibson's popular book,
      More accurately, Gibson himself coined the word "cyberspace" in Neuromancer. (I think. I know he coined the word, but I'm not positive that Neuromancer marked its first appearance.)
      --
      "Destroy science and religion. Science would re-emerge exactly the same; but not religion." - Penn Jillette, paraphrased
    2. Re:Cyberspace by wheresdrew · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes, he coined the term. He even had a cameo in David Lynch's "Wild Palms" as himself. Somebody introduces him to one of the characters and says, "this is William Gibson. He invented the term 'cyberspace.'" Gibson responds, "yes, and they'll never let me forget it."

  21. Try it some time. by ackthpt · · Score: 2, Informative
    Am I the only one surprised that professional writers don't utilize voice recognition software?

    You might try it sometime. I find the best way to write is to just go at it, damn the spelling errors, not having the perfect word (leave some ** or something to remind myself to come back to it later), screw punctuation, etc. Just go!

    Now it may not be a bad idea to just speak it into a recorder or digitize it and then try running it through speach rec. later.

    Best advice I can give, just go, don't rely on anything that can hang you up. Nothing kills momentum like having to deal with something like "no goat, not boat, goat, geeez, GOAT you daft machine! ..."

    Just get it out of yourself, first then worry about how to assemble it after then momentum has run its course.

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    A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
    1. Re:Try it some time. by PalmerEldritch42 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yeah- it's rough when you say "open boat.sea" and you get goatse.cx

      --
      Ceci n'est pas une sig.

      :wq!

  22. Writing and technology by Metropolitan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Writing isn't often done best while immersed in that which is being written about. Contemplation, the space to imagine and build worlds in one's mind, is the key.

    Sometimes playing with toys can get in the way of that.

    It's easy to get drawn into the whole cycle of newer-better-faster-cooler, with musical instruments, computers, whatever. Can be very distracting to actually creating with those things!

  23. So true by Rkane · · Score: 4, Insightful

    At the present time, there is still a large part of society that knows nothing about computers. They may be able to turn them on, click the icon that says "double click here for aol x.x" or even check email. However, most of them don't know the inner workings of the technology, nor do most care.

    That is why I think people can relate to William Gibson's writing - not just geeks. People can actually read it from someone who sees things in a way that they can see them as well.

    1. Re:So true by daeley · · Score: 1

      click the icon that says "double click here for aol x.x"

      See, there's the exact problem right there. If they would just do what they're told! ;)

      --
      I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate.
    2. Re:So true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      there is still a large part of society that knows nothing about computers

      The reverse is also true unfortunately. There's a small part of society that knows about almost nothing but computers. They can do things like type in raw HTML almost as naturally as speaking it, remotely debug dad's computer over the phone, play a game and look down on it because they've personally made better graphical effects than that, figure out a better algorithm for traffic light patterns while stuck in a traffic jam, think up code snippets while in the shower, wish Python ran on absolutely everything, secretly want to remake the movie Aliens - and enjoy settling in for an evening of reading Slashdot, coding and watching old MST3K tapes.

      Oh dear god, why am I not in the portion of society that actually has a life.

      (Sobs gently).

  24. Software by Lou Reed and David Bowie? by spun · · Score: 5, Funny

    You mean it should be depressing even though you have a million flashy skins to choose from?

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    - None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. -- John Milton
    1. Re:Software by Lou Reed and David Bowie? by pnatural · · Score: 2, Funny

      Wow -- you've just described windows + winamp perfectly!

    2. Re:Software by Lou Reed and David Bowie? by herraukuli2061 · · Score: 1

      I quess that any Perl script seems like it is written by Ziggy Stardust?

    3. Re:Software by Lou Reed and David Bowie? by Endive4Ever · · Score: 1

      Naw. He just described Sourceforge.

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    4. Re:Software by Lou Reed and David Bowie? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's already been done. It's called Winamp.

    5. Re:Software by Lou Reed and David Bowie? by beernuts · · Score: 1

      Like this?

      http://www.winamp.com/

  25. Gibson on Unscrewed Wednesday night by bearl · · Score: 3, Informative

    He was also interviewed on Unscrewed last night. Unscrewed Wednesday Episode Not much at that link, but check the schedule to see when it'll be replayed.

  26. Re:David Bowie by JohnDoe.Slashed · · Score: 0
    " I realized no one had tried to write a science-fiction novel as if Lou Reed and David Bowie were writing it." I suppose you could say that about a lot of things- we need more software that was written as if Lou Reed and David Bowie had written it
    Translate this to C please: "Er, and as always, er, it's fairly traditional that I never remember the lyrics to any songs that I've written. Except "Girl you really got...". Ooo that Ray Davies. What's that called? 'Lucky Lenny'."
  27. The Man in the High Castle by joepa · · Score: 5, Informative

    The dire thing that multinational globalization seems to be doing is reducing the amount of genuine stuff in the world and replacing it with imitation genuine stuff.

    To speak of visionaries, this is actually an important theme in PKD's The Man in the High Castle. Of course, even PKD had a tendency to (unknowingly?) refashion ideas that were first put into writing by Plato and Aristotle. I guess it is true, in some sense, that there is nothing new under the sun.

    1. RE: The Man in the High Castle by dizfactor · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think that we really need to get past the whole distinction between "authentic" and "fake," especially in terms of moral or aesthetic judgements.

      It's just silly. "Authenticity" is itself a socially-contructed phenomenon. We determine authenticity by referencing authorities to which we assign the ability to place their stamp of approval on something. That stamp of approval is based on comparing the item in question to an abstract, socially-constructed ideal of what the "real" thing is supposed to be. Bauddrillard's work on the precession of simulacra is useful here.

      I read a great interview with Negativland a while ago where they were discussing marketing and youth culture, and the increasing prevalence of things like prominent logos on clothing and mass-media pop culture references in casual conversation and so forth. They talked about how they had always tended to look at that sort fo thing as this horrible co-opting of youth culture and the evils of the corporate marketing machine, but they were starting to wonder if they were just making inappropriate value judgements and that this may not necessarily be bad, but instead it may just be different, a new sort of symbiosis of marketing and "authentic" pop culture that really makes the whole issue of authenticity or co-optation irrelevant. I think they were on the right track with that supposition.

