In the case of The War of the Worlds, the radio broadcast WAS designed to sound "real", complete with interrupting musical programs for special announcements and so on.
And weeks passed in-story during the hour long show...
The book is also designed to "sound" real, complete with "this is what the newspaper are not telling you" bits and all. The radio show was a great adaptation, but it wasn't pretending to be a realtime description of current events.
All us "pirates" that refuse to pay for music that goes to fund lawsuits against music lovers could theoretically then go and buy music from the Eagles
That depends, are they theoretically offering quality MP3/Ogg/whatever, or is it gonna be RealMedia DRMd crap? Because one of these things is not like the other.
Actually I read that they may have chosen Polonium under the belief that it could not be detected, unaware that in fact western countries could find it. Given that it took even doctors in London a long time to figure it out, this theory seems to hold some water. The whole "sending a message" theory doesn't seem to hold water to me.
They claimed that the Georgian then-candidate to be president Viktor Ioutchenko had syphilis when they, in fact, poisoned his soup with polychlorinated biphenyls. Poison that doesn't kill you right away, but it makes a pretty boy look like he's gained 50 years in a few weeks... then gives him cancer.
Learn the lesson: You can't trust the greedy to run critical infrastructure.
Kind of makes you wonder why health care isn't considered critical infrastructure.
(I know this is way OT, but that quote made me think. I never thought about health care being "critical infrastructure" before. If health care was treated like electricity or gas we wouldn't need all this goddam political drama.)
Mod away!
Yeah... hard to find a leeway to "hackers will doom us all" in there, but I agree. Society needs to have ways to ensure that what it needs will stay available.
I find that a mix of free enterprise and government oversight is the best approach. If you go all government, it gets bogged down, if you go all free market, it gets pilfered.
They were cutting costs, and since there was no oversight from NERC/FERC, they got away with it, just as they did in the years before they were deregulated. Since 2003, NERC has developed an extensive system of regulatory controls and FERC has been given the ability to levy fines to keep compliance.
So I got "lack of oversight" mixed in with "deregulation". You'll pardon, I hope, my mingling of these two related notions under the same umbrella.
As for being wrong, someone already pointed out to you that hydro-quebec wasn't cut apart for their so called failures, but because of the technical nature of their transmission lines, and you'll also note that their failures were due to extraordinary catastrophic events (geomagnetic and ice storms) and not human error, and that they have since taken steps to remedy the weaknesses that allowed these acts of god to mess with our flow of electrons. Which brings me back to my point: We need government oversight (regulation, if you will) to ensure a safe supply, so that only mighty forces of nature, such as the sun's unpredictable eruptions can cause failures, and not mere hackers.
A point that I raised and you dismissed without comment.
Frankly, the tone of your post made me want to simply tell you to fuck off. If you want better replies in the future, try to be less abrasive.
I didn't say there was one and only one cause of that really big event, and I think you're a twat for implying that this is what I meant. Be happy I was in a good enough mood to give some more information which your reply did not really warrant. How much research and time-spent are you expecting out of slashdot posts? Really? I linked to a wikipedia article relevant to the topic, it had enough info there to lead to the rest I gave later, you should have been able to do that yourself, rather than to blab off about being incorrect and misleading.
The great blackout of 2003, which took out the north east united states and a good chunk of ontario, was caused by deregulation (removing the requirement to clear the branches around the power lines). Quebec, which has state-owned power (Hydro-Quebec) was not hit hard by that blackout, because it keeps its grid out of phase with those dangerously unregulated parts around it.
Learn the lesson: You can't trust the greedy to run critical infrastructure.
Misleading and incorrect.
1. The article your cited does not state that the blackout was due to deregulation "removing the requirement to clear branches around the power lines." It states, quite clearly, that the main cause was due to a generating plant going offline, then several power transmission lines going offline (or "tripping") due to tree contact. Nowhere does it say that deregulation had anything to do with that sequence of events.
