I am looking to hire 3 student programmers right now, and even amongst our best candidates, they can't write a simple 4-line script to output a file to screen. They are very, very smart students, but they don't have any skills! Employers need workers with practical experience, and in general WANT workers who have lots of experience with specific software.
If they're very, very smart, couldn't you just...*gasp*... train them?
I guess I'm an old fogey. I remember a time when skills were learned through work experience. A company trained you in what you needed to know, and the company got a good return on investment on a grateful life-long employee.
Nowadays, companies expect experience programmers to just appear out-of-nowhere. Or they blame universities for not producing experienced programmers fresh out of college suited to their exact needs. That was NEVER the purpose of college. The purpose was to provided fundamental knowledge that could be built-upon in the real world.
Sorry...but when I hear arguments from a manager complaining about not finding experienced talent, it's nothing more than hearing complained from cheapskates about not being able to find free lunches.
Haha, it takes a special type of person to fall for such obvious smears, when they are so obviously made up whole cloth.
How on Earth did "Slashdot, News for Nerds" turn into this? Maybe I'm getting old, but I used to remember Slashdot being the place to go to find interesting and insightful information about science. The comments used to be the best part of Slashdot. They almost always provided interesting additional information on a topic above and beyond what was provided by the articles.
But now we get childish anti-science potshots making it up to score 5, Informative? What the heck happened? Has Slashdot been taken over by commenting shrills paid by the Koch brothers? Or did all the intelligent Slashdotters simply leave long ago? If so, could someone please tell me where they went?
That if GM had collapsed, it would have created a huge vacuum, that would have rapidly been filled with new startups. The automotive industry could have gotten a big injection of "new" and we'd have maybe dozens of Tesla-like automotive companies.
Try not to take this the wrong way, but I do find this common libertarian faith in capitalism to be very naive. The belief that letting the market decide everything is the best approach is just bizarre to me. It may be a good way of allocating resources efficiently, but it's also a recipe for economic inequality and environmental catastrophe.
If GM had collapsed, it's not just GM that would have disappeared. There were MANY perfectly solvent suppliers that would have also gone out of business. These companies employ millions of people. With no cash flow, they cannot survive until these "new startups" get off the ground. How long do you think it takes to create a car company from scratch?
And what would happen to all of these unemployed workers while all these startups are starting over from scratch? Economists were estimating the unemployment rate would have been around 15%-20% if the entire auto industry was allowed to fail. What effects would this have been on the remainder of the economy?
Any what makes you believe that this vacuum would be filled with startups in the United States? It's much cheaper to start a company in China where you can simply dump your waste in rivers, and where you don't have to worry about stuff like worker safety. It's been reported in National Geographic that 70% of rivers and lakes in China contain water unsuitable for ANIMAL consumption. Our environmental regulations put the United States at an economic disadvantage since Chinese companies effectively don't have to spend money on reducing their pollution. And their workforce is accustomed to living on slave wages, having to work 12 hours a day, 7 days a week to make enough money to survive. And if a worker gets hurt or dies, there's plenty of replacements ready and able.
However, from a pure libertarian perspective, you're essentially right. The market would have adjusted and allocated resources in the most efficient way. The winners would have been factory owners and investors in China, and to a lesser extent workers in China whose wages and working environment would have improved somewhat, but still much lower than that enjoyed by American workers. American workers would have been decimated because from a purely economic viewpoint, they simply cannot compete with cheap labor and lax regulation overseas.
So sorry, but screw your libertarian beliefs if they mean I need to work for slave wages 7 days a week to survive, only to die at a young age due to emphysema or cancer because of pollution.
If a doctor tells me I have cancer, and then later tells me it's progressing twice as fast as originally thought, of course that causes me to lose confidence in doctors and thus ignore anything they have to say. Instead, I'll go listen to the homeopathy providers who keep telling me that doctors don't know what they're talking about, and aren't always telling me that I'm going to die. After all, doctors are only interested in making money.
This spring and summer in the United States has been closer to the long term average than most previous years. However, you have to look at what's happening globally. Right now, Europe and Asia are experiencing ALL-TIME record heat: http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/comment.html?entrynum=2483
Over the past decade, record high temperatures have occurred twice as often as record low temperatures. Even in a warming climate, we would expect to see times when the weather is colder than normal, even record breaking cold. However, the fact that the number of high-temperature records far exceeds the number of low-temperature records is strong proof of a warming climate. A single 'nice summer' is not proof of anything.