  28. Declining Quality by Sh0t · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Maybe I'm an insensitive clod but "Pattern Recognition" and "All of Tomorrowies Parties" didn't do much for me. I'm still in love with his ground breaking early work but I don't think he's kept up as a truly continuous quality-giving writer.

    1. Re:Declining Quality by Black+Jack+Hyde · · Score: 1
      I hate to "me too" a post, but I think you're dead on. His older work seemed almost prescient; the later works, especially PR, are rooted in the here and now.

      I can't be the only person who got sick of Pilates references halfway through PR. Then again, I'm probably the only person who really enjoyed Idoru as well.

    2. Re:Declining Quality by lavaface · · Score: 1

      I must say that Phillip K. Dick has really surprised me. The quality of his numerous works is astounding. I havn't made it through a Gibson book yet, but PKD continues to amaze . . .

    3. Re:Declining Quality by Angostura · · Score: 1

      If you're a 'me too' poster then what does that make me? I thought PR was really quite tepid. In many places it struck me as just trying too hard - highlighting the oddities of Japan to western cultural eyes, seemed like an easy trick. In some places I had the feeling that he had read some guide books, or had ridden around a particular city in a taxi and was transcribing his 'Oooo this is odd' feelings verbatim.

      Yes, the ride from the airport in a strange city can be exciting and surreal, but a novel it does not make.

  29. Whoa: That's UI development by DeadVulcan · · Score: 3, Funny

    The creative process for him has two stages. The writing is preceded by a long period of "sitting grumpily, staring out the window." [snip] "The typing on the keyboard takes about a year. The staring out the window can be any length of time and is usually harder.

    That sounds amazingly like my process as user interface designer and developer. Except that, in the first stage, I'm grumpy just because I have to mediate so many heated design meetings.

    --
    Accountability on the heads of the powerful.
    Power in the hands of the accountable.
    1. Re:Whoa: That's UI development by faust2097 · · Score: 1

      I would have to agree. I often can't come up with a solution to a problem when I'm sitting at my desk and I have to go to the employee lounge or somewhere like that when I have to actually invent something.

      There's some facet of sitting at a computer that makes it hard to come up with interfaces. The more time I spend in this field the more I use pencil and paper.

  30. Yes, dissimilar but whats interesting.. by rufusdufus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Speech recognition engines are actually primed with textual language models. This is simply because large databases such as newspapers are available. So while they don't do so well for natural english, they do better for written style such as..well newspaper print. So a writer, especially a jounalist, may find that speech recognition works better for them than the 'masses'.

    1. Re:Yes, dissimilar but whats interesting.. by cmowire · · Score: 2, Informative

      Right. However, there's different mental pathways for talking and writing. So the problem is not necessarily within your computer, it's in your head.

    2. Re:Yes, dissimilar but whats interesting.. by asklepius · · Score: 1

      Good point...but there is also a difference between newspaper and novel writing styles. I agree that it may work well for newspaper writers. I generally write scientific papers, and it doesn't behave as nicely for me. However, as I have seen how the SR behaves, I can actually use the SR more effectively, but I have to change my writing process a bit to get the results.

  31. Re:Sour Grapes by robo45h · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I beg to differ. Had /. posted this story when it was submitted, I would have gone to see Gibson at the Free Library of Philadelphia's Central Library. I live in the area, but hadn't read about it. I suppose I should read my Ink-wire a little more closely, but thought I relied on /. for things like this.

    This is a pretty common occurrance from what I can tell. The rejection / posted by someone else two days later thing has happened to me once or twice.

  32. Wasn't William Gibson... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    I heard he was on teh spoke. Can anyone confirm?

  33. Keanu Reeves uploaded all over the internet?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whoah.

    1. Re:Keanu Reeves uploaded all over the internet?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      there's an image I didn't want in my head tonight...

      The only thing necessary for Micro$oft to triumph is for a few good programmers to do nothing". North County Computers

  34. Gibson hints at another Apple influence... by CrackedButter · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Gibson owes his remarkable career to a bus-stop epiphany. "I remember [in the early '80s] seeing posters for the small, semi-portable version of the Apple IIc," he says. "Quite a lot of what I subsequently imagined in my early science fiction simply came from seeing that ad in a bus stop. Apple at the forefront again, another item you can add to the list of Apple firsts!

    1. Re:Gibson hints at another Apple influence... by Endive4Ever · · Score: 1

      And as always, it's about what Apple's marketing people have accomplished. Not the fumblings of the lameos in development at Apple, who diddled around with 'the next generation OS' for a decade before they gave up and bought NeXT.

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  35. Re:Where's the VOICE RECOG.?! by nomadic · · Score: 5, Funny

    Also, you can't use voice recognition in a cafe.

    Sure you can:

    The moon rose over the dark warrens of the urban sprawl that emanated from the city's bright center what's the difference between a latte and a cappucino hey can you keep it down I'm trying to write a novel here a latte is basically a cappuccino with more milk oh then I'll have a latte hey I asked you to keep it down well excuse me this is a cafe you know hey phil how's it going could you please be quiet too I'm trying to write my novel geeze oh hey yeah I'm a writer, just working on my book are you here alone can I buy you a cup of coffee oh I see you don't go for the artistic types fine she'll be sorry when I'm a published writer damn stuck up girls

  36. Cayce and Case? by diesel66 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Is the the fact that the protagonists from Neuromancer and Pattern Recognition are phonetically identical just a coincidence?

    Don't miss the adventures of Kaice in his next novel! Or is it Quess?

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    eleven plus two / twelve plus one
    1. Re:Cayce and Case? by plams · · Score: 1
      Maybe he'll finally give up on his non-tech public image and call him
      case PROTAGONIST: break;
  37. Re:I CALL BULLSHIT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Hmmm...

    Well, I don't claim to be a pro, just somebody who has written fiction in the past. Most people do, even if it's just explaining to their mother why their checking account needs another infusion while in college.

    I'm mostly interested in pointing out that, despite god-knows-how-much money folks have poured into voice recognition software, that it doesn't work very well at all, nor does it properly work in every situation.

