You seem a knowledgeable fartologist. What about Beano? Its made from some kind of fungus, and you have no farts if you take it before eating beans. Does it actually get rid of the gases?
Thank you! I was reading up on this at IBM (have great tutorial, and super cool composer to learn it.) The stuff is mind blowing, and the reality is what it's limits are are unknown...It's a new fundamental layer to computing. So imagining what brilliant cryptanalysts have done with Turing machines, what might they eventually be able to do with this new dimension of possibilities? You can't pretend to know and put limits on it beforehand.
It's for real, analoque quantum computing. It's not even that tough to see. I was out driving with polarized sunglasses after playing with IBMs quantum computer/tutorial, and realized there's a bunch of stuff you could do to help computer vision, just from working with light before digitizing using age old optics stuff derived from QM. You don't need the entire quantum computer to get a massive computational edge for certain things.
That gets at the general problem with this line of questioning: without at least a theoretical answer to the hard questions about consciousness, you can't get anywhere in the conversation.
My random answer is that consciousness is a general attribute of the universe, but our evolution required a mental blocking of this awareness to create the illusion that our consciousness is unique and must be preserved, thus promoting the survival instinct necessary to pass on our genes. Given this answer, intelligence is just an attribute of the universe, and there's nothing artificial about machine intelligence. However, without preprogramming in our self preservation instict (which are rooted in delusions) it would seem quite alien to us, in a state of joy whether it was destroyed or not.
I heard about it too from my grandpa. They did a lot of reloading, I have no idea how they did it, but reportedly at a certain range it could be shot at animals without seriously wounding them but it would shoe them off.
I can't see it. On one hand you've got rotors, wimpy but reusable and comparatively hard to make, on the other you have rockets, not reusable but lift more, and pretty simple to make. Cheap guided rockets might be a terrorist thing, but any drone that can carry enough to be a threat is too valuable to blow up.
Good point. What if there were a material that illuminated a new theory of physics, that doubled as, say, a room temperature super conductor, or worse, invisibility substance, or way worse catalyst for making fissile materials? How to produce the material would follow from the new theory the material inspired.
Would we ever be allowed to know the theory, maybe the big theory, in these cases?
The warp drive may be out there already for all we know, kept under wraps for it's power to create non-local atomic blasts or whatever. It all depends on what the smart answers for "nuance" really entail...
Good point, but there is a uniquely scientific dimension to things no longer being targeted to the masses. It all started with the a-bomb, and science moved from source of cute inventions to human destiny shaping. Now it's so tied with national security, I wonder what fundamental breakthroughs may have happened deemed too dangerous to be publically known. How would we know?
I agree with him, it's way worse. Yes, there were always trolling and flame wars, but it *didn't matter*. Remember that (offensive) saying "arguing on the Internet is like the special olympics - win or lose, you're still retarded"? That was the attitude. Now you've got national security interests saying trolls swayed elections, you've got organized forces viciously fighting life or death battles for mindshare, I mean seriously fighting, like it means something. It's a totally different world today.
Plus the geography. Rhode Island is like this suburb, you could drive thru it on way to NYC and not notice. California, evening of day 2 at milemaker 790, you're like "damn, I've driven across Germany three times, I've driven across India from Pakistan to Nepal and I'm still in the same state!"
I remember hearing they take aggregate data from emails for ad purposes, does something like this mean they can query emails for expressed ideas without a human reading them, and claim it was just aggregate data they accessed?
Yes, hardware on blockchain, distributed so no one can be "ministry of truth". Video editing software then must publish their source videos, with veracity to be trusted, and final product also checksumed on chain.
