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3G Waves Causes Headaches, Sharpens Memory

jonknee writes "MobileTracker noted that an interesting study on 3G cellular networks has been released out of Amsterdam. The findings were that exposure to 3G waves can cause headaches and nausea (conventional cellular service doesn't have these effects). It also found that those same subjects had better memory and reaction times (conventional cellular networks have the same effect)!"

277 comments

  1. But what about CDMA2000? by halo1982 · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I think this is just WCDMA/UMTS. I'm wondering what the impact of CDMA2000 1xEVDO and 1xEVDV would have, if any (since those may be the primary 3G systems in the US).

    1. Re:But what about CDMA2000? by OverlordQ · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hmmm, that's interesting, one would thing the residual IRQ going over the PCI would cancel out the WTF that allows people to RTFM, that being the primary cause of people wondering what the heck others just said.

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    2. Re:But what about CDMA2000? by JebusIsLord · · Score: 1

      3G is third generation GSM, which is an entirely different animal from CDMA.

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    3. Re:But what about CDMA2000? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      umm...no 3G also relates to CDMA TDMA and the likes. It simply means third generation.

    4. Re:But what about CDMA2000? by halo1982 · · Score: 1

      Chances are since this test was done on 3G in Europe, they didn't test anything like CDMA2000 (US, Asia) or EDGE or GSM1x (bastardized GSM by Qualcomm combining cdma2000 data/voice and gsm voice)

    5. Re:But what about CDMA2000? by dgmartin98 · · Score: 1

      3G is more than a '3rd generation GSM'. There are several air interfaces (basestation to mobile interface), of which CDMA plays a huge role. WCDMA, cdma2000, and TD-SCDMA all use CDMA, and yes, they are all 3G.

      You can say that some 3G networks are based on a 3rd generation GSM, in the sense that the core network (basestation to public network) is an evolution of the 2nd generation GSM core network.

      See here for more: UMTSworld

      /Dave

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  2. Sharpen the brains is good there... by DavidpFitz · · Score: 1, Funny

    With all that weed smoked in Amsterdam, they can do with all the brain sharpening they can get!

    Maybe this will balance them out a bit :-)

    1. Re:Sharpen the brains is good there... by hanwen · · Score: 3, Funny
      With all that weed smoked in Amsterdam, they can do with all the brain sharpening they can get!

      bollocks, it's all those bloody tourists getting high.

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    2. Re:Sharpen the brains is good there... by lanswitch · · Score: 2, Funny
      Right now i'm nauseaus and I feel a headache coming on. It culd be because I'm near Amsterdam with all its "radio-activity", because of "all the weed" I smoked today, or because of the sillyness of your remark. I'm off to puke while you make the decision.

      btw is that jealousy I sense?

    3. Re:Sharpen the brains is good there... by DavidpFitz · · Score: 1
      I'm off to puke while you make the decision.

      It's a joke...

      With any luck the radio-activity you speak of will implant a sense of humour into you :-)

      Oh, for your benefit, that was a joke too.
    4. Re:Sharpen the brains is good there... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      With all that weed smoked in Amsterdam, they can do with all the brain sharpening they can get!

      Maybe this will balance them out a bit :-)


      I know you were joking, but isn't it about time we pushed the 'neurotoxic' myth about marijuana out of the popular consciousness? It's been disproven many times. The 'study' in which it was found only acheived neurotoxicity by distilling the THC into a fabulously concentrated form and then feeding rats the equivalent of 30 times their own body weight at once. I submit that 30 times one's weight in just about anything is detrimental. A more rational study found less deviation in rational thinking, problem solving, and memory between people who never smoked and people who smoked heavily for decades than was their margin for error. (about 3%, IIRC) While it is true that marijuana use produces free radicals, which can be dangerous, it is also true that increasing your anti-oxident intake can easily compensate. I'm not saying there aren't any bad things about marijuana, just that it isn't neurotoxic.

    5. Re:Sharpen the brains is good there... by DavidpFitz · · Score: 1

      I would agree wholeheartadly - some very smart academics I know smoke rather a lot... and they're pretty smart folk!

      I wonder what would a joint in one hand and a 3G phone to the ear cancel eachother out :-)

    6. Re:Sharpen the brains is good there... by lanswitch · · Score: 1

      We dutch people are known to be blunt. Maybe that goes for our humour too..
      I wass trying to make a joke. Despite the fact that i am really not well, you know, headache and nausea. I guess my dealer ripped me off...(joke!)

    7. Re:Sharpen the brains is good there... by Stingr · · Score: 1, Funny

      That's just crazy talk.

      Everyone knows that a joint in the hand is worth two 3G phones next to your head.

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      Order shall return.
    8. Re:Sharpen the brains is good there... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're nauseous, it means you're making other people sick.

      The word you want is nauseated.

      I know it sounds picky, but I tend to believe exactly what somebody writes. If you don't mean it, don't write it.

    9. Re:Sharpen the brains is good there... by lanswitch · · Score: 1

      thnak you for corecting my speling

    10. Re:Sharpen the brains is good there... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If there's two things I hate, it's those who are intolerant of other cultures, and the Dutch.

    11. Re:Sharpen the brains is good there... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      U R veri welcum. It wasn't so much the spelling as it was the choice of words. Bad spelling I can figure out. Wrong words give the sentence a different meaning.

    12. Re:Sharpen the brains is good there... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey! The Dutch can't help the way they are. Hate the French; they actually want to be assholes!

    13. Re:Sharpen the brains is good there... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about No, you crazy Dutch bastard??

    14. Re:Sharpen the brains is good there... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      smokin' a blunt?

    15. Re:Sharpen the brains is good there... by Ed+Drone · · Score: 1
      The problem with "sharpening the brain" and "improving memory" is that all you can remember is the bloody headache!

      It'd be interesting to try the experiment while on various substances, though.

      Ed

    16. Re:Sharpen the brains is good there... by utd-blaze · · Score: 1

      Having been to Amsterdam during both the summer and the winter I can tell you that the Dutch smoke their fair share of cannabis. Obviously not all Dutch people smoke, and during the summer you mostly see tourists smoking. But if you go during the winter, when its too cold for all but the most hardened junkies, and most tourists seek warmer climates you get to see Amsterdam in its natural state. Coffeeshops are not empty during the winter, and in fact seem to do fairly brisk business. During the winter, the most spoken language inside coffeeshops is actually Dutch.

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    17. Re:Sharpen the brains is good there... by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      Must range from person to person. I know some wise people who smoke and aren't affected at all. If I smoke I get very dull and stupid, can't solve tasks that would take me a minute before, good insightful imagination is broken for about a week... But it's not "toxic" as such, the effect is temporary, passes without permanent effects.

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  3. Outstanding by stanmann · · Score: 5, Funny

    Next time I have to take a test, I'll carry an old motorola briefcase phone with me and Make sure it is sending and recieving.

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    1. Re:Outstanding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless it's to and from your friend with the answers in the next room, I wouldn't count on it is a testing aid.

    2. Re:Outstanding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Plus, if the test is graded "on the curve" and your broadcast envelops everyone in the room you'll be lucky to break even for all your efforts and the funny looks you'll get (assuming that the effect's affects, if it actually exists at all, are uniform throughout the species...)

  4. Amsterdam?? by Mephie · · Score: 1, Funny

    Are they sure it's not the hash?

    1. Re:Amsterdam?? by bruthasj · · Score: 2, Funny

      No. It's under the limit heroine of course! Get it now for 9.99 in a special offer that will also enlarge your penis!

    2. Re:Amsterdam?? by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      nah it's just that they're NOT using it while they're using the ultra cool 3g networks.

      so, their memory gets better and they have headache from depravation...... ..no i don't really know the effects.

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    3. Re:Amsterdam?? by hanssprudel · · Score: 1

      Faster reaction times, and better memory. Uh-huh, sounds like hash alright... Really...

    4. Re:Amsterdam?? by Frans+Faase · · Score: 1

      Although the press messages was made from Amsterdam, it doesn't mean the research was done there. And although hash is freely available in almost every major city in the Netherlands, it doesn't mean that all Dutch are smoking pot every day. That would be the same as saying that all Americans over 18 are drunken, because they can buy beer in every city (except Utah).

    5. Re:Amsterdam?? by Mephie · · Score: 1

      Welcome to slashdot. Please leave your sense of humor (humour) at the door.

    6. Re:Amsterdam?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just so you know, you have to be 21 or over to legally buy alcohol in the US.

    7. Re:Amsterdam?? by lokedhs · · Score: 1

      And exactly what does the "legal age" have to do with the drinking age?

    8. Re:Amsterdam?? by eatdave13 · · Score: 1

      under the limit heroine

      Joan of Arc?

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    9. Re:Amsterdam?? by ShortSpecialBus · · Score: 1

      well, nothing, except that the grandparent post said that 18 year olds could BUY beer.

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  5. Not for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Considering my failure to achieve first post, the nearest 3G transmitter must be miles away.

  6. alertness by avandesande · · Score: 3, Interesting

    could be the bodies reaction to brain damage.

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    1. Re:alertness by ComaVN · · Score: 1, Interesting

      That is frightningly true.

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    2. Re:alertness by Threni · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Could be the heat making blood and other chemicals fire quicker. However, I'm reminded of the short story `Flowers for Algernon`...

    3. Re:alertness by slykens · · Score: 5, Funny
      could be the bodies reaction to brain damage.

      Yes, you see, it is true the brain is like a herd of buffalo.

      You see, a herd of buffalo can only move as fast as its slowest members. When those members are killed the entire herd moves faster. So when (alcohol, 3G RF, other substances) kill off the slower brain cells the entire brain operates more efficiently!

      Speaking realistically, however, I occasionally have the opportunity to visit a building roof mounted cell site and when I do I always come away with a very dull headache. This is an 800 MHz primarily but there is some 1900 MHz there too.

    4. Re:alertness by Dread_ed · · Score: 1

      It could be. In fact, Homeopathy (IIRC) works in a way that might prove this true.

      An example of homeopathy goes like this: If you want to sleep, give yourself a small quantity of a STIMULANT. Your body will try to counteract the stimulant and return itself to equilibrium. Because the amount of stimulant is small your biological reaction to it will be more than is necessary to counteract the stimulant and the result will me a natural depressant effect.

      In the case of the G3 phone, the body may be reacting to brain dammage in a similar way, ie. a small amount of brain dammage causes the body to compensate, but overcompensation results in benefits.

      If this is actually the case then the only question I have is how long will I be able to dominate my favorite Quake server before my brain turns to marmalade.

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    5. Re:alertness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yes, you see, it is true the brain is like a herd of buffalo.

      You see, a herd of buffalo can only move as fast as its slowest members. When those members are killed the entire herd moves faster. So when (alcohol, 3G RF, other substances) kill off the slower brain cells the entire brain operates more efficiently!


      I've heard this before, but don't think it's correct.. the neural firing rate isn't (on the whole) in a lock-step with the slowest members. With feedback loops, you needn't worry that some events trigger slower than others - it's even possible that this is necessary in some ways.

      Just my 2 rupees.

