Studies show that adding pay to a task decreases the internal perceived motivation for that same task. Actors conclud, subconsciously, that money is why they did it. Hence they are less likely in the future to do it unless they are paid again. Perilous to do this with the pursuit of knowledge.
Perilous for the pursuit of knowledge... but somehow safe for the rest of the whole society? You know, all the work that is essential to the survival of our society, like growing food, getting oil from the ground, generating electricity, health care (lives are at staking!), military (soldiers are paid too!), etc.
Heck, the whole concept of copyright and patents are based on, gasp!, money can motivate acts of creativity and invention! Quick, someone go tell the Congress to revoke all the IP laws! It is perilous for the pursuit of knowledge!
It is amazing that when it comes to children and education, somehow, everything that works fine with adults cannot apply.
The fallacy lies in the fact that results are present at all levels of abstraction. Doing an effort is already a result, at least for sentient beings, who modify their own personality and virtues just by the mere "trying". The result of failure or success is another step in the results chain, which again modifies the personality of the person. This is why someone before said that this method could be dangerous: you have to evaluate the obvious effects but most importantly the effects on the personality after two decades of application of such methodology.
Unfortunately, the personality change from mere "trying" is exactly what we don't want in our kids.
I have seen enough adults for whom just "trying" is an end in itself, never mind if you actually achieve any desirable results. Has it even occurred to them that sometimes, you could do worse than not doing? I have seen lots of poor programmers who keep "trying" to write programs they do not have the knowledge nor skill to write. Had they, instead, learned that "results" are more important than "trying", they would have seeked help at the start, instead of wasting all the time (and money) to write a mess that other people have to clean up later.
As for being dangerous, I don't see they have been evaluating the "effects on personality" on the other approaches they have shoved down our kids for the past half century or so, why should it starts now with this approach? The only reason I can think of is that some people (especially those working in "education") has a preset notation that money is evil, so obviously if you give evil things to kids, it will only lead to evil results. This is the same brain-dead "sex education will lead to more teen sex" thinking, based on the preset notion that sex is dirty and not talking about it is the best approach.
Yeah, "effects on personality", why don't you call for a study the "effects on personality" of 50 years on getting money to work before letting adults into the workforce. Damn, in any industrialized country, their senior populations' personality must all be distorted beyond any help, after a whole life of getting money for doing work. To save our personality, we must all start work for no money!
What are you talking about? On my iPhone (not jailbroken) I can listen to music while reading a web page or navigating with TomTom just fine. Not sure what you mean by "updating gps" though, and I don't use skype so can't comment on those.
Seems like you are seriously misinformed about the capability of the iPhone, it multitasks just fine for things that many users actually uses. I am well aware of its limitations (eg sucky Bluetooth support) but those are things I can live with.
Unfortunately, it also takes a good programmer (in nowadays standard) to NOT make a hopeless mess in C.
The biggest advantage of Java is even the average programmer can write something useful, and usually not so bad that a good programmer cannot fix later, if needed, without a complete rewrite.
For bad programmers, they can make a hopeless mess out of anything, so it doesn't matter what language they use.
Isn't that exactly the point? Every year on 1 April, the whole/. is completely filled with wanna be jokes "news" that there is no hope of getting anything useful at all.
Just FYI, the rest of the world didn't stop for one day every April, some of us still proceed normally with life and still wants to check for some real news today.
I don't care. I know the deal with Google. Everyone knows the deal with Google - they mine your data so they can target ads, you get useful software.
You know the deal now, but do you know the deal 5 years from now? 10 years? 20 years? How about in the unlikely event that Google went bankrupt and the new owner decide to sell all the data collected?
The issue with data privacy is the same with the government or with a private company, the only way to keep you data save is not to let them have it. Once they got your data, you lose control over it.
Care to explain why those clusters have to get the latest updates? So the development team can play after office hours?
The only impact would be replacing the hardware, but then the latest slim version already did not support other OSes, so if that is a problem, shouldn't it have been happening already?
I've never understood this rationale. How is theft in the Ukraine any different from theft anywhere else? I'm sure many people make an honest living there, just like every other country. You can't put a "cultural" spin on fraud or theft.
I don't know about you, but to me, the "context" (not culture) of a theft sometimes makes a difference.