Since you're too busy being pedantic and patronizing to look for this follow-up info, here's the keywords you need: “Utility Vegetation Management Final Report,”
At first glance, Rule 218 seems clear in its intent, but it has historically generated a great deal of industry discussion regarding what it actually requires. For example, the use of the word “should” versus “shall” points to its application as a general guideline, not a mandate. More importantly, Rule 218 does not specifically state that clearances should be “maintained” between energized lines and vegetation. While some have argued that it can be interpreted as a “no-touch rule”, the industry has not interpreted it to require that mandatory clearances be maintained at all times.
You have to FORCE them to do their job right, or else they'll argue that they don't have to, and they'll let their negligent ways cause major inconveniences for millions of people.
If they won't integrate safety systems to protect the system properly from hacker attacks, hit them in the wallet, hard. Pass sound regulation to force them to implement safeguards, require inspections/audits that they are done, not just take their BS word for it.
Yes, of course! The government has already taken over the banking sector, the mortgage sector, the automotive sector, is about to take over the healthcare sector, so fuck it - the government may as well take over the energy sector as well. I can't wait until they take over food distribution - I've always wanted to know what it's like to stand in line for a loaf of bread all day.
The great blackout of 2003, which took out the north east united states and a good chunk of ontario, was caused by deregulation (removing the requirement to clear the branches around the power lines). Quebec, which has state-owned power (Hydro-Quebec) was not hit hard by that blackout, because it keeps its grid out of phase with those dangerously unregulated parts around it.
Learn the lesson: You can't trust the greedy to run critical infrastructure.
That economic thing goes both ways, Canada being the US' largest trading partner, and the Canadian government doesn't need to ask for "permission" from the US to pass legislation.
They are not equal partners. One is large and domineering, the other is small and subservient.
"No kidding. 40 years of the "War on Drugs" has wasted thousands of lives in jail, and we're no closer to eliminating drugs. It will take at least 40 years of a war on copyright infringers before anyone starts seriously discussing legalization."
We've had science, medical research, doctors, and hospitals for a century now. We still haven't eliminated disease or death. We fund police departments. We still haven't eliminated crime. We fund fire departments. Yet, we still haven't eliminated fires.
I think it's time we all just gave up.
Maybe if you'd let the doctors deal with drugs instead of insisting to have the police take care of it, you'd see more progress.
I see no sign of countries being 'coerced' into stricter drug laws.
Back in, I think it was 2003, Canada tried to decriminalize personal use of Cannabis, the Justice Minister went to Washington to ask permission, and he was told by the drug czar "nice economy you have there, 'd be a shame if the borders were shut down..."
There's been lots of pressure put on the Netherlands too.
Drugs don't ruin lives, cops/government ruin lives. If all drugs were legal there would be no drug related crimes.
That's not true, stop thinking in terms of extremes and absolute. There would be a great drop in drug related crimes, but you'd still get people driving high on meth or fucking up their lives with heroin, even if the problem would be attenuated.
(*) I'm using my dad as a stereotype instead of my mother because I recently learned that using mothers as examples of clueless users is sexist. So I'm
Being ageist instead? Not much of an improvement, if you ask me... but if you ask a broad, she'll say otherwise;-)
Just try that up here in winter time, see how far ya get.
How about I'll drive much slower than the posted limit when conditions dictate it, how's that? How about using your head to figure out the correct speed at which to drive rather than some bureaucrat's, or worse, some politician's idea of the correct speed? Can you do that?
If you cannot maintain your speed at the posted limit [...] you are not maintaining "superior control" of your vehicle. You're just trying to justify your asshattery. (Yes, we all got that you're talking about youself.)
The posted limit is just a money-making threshold, it has nothing to do with control of the vehicle.
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These days, is there anyone left who does NOT block all these data collection and tracking things?
Most people. They either don't understand, or don't care.
That must be the half of the world that doesn't know geology or plate tectonics.
Since you know so much about geology and plate tectonics, you must think that India is part of Oceania, and not of Asia, huh?
CANDU
That's the right attitude! ;-)
You show those "can't do" guys how it's done!
In the case of The War of the Worlds, the radio broadcast WAS designed to sound "real", complete with interrupting musical programs for special announcements and so on.
And weeks passed in-story during the hour long show...
The book is also designed to "sound" real, complete with "this is what the newspaper are not telling you" bits and all. The radio show was a great adaptation, but it wasn't pretending to be a realtime description of current events.
