Terms like "vintage" and "antique" have actual meanings, being "greater than 50 years old" and "greater than 100 years old" respectively. Not even the original iPhone is approaching "vintage" yet.
Go suck a lemon, Apple.
"Antique" cars are generally considered anything beyond 25 years old; so you are an idiot.
For the vast majority of parts in a smartphone that is totally impractical, that's why nobody does it.
Except for the parts people do repair/replace in smartphones (the battery and screen) which at least the latter Apple has repeatedly demonstrated a desire to block 3rd party repair. But the fact is that this behavior also extends to Apple laptops and desktops where they try, as much as possible, to integrate as many components into one board and then require authorized dealers to ship whole components (so CPU, RAM, and storage if there's a motherboard problem) first before getting replacement to remove the risk of any possible repaired components circulating outside their control.
So, when "vintage" time comes, there aren't a lot of after market stuff except from salvaged systems or 3rd party components. That's, of course, Apple's right. It's just obviously sucky behavior to control and corner the market as much as possible on stuff that, until this announcement, they absolutely refused to do anything about except sell you a newer model. Can you imagine if most other PC repair shops were under all the constraints I mentioned? Is it any wonder that Apple is the biggest target of 3rd party "knock-off" components, given there's basically no "official" new components in the wild?
For example, have you ever seen the Motherboard for the MacBook Air? Without oodles and gobs of custom silicon, that product would NEVER have existed!
If Apple wanted to not suck, they'd not have the ability to repair "vintage"* devices hinging entirely on if they still have old stock of components and make them available to their authorized repair shops. They'd just give out the specs on the device so that anyone could repair, clone, etc defective parts.
You REALLY don't understand the level of technology going on in a modern Smartphone or Tablet, do you?
Well, I was going to say that I would be waiting for/.'ere to explain to me why this is yet more evidence that Apple sucks but I see that AC has already started it.
If Tim Cook personally promised each and every Apple user sexual favors from their favorite movie star (upon request, of course) somebody here on/. would figure out how that was bad, that Apple sucks, that Steve Jobs would've done it better, and Samsung did it first.
And the parts aren't available because instead of reconditioning and disassembling old devices to get serviceable parts out of them, we grind them into a powder.
At least they aren't letting them just fill-up the Landfills, like Samsung, LG, HTC, Hawei, etc, etc, et FUCKING CETERA...
Yup. See! We offer repair services now! Oh, but the parts are unavailable, sorry.
Actually, the reason they decided to "Un-Vintage" select products was because they apparently found they had enough parts-inventory to make it practical to offer (non-warranty) repair.
How about letting people repair their own devices with your parts as well. They should have this right, and it should be written into law if you're not going to offer it freely. Same for other manufacturers.
Sure. Go right ahead. Apple could care less, seriously.
Might have a little trouble finding that Ax SoC at Fry's, though...
Same here, but it is very slow, limited, and many non-Apple apps don't run these days especially when developers removed their older versions from App Store. Local iTunes doesn't even back them up since iOS v9!:(
That's very annoying. I develop some weather & astronomy apps and I go out of my way to support devices as far back as possible, even keeping them updated with new features. I had managed to keep iOS 6 compatibility until this June, and now I am still releasing iOS 7 compatible updates, until Apple makes that impossible as well.
Same here, but it is very slow, limited, and many non-Apple apps don't run these days especially when developers removed their older versions from App Store. Local iTunes doesn't even back them up since iOS v9!:(
I bet the iTunes running on my G5 Tower will still back them up!;-)
Yeah welcome to the world where something is always toxic to something. We're getting better, but I doubt we'll ever come up with a substance that doesn't have some issue with something. Best case is to limit environmental contamination when you do have to use it.
It is called "a joke". Look it up when you get the chance.
The only people who don't get jokes are the ones that take them serious. So I have to wonder... you really think that's true?
Sorry. I just KNEW that someone would say that. I should have known you weren't serious, since you actually DIDN'T post as an AC...
I really DO have a sense of Humor; but the AC Apple-Haters and their CONSTANT LYING (with NO WAY to "harm" them back!) gets to me after awhile (which I guess is their goal; so...?)
It's a pseudonym that allows the person using it to post anonymously. It goes a bit farther in that it allows the account holder to devise whatever kind of anonymous persona they wish to portray.
But in the case of a REAL USERNAME, like "TheFakeTimCook", it suffers the slings and arrows of OUTRAGEOUS Punish-Downmodding, which is something that your Typical SLASHTARD ANONYMOUS COWARD is too COWARDLY to Risk.