    (posted anonymously because I'm feedin' the trolls and goin' offtopic)

  38. non techs are better techs by plams · · Score: 3, Interesting

    IMHO, one of the great things about Gibson is that he really isn't into a lot of the technology he describes. I guess it allows him not to get too distracted by knowledge. I mean, for a hacker, it would probably be tough to write something interesting involving computers, without putting them in a boring context (too techy for ordinary people, and too ordinary for techy people). But if you have the ability to look upon technology as something unknown and new, you can let your imagination fill that black hole of ignorance and come up with something truly creative. So that's Gibson for me. A n00b script kiddie with a beautiful imagination:)

    1. Re:non techs are better techs by GoofyBoy · · Score: 1

      >I guess it allows him not to get too distracted by knowledge.

      I can't stand his work exactly because of that.

      It becomes painfully insulting and weak.

      Its like me writing up on how the human body functions. Or a microprocessor programmer designing a graphical UI.

      Give me a writer who allows me to have a chance to believe it could be based in reality. Such as Asimov.

      --
      The surprise isn't how often we make bad choices; the surprise is how seldom they defeat us.
  39. pattern rec *SPOILER* by crabpeople · · Score: 3, Insightful
    i dont know.. when i read that book, being a big gibson fan, i thought it was mostly a let down. they kept building the subplot of her father up so much that you knew he had to come back at the end. But it didnt come back to him. It just sort of became some story about some russian girls who werent even involved in sex. I thought at least the end should have some meaning. Unless he meant for it to have a sequel (possible i guess), the book itself made me feel like i just wasted my time.


    nothing was really acomplished and there weren't any real insights at all gained on anything. maybe because he was writing about the present day instead of the future, or maybe because he was traumatized by sept 11th, who knows. I didnt really see the point in basing so much of the book on sept 11th anyways. it seemed tacked on.

    The main character, was like a last refugee from the dot com bubble. i remember her just walking in, saying yes or no to things and then getting a huge check and going home to her studio apartment. it seems like he wrote half of it before sept 11th and then added a bunch more to it after.

    of course i have no idea imho and all that.

    --
    I'll just use my special getting high powers one more time...
    1. Re:pattern rec *SPOILER* by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 1

      All of his books are very centrally based on the time in which he wrote them. Neuromancer is a throwback to ~1982. It's not dated, because it's about 1982 .

      Pattern Recognition is the same way for me. It's about 2002. It is an interesting look at 2002. He didn't write it because it was the future. He had every element he needed to do his thing, right there in the present day.

      I don't know if that's because the present day really changed so much or because he changed as a watcher of it.

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      There are no trails. There are no trees out here.
  40. Gibson should stick to what he doesn't know. by rufusdufus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I don't think I am alone among Gibson's fans in being of the opinion that the more hip the author became with tech, the less hip his writing became.

    Although they are based on similar themes,
    "Neuromancer" was a psechedelic ride through things unimagined before, "Pattern Recognition" is a familiar drab story about internet fanboys.

    For Gibson, I say, write what you don't know, please!

    1. Re:Gibson should stick to what he doesn't know. by spyrral · · Score: 1

      I disagree. Both stories were about the future, despite Pattern Recognition being set in the present. While it had it's faults (uneven pacing being my biggest criticism) Pattern Reconition to me was William Gibson shedding his writing of all the trappings that had become the 'cyberpunk" genre. Neural interfaces, cybernetic implants, magical nanotechnology, all of it has become a sort of replacement for writing about the future. Instead "cyberpunk" authors have taken to writing about neet technology.

  41. Learning assembly resources by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The best one by far is is to own the processor programming guide and use "cc -S" on code you want to know how to write the assembly for, and look at what the compiler output.

    If you're too lazy for that, though, http://www.int80h.org/bsdasm/ is a good resource.

    -- Terry

  42. This is mean but... by badboy_tw2002 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Is it just me or does he look like Stephen Hawking without the chair?

  43. Re:Where's the VOICE RECOG.?! by painandgreed · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Am I the only one surprised that professional writers don't utilize voice recognition software?

    Some do, most don't.

    I handle the voice dictation for a large hospital using a voice recognition system called Talk. It seems really hit or miss. Some doctors love it and can dictate reports as fast as they can say them without missing a word. Others can't go an entire sentence without saying one word and having a different one show up. Those doctors refer to the program as Type and hate it with a passion.

    A good deal of this is because voice dictation actually takes more effort than typeing. The good ones learn from your speech and modify themselves to how you actually talk. trouble is, if you don't pay attention to what you're doing and train everything that goes wrong when it goes wrong the first time, it's going to blow up on you. There is a high training curve besides the initial hour and half training that can really slow you down at first. Typeing is pretty simple, little training, and it doesn't matter if you are a female with an indian accent and the speech engine is based on an American male voice.

    I've heard of authors using it, particularly those who have trouble typeing because of problems with their hands or are otherwise immobilized. I'm sure there are some people out ther that use it that don't have to. Besides the differences in speeking to writing, there is plenty of resistance to learning a new program that costs a decent amount of money. It's still a niche application that has its uses in certain instances, but not to replace typeing all together.

  44. Keanu's brain could've been unloaded to an iPod by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    Keanu's brain could've been unloaded to an iPod

    Talk about using a sledghammer to kill a fly. Keanu's brain could be uploaded to an old 5 1/4, single-sided, 160K floppy....

  45. I don't find the latest tech helpful either by MichaelCrawford · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Maybe it's just me, but I am quite convinced that possessing a faster development machine would not make me a more productive programmer. Not in the slightest.

    My 667 Mhz Pentium III is considerably faster than what I require for all the development work I've done since I bought it in 2000.

    There was a time when it mattered to programmers to have high-end equipment, because computers of that day were so constrained for resources. There was a time I was overjoyed to have bought a used 135 MB (you read that right) hard drive off the Usenet News, because it meant I could develop code on my Mac Plus without being limited to two floppy drives and no hard drive.

    Sure, a faster machine would mean faster compiles - but how much of your time is spent waiting for a compile, as opposed to the time you spend thinking about your code?

    The great nightmare that all the hardware vendors have is that the day will come when everybody realizes their machines are fast enough, so they don't need to upgrade anymore. The result of this is that both Apple and Microsoft are putting more and more CPU-intensive eyecandy into their products, to burn up those cycles.

    --
    Request your free CD of my piano music.
    1. Re:I don't find the latest tech helpful either by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try writing a web site that uses VS.Net that debugs through SQL server on your machine, and get back to me.
      Developers still need machines with grunt.
      I had a P4 2.4 and 512Meg of ram - Too slow.