    6. Re:alertness by untaken_name · · Score: 1

      Could be the heat making blood and other chemicals fire quicker. However, I'm reminded of the short story `Flowers for Algernon`...

      It's either funny or sad, but the first thing that came to my mind was the crayon removal episode of the simpsons. Yes, yes, I realize it paralleled Flowers for Algernon, yes I read FfA long before the simpsons ever started....but for better or worse, that show stuck out in my mind more than the beautifully written and heart-wrenching source material. Sorry for the OT post.

    7. Re:alertness by skaffen42 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Except that homeopathy doesn't work. Never has. Never will.

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    8. Re:alertness by xanadu-xtroot.com · · Score: 1

      If you want to sleep, give yourself a small quantity of a STIMULANT.

      So you're suggesting that a few lines of coke will put me to sleep? Yea... uh...

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    9. Re:alertness by soulsteal · · Score: 2, Funny

      I've been using a cell phone for the last few years and I don't feel dain bramaged at all.

    10. Re:alertness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well well. You sure do make a convincing argument about homeopathy...

    11. Re:alertness by Oddly_Drac · · Score: 1

      "could be the bodies reaction to brain damage."

      And slashdot calls this 'interesting'?

      I'd like to posit that it's actual the brain pixies being made sleepy by the magic moonbeams that the mind control lasers produce interacting with the 3G network.

      That's gotta be worth a 'genius'.

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    12. Re:alertness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is how ADDHD is treated, with a stimulant

    13. Re:alertness by avandesande · · Score: 1

      Every time now when I get a cold, the night before I have a hard time sleeping.. My body is under a hightened state of awareness because it is under attack.
      Brain damage due to post-tramatic stress syndrome is also proven and well documented. This is a form of over-stimulation.
      Although I am no medical researcher I think the hypothesis that it may be bad for you is a good one.

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    14. Re:alertness by mrtroy · · Score: 2, Funny

      I disagree here.

      My strategy has always been to use large quantities of alcohol to put a survival of the fittest in my brain.

      The more you drink, the better this idea gets.

      It does not help you do well in exams - dont listen!

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    15. Re:alertness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stimulants make you focus. That's why they are used.

    16. Re:alertness by Fesh · · Score: 1

      Small quantity, numbnuts. *grin*

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    17. Re:alertness by Oddly_Drac · · Score: 1

      "My body is under a hightened state of awareness because it is under attack."

      The viral attack is also going to raise your body temperature, which is less about overall 'awareness' than it is discomfort. Personally I sleep like a log when I'm becoming ill, although that could be coupled with a nasty case of sleep apnea (oxygen starvation coupled with interrupted deep sleep cycles leading to a deeper state of sleep).

      "Brain damage due to post-tramatic stress syndrome is also proven and well documented."

      *cough* Yeah, for a given value of 'brain damage'. Most notably the damage represented in the studies I've looked at are connected to differing blood flow and PTSD interrupting 'normal' brain functioning by triggering the Amagdyla into fight and flight before the prefrontal lobe can reason. This ain't the same as microwaving the area behind the ear. For one thing constantly banging the amagdyla into action is going to affect mood and physiological aspects of panic including psychological reinforcement if the person doesn't understand what's going on.

      "Although I am no medical researcher I think the hypothesis that it may be bad for you is a good one."

      I'd agree, but I haven't seen much compelling evidence that would suggest that microwaves at a ~4 watts cause the kind of malignant neoplasm that people have been barking about, and the 'study' appears to be a worse case scenario kind of thing rather than wholly objective, or it would have gone to peer review before the press. For one thing it appears that the study subjects might have been complaining of some symptoms before the study took place, and that's one of the worse things you can do in a double-blind

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    18. Re:alertness by jumpingfred · · Score: 1

      4 Watts!!?? digital cell phones put out less than 1 Watt.

    19. Re:alertness by glitch! · · Score: 1

      Except that homeopathy doesn't work. Never has. Never will.

      You forgot the obligatory joke:
      "Did you hear about the guy that OD'ed on homeopathic medicine?"
      "Yeah, he forgot to take it."

      I also got a kick out of Dr. Dean Edel, who mused about selling "homeopathic crack cocaine", since it would be legal (contains no cocaine).

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    20. Re:alertness by Oddly_Drac · · Score: 1

      "digital cell phones put out less than 1 Watt."

      shh.

      Only you've spotted the missing decimal place so far, and I'm hoping nobody else saw it.

      I had one of those monster Panasonic transportables in the early days and that would put out 4 watts in 'car-mounted' mode and around 0.7 watts when you were lugging it around.

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    21. Re:alertness by Stingr · · Score: 0

      Yes but what about the survival of your liver???

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    22. Re:alertness by JebusIsLord · · Score: 1

      ...and they have no idea why it works, to be honest. I'm ADD.

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      Jeremy
    23. Re:alertness by Rabid+Rob · · Score: 1

      Homeopathy is ludicrous in and of itself, however this particular biological effectis fairly well documented, and is why homeopathy is able to create the illusion of working. There's even a branch of medical science on precisely this process of using slight doses of poisons which your system can easily deal with. Call it exercising your biological system on the cellular level, it does work.

    24. Re:alertness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The more you drink, the better this idea gets.

      Unfortunately, the outcome of the "idea" is sometimes not learned for another nine months.

    25. Re:alertness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [Grand Parent]
      Yes, you see, it is true the brain is like a herd of buffalo.

      You see, a herd of buffalo can only move as fast as its slowest members. When those members are killed the entire herd moves faster. So when (alcohol, 3G RF, other substances) kill off the slower brain cells the entire brain operates more efficiently!
      [/Grand Parent]

      [Parent]
      I've heard this before, but don't think it's correct..
      [/Parent]

      i think the grand parent post was one of those "jokes" we always hear about.

    26. Re:alertness by Threni · · Score: 1

      > Sorry for the OT post.

      I apreciated it, even if I don't remember that episode (and I'm a huge Simpsons fan!).

      What IS sad is that its already 10 years since Frank Zappa died - another big Zappa fan, and sadly cheated of his chance to appear in an episode.

    27. Re:alertness by Threni · · Score: 1

      Oops - that should have read: ...another big Simpsons fan...

  7. Whoo Hoo! by CGP314 · · Score: 2, Funny

    It also found that those same subjects had better memory and reaction times

    Screw studying for that test, I'm going to talk to my friends on my cell phone all night!

    1. Re:Whoo Hoo! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Sometime ago, I have been told that 3G Waves could cause short-term lack of memory, but I cant really remember if that has happened to me.

  8. Brain Tumours by Brahmastra · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Here's the same story on yahoo.
    The article says that no scientific evidence exists for a link between 2G signals and brain tumours. But, what about 3G signals? If they can cause headache and nausea, I think you can reasonably expect it to have other effects such as malignant tumours. It's time to take a step back and study 3G more before massive deployment. There is no pressing need to surf porn or whatever faster on your cellphone.

    1. Re:Brain Tumours by lordpixel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      > If they can cause headache and nausea,
      >I think you can reasonably expect it to have other
      >effects such as malignant tumours

      Wow. Turning myself upside down for 2 minutes can give me headaches and nausea. So can drinking beer!

      I must "reasonably expect" those to give me brain tumours too!

      Seriously though, there may or may not be a more serious problem than headaches, but there's precisely no evidence of that being presented, is there? (by the sounds of it, there's so few details no one can definatively say anything)

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    2. Re:Brain Tumours by Tracker09 · · Score: 1

      Hit the nail on the head with that one.

    3. Re:Brain Tumours by ukyoCE · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I dont know if being upside down or drinking beer will cause tumors, but if you did either for as long every day as people are subjected to wireless signals you'd fuck yourself up pretty badly.

    4. Re:Brain Tumours by tiled_rainbows · · Score: 1

      Might shielding oneself against cellphone-induced brain-tumors be a worthwhile application for a tinfoil hat?

      I'm only semi-joking. Less than that. I'm 70% serious. I can imagine people wearing special "Antiradiation hats" to make cellphone calls.

    5. Re:Brain Tumours by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      didn't you know, the test is going to simulate a real world environment... the real world. you ARE the lab rat.

    6. Re:Brain Tumours by dano1992 · · Score: 1

      "If they can cause headache and nausea, I think you can reasonably expect it to have other effects such as malignant tumours."

      I don't know. That leap to a massively unfounded conclusion is causing me headache and nausea, but I don't think it'll give me a tumor.

    7. Re:Brain Tumours by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While I think the initial comment in this thread is a bit off-- there is no "reasonable expect[ation]" that headache and nausea indicate malignant tumor formation.

      That said, my son was diagnosed with a malignant tumor in 2002. There is no known cause for the tumor he has-- it just occurs and grows rapidly. There is some research that may prove helpful and does not appear-- at first reading-- to have any direct relationship to rf. However, I do wonder about the effects of various types of signals on his brain in particular (and everyone elses as well). I think research in these areas is a good thing. While we have gone through times of panic about radio waves and guilt wondering if our wi-fi equipment caused the tumor, we have cell phones & wi-fi equipment in use today. For that matter, wireless stuff is all over the hospital he's been treated at.

      http://joshuasjourney.newmex.net

    8. Re:Brain Tumours by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even 1G (9.81m/s/s) can give you a good headache.

    9. Re:Brain Tumours by squaretorus · · Score: 1

      There is absolutely no verified (by which I mean duplicated) research linking any mobile phone radiation to non-thermal effects in human tissues. None.
      If you know of any please let me know.

      I get a bastard of a headache if I eat too many crisps or sit under flourescent lights for more than an hour or so. While the saturated fats in the crisps might give me cancer of the ass I doubt the flourescent lights are causing me permenant harm.

    10. Re:Brain Tumours by Shazow · · Score: 1
      ... but if you did either for as long every day as people are subjected to wireless signals ...


      Well, at least now we know why people are getting so smart lately. (sarcasm)

      - shazow
    11. Re:Brain Tumours by JebusIsLord · · Score: 1

      hahaha that was friking GOLDEN!

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    12. Re:Brain Tumours by SteakandcheeseUm · · Score: 1

      Doesnt the AFDB make things worse? like ampifying the damaging rays?

    13. Re:Brain Tumours by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, don't you think it's worth investigating, before cell phones become even more ingrained in our society? This sort of resistance to even considering and researching the effects is exactly what allowed smoking and car culture to get where they are.

      I know mobile phones are convenient and make great status symbols, but the last thing we need to do is to throw out science in order to provide us with another way of killing ourselves.

  9. ug... by grub · · Score: 5, Funny


    It also found that those same subjects had better memory and reaction times (conventional cellular networks have the same effect)!"

    Now if I could only remember I left my cell phone...

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    1. Re:ug... by The+Grassy+Knoll · · Score: 1

      I always ring mine to find it.

      Usually turns up behind the sofa.

      .

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    2. Re:ug... by grub · · Score: 1

      That works if you also have a land line, I don't. Got rid of it a few months back. Signed up with primustel.ca and now get CA$0.05/minute long distance to the US and Canada on my cell. No need for a landline anymore.

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    3. Re:ug... by nebaz · · Score: 1

      That works if you also have a land line...No need for a landline anymore.