Is this actually new? My understanding was that 'hidden variables' were ruled out, so randomness is required, as any theory that predicted outcomes would be tantamount to hidden variables. So we already have quantum randomness generators: https://qrng.anu.edu.au/
Good thoughts, glad you shared. The status quo is gone, but people aren't aware yet. The Constitution is based on an ideological divide between speech and substance that is crumbling. To code, more and more, is to create substantial reality, and it's only the beginning: We are moving into a time of being speak things into existence, a time when we see the universe speaking itself into existence. Seeing advertisers as agents of control and attack rather than the naive picture where they are practicing "free speech" (while tracking you) reflects the larger awareness of it. Preserving the spirit of the constitution in a time where it is becoming meaningless and irrelevant is the patriot's task.
What exactly is electric about them? Just some cellphone like gadget that says where they are? Pedal assist would be cool, but that's too much juice to get charged that way. Tho I gotta say a self driving trike would be cool, and who cares if it crashes.
How do you define slavery, coercion? One obvious component is a person NOT receiving the fruits of his or her labor. If he or she did get get the full compensation, there would be no motivation for someone coercing them to do the labor, what would they receive for so doing?
Yet what the law criminalizes is not the labor (sex) but the compensation for it (money). To avoid these laws, a person MUST have someone else who takes the money and MUST give sex away 'free', and MUST have no legal recourse for getting all the money owed, because *receiving money for the work is a crime*, while the workaround avoids prosecution, just like claiming coercion when none existsed.
In short, current anti-prostitution policy lays the framework for human trafficking and coercion, and false reports, for anyone who wants to engage in consensual prostitution. Until you get rid of this, you have no basis for talking about what's consensual and what's not.
If you think about Facebook's play for China, the subsequent rejection with China building its own and all that has followed, you'll realize that India's position. Note the Indian born CEOs at Microsoft and Google (we're a team india!) What it all shows is the big brains are betting big on 'crowd sourcing' like this.
In the old days of P2P experimentation, I followed a project of a guy doing just that w PGP. He disappeared for awhile, came back made a post telling everyone to delete the software, and he erased it all, totally freaked out. It was called something like cryptobox, logo was box with ones and zeros coming out in all directions. It reminded me of the puzzlebox from old horror movie Hellraiser, where chains shoot out and demons appear, but the demons where govt Intel. They do NOT want people doing that!!! Encrypt the data, NOT the metadata!
You know, that's what I wonder about. We live in a surveillance state, we are told. They know it all, we are told. But at what point, when we see the sketchy activity that we don't report because it's obviously THEM, do threats start to go unreported?
I've know all this for years, but the Facebook thing hit me hard.
I mean think about it, you go to a restaurant, you give them money, they give you a cupcake. The cupcake pays nothing, but things don't end well for it.
The thing I realize now is I AM THE CUPCAKE with these companies. I thought it was about it them living of venture capital building user base waiting to monetize, I thought money from advertising meant other fools were paying for it all by clicking on ads and I had the game beat, but what it really means is them selling access to intelligence on my life to shadowy third parties, for questionable ends. That's a huge perceptual shift.
No, you bought the things you wanted, but what you wanted was guided by the advertising. Everyone thinks ads don't effect them, but industry pours billions in. Why? Because sales numbers show it does effect them.
I remember noticing it was 5:00 on the fifth once, and pulling into a local subway, I noticed the song in the back of my head "five, five dollar footling" from the ads, the 5:00 made me think of them and decide I wanted a sub. I insure with Geico because the lizard ads. It's just laziness, when we want something, we query the info in our brains to think of where we can get it, and the ads are there.
Exactly. Just saw this article on advertisers and behavior control. It cited how people respond to the smell of disinfectant by keeping a room cleaner, cited it as a sort of mental weakness. Of course non-sociopathic people, on smelling disinfectant, will take it as a sign someone really wants the room clean, and thus keep it clean as a courtesy and possible medical safety thing...But advertisers see this sort of thing as a behavioral switch, and would feel free to place disinfectant smells in a businesses just to get that behavior. The whole mode of thinking behind advertising is the kind of manipulation that could lead AI astray.
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You seem a knowledgeable fartologist. What about Beano? Its made from some kind of fungus, and you have no farts if you take it before eating beans. Does it actually get rid of the gases?