E.g. stealing $10 when your family are starving is and entirely different thing than stealing $10 million when you are filthy rich.
I find this absolutely hilarious coming from Brin, pretending Google is some sort of moral authority now that they've pulled out of China due to the recent incident, having sold out to the Chinese government for many years previously providing services customized according to the state to oppress its citizens and restrict their access to news and information!
No need to take him seriously, he is just doing what any manager would do -- capitalize the most PR value out of his company's actions and taking credit for it.
Just look at any company that has done anything that got into the news, their managers will come out and saying anything to generate goodwill for that action, and also gain themselves credit in one swoop.
Ok, so per your argument, Apple hasn't "created wealth" with the iPhone, they've really just created an "iPhone scarcity"? Someone had better tell Steve Jobs and Apple shareholders this...
Yes, much as I like the iPhone, that is exactly what Apple did. By using trademarks, patents and copyright laws, Apple DID created an artificial scarcity of iPhones (ie, no other company can build and sell iPhones to you!), and they have profitted greatly from that.
But if that company is willing to walk away from China, instead of compromising
Let's wait until they actually do walk away from China before making grandiose claims about them walking away from China, k?
I suspect this is exactly the effect Google intended to have, and if true, their PR dept is awesome.
So, they just made some noise about walking away from China, keep talking about it but actually did nothing, yet they collected tons of goodwill in the US already. In the end, even if they "reached some agreement" and stayed, they will be remembered as the company that is "willing to walk away from China" even though they never really did anything!
And you know that some DRM are worse than virus and trojans? E.g. SecuROM, Sony rootkit, etc...
Yeah, I don't want viruses or trojans either, so I don't buy any PC games with any DRM (nor will I buy any Sony music CD either). If I really want to play it, I buy the PS3 version instead.
You have a very narrow definition of "interaction".
I am replying to your post, is this not "interaction"?
If I write a letter to my friend, is that not "interaction"? If I write a email to my friend, is that not "interaction"? If I chat on the phone with my friend, is that not "interaction"? If I chat on ICQ with my friend, is that not "interaction"? If I text with my friend and his replied similarly, is that not "interaction"? If I comment on the FB status of my friend, and later he replied to my comment, is that not "interaction"?
Or does "interaction" only happens when one kids punches another in his face? Spare me that kind "interaction", thank you.
I worked with imaging systems a decade ago, and solutions at that time already have no problem auto-rotating scanned images.
Don't want to post an ad here for big-name-scanner-company, but maybe you need to look for more competent vendors (or possibly more expensive solution) if yours cannot do auto-rotate.
I worked on imaging systems a DECADE ago, and the hardware/software combo at that time already had no problem handling images scanned upside down, sideways, on both sides, etc.
Applying a little "techinal thinking" you will realize that it would be trivial for the OCR software to try rotating the document if it has problems recognizing the characters. Hardware help is only needed in case of scanning both sides.
The auto-workers can do the same thing. They can just "find another job", and it's so easy anyone can do it!
Yes, IT IS THAT EASY.
Why "auto-workers" can't do the same thing? Because they restricted themselves as "auto-workers". You first limit your own choice of jobs and then complain there is no job for you? Is that even reasonable?
You (not you personally, just a manner of speaking) can't take a pay cut to switch fields because you got bills to pay? That's your problem, it is you who decided to live a lifestyle that used up all your monthly income leaving you with no savings and, eventually, stuck with your current job.
If you had, instead, got into the habit of saving at least 35% of your income, then after one year, not only would you have savings enough to last 6 months (longer if you further cut back expenses), you can also switch to a job with 35% pay-cut and have zero impact on your lifestyle.
Not just the game industry. I'm betting everybody who's reading this who has a job is working longer hours under worsening conditions.
Not me. Why? Because I know where to set my limits, and I communicate very explicitly about it during job interviews. Abusive managers won't hire me (good for both of us!), and if my current boss no longer respect that limit, I start looking for another job.
It is that simple, no union required.
Look guys, a company is not a family, it exists only to make money, not to babysit its employees. If you won't take care of yourself, don't expect other people in your company to take care of you.
I've long thought that consoles could be much better (from a user standpoint) if they were more open.
No way.
