SELinux is not a distribution at all. It's a patch against the kernel to provide mandatory access control (making use of user roles) and filesystem labelling functions. A few Linux distributions are actually beginning to make it easier to incorporate onto a server. I suppose the most notable of those are Gentoo, through its Gentoo-Hardened subproject, and Debian.
Please, PLEASE READ the article about the DDoS before you post here. The DoS occurred in the early morning hours and only continued through about six hours, into early afternoon. It was not caused by massive traffic to the philly.com website, it was caused by a massive malicious attack against Knight Ridder and had sour effects on at least 30 of their sites.
I agree that most people don't do it because they think it's wrong...
Also, maybe they think it's not even necessary. A loaf of bread or a box of cereal won't go for 20 bucks at your local supermarket nowadays, and that will show much more value than some crappy CD with maybe two songs you actually like.
Three bucks for a week's worth of food for you or twenty bucks for five minutes of good music? Touch choice isn't it?
Do RW's count? Gotta burn those LiveCD's on something...
Seriously though, I haven't bought an RIAA-affiliated CD in quite some time (can't really remember). And now it's just about set that I never will again.
It's easier for me because I think pretty much every CD released by the mainstream companies sucks anyway. And it seems as though that is becoming the new norm with North American music consumers. Any CD that actually HAS good music only has one or two acceptable songs on it...
XWin is forking the Xlib (pretty much the heart of XFree86), though their own Xr and XCB (and a few other) projects. Check their site again, there are already CVS pservers up with code.
Err...Keith Packard ditched XFree86 to start his own fork, xwin...
And you're right...it does take longer to get complicated stuff done in free software land than it does when you've got how many guys being paid to do it.
Given your arguments, I find it difficult to believe you actually use Gentoo regularly. (I know this post is incredibly late...). Gentoo now has a genkernel script which can build a.config, kernel image and initrd all automagically. And also, revdep-update.sh (a new Portage addon) allows reverse dependencies of libraries and other packages (also including kernels) to be calculated and reinstalled if needed. Yes, it does still make you configure grub/lilo...
Exactly. And as I stated, even specs to certain things would do (like the web frontend, for backup purposes). That could be useful for adding or removing servers to or from the system and still having it be functional with parts of the system that aren't openly distributed. Unfortunately, such a thing would probably never happen.
Linksys only released the GPL pieces of what's running on that router. The way it looks, they haven't really put out anything that would help much to create a customized ROM for that device (web frontend specs, scripts, etc.). This isn't that much of a move for them, as it appears they've only released info of what they used, as well as a centralized location for exactly what GPL software is on their router.
The subnet is the easy part. Unfortunately, your end IP fields will rarely equate to a single digit, like::1 or::2. More often than not, an automatic configuration scheme will give you something like:203:6dff:fe1d:85c4 at the end (my PC under a/64 prefix, as an example). That value is calculated via the MAC address. Preset IP's are usually only given to routers and servers.
You miss the point, though. The true admin of the server can still do whatever he wants, by authenticating with the SELinux policy system. Even if the server gets rooted, it's all for naught without being able to authenticate with SELinux. If you understand anything about security, you know how valuable that can be for a system that needs hardcore security.
I never mentioned anything about the way the community acts as a whole. It was more in reference to the way it has grown and probably will continue to grow, as well as how it responds to certain events in conjunction with Gentoo innovation, such as this.
I posted a Gentoo comment here because the article is about Gentoo! I agree that Gentoo and its community both have shortcomings. And I also believe that Slackware, Debian, RedHat, Mandrake, etc. all have similar shortcomings, both in community and in software. Linux is like that right now, and will be until it stabilizes. No matter what distribution you're a fan of, you can never claim that your favorite is better than the other ones. That won't accomplish a thing.
You're right, some of the developers are very, very arrogant. Unfortunately, those few devs give a terrible reputation to the rest of the group, who are really a bunch of very nice people. If you frequented the IRC channel on freenode, you would know that. I've never seen someone like drobbins be so humble to his community. Development manager Seemant Kulleen is also very nice, and got the ball rolling on a revolutionary XFree ebuild with all kinds of patches included, even attempting to get GATOS in there for the countless ATI users. klieber and some others may not be as nice, but even those few guys are nowhere near as bad as the friendliest developers of other distributions.
About the "installers", those versions are primarily intended for the LiveCD's, not actual installation procedures themselves. 1.4RCx, for instance, has many more features than the older 1.4RCy, including autodetection and setup of network devices and numerous other hardware, or whatever. That's what the version refers to, not the results of those CD's. The installation procedure has not changed since (before?) the 1.0 CD was released.
floam, the hardened-gentoo project is still alive and has its own channel on freenode, #gentoo-hardened. It mainly consists of a kernel with only stable patches, IPSec, grsecurity or selinux (not both) and (if using IPSec) a profile to go with it. It's not a fork, just an enhancement upon Gentoo itself, hence the added profile and kernel sources. I've been using it on my router and it seems to be doing great, even with Gentoo's default SELinux policy.
Also, try their demo machine here. It's been mentioned as an article here before. It lets you log in as root and do almost nothing, which is pretty cool.
As a user of Gentoo on both a server and my home desktop, I understand that this could mean great things for the distribution, if executed properly. Hopefully the forkers will be able to keep up with the dynamic nature of the Gentoo community.
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Explain my grandmother's case then. She talks on her cell all the time and still can't remember half the day. :-P
"Honorable...pfft!"
Don't forget these:
5:24PM - In Soviet Russia, electricity uses up YOU
and
5:24PM - All your electrons are belong to us...
SELinux is not a distribution at all. It's a patch against the kernel to provide mandatory access control (making use of user roles) and filesystem labelling functions. A few Linux distributions are actually beginning to make it easier to incorporate onto a server. I suppose the most notable of those are Gentoo, through its Gentoo-Hardened subproject, and Debian.