All us "pirates" that refuse to pay for music that goes to fund lawsuits against music lovers could theoretically then go and buy music from the Eagles
That depends, are they theoretically offering quality MP3/Ogg/whatever, or is it gonna be RealMedia DRMd crap? Because one of these things is not like the other.
Actually I read that they may have chosen Polonium under the belief that it could not be detected, unaware that in fact western countries could find it. Given that it took even doctors in London a long time to figure it out, this theory seems to hold some water. The whole "sending a message" theory doesn't seem to hold water to me.
They claimed that the Georgian then-candidate to be president Viktor Ioutchenko had syphilis when they, in fact, poisoned his soup with polychlorinated biphenyls. Poison that doesn't kill you right away, but it makes a pretty boy look like he's gained 50 years in a few weeks... then gives him cancer.
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<p>Learn the lesson: You can't trust the greedy to run critical infrastructure.</p></quote>
What am I missing?
Don't we currently trust them to run the nation's cellular networks?
Are they critical yet? And if so, are they not under the watch of regulators?
Learn the lesson: You can't trust the greedy to run critical infrastructure.
Kind of makes you wonder why health care isn't considered critical infrastructure.
(I know this is way OT, but that quote made me think. I never thought about health care being "critical infrastructure" before. If health care was treated like electricity or gas we wouldn't need all this goddam political drama.)
Mod away!
Yeah... hard to find a leeway to "hackers will doom us all" in there, but I agree. Society needs to have ways to ensure that what it needs will stay available.
I find that a mix of free enterprise and government oversight is the best approach. If you go all government, it gets bogged down, if you go all free market, it gets pilfered.
And if you aren't trying to convince others, then why are you here?
To share information, you adversarial #@%$@#%$@.
They were cutting costs, and since there was no oversight from NERC/FERC, they got away with it, just as they did in the years before they were deregulated. Since 2003, NERC has developed an extensive system of regulatory controls and FERC has been given the ability to levy fines to keep compliance.
So I got "lack of oversight" mixed in with "deregulation". You'll pardon, I hope, my mingling of these two related notions under the same umbrella.
As for being wrong, someone already pointed out to you that hydro-quebec wasn't cut apart for their so called failures, but because of the technical nature of their transmission lines, and you'll also note that their failures were due to extraordinary catastrophic events (geomagnetic and ice storms) and not human error, and that they have since taken steps to remedy the weaknesses that allowed these acts of god to mess with our flow of electrons. Which brings me back to my point: We need government oversight (regulation, if you will) to ensure a safe supply, so that only mighty forces of nature, such as the sun's unpredictable eruptions can cause failures, and not mere hackers.
A point that I raised and you dismissed without comment.
Frankly, the tone of your post made me want to simply tell you to fuck off. If you want better replies in the future, try to be less abrasive.
I didn't say there was one and only one cause of that really big event, and I think you're a twat for implying that this is what I meant. Be happy I was in a good enough mood to give some more information which your reply did not really warrant. How much research and time-spent are you expecting out of slashdot posts? Really? I linked to a wikipedia article relevant to the topic, it had enough info there to lead to the rest I gave later, you should have been able to do that yourself, rather than to blab off about being incorrect and misleading.
The great blackout of 2003, which took out the north east united states and a good chunk of ontario, was caused by deregulation (removing the requirement to clear the branches around the power lines).
Quebec, which has state-owned power (Hydro-Quebec) was not hit hard by that blackout, because it keeps its grid out of phase with those dangerously unregulated parts around it.
Learn the lesson: You can't trust the greedy to run critical infrastructure.
Misleading and incorrect.
1. The article your cited does not state that the blackout was due to deregulation "removing the requirement to clear branches around the power lines." It states, quite clearly, that the main cause was due to a generating plant going offline, then several power transmission lines going offline (or "tripping") due to tree contact. Nowhere does it say that deregulation had anything to do with that sequence of events.
Since you're too busy being pedantic and patronizing to look for this follow-up info, here's the keywords you need: “Utility Vegetation Management Final Report,”
At first glance, Rule 218 seems clear in its intent, but it has historically generated a great deal of
industry discussion regarding what it actually requires. For example, the use of the word
“should” versus “shall” points to its application as a general guideline, not a mandate. More
importantly, Rule 218 does not specifically state that clearances should be “maintained”
between energized lines and vegetation. While some have argued that it can be interpreted as a
“no-touch rule”, the industry has not interpreted it to require that mandatory clearances be
maintained at all times.