      There is too a need for a land line -- to find your cell phone, as stated above.

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    4. Re:ug... by The+Grassy+Knoll · · Score: 1

      A friend of mine did the same (in the UK). My (landline) phone bill is about 40 pounds a quarter, of which 35 is for the lease on the line! (Rough figures only) So it can make sense to go only mobile.

      And before you ask, the 5 pounds a quarter usage bill isn't affected by the number of times I ring my mobile to find it - I hang up before it connects!

      .

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  10. Talk and drive by stanmann · · Score: 5, Funny

    It looks like the idea that using a cell phone is detrimental to driving performance is faulty. Since Reaction times are dramatically improved, I expect that within a few years you will be required to use a cell phone while driving.

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    1. Re:Talk and drive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It looks like the idea that using a cell phone is detrimental to driving performance is faulty.

      Tell that to the idiot here that drove through a construction arrow-board at 80 mph because he was busy on his phone....

      Sharpens the brain? ok... Make an idiot smarter? Absolutely nothing can do that. My company has tried for decades to make management smarter... it doesn't work.

    2. Re:Talk and drive by Walterk · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well, almost right. The distration of talking to someone more than compensates for any increase in reaction time. Instead what will be mandatory will be at least 3 passengers all babbeling their heads off (preferable female, as they have superious talking performance) to other people on mobile phones, while you are free to concentrate on the road with your enhanced reaction time.

    3. Re:Talk and drive by ucsckevin · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure about anyone else, but when I get a headache, it's hard for me to think, let alone remember stuff.

    4. Re:Talk and drive by sharkey · · Score: 1
      Instead what will be mandatory will be at least 3 passengers all babbeling their heads off (preferable female, as they have superious talking performance) to other people on mobile phones

      The Roxbury Guys anybody? They can just call each other!

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    5. Re:Talk and drive by Sanga · · Score: 1

      Make mine a blonde, a brunette and a redhead

  11. So you remember you need to get to the meeting,... by burgburgburg · · Score: 3, Funny
    but you're too dizzy and unstable to make it. So you call in instead, using your 3G cellular phone.

    GENIUS!

  12. Typical Slashdot Grammar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    3G Waves Causes Headaches, Sharpens Memory

    3G Waves Cause Headaches, Sharpen Memory

    Not so tough, is it?

    1. Re:Typical Slashdot Grammar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not for you maybe!!! You Grammatically Neat Uniform English (GNU/English) zealots aren't helping the average Joe to pick up English at all. That's why I stick with Meaningless Sputtering (MS). It has the highest mind share for a reason, it requires no education and is easy enough for anyone with a set of lungs and lips to use. When English becomes just a bunch of incoherent sounds and random glyphs then I'll consider switching.

    2. Re:Typical Slashdot Grammar by calethix · · Score: 1

      3G Waves Causes Headaches and Bad Grammars, Sharpens Memory

  13. So, where's the study? by terrencefw · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Ummm... the link's to a Wired article that doesn't say any more about the study than the Slashdot story does. Is the actual study available anywhere?

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    1. Re:So, where's the study? by Brahmastra · · Score: 1

      Here's an article on the Dutch economic ministry's website (if you can read dutch)

    2. Re:So, where's the study? by it0 · · Score: 1

      No, I don't but the study has been done by TNO which has a very good reputation for being objective and thorough.

    3. Re:So, where's the study? by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 3, Informative

      Here you go: a management summary of the study, and more about the tests. Both in Dutch only, sorry.

      The complete study can be found on the website of the Ministry of Economic Affairs, here. This one's in English; don't be fooled by the Dutch management summary that is included at the start of the document.

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    4. Re:So, where's the study? by ruudn · · Score: 2, Informative

      TNO Report (english, pdf)

      click on 'Onderzoek'

      Not giving the direct link to prevent their server from going down (it's a 1.8 MB file)

      Ruud

    5. Re:So, where's the study? by ruudn · · Score: 1

      Grrr - click 'Documenten' on the right first, then 'Onderzoek'....

      sorry bout that

    6. Re:So, where's the study? by Oddly_Drac · · Score: 2, Informative

      "Is the actual study available anywhere"

      Not yet published. This is the kind of short-circuiting of peer review that starts to get silly after a while.

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    7. Re:So, where's the study? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wouldn't it be cool if those links were given for the original story? I guess that's not really Slashdot's thing, but primary sources are nice...

    8. Re:So, where's the study? by Oddly_Drac · · Score: 1

      Regarding the study.

      Register followup

      The study itself (pdf)

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  14. Headaches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...can cause headaches and nausea (conventional cellular service doesn't have these effects)

    Obviously the writer of this article has never dealt with Verizon (or many other telecomm companies).

    1. Re:Headaches by UndercoverParrothead · · Score: 1

      Amen!

      Nothing like using LESS than your monthly allowance and still getting hit for $50 in airtime charges.

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  15. Doh... by Storebj0rn · · Score: 5, Funny
    There is no hash in UMTS, only CRC's.

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  16. Memory. by banzai75 · · Score: 0

    Can you hear me now?

    Hey shut up! I f*%king heard you the first time!

  17. Amsterdam by nitz7978 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Is yet another symptom of "3g" the munchies?

    1. Re:Amsterdam by g0at · · Score: 1

      Am I dense... or is this joke, while amusing and worthy of +5 for its intent, backwards?

      Typically it is impaired short-term memory and slower reaction time that are known to accompany the munchies... so one might figure that 3G would *suppress* appetite, no?

      -b

  18. I, for one... by pope1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Welcome our Cellular Network Enhanced Overlords.

    *ahem*

    On a serious note, were the results of this study
    pusblished in any credible medical journal?

    Cell phone *sharpens* the senses? Seems just a little crazy to me.

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    1. Re:I, for one... by sql*kitten · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Cell phone *sharpens* the senses? Seems just a little crazy to me.

      Heating the brain a little is how it does it. Some of the body's subsystems work more efficiently when warmer than normal operating temperature (that's what a fever is: your body optimizing for fighting infection). Unfortunately, the optimal temperature is not the same for every subsystem, which is why the normal overall blood temperature is 37C. And there's no feedback between the subsystems: to fight infection, your immune system doesn't care if it damages your brain - that's why we cool the heads of people with fevers. So while one part of your brain may work better when a little warmer, there's no telling what the long term effects might be on other parts.

    2. Re:I, for one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At such low frequencies (3G is still RF), there's nothing happening to these people, not even "heating their brains". It's all in their heads. PS if your above statement is true why don't we all just heat our brains a little??

    3. Re:I, for one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Wow, I must say I'm always amazed at the bullshit that gets flinged, AND counter-flinged on this site.

      All arm-chair scientists...

      At least the grand-parent post had some informative points about feedback between subsystems (which I didn't know, and kind of makes sense)... But you? Sigh.

    4. Re:I, for one... by makapuf · · Score: 1

      Brain overclocking !
      MMhh ... so , when are we going to see l337 peltier coolers on OC heads ? Or leds showing thinking activity ?

    5. Re:I, for one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You just had to post that, on Slashdot no less? Think of the overclockers man! They're going to get home from class, check /. , then prompty set to work at clever ways to heat up their brains to overclock it. I can hear the microwave doors being removed already.

    6. Re:I, for one... by tkittel · · Score: 1

      > (that's what a fever is: your body optimizing for fighting infection)

      I thought that the point of a fever was to raise the body temperature to a point where the malicious vira die.

    7. Re:I, for one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that's why we cool the heads of people with fevers

      Ummm, no... at least my understanding is we generally cool people's heads because it helps them to *feel* better. Lowering a fever is actually counter productive and stops the actual healing mechanism. Disclaimer-- this has been debated for centuries... to get a feel for the discussion talk to a doctor with a specialty in infection control. On occasion the attempt to lower temperature is trying to prevent a seizure; however, seizure's usually occur when the body temperature shoots up very very rapidly-- so there is no time (nor many things) to help.

    8. Re:I, for one... by hankwang · · Score: 2
      > Heating the brain a little is how it does [sharpen the sense].

      The (Dutch) summary given by the researchers says:

      The TNO study has been carried out with low field strengths, comparable to those from a base station to which one can maximally be exposed to in daily situations. Computer calculations show that it is unlikely that the statistically significant effects, as found in this study, are of thermal origin.
      Note: "low field strengths" means "low comparable to the high strengths in the case you are holding a phone next to your ear", according to the paper.

      The paper mentions statistically significant effects on 72 persons. That must be pretty big differences. However, the paper nowhere mentions whether the experiment was actually (double)-blinded. TNO is a reputable organization, but I wouldn't take the conclusions for granted without reading the details of the study. A few years ago, a brand of liquid laundry detergent announced in a TV commercial that this detergent was better than all the others according to a TNO study. The ad didn't mention that the study only compared liquid detergents, which are overall worse than powder-type detergents.

    9. Re:I, for one... by MCZapf · · Score: 2, Informative

      Ummmm, the temperature where vira die is probably more like 200 degrees (Fahrenheit), rather than 100.

    10. Re:I, for one... by The+Lynxpro · · Score: 1

      "Heating the brain a little is how it does it. Some of the body's subsystems work more efficiently when warmer than normal operating temperature"

      Leave it to a Slashdot reader to suggest overclocking the human brain for better performance... :)

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    11. Re:I, for one... by stoicfaux · · Score: 1

      > Cell phone *sharpens* the senses? Seems just a
      > little crazy to me

      It's a stress induced thing. You have this little contraption that can go off at anytime without warning. You can be in your happy place and all of a sudden, a loud noise (a charging, screaming animal) or a vibrating thing (a huge bug trying to claw it's way into your flesh) attacks you and your body has to react suddenly. Your adrenaline goes up, your body's senses and mind sharpen, etc etc etc.

      People's bodies have probably been conditioned by the radio waves to put themselves into a perpetual stress loop, constantly on the alert for a charging, clawing animal/bug/cell phone.

      Just my unproven, crack inspired theory. YMMV.

    12. Re:I, for one... by HeghmoH · · Score: 1

      Yeah, because the one milliwatt of absorbed radiation is really going to make a temperature difference in your skull against the couple hundred watts of background heat from the body.

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    13. Re:I, for one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So while one part of your brain may work better when a little warmer, there's no telling what the long term effects might be on other parts.

      If you are referring to physical parts of the brain, that has little to do with this study, in which the bodies of the subjects are irradiated uniformly. (This is why the article says it mimicked a 3G base station --- not a handset.)

  19. Balancing while wretching by krypticide · · Score: 1

    How can one be able to recall anything from memory when you're nauseous and perhaps vomiting? Maybe you can spell out the answer with your heaves...

  20. Sound like a pharmaceutical comercial by ArmenTanzarian · · Score: 1

    May cause itchiness, rashes, nausea, bloating... Side effects also common in use of the sugar wave. Use only as directed.

  21. They must be talking to my ex-girlfriends... by Bendebecker · · Score: 1

    Everytime I talk to them on my cellphone I get headaches too.

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    1. Re:They must be talking to my ex-girlfriends... by Bendebecker · · Score: 4, Funny

      It also sharpens my memory... I remember why I broke up with them!