I played online games since modem days (PC-to-PC), to multiplayer BBS games, to the first Warcraft (remember Kali?), Starcraft, WC3, and most recently on PS3. On all these platforms, only the online games on PS3 allow me to play with random opponents, yet still have the level of enjoyment I got when playing with my friends. That is possible mainly because the PS3 is so lock down!
I.e., with the console locked tight, I can be reasonably certain no one is cheating. This is a big problem on PC games, from auto-aim hack in FPS games, to map hacks in RTS games. It is incredibly frustration to playing against one cheater after another.
Go play on the PC if you want open gaming platform. I want a platform that I can be reasonable sure everyone is on the same footing.
The only way to get out from under that debt in the USA is to figure out what they can sell to the Chinese to bring back all the $$$ that USA has paid for goods and services.
There are lots of things the Chinese would want to buy from the USA, e.g. high tech stuff. The problem is, the US govt refuse to let Chinese buy them (national security, etc) through export restrictions.
Unfortunately for the US, they are no longer *the* leader in science and technology, and the Chinese can just buy the same stuff from Europe or Russia.
We should all learn to be some kind of martial artist, so we have a nation of ninja warriors
This is so funny that I hope you are joking here. The USofA has trouble keeping most of it's citizen from getting obese due to lack of physical activity, and here you think it is possible to get the whole nation to take effort to go through the training to be ninja worriors?
"Today, news media like New York Times, Fox News, CNN have become the news gatekeepers, and the crucial role they play in dictating what news is prominently visible to the people means they are now an essential component of the society. The F.C.C. needs to look beyond freedom of the press (freedom to publish your own newspaper) and include news neutrality: the principle that news media should have no editorial policies other than that their results be comprehensive, impartial and based solely on relevance."
I don't think it will happen in my lifetime though.
People have grown accustomed to this... this leash.
No, you have grown accustomed to this leash. I have accustomed to ignore calls / IMs when I am busy.
The point of using text instead of a call is that it could be replied at your own convenience. If you think you got to reply to a text message because it is instant, that is your own problem.
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Studies show that adding pay to a task decreases the internal perceived motivation for that same task. Actors conclud, subconsciously, that money is why they did it. Hence they are less likely in the future to do it unless they are paid again. Perilous to do this with the pursuit of knowledge.
Perilous for the pursuit of knowledge... but somehow safe for the rest of the whole society? You know, all the work that is essential to the survival of our society, like growing food, getting oil from the ground, generating electricity, health care (lives are at staking!), military (soldiers are paid too!), etc.
Heck, the whole concept of copyright and patents are based on, gasp!, money can motivate acts of creativity and invention! Quick, someone go tell the Congress to revoke all the IP laws! It is perilous for the pursuit of knowledge!
It is amazing that when it comes to children and education, somehow, everything that works fine with adults cannot apply.
The fallacy lies in the fact that results are present at all levels of abstraction. Doing an effort is already a result, at least for sentient beings, who modify their own personality and virtues just by the mere "trying". The result of failure or success is another step in the results chain, which again modifies the personality of the person. This is why someone before said that this method could be dangerous: you have to evaluate the obvious effects but most importantly the effects on the personality after two decades of application of such methodology.
Unfortunately, the personality change from mere "trying" is exactly what we don't want in our kids.
I have seen enough adults for whom just "trying" is an end in itself, never mind if you actually achieve any desirable results. Has it even occurred to them that sometimes, you could do worse than not doing? I have seen lots of poor programmers who keep "trying" to write programs they do not have the knowledge nor skill to write. Had they, instead, learned that "results" are more important than "trying", they would have seeked help at the start, instead of wasting all the time (and money) to write a mess that other people have to clean up later.
As for being dangerous, I don't see they have been evaluating the "effects on personality" on the other approaches they have shoved down our kids for the past half century or so, why should it starts now with this approach? The only reason I can think of is that some people (especially those working in "education") has a preset notation that money is evil, so obviously if you give evil things to kids, it will only lead to evil results. This is the same brain-dead "sex education will lead to more teen sex" thinking, based on the preset notion that sex is dirty and not talking about it is the best approach.
Yeah, "effects on personality", why don't you call for a study the "effects on personality" of 50 years on getting money to work before letting adults into the workforce. Damn, in any industrialized country, their senior populations' personality must all be distorted beyond any help, after a whole life of getting money for doing work. To save our personality, we must all start work for no money!