So, FUCK OFF. ALL ACs. Just FUCK. OFF!
Slashdot needs to END this RIDICULOUS PRACTICE NOW!!!
I was never actually *mad* about it, to be honest... I felt just mostly disillusioned, to be perfectly frank. This happened to me within the last couple of months before my Applecare was actually about to expire, and I wanted to get one final thing addressed with the wifi adapter that had been bugging me already for some weeks prior, originally anticipating I might be able to get the work done for free when was told I would have to pay.
Understood. Kind of like the broken keycaps on my 2012 MBP (my fault. Dropped something heavy I was holding onto my keyboard, cracking a couple of keytops. Keyboard still works fine, but if I ever want to sell that laptop...). It is about to go on "Vintage" status (which means Apple would normally refuse to repair it. But they have given it a temporary reprieve, it seems).
But I still would have been pretty upset if I were you...
I hope, however, that this has restored some faith back; since it was OBVIOUSLY some bastard (that I hope eventually got fired!!!) that just wanted to "deny" you, rather than a heartless, greedy Corporate Policy...
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These are the two cellphone construction techniques that make generate e-waste.
Good thing Apple has a Plan for that:
https://www.theverge.com/2018/... ...and Witness the Result:
https://appleinsider.com/artic...
So, tell me: What are the OTHER Computer/Cellphone OEMs doing in this regard?
Terms like "vintage" and "antique" have actual meanings, being "greater than 50 years old" and "greater than 100 years old" respectively. Not even the original iPhone is approaching "vintage" yet.
Go suck a lemon, Apple.
"Antique" cars are generally considered anything beyond 25 years old; so you are an idiot.
Maybe I can get this old Apple I fixed and unload it at a garage sale or something.
If you REALLY have an Apple 1 (like I do), you would be REALLY stupid to sell it at a Garage Sale.
They generally go for about $400,000 these days. One even sold for $950k.
So, PLEASE let me buy yours at Garage Sale Prices. I won't even make you fix it first!
Apple sue people for repairing their products
Citation?
Except for the parts people do repair/replace in smartphones (the battery and screen) which at least the latter Apple has repeatedly demonstrated a desire to block 3rd party repair. But the fact is that this behavior also extends to Apple laptops and desktops where they try, as much as possible, to integrate as many components into one board and then require authorized dealers to ship whole components (so CPU, RAM, and storage if there's a motherboard problem) first before getting replacement to remove the risk of any possible repaired components circulating outside their control.
So, when "vintage" time comes, there aren't a lot of after market stuff except from salvaged systems or 3rd party components. That's, of course, Apple's right. It's just obviously sucky behavior to control and corner the market as much as possible on stuff that, until this announcement, they absolutely refused to do anything about except sell you a newer model. Can you imagine if most other PC repair shops were under all the constraints I mentioned? Is it any wonder that Apple is the biggest target of 3rd party "knock-off" components, given there's basically no "official" new components in the wild?
For example, have you ever seen the Motherboard for the MacBook Air? Without oodles and gobs of custom silicon, that product would NEVER have existed!
https://www.ifixit.com/Store/M...
* Seriously, 5-7 years is vintage?
Hell, Samsung thinks that TWO YEARS is "Vintage"!
And if you've ever had a Toshiba ANYTHING, they simply stop making parts or ANYTHING available after about that same amount of time.
If Apple wanted to not suck, they'd not have the ability to repair "vintage"* devices hinging entirely on if they still have old stock of components and make them available to their authorized repair shops. They'd just give out the specs on the device so that anyone could repair, clone, etc defective parts.
You REALLY don't understand the level of technology going on in a modern Smartphone or Tablet, do you?
Idiot Freetard.
Well, I was going to say that I would be waiting for /.'ere to explain to me why this is yet more evidence that Apple sucks but I see that AC has already started it.
If Tim Cook personally promised each and every Apple user sexual favors from their favorite movie star (upon request, of course) somebody here on /. would figure out how that was bad, that Apple sucks, that Steve Jobs would've done it better, and Samsung did it first.
So True!
Apple will price any older model repair far beyond the value of the device, making the service uneconomical.
Prove it, or STFU.
And the parts aren't available because instead of reconditioning and disassembling old devices to get serviceable parts out of them, we grind them into a powder.
At least they aren't letting them just fill-up the Landfills, like Samsung, LG, HTC, Hawei, etc, etc, et FUCKING CETERA...
Your turn.
Yup. See! We offer repair services now! Oh, but the parts are unavailable, sorry.