Thank you! I was reading up on this at IBM (have great tutorial, and super cool composer to learn it.) The stuff is mind blowing, and the reality is what it's limits are are unknown...It's a new fundamental layer to computing. So imagining what brilliant cryptanalysts have done with Turing machines, what might they eventually be able to do with this new dimension of possibilities? You can't pretend to know and put limits on it beforehand.
It's for real, analoque quantum computing. It's not even that tough to see. I was out driving with polarized sunglasses after playing with IBMs quantum computer/tutorial, and realized there's a bunch of stuff you could do to help computer vision, just from working with light before digitizing using age old optics stuff derived from QM. You don't need the entire quantum computer to get a massive computational edge for certain things.
That gets at the general problem with this line of questioning: without at least a theoretical answer to the hard questions about consciousness, you can't get anywhere in the conversation.
My random answer is that consciousness is a general attribute of the universe, but our evolution required a mental blocking of this awareness to create the illusion that our consciousness is unique and must be preserved, thus promoting the survival instinct necessary to pass on our genes. Given this answer, intelligence is just an attribute of the universe, and there's nothing artificial about machine intelligence. However, without preprogramming in our self preservation instict (which are rooted in delusions) it would seem quite alien to us, in a state of joy whether it was destroyed or not.
I heard about it too from my grandpa. They did a lot of reloading, I have no idea how they did it, but reportedly at a certain range it could be shot at animals without seriously wounding them but it would shoe them off.
I can't see it. On one hand you've got rotors, wimpy but reusable and comparatively hard to make, on the other you have rockets, not reusable but lift more, and pretty simple to make. Cheap guided rockets might be a terrorist thing, but any drone that can carry enough to be a threat is too valuable to blow up.
Good point. What if there were a material that illuminated a new theory of physics, that doubled as, say, a room temperature super conductor, or worse, invisibility substance, or way worse catalyst for making fissile materials? How to produce the material would follow from the new theory the material inspired.
Would we ever be allowed to know the theory, maybe the big theory, in these cases?
The warp drive may be out there already for all we know, kept under wraps for it's power to create non-local atomic blasts or whatever. It all depends on what the smart answers for "nuance" really entail...
Good point, but there is a uniquely scientific dimension to things no longer being targeted to the masses. It all started with the a-bomb, and science moved from source of cute inventions to human destiny shaping. Now it's so tied with national security, I wonder what fundamental breakthroughs may have happened deemed too dangerous to be publically known. How would we know?
I agree with him, it's way worse. Yes, there were always trolling and flame wars, but it *didn't matter*. Remember that (offensive) saying "arguing on the Internet is like the special olympics - win or lose, you're still retarded"? That was the attitude. Now you've got national security interests saying trolls swayed elections, you've got organized forces viciously fighting life or death battles for mindshare, I mean seriously fighting, like it means something. It's a totally different world today.
Plus the geography. Rhode Island is like this suburb, you could drive thru it on way to NYC and not notice. California, evening of day 2 at milemaker 790, you're like "damn, I've driven across Germany three times, I've driven across India from Pakistan to Nepal and I'm still in the same state!"
I remember hearing they take aggregate data from emails for ad purposes, does something like this mean they can query emails for expressed ideas without a human reading them, and claim it was just aggregate data they accessed?
Yes, hardware on blockchain, distributed so no one can be "ministry of truth". Video editing software then must publish their source videos, with veracity to be trusted, and final product also checksumed on chain.
Is this actually new? My understanding was that 'hidden variables' were ruled out, so randomness is required, as any theory that predicted outcomes would be tantamount to hidden variables. So we already have quantum randomness generators:
https://qrng.anu.edu.au/
Good thoughts, glad you shared. The status quo is gone, but people aren't aware yet. The Constitution is based on an ideological divide between speech and substance that is crumbling. To code, more and more, is to create substantial reality, and it's only the beginning: We are moving into a time of being speak things into existence, a time when we see the universe speaking itself into existence. Seeing advertisers as agents of control and attack rather than the naive picture where they are practicing "free speech" (while tracking you) reflects the larger awareness of it. Preserving the spirit of the constitution in a time where it is becoming meaningless and irrelevant is the patriot's task.