Please, PLEASE READ the article about the DDoS before you post here. The DoS occurred in the early morning hours and only continued through about six hours, into early afternoon. It was not caused by massive traffic to the philly.com website, it was caused by a massive malicious attack against Knight Ridder and had sour effects on at least 30 of their sites.
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I agree that most people don't do it because they think it's wrong...
Also, maybe they think it's not even necessary. A loaf of bread or a box of cereal won't go for 20 bucks at your local supermarket nowadays, and that will show much more value than some crappy CD with maybe two songs you actually like.
Three bucks for a week's worth of food for you or twenty bucks for five minutes of good music? Touch choice isn't it?
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Do RW's count? Gotta burn those LiveCD's on something...
Seriously though, I haven't bought an RIAA-affiliated CD in quite some time (can't really remember). And now it's just about set that I never will again.
It's easier for me because I think pretty much every CD released by the mainstream companies sucks anyway. And it seems as though that is becoming the new norm with North American music consumers. Any CD that actually HAS good music only has one or two acceptable songs on it...
Dolls that spell prevent posts like taht ;)
XWin is forking the Xlib (pretty much the heart of XFree86), though their own Xr and XCB (and a few other) projects. Check their site again, there are already CVS pservers up with code.
Err...Keith Packard ditched XFree86 to start his own fork, xwin...
And you're right...it does take longer to get complicated stuff done in free software land than it does when you've got how many guys being paid to do it.
No, it's obvious that Al Gore did that when he invented the Internet...
Given your arguments, I find it difficult to believe you actually use Gentoo regularly. (I know this post is incredibly late...). Gentoo now has a genkernel script which can build a .config, kernel image and initrd all automagically. And also, revdep-update.sh (a new Portage addon) allows reverse dependencies of libraries and other packages (also including kernels) to be calculated and reinstalled if needed. Yes, it does still make you configure grub/lilo...
"What the hell is that thing?"
"It appears to be the mothership."
"Then what did we just blow up?"
"The Hubble Telescope."
"They'd have to come up with some way to get the user to click on that file," said Stephen Toulouse of Microsoft's Security Response Center
Such as a link saying "CLICK HERE!"?
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Exactly. And as I stated, even specs to certain things would do (like the web frontend, for backup purposes). That could be useful for adding or removing servers to or from the system and still having it be functional with parts of the system that aren't openly distributed. Unfortunately, such a thing would probably never happen.
Linksys only released the GPL pieces of what's running on that router. The way it looks, they haven't really put out anything that would help much to create a customized ROM for that device (web frontend specs, scripts, etc.). This isn't that much of a move for them, as it appears they've only released info of what they used, as well as a centralized location for exactly what GPL software is on their router.
"It's quite liberating to try out five different web browsers - Galeon, Konqueror, Mozilla, Quanta Plus or Screem
Please note that the last two are web development IDE's. I can just imagine a new Linux user browsing in one of those. Heh.
The subnet is the easy part. Unfortunately, your end IP fields will rarely equate to a single digit, like ::1 or ::2. More often than not, an automatic configuration scheme will give you something like :203:6dff:fe1d:85c4 at the end (my PC under a /64 prefix, as an example). That value is calculated via the MAC address. Preset IP's are usually only given to routers and servers.
You miss the point, though. The true admin of the server can still do whatever he wants, by authenticating with the SELinux policy system. Even if the server gets rooted, it's all for naught without being able to authenticate with SELinux. If you understand anything about security, you know how valuable that can be for a system that needs hardcore security.
I never mentioned anything about the way the community acts as a whole. It was more in reference to the way it has grown and probably will continue to grow, as well as how it responds to certain events in conjunction with Gentoo innovation, such as this.
I posted a Gentoo comment here because the article is about Gentoo! I agree that Gentoo and its community both have shortcomings. And I also believe that Slackware, Debian, RedHat, Mandrake, etc. all have similar shortcomings, both in community and in software. Linux is like that right now, and will be until it stabilizes. No matter what distribution you're a fan of, you can never claim that your favorite is better than the other ones. That won't accomplish a thing.
You're right, some of the developers are very, very arrogant. Unfortunately, those few devs give a terrible reputation to the rest of the group, who are really a bunch of very nice people. If you frequented the IRC channel on freenode, you would know that. I've never seen someone like drobbins be so humble to his community. Development manager Seemant Kulleen is also very nice, and got the ball rolling on a revolutionary XFree ebuild with all kinds of patches included, even attempting to get GATOS in there for the countless ATI users. klieber and some others may not be as nice, but even those few guys are nowhere near as bad as the friendliest developers of other distributions.
About the "installers", those versions are primarily intended for the LiveCD's, not actual installation procedures themselves. 1.4RCx, for instance, has many more features than the older 1.4RCy, including autodetection and setup of network devices and numerous other hardware, or whatever. That's what the version refers to, not the results of those CD's. The installation procedure has not changed since (before?) the 1.0 CD was released.
floam, the hardened-gentoo project is still alive and has its own channel on freenode, #gentoo-hardened. It mainly consists of a kernel with only stable patches, IPSec, grsecurity or selinux (not both) and (if using IPSec) a profile to go with it. It's not a fork, just an enhancement upon Gentoo itself, hence the added profile and kernel sources. I've been using it on my router and it seems to be doing great, even with Gentoo's default SELinux policy.
Also, try their demo machine here. It's been mentioned as an article here before. It lets you log in as root and do almost nothing, which is pretty cool.
As a user of Gentoo on both a server and my home desktop, I understand that this could mean great things for the distribution, if executed properly. Hopefully the forkers will be able to keep up with the dynamic nature of the Gentoo community.