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    2. Re:They must be talking to my ex-girlfriends... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      don't lie to us, you've never had a girlfriend.

    3. Re:They must be talking to my ex-girlfriends... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      It also sharpens my memory... I remember why I broke up with them!

      Sure it wasn't them breaking up with you because of those quicker 'reaction times', Mr. One-minute show? ;)

      -T

  22. I hear 'em by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To be honest, my head hurts when I am on my cell phone. In fact, I can "feel" something when I put it near my head. Not sure if it is bad for me, but it does hurt a bit.

  23. Quicker reaction times...egads by chia_monkey · · Score: 1

    "subjects had better memory and reaction times"

    Oh great. Does that mean all those soccer moms driving around in their Ticonderoga Class SUVs chatting away on the phone will get into accidents quicker now? Yay! "I'm just out shopping. I've got a splitting headache though. Oh look, I just ran over a small car. Quick! Get out of here!" Egads...

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    1. Re:Quicker reaction times...egads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
      Does that mean all those soccer moms driving around in their Ticonderoga Class SUVs chatting away on the phone will get into accidents quicker now?

      Your unfunny joke makes no sense. Faster reaction times would reduce the number of accidents.

    2. Re:Quicker reaction times...egads by toddestan · · Score: 1

      The distraction caused by a cellphone when driving will far outweigh any benifits that having 3G waves beamed through your head will give you.

      This is great. Not only do we have to put up with drivers talking on cellphones, we now have to put up with them thinking they are better drivers because of it.

    3. Re:Quicker reaction times...egads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've never really seen the downside to talking on a cell-phone while driving. Dialing a number, reading data on the phone, etc-- yes those can be bad, but the simple act of talking is really not much different from activities performed in cars for many years. I tire quickly of those trying to make in sound evil, and am also weary of those attacking "soccer mom's" (no I'm not one)-- those attacks and stereotypes are just childish.

  24. Link to the report (in Dutch) by DeBaas · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://www.tno.nl/nieuws/archief/documenten/tno_fe l_report_03148mu.pdf

    TNO is the Dutch equivalent of the German TUV if I'm not mistaken. A very respected institute in the Netherlands

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    1. Re:Link to the report (in Dutch) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      TNO is the Dutch equivalent of the German TUV if I'm not mistaken. A very respected institute in the Netherlands.

      Wow, respected in the Netherlands? Isn't that like saying 'It's the best restaurant in all of England?'
      I mean, no matter how you dress it up, english food still sucks and the Netherlands have no science.

    2. Re:Link to the report (in Dutch) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      the Netherlands have no science

      So who invented the compact cassette, the original video video tape, and the CD?

    3. Re:Link to the report (in Dutch) by jeorgen · · Score: 3, Funny
      TNO is the Dutch equivalent of the German TUV if I'm not mistaken. A very respected institute in the Netherlands

      Not everyone on slashdot may know what the TNO and TUV is. To clarify it is the Dutch and German equivalent to the Swedish SIS.

      :-)

      /jeorgen

    4. Re:Link to the report (in Dutch) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...you forgot "wooden shoes".

    5. Re:Link to the report (in Dutch) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So who invented the compact cassette, the original video video tape, and the CD?

      Not only have YBT, but who cares who invented those things? No one with any brains uses any of them anymore. Dumbass.

    6. Re:Link to the report (in Dutch) by photonic · · Score: 2, Informative

      Short translation:
      -Two groups of people: 36 who had previously complained about GSM base stations and 36 who didn't.
      -Persons where tested with cognitive tests while being subjected to EM field of GSM/UMTS base-station. Fields where relatively low, comparable to a normal daily exposure (I guess in case you live near a base-station, not like when you stick your head in the antenna).
      -Statistical relevant relations were found between precense of field and 'experienced well-being' and 'results of mental tasks'.
      -Calculated thermal effects are probably to small to be significant.
      -Results are not well understood, more research needed.

      Complot theory:
      They probably measured nothing and just want money for a follow up experiment.

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    7. Re:Link to the report (in Dutch) by ericisbananaman · · Score: 0

      Yeah right english food sucks you burger / chilli dog eating idiot.... that is why some of the finest chef's in recent years come from the UK (and no I am not talking about Jamie Oliver or that fat one who thinks she is a domestic goddess)

    8. Re:Link to the report (in Dutch) by glitch! · · Score: 1

      To clarify it is the Dutch and German equivalent to the Swedish SIS

      Paratroopers?

      That is taking product safety enforcement to a new level...

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    9. Re:Link to the report (in Dutch) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah right english food sucks you burger / chilli dog eating idiot.... that is why some of the finest chef's in recent years come from the UK (and no I am not talking about Jamie Oliver or that fat one who thinks she is a domestic goddess)

      Yeah....that's like the joke I heard about where a man wanted to set up the perfect household, with an English butler, a French chef, a German administrator, and an Italian lover. He instead ended up with the worst household: an English chef, a French butler, a German lover, and an Italian administrator.

      Also, I dine only on the youngest, fattest calves. I have them specially grown for me in a vat. I drink nothing but dewdrops collected by peasants daily. YHBT. Grats.

    10. Re:Link to the report (in Dutch) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      teh japanz0rs

  25. 3G vs. 2G by IAR80 · · Score: 2, Informative

    It has nothing to do with 2G over 3G as a technology in itself. It has to do with power levels and high frequencies. Meanining a 2400bps chanell at 30Ghz and an EIRP of 60dbw will mess you up pretty bad while an 11Mbps 802.11 17dbm at 2.4Mhz would not hurt you.

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    1. Re:3G vs. 2G by Muad'Dave · · Score: 1

      I want a megawatt 30GHz transmitter! Talk about moonbounce - hah! I could do Mars-bounce! (I know you said EIRP - 1W into Arecibo would work).

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    2. Re:3G vs. 2G by IAR80 · · Score: 1

      You could do Mars bounce out of the orbit :)). Actually if it is EIRP is not that much. 1W SSPA and 5m parabolic dish would do the trick.

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  26. Hmmm, I guess that means... by leftie · · Score: 1

    ...the phone makes you puke, but you're a lot more likely to be able to remember you are wearing your best shoes and get your feet out of the way of your projectile vomiting before it splatters said shoes.

  27. Bullshit by ka9dgx · · Score: 1
    Why test the output of the cellular base station? Typical users aren't standing on the cell towers 60 Meters in the air, to get a better connection. This is, at best, a bad experiment. At worst, it's propaganda.

    Why not test the output from a handset? The power levels used in cell phones aren't enough to cause real problems, and thus make for a boring study, that's why.

    I recommend the researchers just stick to the study of extra strength placebos.

    --Mike--

    1. Re:Bullshit by IAR80 · · Score: 1

      Yea. Wear our lead helmet to protect you from those nasty 3G waves and will also enlarge your penis.

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    2. Re:Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      RTFA they simulated base station radiation acros the cell, not at the source itself.

    3. Re:Bullshit by dehuit · · Score: 1
      Why test the output of the cellular base station? Typical users aren't standing on the cell towers 60 Meters in the air, to get a better connection. This is, at best, a bad experiment. At worst, it's propaganda.

      This research is a result of people worried about cell towers on top of their buildings etc.

      I'm sceptical myself about this, but having read the reports in Dutch i must say it looks pretty thorough, certainly not propaganda. For propaganda, the Dutch government would have liked to present other results...

      BTW, the tests were conducted at pretty low field strengths, (1 V/m), so it is a pretty spectaculair result the found a significant outcome out of a test group of 36 people.

    4. Re:Bullshit by bo0ork · · Score: 1
      RTFA, moron.

      "The double-blind laboratory tests -- meaning no one in the survey knew if a base station was transmitting signals or not -- exposed test subjects to levels of radiation average for third generation networks when they become commercial in coming years."

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    5. Re:Bullshit by pacman+on+prozac · · Score: 1

      Typical users aren't standing on the cell towers 60 Meters in the air

      no but they might be living underneath them...

    6. Re:Bullshit by jjeffries · · Score: 1

      There's a cell tower on top of my building. I spend all day within 50 feet of it.

      Consider me interested.

  28. Good and the Bad by mindshadow · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sounds like the movie Phenomenon (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0117333/) to me... great powers and whatnot, but then you only get laid once and die of a brain tumor... no thanks.

    1. Re:Good and the Bad by pablo_max · · Score: 0

      At least you will always remember that you have a brain tumor..so you'd have that going for you, which is nice.

    2. Re:Good and the Bad by k8er · · Score: 1

      great powers and whatnot, but then you only get laid once and die of a brain tumor

      I'll bet that most Slashdotters would consider that an acceptable trade off.

  29. Summary: we can make you smarter, but it'll hurt by inteller · · Score: 1

    I can just see it now, all the mobile companies start selling phones that claim to make you smarter in a particular area. The new Nokia 3666 Math Whiz!

  30. Hmm... by Bvardi · · Score: 1

    Headaches and nausea combined with better memory and reaction times.... finally I can remember just how quickly I'm throwing up!

  31. Can't wait for the 4G waves to come out by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 1

    The 4G waves will enhance previous brainwave mutations by at least 40%, although AMD and Intel are planning to release a similar product by Q4. :) ha ha

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  32. RTFA by $eRvmanIO · · Score: 2, Funny

    Let's see...

    The study, the first of its kind, tested the impact of radiation from base stations used for the current mobile telephone network...

    That's exactly what I do everyday...I hang around cell phone towers everyday to sharpen my memory and response times!

    Riiiigghht

    1. Re:RTFA by bo0ork · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, in case you haven't noticed, cell phone antennas get put up on buildings, and beam right into people's bedrooms. Not intentionally, of course, but since it's not proven dangerous (to the minds of the cellphone companies), they don't give a shit anyway.

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  33. Improved what now? by i0chondriac · · Score: 1

    So it improves memory and reaction times...

    Why can't it make drivers remember to use their freakin' turn signals?

  34. Different modes for different uses by Dan+East · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why is the higher bandwidth needed for voice communication, which is when you are holding the device to the side of your head? Shouldn't the phone be smart enough to fall back on some slower connectivity for voice, and only use the higher speed network for data access? At least you aren't holding the thing next to your brain when you are surfing the web or using it for PDA / laptop connectivity, which is when the bandwidth is needed.

    Dan East

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    1. Re:Different modes for different uses by Wizzy+Wig · · Score: 1
      Why is the higher bandwidth needed for voice communication,


      You don't get the bandwidth, the network does. More channels available - less congestion on the network.

  35. I don't carrry a cell phone any more... by neilb78 · · Score: 0

    ...but I can't remember why?

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  36. Yeah, right... by KentoNET · · Score: 1

    Explain my grandmother's case then. She talks on her cell all the time and still can't remember half the day. :-P

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    1. Re:Yeah, right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Genetic?

  37. Fools! by kinnell · · Score: 4, Funny

    You all laughed at me and my tinfoil beanie, but who's laughing now? Eh? Eh?

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    1. Re:Fools! by DemonMucha · · Score: 1

      Dohh... God damn scroll mouse!! Forgive me.... it was MEANT to be funny, not troll. If I only didn't use all my moderator points...