    2. Re:I don't find the latest tech helpful either by Bush+Pig · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Why on earth would you write a web site using VS.Net and SQL server? Unless of course you had no choice in the matter.

      --
      What a long, strange trip it's been.
    3. Re:I don't find the latest tech helpful either by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      I haven't bought a new computer since 1995. Since then, I've been running about a generation behind, as far as chips go. With my new G5 at work, I guess it's time to move up from my 266MHz G3 laptop at home. It topped out with 10.2.8 anyways. And yes, my daughter (3 yr old) has a faster Mac than I (333Mhz iMac) and my wife a G4 Cube. Hmmm...G5 laptop...arrrgggglll/drool.

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      I drank what? -- Socrates
    4. Re:I don't find the latest tech helpful either by MrScience · · Score: 1

      What? I programmed on an abacus! They didn't even have room for spaces, so you couldn't move the beads! And we had no 1!

      Well, not really. But that should just about cover all the responses...

      There will always be an application that requires more resources, and right now gaming is one of them. Just wait for Duke Nukem Forever! I bet it'll require a 1.8THz processer...

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      You quitting proves that the karma kap worked. The most annoying of the whores shut up. --CmdrTaco

  46. Ah, but there is another . . . by The+Mad+Duke · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Fact Checkers at the Philly Inq missed something: there is another movie based on a Gibson short story - "The New Rose Hotel". Christopher Walken, Willem Dafoe, and the delectable (OMFG where does that tattoo end) Asia Argento. The film was a commercial failure - it's rather slow and amateurish, but it's much better than that awful Keanu/Ice-T mess. I have the DVD right here in my sweaty little hand. Excuse me, gotta go watch Asia in the swimming pool again. Oh, and many thanks to my old buddy Marrow who gave me his copy.

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    -The Mad Duke
    1. Re:Ah, but there is another . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      see here. browse around - there's a few nudies.

  47. Re:Where's the VOICE RECOG.?! by SealBeater · · Score: 1


    since I doubt he runs Linux or any OS that doesn't support speech-to-text software.)


    One should always be careful of making bold statements in public forums that
    are glaringly wrong.

    See for yourself.
    Festival

    ViaVoice

    SealBeater

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    -- Its survival of the fittest...and we got the fucking guns!!!
  48. Re:Sour Grapes by mekkab · · Score: 1

    Ink wire?! no no no. Read obscurestore.com. I read that article days ago. That Romenesco guy culls all the inkwires for our pleasure and benefit.

    The rejection/subsequent post thing is so common, I decided to make a joke on the Skywalker Ranch Vineyards (you may not have found me as witty as I found myself. But trust me. It was witty ;)

    --
    In the future, I would want to not be isolated from my friends in the Space Station.
  49. Neuromancer was terrible. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Neuromancer was a terrible, terrible book that was in exactly the right place at the right time. Everybody was jumping onto the informationcybersuperhighway and this book rode the popular wave to success.

    But it's very, very bad. I've tried and given up reading it in disgust several times.

    I eventually made it through by borrowing a friend's audiobook version and listening to it as I worked. I've listened to it twice now to pick up on the bits that I missed first time through. And I think you're right - the story starts off okay, somewhere in the middle you stop caring about the characters, then it sort of runs down a slope of self-depression and decay until it eventually comes to an end.

    And the biggest negative effect of listening to him read it is that if I ever hear William Gibson say "underneath a television sky" (again) in person, I'm going to punch him.

    While I won't deny that Gibson is important to the genre (barring the awful "hack the Gibson!" line from the movie Hackers), I think that Neal Stephenson (Snowcrash / Diamond Age) belongs on the cyberpunk throne - he has a better grasp of technology, building characters - and is also a much better author and storyteller.

    1. Re:Neuromancer was terrible. by UWC · · Score: 1

      You might keep in mind that Neuromancer was Gibson's first novel. Snow Crash was not Stephenson's first novel. That might help a little to explain the inadequacies you perceive. Dunno.

  50. Stephenson by BitwizeGHC · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Read some of Neal Stephenson's work. Start with In the Beginning was the Command Line (which is available free online) and go on to Snow Crash. I'm worming my way through Cryptonomicon right now.

    Stephenson describes technology -- real and fictional -- in a very detailed, precise, knowledgeable, and methodical manner. But he does it in a way that is in a literary sense engaging and fascinating. He can put into words the kind of beauty that hackers and engineers see in technological systems all the time, which is generally seen as dull and boring by the non-technical crowd, in such a way as to make it understandable to non-techs, and let them see the beauty too.

    Gibson? Feh. He's for candy ravers.

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    1. Re:Stephenson by johnwroach · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Stephenson describes technology -- real and fictional -- in a very detailed, precise, knowledgeable, and methodical manner.
      Too bad he can't write an ending the same way. That man needs an editor.

      Spoiler

      1000 pages of stuff (300 of them about eating cereal) and a two-sentence climax.

      IMO, of course, Stephenson's books are great while you're reading them, but when you're done, you gotta wonder why you struggled through it.

    2. Re:Stephenson by plams · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Funny you should mention it. I thought of Stephenson right after having posted it.

      Well, they're very different kinds of authors. I'll try some metaphores.. I'll probably get it wrong: You give a bunch of nuts and bolts to two people and ask them to make "whatever" out of it. The first one comes up with an invention.. a machine of some kind; he's the inventor. The other makes a metallic man-like statue; he's the artist. Both creations are work of creativity, and though the base is the same, the results are very different. The inventor may point out that nuts and bolts can be used as they were intented, but to create something new, while the artist may try to point out some relationship between humanity and technology, using the nuts and bolts as symbols rather than their intended use.

      Using these metaphores, I guess I'd say Stephenson is more of an inventor while Gibson is more of an artist. (And well, they both have a bit of both). Oh, and Stephenson is an excellent lecturer.

      Anyway, I've read Neuromancer, Pattern Recogtion, Snow Crash, The Diamond Age and Cryptonomicon - and I very much enjoyed all of them.

    3. Re:Stephenson by cthlptlk · · Score: 1

      I think Stephenson is bad at endings because he cops so much from Thomas Pynchon, who seemed to eschew endings on artistic grounds. Of course, maybe Pynchon isn't good at endings either.