I doubt that very much. Your argument sounds nice but logically it makes no sense. The "conservatives" would have wanted to make it sound MORE scary, not less.
Since largely speaking it was the liberals, not the conservatives, who were pushing the "global warming" agenda, it would only make sense that THEY were behind the change to make it "less scary" to the public.
Huh? That makes no sense! The conservatives are the ones trying to downplay global warming. They use the following arguments (depending on which one suites them at the moment):
1. Deny that global warming exists.
2. Admit it exists, but that it's normal and nothing to be concerned about.
3. Admit it exists and something to be concerned about, but that it's too late to do anything.
I can't tell if you're for real or just a troll. Your original question sounds like you're asking an honest question, yet all your subsequent responses appear to show that your mind is made up on the subject and you're not looking for answers.
The whole argument that climatologists are pushing climate change for profit makes no sense at all. If that's what they really cared about, they could make WAY more money working for the oil industry producing studies refuting climate change.
"Climate Change" is more common now thanks to conservative think tanks who made a concerted effort to use that term in the early 2000s because it was considered "less scary" than global warming. Scientists went along with it because "Climate Change" is technically more accurate anyway and they are not particularly good at playing politics.
You've got to envy the Republicans in their ability to twist language to suit their needs.
Perhaps I'm starting to get old, but I seem to remember the good old days when companies were less concerned with skills and more concerned with hiring honest, hard working employees, and then TRAINING them. Not only did you end up with employees with the exact skills you needed, you also got employees who were loyal to the company and weren't going to leave for greener pastures at the slightest drop of a hat.
I suspect that the business executives knew all along that this was going to be the long-term outcome when they replaced lifetime career employees with "fluid players". But the short term monetary incentives were just too much for them to turn down at the time, and nothing beyond next quarter's numbers matter to them anyway.
I'll let everyone in on a little secret. IBM is getting rid of most of its software developers because it wants to get out of the software development business. The reason is because they, for a variety of reasons, produce mediocre software, and the executives know it.
IBM's strength is its sales channels. It can command high prices for it's software because it is a trusted brand, and it's very good at strong-arming customers into purchasing expensive complicated solutions once they get their foot in the door.
IBM's new software business model is as follows....
1) Find holes in their "portfolio" for providing end-to-end solutions for customers.
2) Purchase existing companies where that software is already implemented (e.g. Rational, ILOG, Green Hat, Cognos, Buildforge, Telelogic, etc...)
3) Sell said software at much higher prices than the original company could have ever gotten away with.
4) Reduce headcount by eliminating developers from purchased company, replacing them with offshore developers whose only purpose is to "maintain" the newly acquired software. Also, eliminate less-profitable niche products and lay off those developers except for the cream of the crop.
5) Reap huge profits.
6) Repeat.
So don't think that the executives at IBM are idiots. They're not. They've found a way to squeeze tons of profits from existing software companies. They have no reason to care about employee morale. They don't need developers. They've got too many as it is from all of these acquired companies. Bad morale means employees will leave on their own, meaning they don't have to pay severance.
Also, IBM typically purchases companies for a handful of their product line. That leaves lots of smaller software products that IBM simply has no use for (not a large enough market, duplication of product lines, etc...). Often, "rebalancing" means chopping these products out of existence. IBM has literally THOUSANDS of these small niche products that it wants to eliminate.
So for developers, it sucks, because the IBM executives have no need for you anymore. There's no reason for IBM to produce its own software anymore. Why risk starting development on a complex product when you can just purchase the finished product? You're nothing more than a "resource" that they have too much of and which needs to be reduced through "resource actions".
But for executives and shareholders, it's a wonderful arrangement. Don't be fooled....IBM can be profitable doing this for a very long time. Please keep in mind that IBM reducing US headcount from 130k to 90k is misleading. That number does not include the huge number of employees that they've absorbed through acquisitions. They've laid off many more than 40k US employees, and they have no reason to stop now.
1) Get rid of pennies, nickels, and quarters.