    2. Re:Fools! by AchmedHabib · · Score: 1

      We are still laughing but now it is because all of the little blue sparks flying around your tilfoil beanie.

    3. Re:Fools! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Posting to a thread undoes your own moderations anyway (but you don't get the points back...)

  38. since i often carry my phone in my pocket... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Have they done tests to see what other extra benefits they may have? Maybe I can disregard all of that penis enlargement spam.

    1. Re:since i often carry my phone in my pocket... by PsionicMan · · Score: 1

      Yes! The good news is you don't have to worry about condoms anymore.

      The other good news is you won't ever be able to reproduce, which I think we all can agree is a boon to humanity.

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  39. finally vindicated! by Lumpy · · Score: 1

    It also found that those same subjects had better memory and reaction times (conventional cellular networks have the same effect)!"

    Thank you! now I have proof that I am not crazy because I have 6 cellphones duct-taped to my head.

    now I need to tape the article to my chest...

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  40. Better response time by Mephie · · Score: 1
    Maybe that's because of multi-tasking? Back in the day, all you did while you were on the phone was sit around in your living room and maybe watch TV in the background. Now, with cell phones, we talk on the phone while we're walking around, driving, shopping, pretty much everything.

    I'd think that would help reaction times when we're actually focusing on a single task.

  41. I have to wonder by novakane007 · · Score: 1

    Am I the only only that is a bit skeptical of this report? There's never been any conclusive evidence to show that cell phones have an effect on the users brain. I just can't see how this idea would be possible... Maybe if I start using a 3G phone I'll wise up to the theory.

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  42. There ARE several good uses for 3G... by michaelhood · · Score: 1

    Often times I find myself using my phone to..@#$@#$NO CARRIER

  43. I wonder... by kaellinn18 · · Score: 1

    ...if they used the plastic candy filled phones from the drug stores as a kind of technological placebo. I can remember feeling pretty nauseous on some Halloweens where I ate a little too much candy.

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  44. It's True by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 1
    It also found that those same subjects had better memory and reaction times (conventional cellular networks have the same effect)!

    I've known of this effect for some time. That's why I've rigged up a bunch of microwave oven magnetrons in my office for mood lighting.

    I code more effectively, and my gaming skillz have massively improved. The only drawback is that I now give off a strong odor of singed hair, and my fingertips and toes have become somewhat crispy.

  45. Cell phones causing headaches? by dnaboy · · Score: 1

    My boss must have their cell phone number too...

  46. can you hear me now by GillBates0 · · Score: 1
    BLOAAAAAAAARRRRRGH

    --
    An Indian-American Hindu committed to non-violent thought/speech/action alarmed by the global explosion of radical Islam
  47. Your attention please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is stupid.

    Thank you. Move along, please.

  48. But why! by DigitalBubblebath · · Score: 2, Funny

    However, cognitive functions such as memory and response times were boosted by both 3G signals and the current ones, the study found.

    Well fair enough then. That might be true, but I do wonder how and why they decided to test that.

    "Nausea, headaches, loss of appetite ... check.
    Abandonment of self-awareness and general consideration in public places ... check
    Ability to memorise deck of cards ... check
    Limb mutation .. uhh ... check"

  49. I am A FricKin JEAN-YUS! by teamhasnoi · · Score: 2, Funny
    After reading this article, I have attained super-smarts by poining my Airport Extreme Cantenna directly at my frontal lobes.

    I'm getting a nice tan and I know the theories behind it! Wow - did you guys know that you can look at the sun and get the same effect? I have also discovered that my reaction time to getting modded down has been reduced to mere minutes!

    This is truly a golden age, and not some wireless corporation's self-serving sponsored study. Say that 10 times fast - I can!

    I can fly too - you guys gotta try this!!

  50. Yea, right by dimer0 · · Score: 1

    It also found that those same subjects had better memory and reaction times (conventional cellular networks have the same effect)!

    So, cell phone users have better memory and reaction times?

    I would argue this has absolutely nothing to do with the phone itself, rather the fact that people WITHOUT cellphones are, well, either very old, very young, or a bit 'slower' than your normal person.

    Another tainted fact.

  51. hrmm by kisrael · · Score: 1

    I guess it doesn't count as "3G", but for one job in mid-2000 I was playing with this clip-on cellular modem for the Palm, and I found a pretty high correlation to feeling headachey and using the damn thing..can't remember the name of the product though (Hmm! Another symptom?)

    Seriously, I'm a little wary when I read that biologist pointing out that we are essentially conducting a massive study of radiation on humans consisting of the entire population of cellphone users. Maybe we should all get tin hats after all.

    --
    SO YOU'RE GOING TO DIE: The Comic for Dealing with Death
  52. Heacaches by jjmcwill · · Score: 1

    I use a Motorola 120C phone on Verizon.

    I always get headaches when using it as a normal phone pressed up against my ear.

    I now use a hands-free headset as much as possible, just like Maury Ballstein from "Zoolander".

    --
    Opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily those of my employer.
  53. Great.. More junk science.. by brain1 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Great - they're at it again. There is absolutely no proven link between the minute RF field radiated by a handset and health problems. Basically there is too little energy for measurable tissue heating, the electromagnetic field is too weak to induce currents in the brain proper.

    What everyone seems to forget is the fact we live in an ocean of pretty powerful RF energy that ranges from VLF (very low frequency) up to the microwave region (SHF). Every time you turn on an appliance you are exposing yourself to magnetic and RF fields magnitudes greater than that of a cell phone handset. Drive past a broadcast station and you're exposed to a field density measured in volts per meter, not millivolts. To put it perspective, your common FM broadcast station operates between 5 and 100 kilowatts ERP (effective radiated power). A television transmitter can operate up to 2-4 Megawatts of ERP. Where is the uproar over that?

    Your common cellphone operates at a modest 3 watts (for car-mounted 800 mhz units) to a puny .1 to 100 milliwatts for the hand-held PCS units. That's barely enough to dimly light a flashlight bulb.

    Remember these facts: You live in an ocean of electromagnetic energy. A bolt of lightning radiates tremendous RF energy. Mother earth gives off VLF emissions herself. The sun bathes you in RF in the microwave region. And have you cleaned those gaskets around the door of your microwave oven? It operates at 800 to 1000 watts of power at 2.4 GHz. All it takes is a grungy gasket or a bent door and your taking on watts of very effective heating.

    I am the holder of a First Class FCC license, an Extra Class amateur license, and have worked with broadcast, land mobile, fixed service, radar, and amateur radio for decades. I have never experienced, nor have I ever encountered anyone who has experienced a health related problems for working in a high RF field. People are more likely to be injured from high voltage, burns, and mechanical means.

    Please stop trying to get funding by spreading this faux academic nonsense. Quit manipulating data to make yourselves look right and then run out and cry the sky is falling. We're all tired of this and have heard quite enough.

    1. Re:Great.. More junk science.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Until you take the time to learn enough of the biology of EMF influence on cellular metabolism to present a viable argument either way-

      Take your middle-aged, male, "...that's just the way it is, dammit", know-it-all, "..I ben hittn' myself in the head with hammurs fo' yeers an ther's nuthin rong wit me!" attitude and go play happily in the fog behind the bug-spraying truck.

      When you're done, read this:
      http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=80650&t hreshol d=0&commentsort=1&tid=193&mode=thread&cid=7103 666

    2. Re:Great.. More junk science.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are not talking about the handsets here...

    3. Re:Great.. More junk science.. by Troed · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I work in the telecom industry. Last year when I started an assignment at one of the 3G-equipment manufacturers (where there is an active 3G network) I started having problems feeling "blanked out" in the afternoons. I couldn't explain it, tried different eating habits, excercising and working out. No go. When that assignment ended, the problems ended.

      I'm now on an assignment where I work with 3G again - and while I still feel the same way occassionally, it's not as bad. It _does_ happen though - and up until today when I saw this piece of research I hadn't even thought about 3G being the culprit (I, as you, know that we live in an ocean of radiation already).

      It's a nice explanation that fit what I've experienced myself though. In addition the feeling "blanked out" (sorry, it's hard to describe) my migraine did/has also gotten worse (at least once a week I go home from work with a migraine attack in the works. Sometimes more often).


      Idiotic replies not welcome - if you don't have migraine you have no idea ...

    4. Re:Great.. More junk science.. by cookie_cutter · · Score: 1
      Great - they're at it again.

      Yes, it's always easy to blame it on "them"

      There is absolutely no proven link between the minute RF field radiated by a handset and health problems.

      This study indicates otherwise. If by "link" you mean plausible mechanism, you're right, there is no defined mechanism for how RF radiation could cause these kind's of symptoms; However, a hypothesis for a mechanism on how RF can cause these symptoms is not necessary to show that their is a causal relationship. For that, all one needs is a controlled double blind experiment showing that the test group is effected, which this study does. The mechanism can be investigated later.

      Remember these facts: You live in an ocean of electromagnetic energy.

      It's not only how much radiation one is exposed to, but also what types. The same dose of gamma rays and infrared will have radically different effects(one will give you cancer, the other will warm your skin).

      I have never experienced, nor have I ever encountered anyone who has experienced a health related problems for working in a high RF field.

      Anecdotal evidence is not a basis for a scientific conclusion. One's mileage may vary with these effects(if they exist).

    5. Re:Great.. More junk science.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are not talking about handsets but 3G antennas. There is a bit more power involved than the mere 3 watts youre talking about.

      (I'm sorry I broke a Slashdot rule by actually reading the paper before posting. I promise it will not happen again:)

    6. Re:Great.. More junk science.. by pavon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How is this junk science? A reputable institution performed a double-blind test of new equipment, and found it to have statistically meaningful effects. They acknowledged that the old cell towers were not harmfull to people, and even used them as a control (or baseline) to compare these new towers against. They acknowleged that they have no proof of perminant damage, and recomend that indepenant research be done to verify and extend their own. This sounds like a text-book example of good science to me.

      These tests were not about handsets, and they made no claims that handsets were dangerous. The only effect that this study might have is in determining the placement of towers, so people don't have to spend large amounts of time in their immediate proximity. For example, in rural area many cell towers have been placed in church steeples because they are high points, and it is less expensive and less ugly than building a tower. Now, it would be nice to know if these new base stations will have an unplesent effect on people before they are installed.

      It is really the media, not the institutions, that are to blame for the unjustified hysteria, which resulted in needing to do more work than necissary to quell peoples concerns. But I for one am glad that studies have been done to show that cell phones are safe, and am glad for new studies when new equipment comes out. Emperical data is always good, and assuming that there is no possibility that different RF techniques can have different effects than the ones we are familiar with is almost as bad unbased claims that new technology will cause cancer. (Althogh not as bad as saying that old, tested technology does)

    7. Re:Great.. More junk science.. by obi · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but people in general don't hold microwave units, fm broadcast transmitter, or television transmitter next to their ears for hours a day.

      I agree the wattage are really low (I thought 2G was around 3W, i was surprised about the .1 - 100 milliwats), and probably won't affect people at all. At the same time, I do hope that the units will evolve to need less power over time, at the very least it's good for battery life.