      [spoilers]
      V: just kinda peters out.
      Crying of Lot 49: the book ends with blank pages where the last chapter is supposed to be.
      Gravity's Rainbow: 100 pages from the end the main character simply disappears, and there's a lot of druggy rambling about lightbulbs, refrigerators and Richard Nixon.
      Vineland: has a pretty conventional ending. Presumably, Pynchon was buying a boat or something
      Mason & Dixon: I did not finish this. In fact, I have never heard any reports of anyone finishing it.

    4. Re:Stephenson by BenBenBen · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Stephenson provides a clean, narratative [?] tale with very little room for personal interpretation, IMO. The beauty of Gibson's work is that every year more of it comes true, and the very fact that it is written without the benefit of understanding nmap or assembly registers gives it a realism a strained Stephenson book will never have.

      I read Cryptonomicon once, and won't read it again (unless I decide that maybe it can't be as bad as I remember). The ending was abrupt and comical, the story disjointed and the characters far too one-dimensional.

      I have never found anywhere offering a more realistic could-be vision of the future than a Gibson book. He even has SUVs and mouldy space stations, and current buzz-terms like SARS and nanobots could have fallen ready-built from his pages.

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    5. Re:Stephenson by Endive4Ever · · Score: 1

      I prefer The Big U. It's Neil Stephenson before he got all full of himself and started bloating out his prose with filler. And it's a riot of a read, and perfectly describes the 'Hacker' culture as one of 'never figured out the real world so remained a permanent denizen of a campus' mentality. As best depicted by RMS himself.

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  51. Re:Mr. Gibson's work is Anti-Semitic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    "Also, you must be a Jew too. Why do you people ..."

    You must be French.

  52. Re:Where's the VOICE RECOG.?! by bluethundr · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I remember reading an interview with WG yeeears back when he was talking about his relationship to technology (I'm sure this topic is covered many times in interviews with him). He said that when he was writing Nueromancer (I'm paraphrasing here, because I read this sometime in the early 90's) he didn't own a personal computer and didn't even have a practical understanding of what they were. All he had was this romantic notion of an "almost crystaline entitiy" where everything was nearly silent and whooshed and whirred pleasantly as you worked. Nueromancer was written on a typewriter!

    When he finally did get his first pc it was, needless to say, a letdown. Clanking, grinding, loud, slow, and chunking out computer errors this machine was an introduction to the real world of computing for this technological romanticist. But I personally am glad that he never really soured on romanticizing technology. Though he has been criticized for an overly uniform body of work stylistically, I personally like and am drawn into the worlds he creates.

    Along with video games, books by Gibson and other authors like Stephenson (yes even Quicksilver is building up into computer related themes...starting from the mid 1600s!) and movies like "Hackers" and "Wargames" keeps the notion of computing romantic and fanciful enough that (personally speaking) I retain a bit of that playfulness to what I'm doing even when I'm editing config files!

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  53. Like Gibson? Read Vernor Vinge by puzzled · · Score: 4, Interesting



    Gibson is great, so is Stephenson, but if you like either one of them you should branch out and read Vernor Vinge.

    Vinge wrote True Names way back when - *the* seminal work for hacker culture.

    That work alone would make the man's efforts worthwhile, but Across Realtime, A Fire On The Deep, and A Deepness In The Sky just completely blow that one out of the water.

    If Gibson is working with his personal binoculars focused on the future, Vinge is doing the same thing using his own personal mental Hubble Telescope.

    Stop clicking that mouse, get up, and get yourself to a bookstore RIGHT NOW!!!

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    1. Re:Like Gibson? Read Vernor Vinge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Stop clicking that mouse, get up, and get yourself to a bookstore RIGHT NOW!!!"

      Try a library. Hadn't visited my local library in years. Took my son there recently -- RIFD tags in every book and online (well webbased) renewal and request system.

      Pretty cool.

  54. I want to read Pattern Recognition. by torpor · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I wish I could download it.

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  55. Advice for compiling your own code faster by Via_Patrino · · Score: 2, Informative

    I've always found people complaining they need to compile their code all again (wait a lot) when they make a small change on the code.

    The advice here is to split your code in several files and use make. It'll just compile the (small) file you've changed, which takes much less time. Using gcc option -O0 also helps (when you don't care about the generated software performance).

    It looks a no brainer advice but people still complain about that ;-)

    1. Re:Advice for compiling your own code faster by irokitt · · Score: 1

      Exactly. They didn't actually teach us how to split files until a year and a half into the program. I had to teach myself during the second semester because my machine was slow (Cyrix P166 w/ 32MB of RAM, when we were already were well beyond the 1GHz barrier).

      In data structures, we were actually told to implement linked lists as 3 static arrays with 200 integers each! I used dynamic memory allocation in my lab so it wouldn't hog my resources, and the teacher docked me points.

      So maybe the problem lies beyond the students as well.

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  56. Re: Keanu's brain could've been unloaded to an iPo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Damn! You stole my response so I can only top you. keanu's brain could fit on an 8" floppy. So there.

  57. Not really offtopic at all. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ah, a real SF fan. Nice.

    Have you ever read A Logic Named Joe?

    The first story to have home PCs and the Internet. Oh yeah, and computer viruses.

    Written before there were computers.

  58. Re:Where's the VOICE RECOG.?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...such as the fact the festival is speech *synthesis* and not speech *recognition*..........

  59. UBIK, man, UBIK! by herraukuli2061 · · Score: 1
    "His writing is great, but he is more poet than scientist."

    Actually most science fiction writers are... Neal Stephenson seems to be the more cyberpunkish writer who seems to get his facts right...

    "Try 'Ooblik' by Phillip K. Dick for a VERY early cyberspace concept."

    Actually that book is called Ubik.

    Ubik is excellent but i think that Dick got it even better with Scanner Darkly or Radio Free Albemuth!

    I don't think it does justice to Dick to compare him with cyberpunk writers. After Neuromancer Cyberpunk is a childishly repetitive and cliche-filled genre when compared with the original visions of Philip K. Dick. I think that Neal Stephenson is the only cyberpunk writer with original ideas. Besides Gibson of course. Cryptonomicon is soooo "cyberpunk in the nineties and forties"...

    1. Re:UBIK, man, UBIK! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ubik has no cyberspace references, as far as I recall. The events of the book that are not set in the real world happen in a world inside the fused-together minds of the characters who in the real world are physically almost dead, frozen in a state of mental half-life. Excellent book by the way, I like this one almost as much as Scanner Darkly or The Eight Fingers of God.