2) Replace 50c coins with something nickel-sized. (dollar coins are already quarter-sized)
3) Switch to a deci-dollar based system (e.g. $0.1)
Voila, you have a coins of $0.1 (dime sized), $0.5 (nickel sized), $1.0 (quarter sized) where the coin size is proportional to value. And you just reduced the number of coins in half.
So a planet with about the same surface gravity as Earth, and no iron core. Sounds like a good chance this planet has no magnetic field, and therefore no atmosphere either.
The fact that "everybody is doing it" is irrelevant. People made the same claims about Nike too. But bad press and market pressure made Nike change their ways. Overall, this led to better work conditions for Nike workers.
If you want to improve working conditions for everyone, you've got to strike someone first. Apple has benefited immensely from Chinese labor. Once Apple has caved and improved work conditions for their employees, THEN you can go after the rest (by threatening to only buy Apple products if they don't mend their ways).
Even if it is adopted in a place like China, don't expect it to make a difference in the US. As you've already pointed out, intercity travel is fast and comfortable in Europe using trains, but Americans are blissfully unaware of anything that occurs outside of the states.
In general, anytime code has to be generated by a machine, I'm skeptical. That stuff is going to be absolutely unmaintainable in 10 years. And the tools that generated that code will likely be long gone.
I agree that JS is being used for purposes for which it was never intended. For robust, maintainable applications, you need a strongly-typed language. It seems to me that Java Applets would have eventually filled this space perfectly (a strongly-typed language capable of interacting with the DOM). Unfortunately, Applets were introduced about 15 years too soon (and pretty much killed off by Microsoft), and thus suffered from perceptions of poor performance. And now that Java is owned by Oracle, that opportunity is gone forever.
Forget the bar. What about when you're falling asleep at 2am on the interstate, and you don't want to stop in a potentially dangerous rest area for a break?
I'm calling baloney on this. Statistically, paying more attention to kids when they're younger likely makes them more independent as they grow up. However, the natural range of behavior from kid to kid varies dramatically, even from sibling to sibling who got the same 'treatment' growing up. When I hear comments like this, it's usually from parents who have lucked out with particularly well behaved children.
I have two kids...one very well behaved and self sufficient, and one very clingy who wants to be held CONSTANTLY. Both got the same treatment from us the first 6 months of their lives. So if your kids happen to be self sufficient, it's a stretch to assume that your 'good parenting' had more to do with it than pure luck of the draw.
Also, if you're supposed to pay constant attention to your baby during the first 6 months, how are you supposed to get anything else done during those first 6 months? I don't know about you, but every once in a while, I have to use the bathroom.
Corporations aren't evil. They're not anything.
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This whole argument that "corporations are evil" and "corporations should pay their fair share" is based on the bizarre human tendency to anthropomorphize corporations (and groups of people in general). Saying corporations should pay their fair share of taxes is really no different from saying my wallet should pay it's fair share of taxes based on the money it has in it.
Corporations shouldn't be taxed, period. Money that comes OUT of that corporation through stock dividends and wages and bonuses and perks should be taxed. And that should all be taxed as plain old income, not special kinds of income like "capital gains" that has lower rates to compensate for corporate taxes already taken out.
I'm also highly in favor of targeted VATs. For example, the FDA should be entirely funded on a VAT levied on food and drugs. And if people want their food to be safer, then they have to agree to raise the food VAT to pay for it. And if people want to lower taxes by reducing the food VAT, then they have to deal with less safe food. And the FDA would be legally required to have a balanced budget (i.e. they would only get to spend whatever money they got through food and drug VATs). Same goes for all other government spending. For example, the military should be paid for with an X% 'military' income tax, and ONLY the revenue from that tax. If people want to increase military spending, then the only way to do so is to increase the military income tax. I strongly believe that taxes and spending were tightly coupled like this, most people wouldn't have a problem with taxes, and that it could be a path to balanced budgets in this country. But today, nobody wants to pay taxes because it all goes into a huge slush fund with no apparent accountability on how those funds are spent. Why would any sane person want to spend more on taxes in the current system?
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I am looking to hire 3 student programmers right now, and even amongst our best candidates, they can't write a simple 4-line script to output a file to screen. They are very, very smart students, but they don't have any skills! Employers need workers with practical experience, and in general WANT workers who have lots of experience with specific software.