      Personally I don't think it has a substantial effect on people. But that doesn't stop me from wanting to find out - it is probably hard to do so, but it'd be good to know what effects if any, EM radiation has on bodies; with more and more technologies like 802.11b/a/g/..., UWB and 3G increasing this "ocean of EM energy", it is important to know. And who knows, maybe, just maybe, in the process we might even be able to put these potentially harmful effects to good use (for medical purposes, etc)

      So to studies like this: bring it on, the more information there is to analyze, the better.

    8. Re:Great.. More junk science.. by The+Lynxpro · · Score: 1

      "Great - they're at it again. There is absolutely no proven link between the minute RF field radiated by a handset and health problems."

      That's really funny. I get splitting headaches from using a Nokia 3390 (2G) for more than a few minutes. The headaches got so bad that last year I went to my doctor and told him what was going on. The next thing I know, I'm scheduled for a CAT scan to see if I have any tumors and it is being paid for by an unmentioned source. While I didn't have any tumors, I stopped using that cell phone shortly thereafter. I don't develop any headaches from my 2.4Ghz Uniden cordless phone.

      And continuing on with the "junk science" tirade, I guess you haven't read any of the lawsuits against the cell phone companies from the families of deceased people who used cell phones and developed tumors in exactly the spot pertaining to where the antenna was. Is that junk science? You know, for people who have used microwave ovens for 50 some years since their introduction, I haven't heard of one case of a person dying with a tumor shaped like a microwave oven...

      Using your logic because studies paid for by the cell phone companies haven't proven a link with tumors, maybe we should nuke the planet just to see if it really would cause a nuclear winter because its only a theory currently and we need to prove something concretely to dissuade such behavior. Or, on the less dramatic side, how about some information from cigarette smoking studies paid for by the Tobacco Companies? I bet they'll tell you that smoking is good for you! Or, how about the fact that autism rates have jumped sky-high in California during the same time period that MTBE was introduced into our gasoline and subsequently contaminated water supplies throughout the State?

      --
      "Right now, somewhere in this world, Scott Baio is plowing a woman he doesn't love," - Peter Griffin, *Family Guy*
    9. Re:Great.. More junk science.. by Abcd1234 · · Score: 1

      to show that their is a causal relationship.

      Careful. By definition, a study like this can NOT show a causal relationship. This study shows a *correlation*, and that is all. The only way to prove causation is by determining *how* the emissions from a cell tower could affect the subjects, and then proving that that's what's happening.

      Of course, that doesn't make this study any less useful or significant. Just be careful when you start talking about causation... otherwise you're no better than the average US news organization. :)

    10. Re:Great.. More junk science.. by rnd() · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How does the rubber gasket on a Microwave Oven door block RF? I'm also an Extra Class ham and that'd be a new concept for me.

      --

      Amazing magic tricks

    11. Re:Great.. More junk science.. by SeattleGameboy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think you are bit premature in judging that this study is valid.

      As you probably already know, science works by verification and reproducibility. A single lab is making a conjecture based on "surveys". Unless the results can be replicated by an independent lab, we cannot be certain of anything.

      And I wouldn't put too much on "double-blind" claims. There are many papers that claim double-blind methods but in closer inspection the claim fails (one of the most recent example is the one about how prayer actually helped healing). Again, unless it is verified and replicated, it does not mean much.

      Is it Junk Science? Maybe maybe not. What is junk is for media to claim that something is true based on a single unverified, non-corraborated) study.

    12. Re:Great.. More junk science.. by BranMan · · Score: 1

      It doesn't - there is a metal mesh through the glass of the door. In effect it creates a metal cage around the microwave source so that any single hole (as in the mesh) is too small to let a wavelength of the microwaves out.

    13. Re:Great.. More junk science.. by rnd() · · Score: 1

      Uh. I realize that, but the parent post to mine referred to the gasket...

      --

      Amazing magic tricks

    14. Re:Great.. More junk science.. by brain1 · · Score: 1

      Sorry I even bothered posting. Seems I dont hold a popular position as I have been taken to task by an endless parade of drivel. Dont worry, I wont be back.

    15. Re:Great.. More junk science.. by BranMan · · Score: 1

      But the gasket is metalized too, so it just forms part of the cage for the microwaves

    16. Re:Great.. More junk science.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Absolutely.

      Actually, this article reminds me of an article I read on inducing autism like abilities through magnetic fields. Basically, the researcher could dramatically improve learning speed and specialized cognitive function through the use of controlled magnetic fields (the effects were temporary lasting only until the fields were removed).

      I read this a few months ago, but alas I have no link... now if only I had been using a 3G phone at the time...

    17. Re:Great.. More junk science.. by Thing+1 · · Score: 1
      For example, in rural area many cell towers have been placed in church steeples because they are high points, and it is less expensive and less ugly than building a tower.

      So... Is it the "spirit of God" that you're feeling? Or is it just residual effects from the cell tower?

      --
      I feel fantastic, and I'm still alive.
    18. Re:Great.. More junk science.. by Peristaltic · · Score: 1
      Actually, after reading your first post, then reading some of the replies ( particularly the linked article here-> http://www.geocities.com/the_fantastic_lad//cyclot ronic_resonance.htm ), then reading "...an endless parade of drivel. Dont worry I wont be back." above, maybe it's a good thing you won't be back.

      Sure, some replies were crappy, but so what? Some of them presented a better set of facts than you managed to- And instead of rebutting with facts of your own, you instead got your whiny, "You're not going to have me to push around anymore" thang going.

      Sorry (sort of) about the direct attack, but if you're going to open your mouth, especially around here, grow a pair and stand behind your verbage, pal.

    19. Re:Great.. More junk science.. by uptownguy · · Score: 1

      I read this a few months ago, but alas I have no link

      Alas, the NYT site requires you to pay for the archived article, but lookie here.

      (PS: Is there anything Google can't do?)

      --


      I would have to say that explosives are the most abused technology in all of history.
    20. Re:Great.. More junk science.. by cookie_cutter · · Score: 1
      Careful. By definition, a study like this can NOT show a causal relationship. This study shows a *correlation*, and that is all.

      Actually, this is exactly the type of study which is necessary to show causation. The results do show causation, as they performed a controlled double blind study; ie the only difference between the control group and the test group was exposure to the radiation, so their symptoms could only have been caused by the radiation.

      The only way to prove causation is by determining *how* the emissions from a cell tower could affect the subjects

      I'm afraid it is you who are mistaken. To show that causation occurs it is not necessary to propose a mechanism for the causative effect.

      For example: to prove that pointing a loaded gun at a logic textbook and pulling the trigger causes a hole to form in the textbook, all I need to do is run a controlled experiment and show that holes form in the test group textbooks more than in the control group textbooks to a statistically significant degree. I do not need any model as to how the gun achieves the effect.

    21. Re:Great.. More junk science.. by brain1 · · Score: 1

      I blew my stack because I didnt think that I was going to be flamed at the infantile level I was. I am not some crackpot, I feel I am educated and know what I am talking about. And I welcome open discussion. But to have some idiot make insulting childish flame-war comments put me over the edge.

      I used to read and post here as I enjoyed the discussion. But if you read some of the comments, they were frankly, disgusting. I have a choice with whom I associate with, and what I do, and I choose here to shake my head in disgust and leave it to them. That's my perogative. My blood pressure is high enough already, and I dont need anything else driving it higher. But thanks for the comments. I let my anger get the best of me.

      Cheers!

  54. iw as going to comment about weed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but i forgot what i was going to say

  55. Now aren't we gald we let them test these out? by kabocox · · Score: 1

    Thank you Europeans, Japanese, South Koreans for testing out all the new high tech toys. It's good letting others do the testing that way we get 3rd or 4th generation tech relatively debugged by the rest of the world. Of course now we my have to read a few additional languages.

  56. Bullshit. by Eric_Cartman_South_P · · Score: 1
    I've got a 3G phone next to the laptop I'm typing this post on, and I live about a mile from a 3G tower. And my brain works just fine! I've also got a 3G phone too, and next to the laptop I'm typing on there are no problems. I also live next to a 3G tower and my 3G phone connects to it. I'm also next to the 3G tower and my laptop is also... uh... blood... dripping from nose... help. Please help me.

  57. please dont jump to conclusions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    (bil|tr)llion dollar companies might get upset if this is true, expect more studies to find the opposite of course

    in other news recent studies also found Microsoft systems are highly secure and there is nothing wrong with Ford vans or Firestone tyres...oh wait

  58. Microsoft software is secure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    see how science works when the concerned companies have a financial influence in studies, they always seem to get the results they paid for

  59. Can you hear me now??? by seater · · Score: 1

    Can you hear me now?
    good
    Can you hear me now?
    good.
    I'm getting kind of nausious.
    Can you hear me now?
    good.
    Severe acute pain in my head...
    Can you...
    what was I doing????

  60. tumors and cell phones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i remember when my father was being a jerk and to "bring us back together" he told me he might have a tumor on the side of his waist he carries his cell phone on. i was like "you f-ing deserve it, most likely you yapping on the cell phone about what hot shit you aint"

    well... i found it funny.

  61. Attn: Heinlein geeks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is anyone else having flashbacks to "Waldo", and specifically the discovery that their technology for transmitting power through the air was having a subtle (or in a few cases, not-so-subtle) cumulative negative impact on human health?

  62. The problems with this report... by Angostura · · Score: 1
    It's interesting, but it raises a whole heap of questions that need to be answered. Given that 2G doesn't have the same effects:

    Are the differential effects due to differences in base station power output, frequencies used or (unlikely) the coding system.

  63. Oh Goodie... by fataugie · · Score: 0, Troll

    Now all those fucking Soccer Moms talking on the cell phones may actually become better drivers (increased mental sharpness, faster reaction times).

    --

    WTF? Over?

    1. Re:Oh Goodie... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OK, trying to get you a +5, Troll moderation. I think you deserve it :-)

  64. Part of the reason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful
    There are other intracellular effects to be sure, but as is the case with many different types of EMF exposure, calcium ion transport is greatly affected (increased).

    Long-term systemic effects of this activity are unkown- It could be trivial, or the situation could be an analogue to the introduction of DDT in the previous century, when the substance was considered safe and effective- Measured evidence to the contrary wasn't presented for many years, and then in the face of great controversy.

    The bottom line is that anyone who makes a definitive stand one way or another is a fool.

  65. works for me by djtack · · Score: 1

    Heating the brain a little is how it does it.

    Yes, this is true. Why do you think every report dicussing the safety of human exposure to microwave radiation claims "no non-thermal effects"? (Although more recently, there has been evidence that microwaves can break DNA.)

    I used to do this in college during exams (a trick I learned from a biochemist friend). Wear lightweight clothes and take your shoes off, to keep your core temp down (I feel sleepy if my core temp gets too high), and a warm hat to keep your brain slightly warmer. It really is like overclocking your brain!

  66. maybe not radio waves by angryelephant · · Score: 1

    Being harassed by researchers while talking on the phone caused headaches in 37% of test subjects.

  67. yeah right by john_uy · · Score: 1

    exposure to 3g leads to nausea and headaches of too much bad service and network of the telco company.

    of course, they will have better memory and reaction times after being able to talk though the entire customer service, billing, and network departments.

    oh the reaction times improve dramatically by being fast enough to redial to get through. an added bonus for practice will be to dial their ivrs line!