  60. D'oh! by spun · · Score: 1

    Thanks, herraukuli2061. Ooblik was from a Dr. Seuss book wasn't it? Heheheh, whoops! Right on about Stephenson. And the decline of cyberpunk.

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    1. Re:D'oh! by CyberSp00k · · Score: 1

      So, does that mean that Dr. Seuss was writing cyberpunk before William Gibson, Neal Stephenson, John Brunner, PKD, et. al.? I knew something had warped by reading habits VERY early.

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  61. Re:Where's the VOICE RECOG.?! by Siniset · · Score: 1

    This is pretty interesting, and shows why william gibson is a pretty widely read author; other posters have called him a luddite, while you talk about him romanticising technology. Me, I see a little bit of both in him.

  62. Why Problem? by bettiwettiwoo · · Score: 1
    ... my largest problem with Neuromancer was that it took many many readings [...] before I finally really started to understand everything.
    Why is that a problem? A book that forces you to think and then go back a re-read it and think again and maybe have an aha-experience at some stage and then think some more and re-read, etc etc, is usually one of the more interesting -- it might irritate the hell out of you, but it would still be interesting, wouldn't it, rather than boring or dull -- reading experiences you can have, in my not-at-all-humble opinion.

    Books that you understand immediately can also be interesting of course, but books that are something of a challenge are often the ones that stay with you -- irrespective of whether you finally agree with them or not.

    Danish authoress Suzanne Brogger once said, a propos her book Ja, that since it had taken her 10 years to write it, she couldn't understand why it shouldn't take people 10 years to read it. Not that I necessarily think that for me personally that would apply to either Ja or Neuromancer. But it might for you -- after all: you seem to be re-reading after ... how many years?

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    1. Re:Why Problem? by el-spectre · · Score: 1

      If you mean that you keep getting new stuff out of the novel, I agree. I am like that everytime I read LOTR. But if you can't even understand a story the first go around, the author mesed up.

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      "Faith: Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel." - A.B.
    2. Re:Why Problem? by cmowire · · Score: 1

      Hrm. You are correct -- I shouldn't have called it a problem. ;)

  63. BZZZT. Here's why you can't trust internet. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    DeadVulcan is claiming to reminisce back to the day when Gibson coined the term "Cyberspace" and that people who really knew internet stuff like HTTP were laughing.

    The laugh is on you youngster.

    Neuromancer was published in 1986, and HTTP was first used in 1990.

    1. Re:BZZZT. Here's why you can't trust internet. by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      He's flashing back to 1994 when Time and Newsweek first picked up on the term. Arrrggghh! Yes, it was mis-used and over used. And now it's dead. I hope.

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  64. Contacting Will Gibson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I spent a good 2 months emailing gibson and his agents. While he was a light visionary, all of his ideas can be extrapolated from reading some media lab report snad negroponte's wired columns. Fool. too bad he smoked too much weed in BC and baked his brain.


    though if you ever see the numeric displays from the cabs out there in vancourver you will immediately understadn where many of his visions come from

  65. Accessible? You mean dumbed down by junkgoof · · Score: 1

    Exactly why Neuromancer was great, and better than the others in the series. No concessions. No dumb narrator everything has to be explained to, no long explanations, just enough background to give a clear picture if you actually read it.

    I like Stephenson's stuff, and Gibson's other books (and Sterling's), but Neuromancer is better because it was not written for the masses, it was written for people who would read and think. Beautiful book, and sort of like Douglas Adams' later stuff, most people say "I didn't get that one, but I liked X (where X is one of his other books that sold better)."

    This is not elitism, either, it's not a matter of intelligence it's a matter of liking the stuff enough to dig a little.

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  66. That should have been obvious... by devphil · · Score: 1


    >...after the early scene in Neuromancer where Case is on the run for his life because of three megs of stolen RAM.

    Insert RAMBUS-litigators joke here.

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    1. Re:That should have been obvious... by edunbar93 · · Score: 1

      No, it was six megs, and he was fencing it to pay for a bus ticket to a nearby town.

      In other words, he was getting all of about $60 for it, which is right about in line for the price of RAM in the mid 90s, when the book was set.

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    2. Re:That should have been obvious... by Endive4Ever · · Score: 1

      No, in about 1994 or so I paid $40 apiece for some 1 meg SIMMs and felt I was getting a good deal.

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    3. Re:That should have been obvious... by bigdavex · · Score: 1

      No, in about 1994 or so I paid $40 apiece for some 1 meg SIMMs and felt I was getting a good deal.

      Yeah, but I think it's reasonable for the second-hand market to be much less.

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    4. Re:That should have been obvious... by Endive4Ever · · Score: 1

      These were second hand SIMMs that I bought from a friend.

      I suppose the 'fence' market would be lower, which this appears to pertain to.

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  67. The earliest cyberspace in print by devphil · · Score: 1


    is almost universally acknowledged as Vernor Vinge's novella True Names. No cutesy terms like "matrix" or "cyber-" anything, but all the ideas are there. Not as overtly gritty as Neuromancer, either, but I found it equally depressing.

    You can find it in a number of anthologies. The most recent is called something like True Names and the Opening of the Cyberspace Frontier, which has the novella and a bunch of nonfiction essays by interesting people.

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  68. have you done iti by onShore_Jake · · Score: 5, Funny

    you are not truly a Nerd until you have hacked the Garbage file of a Gibson. You never know what you'll find. Rumor has it that that is where the leaked Windows code is from.

    1. Re:have you done iti by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For everyone that has modded this "Interesting" and the rest that doesn't know, this is a reference to the movie "Hackers". Don't think it needs more explaination.

  69. Virtual Writing by t0ny · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Does he delve into how Neal Stephen's book "Snow Crash" inspired him to write "Virtaul Light"?

    After reading VL, the entire thing gave me a super feeling of deja vu. I havent read another Gibson novel since then. Its a shame how somebody who had once been such a good writer could stoop so low.

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    1. Re:Virtual Writing by penguinstorm · · Score: 2, Interesting

      read Pattern Recognition; i was a bit disappointed by Idoru & All Tomorrow's Party's but Pattern Recognition was very good.

      Virtual Light wasn't a major disappointment, but you could definitely see the start of the slippery slope. I still call my Trek a paper mache bike.