Actually, the reason they decided to "Un-Vintage" select products was because they apparently found they had enough parts-inventory to make it practical to offer (non-warranty) repair.
Hi Apple, nice stunt.
How about letting people repair their own devices with your parts as well. They should have this right, and it should be written into law if you're not going to offer it freely. Same for other manufacturers.
Sure. Go right ahead. Apple could care less, seriously.
Might have a little trouble finding that Ax SoC at Fry's, though...
Same here, but it is very slow, limited, and many non-Apple apps don't run these days especially when developers removed their older versions from App Store. Local iTunes doesn't even back them up since iOS v9! :(
That's very annoying. I develop some weather & astronomy apps and I go out of my way to support devices as far back as possible, even keeping them updated with new features. I had managed to keep iOS 6 compatibility until this June, and now I am still releasing iOS 7 compatible updates, until Apple makes that impossible as well.
Good for you! Kudos!
Same here, but it is very slow, limited, and many non-Apple apps don't run these days especially when developers removed their older versions from App Store. Local iTunes doesn't even back them up since iOS v9! :(
I bet the iTunes running on my G5 Tower will still back them up! ;-)
Why not, but for a price of new XS (or almost).
I guess they brought this program to counter Louis Rossmann https://apple.slashdot.org/sto...
Louis Rossman is a lying Click-Whore. Nothing more.
unless you're a fish...
Yeah welcome to the world where something is always toxic to something. We're getting better, but I doubt we'll ever come up with a substance that doesn't have some issue with something. Best case is to limit environmental contamination when you do have to use it.
Life is hard if you're cold-blooded...
It is called "a joke". Look it up when you get the chance.
The only people who don't get jokes are the ones that take them serious. So I have to wonder... you really think that's true?
Sorry. I just KNEW that someone would say that. I should have known you weren't serious, since you actually DIDN'T post as an AC...
I really DO have a sense of Humor; but the AC Apple-Haters and their CONSTANT LYING (with NO WAY to "harm" them back!) gets to me after awhile (which I guess is their goal; so...?)
FUCKING apple apologist.
If you cant handle the truth dont leave the genius bar.
If you want to stop being laughed at stop being an ASSHOLE.
And if you want to join a DISCUSSION, LOG THE FUCK IN!!!
Slashtards.
You're a real salty cunt aren't ya? Life not going your way?
And YOU are a COWARD.
Login and Fight like a Man!
None so blind as a apple worshipper.
...and none so COWARDLY as a APPLE-HATING AC.
FUCK OFF AND DIE.
Seriously.
It's a pseudonym that allows the person using it to post anonymously. It goes a bit farther in that it allows the account holder to devise whatever kind of anonymous persona they wish to portray.
But in the case of a REAL USERNAME, like "TheFakeTimCook", it suffers the slings and arrows of OUTRAGEOUS Punish-Downmodding, which is something that your Typical SLASHTARD ANONYMOUS COWARD is too COWARDLY to Risk.
So, FUCK OFF. ALL ACs. Just FUCK. OFF!
Slashdot needs to END this RIDICULOUS PRACTICE NOW!!!
Bullshit Liar!
Prove it, ANONYMOUS ... COWARD, or STFU and FOAD!!!
apple lies almost as much as you do.
So sez the ANONYOUS COWARD...
Login and risk your Karma like a Man, FUCKER, or STFU!!!
I was never actually *mad* about it, to be honest... I felt just mostly disillusioned, to be perfectly frank. This happened to me within the last couple of months before my Applecare was actually about to expire, and I wanted to get one final thing addressed with the wifi adapter that had been bugging me already for some weeks prior, originally anticipating I might be able to get the work done for free when was told I would have to pay.
Understood. Kind of like the broken keycaps on my 2012 MBP (my fault. Dropped something heavy I was holding onto my keyboard, cracking a couple of keytops. Keyboard still works fine, but if I ever want to sell that laptop...). It is about to go on "Vintage" status (which means Apple would normally refuse to repair it. But they have given it a temporary reprieve, it seems).
But I still would have been pretty upset if I were you...
I hope, however, that this has restored some faith back; since it was OBVIOUSLY some bastard (that I hope eventually got fired!!!) that just wanted to "deny" you, rather than a heartless, greedy Corporate Policy...
Might make running VM difficult
Why?
It's a JIT-Compiler system, like Apple did for themselves when transitioning MacOS (Classic) from 68k to PPC.
It does the cross-compiling ONCE, then, on subsequent Runs, just pulls up the Cached, already-cross-compiled code blocks.
Tada!