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    Live your life each day as if it was your last.
  68. For increased alertness... by dos4who · · Score: 1

    Amsterdamians should lay off the weed and try cocaine instead! THEN see those response times spike!

    --
    "Yes, I have a Disaster Recovery Plan. It's called my Resume"
  69. Causality by SLOGEN · · Score: 1

    I severely doubt that any positive effects on memory and reaction times is _caused_ by wireless phones.

    Actually (at least in europe), there are demographic differences between cell-phoners and the rest.

    One difference being that younger people are over-overrepresented in the set of cell-phoners ...accidentaly, young persons are documented to have better memory and reaction time than average people :)

    --
    SLOGEN [ http://ungdomshus.nu : Sebastian cover music]
  70. Early warning signs by pair-a-noyd · · Score: 1

    "those same subjects had better memory and reaction times"

    This is what happens, JUST BEFORE YOUR HEAD BURSTS INTO FLAME!

    They can not prove what will happen to people over many years of being exposed to constant radiation. All of this radio, TV, cell phone, etc, etc, radiation is new, on the evolutionary scale to the human being.

    We live in a sea of radiation. It's little wonder people go postal, what with their brains being cooked 24 hours a day.

    Radiation has effects on living things. No one can say or prove that ANY of it is positive, outside of a *little* solar radiation, and even that is dangerous too.

    As this 3G radiation cooks people off into psychotic episodes you'll see. And watch the cancer rates skyrocket..

  71. Confusing cause and effect... by Rorschach1 · · Score: 1

    You see, it's actually a matter of natural selection. Those using the phones who DIDN'T have above-average reaction times, are now dead from auto accidents.

  72. Correlation v. Causation by maomoondog · · Score: 1

    Can anyone who reads Dutch tell if they controlled the study with people who were exposed to 3G but don't actually use it? Seems to me 3G was probably installed mainly in areas where people are: busy -> stressed -> headachy, nauseous, and pretty organized and with good memory.

    1. Re:Correlation v. Causation by maomoondog · · Score: 1

      duh.. the wired article says it was a double blind lab experiment. nevermind!

  73. Just great. by Zan+Zu+from+Eridu · · Score: 1
    In 2000, the dutch government auctioned UMTS frequencies for a grand total of 2.65 bn. euros to several telcos (while they estimated to get up to 10 bn. euros). Now, 3 years later, the dutch government finds out UMTS is a health risk.

    This leaves me wondering just how much this fiasco is going to cost me as a dutch citizen, because surely the telcos will demand compensation.

    By the way, the Netherlands isn't the only country that auctioned UMTS freqs. for billions by far. If this study is repeated and proves to be correct, this could mean financial repercussions for a lot of governments.

  74. that's incorrect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're all over the map. First you say heating the brain makes it work better, then you say that the point of a fever is to raise your temp so the rest of your body works better although it might cook your brain.

    So which is it? Does the brain work better or worse at higher temps?

    Here's the answer: this is all crap.

    Your body raises your body temp sometimes when you are sick to try to hurt the bacteria it is fighting. Obviously the bacteria does well at 98.6 since that's the environment under which it entered the body and bred to a large culture in the first place. It's also the environment it came from in the last host. So raising the body temp puts the bacteria ourside its optimal envelope.

    It hurts the bacteria. It hurts your body too (ever notice you feel like shit when you have a fever?) but your body cells are presumably replenished by your bodies' support structure while the bacteria have to look out for themselves.

    1. Re:that's incorrect by sql*kitten · · Score: 1

      You're all over the map. First you say heating the brain makes it work better, then you say that the point of a fever is to raise your temp so the rest of your body works better although it might cook your brain.

      Heating it a little seems to help - heating too much damages it.

      It hurts the bacteria.

      The rationale is, who needs a brain if the body is dead? So let's risk a little brain damage and optimize for fighting infection. So we cool the heads of people with fevers and let it run its course, usually, unless there is risk to another organ.

  75. Here's the real text... by gillbates · · Score: 1

    In one episode of 'Cheers', Cliff is seated at the bar describing the
    Buffalo Theory to his buddy, Norm. (I don't think I've ever heard the
    concept explained any better than this....)

    "Well you see, Norm, it's like this... A herd of buffalo can only move as
    fast as the slowest buffalo. And when the herd is hunted, it is the slowest
    and weakest ones at the back that are killed first. This natural selection
    is good for the herd as a whole, because the general speed and health of the
    whole group keeps improving by the regular killing of the weakest members.
    In much the same way, the human brain can only operate as fast as the
    slowest brain cells.

    Now, as we know, excessive intake of alcohol kills brain cells. But
    naturally, it attacks the slowest and weakest brain cells first. In this
    way, regular consumption of beer eliminates the weaker brain cells, making
    the brain a faster and more efficient machine. And that, Norm, is why you
    always feel smarter after a few beers."

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  76. Wow that is stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The small power output of a cell phone isnt sufficient to heat your cells.

  77. How close were the people to the base stations? by cyberformer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Base stations can be dangerous things, but the received radiation diminishes very rapidly with distance (inverse square law). That's why it's critical to know just how far away the people were from the base stations, and the news reports don't say this.

    If you hold your head directly in front of a microwave transmitter (even a 2G one), you're going to experience some bad effects. If you stand at the bottom of a hill and the transmitter is on top, you should be okay.

  78. A memory booster? by retro128 · · Score: 1

    3G Waves Causes Headaches, Sharpens Memory

    The scientific accomplishment here is not that 3G waves cause this problem, it's that when people are faced with expanded mental capacity they get headaches, like an overclocked chip getting thermal burnout.

    Scientific evidence that people aren't used to thinking!

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    -R
  79. That old argument is/has always been wrong. by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 2, Informative
    But don't feel bad. It's the same one the Air Force was selling to its soldiers who worked the early radar arrays, and its the first line of defense which was adopted and which has been used ever since by big business and the government. The argument being, "If the power is too low to cause damage through heating, then there is no danger."

    If only this were true!

    There is a mountain of science which has recognized the following. . .

    1. Biological nervous systems are electrochemical in nature. This is why EEG scanners work; they are able to pick up on EM activity generated by the brain. This being the case, electromagnetic signals MUST be able to also cause an effect. --To be very blunt, speakers and microphones are interchangeable.

    2. There are documented mechanisms through which low power, non-ionizing EM fields can affect the function of the nervous system.

    3. Very small currents are all that are needed to causes these effects.

    4. High frequency signals which are modulated to replicate lower frequencies, (As seen in Cell phone technology), are sufficient to cause effects.

    5. The ocean of EM we live in DOES have an effect. Sleep, reproductive and various other biological cycles have been shown to be deeply affected, and often reliant upon ambient EM from the Earth and sky.

    Here's an article with some photos of slices of brain tissue taken from rats exposed to cell phone EM. The effects are real.


    -FL

    1. Re:That old argument is/has always been wrong. by taniwha · · Score: 1
      Biological nervous systems are electrochemical in nature. This is why EEG scanners work; they are able to pick up on EM activity generated by the brain. This being the case, electromagnetic signals MUST be able to also cause an effect. --To be very blunt, speakers and microphones are interchangeable. Why I mostly agree with you in your scepticism of the safety of some heavy EM exposure - I have to call you on this one - just because some microphones work theame ways as some speakers (electic current causes magnetic field in coil causes magnet on cone to move causes sound waves vs sound waves move magnet on cone causes magnetic field induces current in coil) it doesn't mean that this is always true.

      Just because cells cause chemical reactions at the surfaces of nerve cells cause electrical fields between them doesn't mean that electromagnetic fields cause those same chemical reactions to occur in reverse (the laws of thermodynamics are not on your side).

      Certainly exposure to EM causes some effects - stand out in the sun an your head will get warm - but if it were truely a 2 way street with things working interchangeably then after half an hour in the sun your head would glow when you go into a dark room.

      In reality entropy kicks in, most EM turns into heat, which does effect you, higher level sorts of things (inducing 'currents' in nerves that do more than override the SNR in the system for example) are going to be pretty unlikely (I'm not saying impossible, just unlikely)

  80. In other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Studies have shown that reading /. can cause nausea, headaches, and. . .


    and. . .


    impotence!

  81. Old news by castrox · · Score: 1

    I have no source to this, but I remember a study that showed this some 2-3 years ago. The study also showed that after a while the body/brain had reached its peak in "performance" (better reaction times and better memory) and began to decline.

    The study focused on one man who had used an old version of mobile system (the kind that's not very mobile at all) which gave out heavy radiation - much worse than today's mobile cellulars. He had serious problems remembering simple facts and his reactions to outer stimuli was very poor. Otoh he had used this cellular some 3 years.

    As I said; I have no reference to this study, you'd have to take my word for it. My word counts by the way.

    So don't happily go call all your friends thinking you'll one day be able to beat Neo.

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    Fight for your digital freedom, join the EFF *now*: http://www.eff.org/support/
  82. My Tin-foil hat and Lawyers will protect me. by HighOrbit · · Score: 1

    So... all us people with tin-foil hats aren't so crazy afterall.

    Seriously though, I can just see the lawyers falling all over themselves to be the first through the courthouse door with a class action law-suit for the residents who live within X-mile radius of the towers. This will be bigger with the lawyers than listening to police scanners and chasing ambulances. Cell-phone companys almost always have deep pockets to pick. Cha-Ching Cha-Ching!

  83. another article, more details by kaan · · Score: 1

    found this article at CNN. it's article also brief, but has more info than the article in the /. story. anyway, here 'tis:

    AMSTERDAM (Reuters) -- Radio signals for the next generation of mobile phone services can cause headaches and nausea, according to a study conducted by three Dutch ministries.

    The study, the first of its kind, compared the impact of radiation from base stations used for the current mobile telephone network with that of base stations for new third generation (3G) networks for fast data transfer, which will enable services such as video conferencing on a mobile device.

    A base station, which usually covers a "cell" area of several square kilometers (miles), transmits signals to mobile phones with an electromagnetic field.

    "If the test group was exposed to third generation base station signals there was a significant impact ... They felt tingling sensations, got headaches and felt nauseous," a spokeswoman for the Dutch Economics Ministry said.

    There was no negative impact from signals for current mobile networks.

    However, cognitive functions such as memory and response times were boosted by both 3G signals and the current signals, the study found. It said people became more alert when they were exposed to both.

    Government ministers responsible for Economic Affairs, Health and Telecommunications said follow-up research was needed to confirm the findings as well as to look at any longer-term health effects and biological causes.

    They will also discuss the study with the European Commission, the spokeswoman said.

    The double-blind laboratory tests -- meaning no one in the survey knew if a 3G-like base station was actually transmitting signals -- exposed test subjects to expected levels of average radiation for 3G networks when they become commercial.

    The GSM Association, a global organization of mobile telecommunications operators, said it was studying the report and could not comment.

    The study, conducted by the Dutch technological research institute TNO, was the first to look for an impact of mobile telephones on well-being. It was also the first study to find a statistically significant negative impact from 3G base stations.