      I lived across the road from him in the month prior to its release; never saw him once, although I bump into him occassionally around town these days.

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    2. Re:Virtual Writing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're an idiot.

  70. the father of cyberpunk by daddy+norcal · · Score: 4, Insightful


    Gibson is one of the all time great sci-fi storytellers.

    To this day neuromancer remains one of the best sci-fi tales of the modern age. Reading it for the first time when I was 13, I didn't understand it all. In fact I didn't understand most of it until I had re-read it a few times. Perhaps this is why it was not a critical success immediately. Either way, they eventually came around, and within two years the book had won the big three.

    The real reason I loved the book as a kid was because of Case! He was one of the guys who made me want to grow up to be a code cowboy (even if I didn't come close). Gibson gave the nerd a sexy and dangerous side that put the cyberpunk genre on the map, soon after every would be 'hacker' was longing for 'cyberspace' just like Case was:

    A year [in Japan] and he still dreamed of cyberspace, hope fading nightly.... He'd see the matrix in his sleep, bright lattices of logic unfolding across that colorless void.... The Sprawl was a long strange way home over the Pacific now, and he was no console man, no cyberspace cowboy. Just another hustler, trying to make it through. But the dreams came on in the Japanese night like livewire voodoo, and he'd cry for it, cry in his sleep, and wake alone in the dark, curled in his capsule in some coffin hot el, his hands clawed into the bedslab, temperfoam bunched between his fingers, trying to reach the console that wasn't there.'

    A master at the top of his game.

  71. 10 years ago I chatted briefly with him... by DerProfi · · Score: 5, Interesting

    at some lackluster book signing (can't even remember which book) he was attending at a store in Washington DC. I asked him to sign my copy with "Dear Stranger, Sorry I had this book printed in such a terrible typeface. It won't happen again, Thanks, WG" He got mock-defensive and I apologized profusely at which point he grinned and talked with me for several minutes about why he had selected what he called the "East Berlin Street Sign Font", most of which I proceeded to forget although I do remember that he mentioned something about having traveled there shortly after the wall came down. I doubt I'll ever come face-to-face with another well-known writer who's cool enough to talk to some random schmoe the way he did, so mad love to you, Bill! And there ends the one and only semi-namedropping post I could ever hope to make on Slashdot...

    Oh, and he chose to sign my book with a simple "BAD TYPE! William Gibson".

    Smart-ass...

    PS, anyone checking out his oevre should definitely not miss his short stories

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    1. Re:10 years ago I chatted briefly with him... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      oeuvre, you idiot! When you use italics, spell correctly too.

    2. Re:10 years ago I chatted briefly with him... by captainClassLoader · · Score: 1

      My wife has a phone message from him - (Preserved for ever, I may add!) Years ago she wanted to use Wintermute in the name of her software startup, and approached his publisher. We were very surprised some weeks later to get a call from The Man Himself, giving us verbal permission to use the name. He also suggested that since he picked the name to be somewhat "creepy", maybe we should consider what kind of image we wanted for the company!

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  72. Most of the time, no by delmoi · · Score: 1

    My 600mhz Duron pc works fine for the vast majority of things I do with it.

    But a faster machine would be nice for some of the programs I do write. One, using Java's JPG decompression for a 'pr0n viewer' I use to help with Autopr0n is pretty slow, and a faster machine would help with that.

    And for some of my AI classes, wow. I was craving a massive cluster to do these genetic algorithms.

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  73. Gibson is pretty much like the Matrix movies by GCP · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It amazes me how many technical types go ga-ga over Gibson's writings or the Matrix movies. They're all atmosphere and no substance. Wow! Hot chick assassins in black leather and shades! Kewwwl!

    I've spoken with Gibson. He knows little about either technology or Asia and doesn't deny it. He's not a phony. All he claims to be doing is "creating a mood", and he thinks it pretty odd that techies would consider him some sort of visionary.

    I do, too. I don't mind atmosphere, but only when it's a natural-feeling background to a world that is substantially believable and interesting. For it to really grab me, it needs to feel like a sneak preview of a future that, based on what I know of the technologies and cultures, I consider to be enough of a realistic possibility that I want to pay attention. I want to learn about that future from the book and walk away with my head buzzing with new ideas.

    Instead, I get black leather clad Bad Boy and Bad Girl rebel anti-heroes in sunglasses battling the Evil Big Corporations. Whoa. Deep. [yawn...]

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    1. Re:Gibson is pretty much like the Matrix movies by pamar · · Score: 1


      Could you provide a couple of titles you liked more than Gibson's and Matrix?

      Thanks...

      (Not that I necessarily disagree with your point... especially regarding The Matrix).

    2. Re:Gibson is pretty much like the Matrix movies by GCP · · Score: 1

      That's an excellent question, and I wish I had something useful to offer. I got so fed up with science fiction that I essentially abandoned it years ago (back around the time Neuromancer was published). I'm probably looking for something along the lines of a Tom Clancy story set about thirty years in the future. That level of research, that level of attention to detail, with a real (and interesting) plot showing solid, believable characters interacting in a world with some dramatic (and fascinating) changes and some things very much unchanged.

      The only real titles that come to mind are Sagan's Contact (movie and book) and 2001 A Space Odyssey. 2001 is dated, now, but it was an excellent attempt at a possible 30-yr future, thirty-five years ago. It also shows just how far off even very bright, technically astute, and visionary people can be in just 30 short years. Still, it was an excellent attempt, and I've wondered for years when someone would make the "2001" of today based on extrapolations of the Net, biotech, nanotech, etc.

      Contact isn't it, set essentially in the present, but they did a good job with it. Like 2001, it degenerates into virtual randomness at the end, which I'm not too pleased about, but what else can you do with a plot that requires contact with intelligent aliens at the end? Most of the movie leading up to the climax was pretty solid, as I recall.

      I'd prefer a movie that didn't have to deal with contact with intelligent ETs, descents into black holes, the distant future, etc., since they are so unforseeable that pretty much anything you do will be hokey.

      But there are plenty of existing technologies and societal changes, still in their infancy, that could make for a stunningly amazing experience if extrapolated carefully a couple of decades or so.

      It's just that reality affects me emotionally more than nonsense like hobbits or guys in sunglasses shooting at software with bullets (Matrix), so attention to detail and accuracy makes a book or movie more moving to me.