You have to FORCE them to do their job right, or else they'll argue that they don't have to, and they'll let their negligent ways cause major inconveniences for millions of people.
If they won't integrate safety systems to protect the system properly from hacker attacks, hit them in the wallet, hard. Pass sound regulation to force them to implement safeguards, require inspections/audits that they are done, not just take their BS word for it.
Yes, of course! The government has already taken over the banking sector, the mortgage sector, the automotive sector, is about to take over the healthcare sector, so fuck it - the government may as well take over the energy sector as well. I can't wait until they take over food distribution - I've always wanted to know what it's like to stand in line for a loaf of bread all day.
The great blackout of 2003, which took out the north east united states and a good chunk of ontario, was caused by deregulation (removing the requirement to clear the branches around the power lines).
Quebec, which has state-owned power (Hydro-Quebec) was not hit hard by that blackout, because it keeps its grid out of phase with those dangerously unregulated parts around it.
Learn the lesson: You can't trust the greedy to run critical infrastructure.
wild rabbit eat what wild rabbits are SUPPOSED to eat
Their own poop?
>>>I've never really wanted kids...
In evolutionary terms that makes you a failure.
Newton was a failure? Leonardo? Tesla?
That economic thing goes both ways, Canada being the US' largest trading partner, and the Canadian government doesn't need to ask for "permission" from the US to pass legislation.
They are not equal partners. One is large and domineering, the other is small and subservient.
I'm black, so it goes without saying that mayonaise to me is like garlic to a vampire.
What? :S
There's whole areas of food related racism I just don't get.
"No kidding. 40 years of the "War on Drugs" has wasted thousands of lives in jail, and we're no closer to eliminating drugs. It will take at least 40 years of a war on copyright infringers before anyone starts seriously discussing legalization."
We've had science, medical research, doctors, and hospitals for a century now. We still haven't eliminated disease or death. We fund police departments. We still haven't eliminated crime. We fund fire departments. Yet, we still haven't eliminated fires.
I think it's time we all just gave up.
Maybe if you'd let the doctors deal with drugs instead of insisting to have the police take care of it, you'd see more progress.
I see no sign of countries being 'coerced' into stricter drug laws.
Back in, I think it was 2003, Canada tried to decriminalize personal use of Cannabis, the Justice Minister went to Washington to ask permission, and he was told by the drug czar "nice economy you have there, 'd be a shame if the borders were shut down..."
There's been lots of pressure put on the Netherlands too.
Do some research, you'll see the coercion.
Drugs don't ruin lives, cops/government ruin lives. If all drugs were legal there would be no drug related crimes.
That's not true, stop thinking in terms of extremes and absolute. There would be a great drop in drug related crimes, but you'd still get people driving high on meth or fucking up their lives with heroin, even if the problem would be attenuated.
Does anyone else find it ironic that the "Can-Spam Act" is meant to stop people from spamming
Yes, it's ironic, in this context it's meant as "to put it in a can", you know, like the meat Spam.
And this guy is going to go spend time in a metal box, so it seems fitting.
(*) I'm using my dad as a stereotype instead of my mother because I recently learned that using mothers as examples of clueless users is sexist. So I'm
Being ageist instead? Not much of an improvement, if you ask me... but if you ask a broad, she'll say otherwise ;-)
Just try that up here in winter time, see how far ya get.
How about I'll drive much slower than the posted limit when conditions dictate it, how's that? How about using your head to figure out the correct speed at which to drive rather than some bureaucrat's, or worse, some politician's idea of the correct speed? Can you do that?
If you cannot maintain your speed at the posted limit [...] you are not maintaining "superior control" of your vehicle. You're just trying to justify your asshattery. (Yes, we all got that you're talking about youself.)
The posted limit is just a money-making threshold, it has nothing to do with control of the vehicle.
It's so freaking cool that there's going to be something man-made that will reach temperatures similar to the core of the sun. It's just... too cool.
Oh, the irony.