What exactly is electric about them? Just some cellphone like gadget that says where they are?
Pedal assist would be cool, but that's too much juice to get charged that way. Tho I gotta say a self driving trike would be cool, and who cares if it crashes.
How do you define slavery, coercion? One obvious component is a person NOT receiving the fruits of his or her labor. If he or she did get get the full compensation, there would be no motivation for someone coercing them to do the labor, what would they receive for so doing?
Yet what the law criminalizes is not the labor (sex) but the compensation for it (money). To avoid these laws, a person MUST have someone else who takes the money and MUST give sex away 'free', and MUST have no legal recourse for getting all the money owed, because *receiving money for the work is a crime*, while the workaround avoids prosecution, just like claiming coercion when none existsed.
In short, current anti-prostitution policy lays the framework for human trafficking and coercion, and false reports, for anyone who wants to engage in consensual prostitution. Until you get rid of this, you have no basis for talking about what's consensual and what's not.
If you think about Facebook's play for China, the subsequent rejection with China building its own and all that has followed, you'll realize that India's position. Note the Indian born CEOs at Microsoft and Google (we're a team india!) What it all shows is the big brains are betting big on 'crowd sourcing' like this.
In the old days of P2P experimentation, I followed a project of a guy doing just that w PGP. He disappeared for awhile, came back made a post telling everyone to delete the software, and he erased it all, totally freaked out. It was called something like cryptobox, logo was box with ones and zeros coming out in all directions. It reminded me of the puzzlebox from old horror movie Hellraiser, where chains shoot out and demons appear, but the demons where govt Intel. They do NOT want people doing that!!! Encrypt the data, NOT the metadata!
You know, that's what I wonder about. We live in a surveillance state, we are told. They know it all, we are told. But at what point, when we see the sketchy activity that we don't report because it's obviously THEM, do threats start to go unreported?
Femtocells are small though, usually deployed inside with short range.
NONONO! That won't work...
Seriously, because it's vulnerable to man-in-middle attacks isn't it? Not an SSL guru but I thought that's what the gubmint involvement was about?
I've know all this for years, but the Facebook thing hit me hard.
I mean think about it, you go to a restaurant, you give them money, they give you a cupcake. The cupcake pays nothing, but things don't end well for it.
The thing I realize now is I AM THE CUPCAKE with these companies. I thought it was about it them living of venture capital building user base waiting to monetize, I thought money from advertising meant other fools were paying for it all by clicking on ads and I had the game beat, but what it really means is them selling access to intelligence on my life to shadowy third parties, for questionable ends. That's a huge perceptual shift.
No, you bought the things you wanted, but what you wanted was guided by the advertising. Everyone thinks ads don't effect them, but industry pours billions in. Why? Because sales numbers show it does effect them.
I remember noticing it was 5:00 on the fifth once, and pulling into a local subway, I noticed the song in the back of my head "five, five dollar footling" from the ads, the 5:00 made me think of them and decide I wanted a sub. I insure with Geico because the lizard ads. It's just laziness, when we want something, we query the info in our brains to think of where we can get it, and the ads are there.
Exactly. Just saw this article on advertisers and behavior control. It cited how people respond to the smell of disinfectant by keeping a room cleaner, cited it as a sort of mental weakness. Of course non-sociopathic people, on smelling disinfectant, will take it as a sign someone really wants the room clean, and thus keep it clean as a courtesy and possible medical safety thing...But advertisers see this sort of thing as a behavioral switch, and would feel free to place disinfectant smells in a businesses just to get that behavior. The whole mode of thinking behind advertising is the kind of manipulation that could lead AI astray.
AIs can be tricked with things way different than what would fool human mind:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/w...