What are you talking about? On my iPhone (not jailbroken) I can listen to music while reading a web page or navigating with TomTom just fine. Not sure what you mean by "updating gps" though, and I don't use skype so can't comment on those.
Seems like you are seriously misinformed about the capability of the iPhone, it multitasks just fine for things that many users actually uses. I am well aware of its limitations (eg sucky Bluetooth support) but those are things I can live with.
Unfortunately, it also takes a good programmer (in nowadays standard) to NOT make a hopeless mess in C.
The biggest advantage of Java is even the average programmer can write something useful, and usually not so bad that a good programmer cannot fix later, if needed, without a complete rewrite.
For bad programmers, they can make a hopeless mess out of anything, so it doesn't matter what language they use.
Isn't that exactly the point? Every year on 1 April, the whole /. is completely filled with wanna be jokes "news" that there is no hope of getting anything useful at all.
Just FYI, the rest of the world didn't stop for one day every April, some of us still proceed normally with life and still wants to check for some real news today.
I don't care. I know the deal with Google. Everyone knows the deal with Google - they mine your data so they can target ads, you get useful software.
You know the deal now, but do you know the deal 5 years from now? 10 years? 20 years? How about in the unlikely event that Google went bankrupt and the new owner decide to sell all the data collected?
The issue with data privacy is the same with the government or with a private company, the only way to keep you data save is not to let them have it. Once they got your data, you lose control over it.
Care to explain why those clusters have to get the latest updates? So the development team can play after office hours?
The only impact would be replacing the hardware, but then the latest slim version already did not support other OSes, so if that is a problem, shouldn't it have been happening already?
I've never understood this rationale. How is theft in the Ukraine any different from theft anywhere else? I'm sure many people make an honest living there, just like every other country. You can't put a "cultural" spin on fraud or theft.
I don't know about you, but to me, the "context" (not culture) of a theft sometimes makes a difference.
E.g. stealing $10 when your family are starving is and entirely different thing than stealing $10 million when you are filthy rich.
Think about that.
I find this absolutely hilarious coming from Brin, pretending Google is some sort of moral authority now that they've pulled out of China due to the recent incident, having sold out to the Chinese government for many years previously providing services customized according to the state to oppress its citizens and restrict their access to news and information!
No need to take him seriously, he is just doing what any manager would do -- capitalize the most PR value out of his company's actions and taking credit for it.
Just look at any company that has done anything that got into the news, their managers will come out and saying anything to generate goodwill for that action, and also gain themselves credit in one swoop.
Ok, so per your argument, Apple hasn't "created wealth" with the iPhone, they've really just created an "iPhone scarcity"? Someone had better tell Steve Jobs and Apple shareholders this...
Yes, much as I like the iPhone, that is exactly what Apple did. By using trademarks, patents and copyright laws, Apple DID created an artificial scarcity of iPhones (ie, no other company can build and sell iPhones to you!), and they have profitted greatly from that.
But if that company is willing to walk away from China, instead of compromising
Let's wait until they actually do walk away from China before making grandiose claims about them walking away from China, k?
I suspect this is exactly the effect Google intended to have, and if true, their PR dept is awesome.
So, they just made some noise about walking away from China, keep talking about it but actually did nothing, yet they collected tons of goodwill in the US already. In the end, even if they "reached some agreement" and stayed, they will be remembered as the company that is "willing to walk away from China" even though they never really did anything!
And how many of those countries had a minimum employment age of at least 16 in order to avoid being accused of employing child labour by the West?
And you know that some DRM are worse than virus and trojans? E.g. SecuROM, Sony rootkit, etc...
Yeah, I don't want viruses or trojans either, so I don't buy any PC games with any DRM (nor will I buy any Sony music CD either). If I really want to play it, I buy the PS3 version instead.
Yeah, 640K got to be enough for everybody!
You have a very narrow definition of "interaction".
I am replying to your post, is this not "interaction"?
If I write a letter to my friend, is that not "interaction"?
If I write a email to my friend, is that not "interaction"?
If I chat on the phone with my friend, is that not "interaction"?
If I chat on ICQ with my friend, is that not "interaction"?