...*gasp*... train them?
If they're very, very smart, couldn't you just
I guess I'm an old fogey. I remember a time when skills were learned through work experience. A company trained you in what you needed to know, and the company got a good return on investment on a grateful life-long employee.
Nowadays, companies expect experience programmers to just appear out-of-nowhere. Or they blame universities for not producing experienced programmers fresh out of college suited to their exact needs. That was NEVER the purpose of college. The purpose was to provided fundamental knowledge that could be built-upon in the real world.
Sorry...but when I hear arguments from a manager complaining about not finding experienced talent, it's nothing more than hearing complained from cheapskates about not being able to find free lunches.
Haha, it takes a special type of person to fall for such obvious smears, when they are so obviously made up whole cloth.
How on Earth did "Slashdot, News for Nerds" turn into this? Maybe I'm getting old, but I used to remember Slashdot being the place to go to find interesting and insightful information about science. The comments used to be the best part of Slashdot. They almost always provided interesting additional information on a topic above and beyond what was provided by the articles.
But now we get childish anti-science potshots making it up to score 5, Informative? What the heck happened? Has Slashdot been taken over by commenting shrills paid by the Koch brothers? Or did all the intelligent Slashdotters simply leave long ago? If so, could someone please tell me where they went?
That if GM had collapsed, it would have created a huge vacuum, that would have rapidly been filled with new startups. The automotive industry could have gotten a big injection of "new" and we'd have maybe dozens of Tesla-like automotive companies.
Try not to take this the wrong way, but I do find this common libertarian faith in capitalism to be very naive. The belief that letting the market decide everything is the best approach is just bizarre to me. It may be a good way of allocating resources efficiently, but it's also a recipe for economic inequality and environmental catastrophe.
If GM had collapsed, it's not just GM that would have disappeared. There were MANY perfectly solvent suppliers that would have also gone out of business. These companies employ millions of people. With no cash flow, they cannot survive until these "new startups" get off the ground. How long do you think it takes to create a car company from scratch?
And what would happen to all of these unemployed workers while all these startups are starting over from scratch? Economists were estimating the unemployment rate would have been around 15%-20% if the entire auto industry was allowed to fail. What effects would this have been on the remainder of the economy?
Any what makes you believe that this vacuum would be filled with startups in the United States? It's much cheaper to start a company in China where you can simply dump your waste in rivers, and where you don't have to worry about stuff like worker safety. It's been reported in National Geographic that 70% of rivers and lakes in China contain water unsuitable for ANIMAL consumption. Our environmental regulations put the United States at an economic disadvantage since Chinese companies effectively don't have to spend money on reducing their pollution. And their workforce is accustomed to living on slave wages, having to work 12 hours a day, 7 days a week to make enough money to survive. And if a worker gets hurt or dies, there's plenty of replacements ready and able.
However, from a pure libertarian perspective, you're essentially right. The market would have adjusted and allocated resources in the most efficient way. The winners would have been factory owners and investors in China, and to a lesser extent workers in China whose wages and working environment would have improved somewhat, but still much lower than that enjoyed by American workers. American workers would have been decimated because from a purely economic viewpoint, they simply cannot compete with cheap labor and lax regulation overseas.
So sorry, but screw your libertarian beliefs if they mean I need to work for slave wages 7 days a week to survive, only to die at a young age due to emphysema or cancer because of pollution.
If a doctor tells me I have cancer, and then later tells me it's progressing twice as fast as originally thought, of course that causes me to lose confidence in doctors and thus ignore anything they have to say. Instead, I'll go listen to the homeopathy providers who keep telling me that doctors don't know what they're talking about, and aren't always telling me that I'm going to die. After all, doctors are only interested in making money.
This spring and summer in the United States has been closer to the long term average than most previous years. However, you have to look at what's happening globally. Right now, Europe and Asia are experiencing ALL-TIME record heat: http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/comment.html?entrynum=2483
Over the past decade, record high temperatures have occurred twice as often as record low temperatures. Even in a warming climate, we would expect to see times when the weather is colder than normal, even record breaking cold. However, the fact that the number of high-temperature records far exceeds the number of low-temperature records is strong proof of a warming climate. A single 'nice summer' is not proof of anything.