      If anyone has a suggestion, please suggest.

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  74. Re:Accessible? You mean dumbed down by mister_tim · · Score: 1

    No - I don't mean dumbed down. I don't think that using a narrator (or, for that matter, devoting 1/3 of a book getting into a detailed, arcane history of neuro-linguistics) equates to something being dumbed down. I just think that it's a different style of writing. And, I believe, the intent behind 'Snow Crash' was not as much to write a thought-provoking book but to write a cool sci-fi novel.

    Anyway, to use a truism (bad debating technique, but hey) just look at the number of people, even on Slashdot, who say "I liked Snow Crash, but it took me so many re-readings to get/get into Neuromancer". I'm saying that Neuromancer was less accessible, and I'm basing that on my observations of the number of people who found it that way.

  75. Re:Mr. Gibson's work is Anti-Semitic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yep, definitely French

  76. Re:Where's the VOICE RECOG.?! by SealBeater · · Score: 1

    So I got one wrong.

    SealBeater

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  77. Re:Where's the VOICE RECOG.?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thanks for the best laugh today. You probably SHOULD be a writer!

  78. Preview Comment Re:have you done iti by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This was modded interesting?

    There should be IQ tests to screen moderators.

  79. From Neuromancer to Pattern Recognition by theolein · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I am amongst the many people who were quite dissapointed with pattern recognition. One could, however, have seen it coming for quite a while now as his second trilogy, the Bridge series, was quite a step down in terms of interest (who really cared about the bridge), innovation (wow, vr glasses and vrml websites!! how cool) and tension (the pro assassin is sort of like a gap model with a knife).

    The things that really made Neuromacer and Count Zero for me (MLO was starting to get boring, somehow) were the grimy, gritty texture of the settings (this got translated marvelously into the matrix), the interesting characters (Case, Molly, the Finn, The Count etc) who were all from a criminal strata, the plot that is extremely well thought out and paced, the AI's (Neuromancer and Wintermute make excellent characters) and his ability to describe minute details in a setting that could conjure up a visible image of the room or place in one's mind.

    So what if there weren't any cell-phones. Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon came out in 1973 and used musical tech from that era, and I still love it.

    Even in the bridge trilogy there were parts which were true Gibson where he was describing the hard luck times of the male hero working for the store as a security man.

    I think that what started Gibson off on his journey of boredom is when he had made enough money to no longer have to write at his very best level, in order to survive. He started then writing about rich boring people.

    Perhaops about the time he became one too.

  80. Re:me a more productive programmer by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 1

    You don't need a faster computer, unless you're multi-tasking like mad... the number one thing you can upgrade to increase productivity is is adding another monitor.

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  81. Re:Where's the VOICE RECOG.?! by blue0 · · Score: 1

    He wrote neuromancer with an old Hermes typewriter.

    The typewriter appears in the book.

  82. Here is an actual braindump of Keanu Reeves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    /* don't ask me how I got this */
    /* really, you don't want to know */

    void main(void){
    while( expression == void){
    sleep(5);
    fprintf(SILVERSCREEN,"Whoa!\n");
    }
    return blank_stare;
    }

    1. Re:Here is an actual braindump of Keanu Reeves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if only they had used #include

  83. Thanks to Gibson by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone ever play Shadowrun? Either the RPG or the Genesis game? We have Mr. Gibson to thank for that incredibly fun (and eerily accurate prediction of a futuristic) universe. The Matrix movies never impressed me because of the lack of originality - it came from William Gibson, not Keeanu!

  84. My bad, you anonymous rude person. by DerProfi · · Score: 1

    It's those ligature vowels that always screw me up. Would you like some feedback on your own writing problems?

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  85. Re:Accessible? You mean dumbed down by junkgoof · · Score: 1

    And I think that it contributed to the quality of the narrative that it was not accessible. I liked Snow Crash, but I thought Neuromancer was special, in part because it is not "accessible." There is nothing terribly complicated about the narrative, people don't get through it because they don't think (and not because they can't think) about the story as they read it.

    Product of modern media, I guess. Films, as an example, repeat everything so many times to make sure everyone gets it that the plotlines are boring just due to repetition. A number of movies (eg Enemy of the State) are more fun if you miss the first half hour and only hear the stuff once.

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  86. Gibson Pattern Recognition paperback tour by Mr_Ust · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I caught Gibson in New York yesterday. It was interesting to see him in person. He talked about how he is often accused of being prescient. As an example, he said that he had no idea that pilates would become so big by the time the book came out. Take that with a grain of salt, he didn't come across as arrogant at all. He read the first chapter of Pattern Recognition, answered a few questions from the audience, and then spent about an hour signing books.

    Some of the questions were about:

    • The influence of No Logo on the main character (very tenuous, he saw the title and got the idea).
    • His writing technique and how he likes to describe everything in minute detail (he said the granularity is dictated by his subconcious).

    One of the main points of the talk was how he would hate to be thought of as a didactic writer. He likes to shape the characters and let their motivations move the story along.

    He denied being the creator of his own genre, but he said it was something he aspired to.

    I had bought Pattern Recognition the week before and I hadn't known he was coming into town, so I spent the last few days fininshing it before seeing him speak in person. It's an excellent book and the reviews are quite right when they say that it's his best book since Neuromancer.

  87. just picked up neuromancer by fleck1974 · · Score: 1

    i just picked up neuromancer after rereading snow crash. i love the synchronicity of find william gibson as a headline. and i like that he got the idea from the IIc, which was my first computer

  88. Not That Cool? by Vagary · · Score: 1

    I'd have to give it a mixed review. He discusses some ideas in the first third which seem really profound, until you realise that its something you were already familiar with and he is just really eloquent. The last third is almost entirely about the writing process, which I found pretty interesting but my girlfriend swears was boring. It might as well be a radio interview given how boring the back of the limo is -- they bluescreen the windows in order to do weird stuff with the outside, but it doesn't really help.

    Personally I'd advise consuming it as you would a radio interview (while you're washing dishes or whatever) and in three parts (the DVD is mysteriously divided as such). I think that would have made it a more pleasurable experience.

    Also, when I heard that Bono and The Edge were in it, I figured that guest'd be popping into the back of Gibson's limo, but instead they just intersperse some video of Bono reading from Neuromancer.