    Previous research on a negative health impact of mobile phones, mostly second-generation, has been inconclusive.

    Existing research gives no scientific evidence that second-generation phones cause brain tumors, while a long-term study by the International Agency on Research on Cancer is not expected to yield results before 2004.

    Previous research did find an impact on cognitive functions, which was also found in the Dutch survey. But TNO noted that earlier studies always measured the impact of cellphones held close to the head, causing high fields of radiation close to the ear and warming of the brain.

    TNO's study used lower a dose of radiation to mimic base station signals rather than handsets.

    Handsets emit stronger radiation when they are used, while base stations transmit more constant levels of radio signals, exposing everyone within range.

  84. Apply Ockham's Razor principle by peadot · · Score: 1
    Is it me or could there be a simpler explanation?
    1. Headaches -- people calling every 20 seconds would to that to ya. Talking on the phone 16 hrs a day as well.
    2. Better memory -- on the other hand, the little features like calendar, reminders, etc. might help one's forgetfulness. Hmmm...
  85. Electromagnetic Field Bar by holland_g · · Score: 1
    And you thought oxygen bars in LA were wierd when they first came out, put a 3G basestation next to the 02 tank.

    This new bar would offer the benefits of o2, botox, and 3G networks in one place.

    Add a little pot smoke in there to combat the nasea and it should make that trip to Rodeo Dr. that much easier.

    --
    Holland
  86. Arch-Villan for the new Millenium by chinton · · Score: 1
    Karl Laputnik, former manager of the Verizon kiosk in the Metropolis Mall, was subjected to high doses of verizions while trying to recharge his cel phone battery in the microwave.

    As a result of this exposure, he became DOCTOR WIRELESS! Dr. Wireless, feared enemy to all that is good and right, can render event the stoutest of men INCAPACITATED with his 3G WAVES! One blast from these wave will leave his victims incapacitated with NAUSEA and HEADACHES! The effects of these attacks don't stop there. The effects linger on FOREVER as the victims are cursed NEVER TO FORGET this encounter!

  87. What about audio effects? by belrick · · Score: 1

    Why would you assume it is the radio waves? Maybe the effect is caused by some property of the audio. For example, lag. For example end-to-end echo. Have they done the test where they simulate the digital audio exactly but with wired connections to prove or disprove the radio link?

    1. Re:What about audio effects? by Doc+Scratchnsniff · · Score: 1
      Because, as the summary fails to make clear, the study was of the effect of the base stations on people, not the phones. As far as I can tell in the article, the subjects were not even using phones. It seems difficult to believe that
      ... no one in the survey knew if a base station was transmitting signals or not...
      if only half the subjects could hear anything through their phones.
  88. There are plenty of Radio Sources by Bruha · · Score: 1

    Sattelite, AM, FM, UHF, TV, Power Lines.. it's a sea of radio waves. There is no way to isolate anyone to study the effects of any frequency of radio waves. So at best these studies are unscientfic and only serve those who think they can sue the wireless companies becuase they feel sick. When there are pleny of sources.

    1. Re:There are plenty of Radio Sources by Doc+Scratchnsniff · · Score: 1

      Hmmm... I wonder if we can sue those _other_ radio sources because they aren't making us think faster or remember better.

  89. Re:Great.. More junk science.. NOT. by Stormbringer · · Score: 1

    Sorry, but this Advanced-class ham has to disagree with you, based on personal experience and observation.

    I have never experienced, nor have I ever encountered anyone who has experienced a health related problems for working in a high RF field.

    Back in the late 70's - early 80's when I was getting into ham radio, QST was warning that the deaths due to leukemia in the Amateur community were four times the national average.

    You live in an ocean of electromagnetic energy.

    I'm very aware of it, thank you: I'm an RF sensitive. I found out that delightful fact about myself back in '78 at a Novice class held in a large cafeteria. They hung a 10-meter dipole at one end of the hall and loaded up an FT-101 into it to find a sample QSO. I got a sudden fierce headache and had to retreat to the other end of the room.

    I could handle five watts of HF without nervous-system discomfort; I already knew that from my CB days. When I got my ticket, I stayed QRPp for that reason.

    Whatever the physical basis is for the effect, it's frequency-related. A handheld CB at 27 MHz didn't bother me much at all, but even a watt is too much up at 2 meters. After a 10-minute QSO using a TH-21AT and a rubber duckie near the head, my eyes have that "all day in the beach sun" feeling and my thinking is shot for a while.

    I coped by getting good at matching my antennas. If all the RF goes up the feedline and none of it comes back, I'm fine. Even at 1.9 GHz PCS, a magmount gets the signal out of the car and makes normal hands-free telephone use possible. If I can't get the RF away from my head, I just won't key the rig.

    When I got into computers, I found that I could tell if the machine was on by sticking my hand down in there and seeing if it tingled. (Considering the prevalence of power indicators, this wasn't a very useful talent.) That was on 8080-driven S-100 bus machines; I don't even try
    that trick with current machines, but I know that touchpad cursor controls are mildly annoying to the fingertip, and I put up with a soft "ringing in the ears" kind of constant squeal in my head, clear across the house, if my computers and their CRT monitors are on.

    The effect is probably more electrostatic than electromagnetic. I say this because I attended my child in an MRI session and had no ill effects. If it was magnetic I should have been clobbered then.

    The effect might have to do with neurochemistry in some way. I say this because, if I let my nutrition slip, particularly calcium and magnesium, I am more susceptible.

    These are my informal personal observations based on experiences. I think that I'm probably just a little more sensitive than normal folks. It's enough to tell me that there's something there, and saying that it can't be there because it doesn't fit your worldview won't change the facts.

  90. The actual cause by riptalon · · Score: 1

    Of course the real cause of the increased reaction times etc. is almost certainly increased blood flow resulting from heating caused by absorption of the EM waves. Basically you are very gently microwaving your head. This effect has been known for some years in connection with radiation form the phones themselves. Experiments were done testing peoples reaction times with phones strapped to their heads. The reaction times increased when the phones were turned on.

    What is worring about this study is that it is radiation from the base stations not the phones themselves. I have never thought that holding a radio transmiter next to your head for long periods of time can be entirely good for you but at least people are making a choice about that. With base stations you don't have a choice however. The article is very short on details. It would be very interesting to know at what distance from a base station these effects maifest themselves. If it is over a sigificant fraction of the cell area that would be extremely worrying.

    I personally don't see any distinction between positive and negative effects, increased reaction time versus headaches. An effect on you brain is an effect on your brain. What you really have to worry about are the effects of long term exposure and that is totally unknown. If there are short term effects then there are likely to long term effects as well and they may be very different and are most likely to be always bad.

  91. Nice! Now We Can Be Sure by Master+of+Transhuman · · Score: 1

    we will remember our nausea!

    --
    Richard Steven Hack - This sig is TOO GODDAMN SHORT TO DO ANYTHING USEFUL WITH! MORONS!
  92. new laws will be necessary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >>> It also found that those same subjects had better memory and reaction times (conventional cellular networks have the same effect)!

    Should it be legal to drink and drive if you are also talking on your 3G phone?

  93. That explains It! by egommer · · Score: 1

    This explains why the cockroaches in my house always seem to remember where I put the roach motels.

    They keep putting up mini flashing road horse blockers thingies around them whenever I put them somewhere.

    Once when I woke up in the middle of the night and flicked on the light really fast, I saw them spell out "we're on to you" on the cieling.

    This 3G network must be stopped at all costs!

    --
    Two Towers-Two Worlds.One seeks triumphs and freedom for man.The other deems man unworthy and wrecks them.
  94. plurals. by SeanAhern · · Score: 1

    The plural of "virus" is not "vira" or even "virii." It's "viruses."

    Boring, I know. Read here for more info.

  95. Tinfoil hats. by Agent+R · · Score: 1

    An experiment in mindcontrol for your brane. Lets all don our tinfoil hats before the government begins regulating your bowel movements.

    Who makes this stuff up and why the hell do they get money to conduct these studies??

    --
    !@#$% whole-grain cereal. When I want fiber, I eat some wicker furniture. - G. Carlin
  96. prolly redundant by Anonym1ty · · Score: 1

    Reading this stuff reall makes me wonder what they're smoking over there.

    Oh wait it's Amsterdam... Never Mind

  97. We are! by Blue+Lozenge · · Score: 1

    Have you already forgotten what the article said? Our memories have been imporoved!

  98. Congratulations! by DaneelGiskard · · Score: 1

    Looks like they finally found their "killer application"

  99. G3 headaches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why is it surprising that the guitar-god triumvirate of Satriani, Vai, and Johnson might cause a few headaches?

  100. Not all that surprising, really. by lord_nightrose · · Score: 0

    There's a flaw with this study. They fail to realize that the headaches and nausea are caused by the 3G service, not the 3G waves. The quicker reaction times can be attributed to the fact that people are constantly answering their cel phones as fast as humanly possible, and the improved memory is just a sign that we're forcing ourselves to memorize dozens of bits of contact information for each person we know.

    --
    This is not part of my post. It's my signature. I bet you're disappointed.
  101. Not too sure about this by LardBrattish · · Score: 1

    that exposure to 3G waves can cause headaches and nausea (conventional cellular service doesn't have these effects)

    Does on me. If I use a (GSM) mobile for more than a few minute I get uncomfortable & it can cause headaches if I stick with it. What I've found anecdotally is that the more intelligent the person, the more likely they are to be negatively impacted by prolonged exposure to a Cellphones. Sitting next door to one on a train can set me off. Theory: the more intelligent the person the more highly tuned the brain therefore more sensitive to electromagnetic disturbance. Or should that be arrogant ;)

    Haven't noticed any improvement in reflexes or thinking - given the number of jabbering morons running around in front of moving vehicles & crashing their cars I'd be inclined to question it...

    --
    What are you listening to? (http://megamanic.blogetery.com/)
  102. Re:Great.. More junk science.. NOT. by Peristaltic · · Score: 1

    ...uh, sorry, it's sort of late, but you remember the movie "Powder" ? If not, order a copy from Amazon and watch it...You sound like you may be this guy's brother. :-)

  103. The danger is very real by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I moved house and long after I should have settled in was still feeling nauseous and suffering from constant dull headaches. I woke up feeling hung-over every morning even though I never drink alcohol. I went researching and discovered a mobile base station was located (hidden away) near the flats (apartments). I bought an Environmental COM reader to measure the strength of the signals (it even identifies hotspots) and no surprise... was being blasted with levels of radiation that the UK government says is safe and allows near residential areas. It's amazing what you can buy now... lined wallpaper and curtains to shield you... worth every penny.

    And remember, I had no idea there was a nearby base station when I moved (I'll be more careful when selecting my next home) but I my body was telling me something wasn't right.

  104. Yeah. . . by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: 1
    I realized when I made the speaker/microphone comparison that it was very blunt, and I said as much. In the strictest sense, it is innacurate, as you pointed out. However, it has also been demonstrated that while the street is not exactly straight, it does run in both directions.

    The brain's function is affected by low power EM. Those who genuinely question whether or not this is true only do so because they haven't explored the masses of available data thoroughly enough.


    -FL