Huh? That makes no sense! The conservatives are the ones trying to downplay global warming. They use the following arguments (depending on which one suites them at the moment):
Trying to make global warming less scary is just part of #2 on that list. Frank Luntz even admits that what they were trying to do... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Luntz#Global_warming
I can't tell if you're for real or just a troll. Your original question sounds like you're asking an honest question, yet all your subsequent responses appear to show that your mind is made up on the subject and you're not looking for answers.
Then you're remembering it wrong.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Luntz#Global_warming
Absolutely correct.
The whole argument that climatologists are pushing climate change for profit makes no sense at all. If that's what they really cared about, they could make WAY more money working for the oil industry producing studies refuting climate change.
The term "Climate Change" has been around since at least the 1950's (see http://www.skepticalscience.com/print.php?r=326).
"Climate Change" is more common now thanks to conservative think tanks who made a concerted effort to use that term in the early 2000s because it was considered "less scary" than global warming. Scientists went along with it because "Climate Change" is technically more accurate anyway and they are not particularly good at playing politics.
You've got to envy the Republicans in their ability to twist language to suit their needs.
Why won't you stupid idiots let me work at your crappy company for jerks?
Perhaps I'm starting to get old, but I seem to remember the good old days when companies were less concerned with skills and more concerned with hiring honest, hard working employees, and then TRAINING them. Not only did you end up with employees with the exact skills you needed, you also got employees who were loyal to the company and weren't going to leave for greener pastures at the slightest drop of a hat.
I suspect that the business executives knew all along that this was going to be the long-term outcome when they replaced lifetime career employees with "fluid players". But the short term monetary incentives were just too much for them to turn down at the time, and nothing beyond next quarter's numbers matter to them anyway.
And if this is one of the Google cars posting messages, I sure hope it's paying attention to the road right now.
The Console font indicates that this is a response from a computer. Is this one of the Google cars posting messages?
It wouldn't be that strange. Europa is theorized to have a liquid ocean due to tidal heating.
I'll let everyone in on a little secret. IBM is getting rid of most of its software developers because it wants to get out of the software development business. The reason is because they, for a variety of reasons, produce mediocre software, and the executives know it.
IBM's strength is its sales channels. It can command high prices for it's software because it is a trusted brand, and it's very good at strong-arming customers into purchasing expensive complicated solutions once they get their foot in the door.
IBM's new software business model is as follows....
1) Find holes in their "portfolio" for providing end-to-end solutions for customers.
2) Purchase existing companies where that software is already implemented (e.g. Rational, ILOG, Green Hat, Cognos, Buildforge, Telelogic, etc...)
3) Sell said software at much higher prices than the original company could have ever gotten away with.
4) Reduce headcount by eliminating developers from purchased company, replacing them with offshore developers whose only purpose is to "maintain" the newly acquired software. Also, eliminate less-profitable niche products and lay off those developers except for the cream of the crop.
5) Reap huge profits.
6) Repeat.
Check out the list of companies they've acquired...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mergers_and_acquisitions_by_IBM#Acquisitions_since_1999
So don't think that the executives at IBM are idiots. They're not. They've found a way to squeeze tons of profits from existing software companies. They have no reason to care about employee morale. They don't need developers. They've got too many as it is from all of these acquired companies. Bad morale means employees will leave on their own, meaning they don't have to pay severance.
Also, IBM typically purchases companies for a handful of their product line. That leaves lots of smaller software products that IBM simply has no use for (not a large enough market, duplication of product lines, etc...). Often, "rebalancing" means chopping these products out of existence. IBM has literally THOUSANDS of these small niche products that it wants to eliminate.
So for developers, it sucks, because the IBM executives have no need for you anymore. There's no reason for IBM to produce its own software anymore. Why risk starting development on a complex product when you can just purchase the finished product? You're nothing more than a "resource" that they have too much of and which needs to be reduced through "resource actions".
But for executives and shareholders, it's a wonderful arrangement. Don't be fooled....IBM can be profitable doing this for a very long time. Please keep in mind that IBM reducing US headcount from 130k to 90k is misleading. That number does not include the huge number of employees that they've absorbed through acquisitions. They've laid off many more than 40k US employees, and they have no reason to stop now.