If I text with my friend and his replied similarly, is that not "interaction"?
If I comment on the FB status of my friend, and later he replied to my comment, is that not "interaction"?
Or does "interaction" only happens when one kids punches another in his face? Spare me that kind "interaction", thank you.
I worked with imaging systems a decade ago, and solutions at that time already have no problem auto-rotating scanned images.
Don't want to post an ad here for big-name-scanner-company, but maybe you need to look for more competent vendors (or possibly more expensive solution) if yours cannot do auto-rotate.
I worked on imaging systems a DECADE ago, and the hardware/software combo at that time already had no problem handling images scanned upside down, sideways, on both sides, etc.
Applying a little "techinal thinking" you will realize that it would be trivial for the OCR software to try rotating the document if it has problems recognizing the characters. Hardware help is only needed in case of scanning both sides.
You find another job? You make it sound so easy!
The auto-workers can do the same thing. They can just "find another job", and it's so easy anyone can do it!
Yes, IT IS THAT EASY.
Why "auto-workers" can't do the same thing? Because they restricted themselves as "auto-workers". You first limit your own choice of jobs and then complain there is no job for you? Is that even reasonable?
You (not you personally, just a manner of speaking) can't take a pay cut to switch fields because you got bills to pay? That's your problem, it is you who decided to live a lifestyle that used up all your monthly income leaving you with no savings and, eventually, stuck with your current job.
If you had, instead, got into the habit of saving at least 35% of your income, then after one year, not only would you have savings enough to last 6 months (longer if you further cut back expenses), you can also switch to a job with 35% pay-cut and have zero impact on your lifestyle.
Not just the game industry. I'm betting everybody who's reading this who has a job is working longer hours under worsening conditions.
Not me. Why? Because I know where to set my limits, and I communicate very explicitly about it during job interviews. Abusive managers won't hire me (good for both of us!), and if my current boss no longer respect that limit, I start looking for another job.
It is that simple, no union required.
Look guys, a company is not a family, it exists only to make money, not to babysit its employees. If you won't take care of yourself, don't expect other people in your company to take care of you.
Amazing! All small letters "password" is not in the top 20?!
I've long thought that consoles could be much better (from a user standpoint) if they were more open.
No way.
I played online games since modem days (PC-to-PC), to multiplayer BBS games, to the first Warcraft (remember Kali?), Starcraft, WC3, and most recently on PS3. On all these platforms, only the online games on PS3 allow me to play with random opponents, yet still have the level of enjoyment I got when playing with my friends. That is possible mainly because the PS3 is so lock down!
I.e., with the console locked tight, I can be reasonably certain no one is cheating. This is a big problem on PC games, from auto-aim hack in FPS games, to map hacks in RTS games. It is incredibly frustration to playing against one cheater after another.
Go play on the PC if you want open gaming platform. I want a platform that I can be reasonable sure everyone is on the same footing.
The only way to get out from under that debt in the USA is to figure out what they can sell to the Chinese to bring back all the $$$ that USA has paid for goods and services.
There are lots of things the Chinese would want to buy from the USA, e.g. high tech stuff. The problem is, the US govt refuse to let Chinese buy them (national security, etc) through export restrictions.
Unfortunately for the US, they are no longer *the* leader in science and technology, and the Chinese can just buy the same stuff from Europe or Russia.
We should all learn to be some kind of martial artist, so we have a nation of ninja warriors
This is so funny that I hope you are joking here. The USofA has trouble keeping most of it's citizen from getting obese due to lack of physical activity, and here you think it is possible to get the whole nation to take effort to go through the training to be ninja worriors?
"Today, news media like New York Times, Fox News, CNN have become the news gatekeepers, and the crucial role they play in dictating what news is prominently visible to the people means they are now an essential component of the society. The F.C.C. needs to look beyond freedom of the press (freedom to publish your own newspaper) and include news neutrality: the principle that news media should have no editorial policies other than that their results be comprehensive, impartial and based solely on relevance."
I don't think it will happen in my lifetime though.
People have grown accustomed to this... this leash.
No, you have grown accustomed to this leash. I have accustomed to ignore calls / IMs when I am busy.
The point of using text instead of a call is that it could be replied at your own convenience. If you think you got to reply to a text message because it is instant, that is your own problem.