Oh...I forgot the best part...
4) Profit! (for federal government)
1) Get rid of pennies, nickels, and quarters.
2) Replace 50c coins with something nickel-sized. (dollar coins are already quarter-sized)
3) Switch to a deci-dollar based system (e.g. $0.1)
Voila, you have a coins of $0.1 (dime sized), $0.5 (nickel sized), $1.0 (quarter sized) where the coin size is proportional to value. And you just reduced the number of coins in half.
So a planet with about the same surface gravity as Earth, and no iron core. Sounds like a good chance this planet has no magnetic field, and therefore no atmosphere either.
The fact that "everybody is doing it" is irrelevant. People made the same claims about Nike too. But bad press and market pressure made Nike change their ways. Overall, this led to better work conditions for Nike workers.
If you want to improve working conditions for everyone, you've got to strike someone first. Apple has benefited immensely from Chinese labor. Once Apple has caved and improved work conditions for their employees, THEN you can go after the rest (by threatening to only buy Apple products if they don't mend their ways).
It's called leverage.
Even if it is adopted in a place like China, don't expect it to make a difference in the US. As you've already pointed out, intercity travel is fast and comfortable in Europe using trains, but Americans are blissfully unaware of anything that occurs outside of the states.
In general, anytime code has to be generated by a machine, I'm skeptical. That stuff is going to be absolutely unmaintainable in 10 years. And the tools that generated that code will likely be long gone.
I agree that JS is being used for purposes for which it was never intended. For robust, maintainable applications, you need a strongly-typed language. It seems to me that Java Applets would have eventually filled this space perfectly (a strongly-typed language capable of interacting with the DOM). Unfortunately, Applets were introduced about 15 years too soon (and pretty much killed off by Microsoft), and thus suffered from perceptions of poor performance. And now that Java is owned by Oracle, that opportunity is gone forever.
Forget the bar. What about when you're falling asleep at 2am on the interstate, and you don't want to stop in a potentially dangerous rest area for a break?
I'm calling baloney on this. Statistically, paying more attention to kids when they're younger likely makes them more independent as they grow up. However, the natural range of behavior from kid to kid varies dramatically, even from sibling to sibling who got the same 'treatment' growing up. When I hear comments like this, it's usually from parents who have lucked out with particularly well behaved children.
I have two kids...one very well behaved and self sufficient, and one very clingy who wants to be held CONSTANTLY. Both got the same treatment from us the first 6 months of their lives. So if your kids happen to be self sufficient, it's a stretch to assume that your 'good parenting' had more to do with it than pure luck of the draw.
Also, if you're supposed to pay constant attention to your baby during the first 6 months, how are you supposed to get anything else done during those first 6 months? I don't know about you, but every once in a while, I have to use the bathroom.
This whole argument that "corporations are evil" and "corporations should pay their fair share" is based on the bizarre human tendency to anthropomorphize corporations (and groups of people in general). Saying corporations should pay their fair share of taxes is really no different from saying my wallet should pay it's fair share of taxes based on the money it has in it.
Corporations shouldn't be taxed, period. Money that comes OUT of that corporation through stock dividends and wages and bonuses and perks should be taxed. And that should all be taxed as plain old income, not special kinds of income like "capital gains" that has lower rates to compensate for corporate taxes already taken out.
I'm also highly in favor of targeted VATs. For example, the FDA should be entirely funded on a VAT levied on food and drugs. And if people want their food to be safer, then they have to agree to raise the food VAT to pay for it. And if people want to lower taxes by reducing the food VAT, then they have to deal with less safe food. And the FDA would be legally required to have a balanced budget (i.e. they would only get to spend whatever money they got through food and drug VATs). Same goes for all other government spending. For example, the military should be paid for with an X% 'military' income tax, and ONLY the revenue from that tax. If people want to increase military spending, then the only way to do so is to increase the military income tax. I strongly believe that taxes and spending were tightly coupled like this, most people wouldn't have a problem with taxes, and that it could be a path to balanced budgets in this country. But today, nobody wants to pay taxes because it all goes into a huge slush fund with no apparent accountability on how those funds are spent. Why would any sane person want to spend more on taxes in the current system?
This is the most coherent and insightful comment I have seen in a long time.