Ctrl-F1 also works. As well as the chevron in the tab bar on office 2010.
Really, this feature is present in virtually any demo, and most of the descriptions of the ribbon. It's kind of hard to miss it, unless you'd rather just complain.
Well all I can do is tell you that I've not seen it in a demo, nor seen any of my colleagues use it. And I work with some pretty switched on people. You can believe that or not - that is your choice.
I think there is good reason to complain about the Ribbon, but that doesn't mean I can't appreciate information on how to best use it since I'm stuck with it.
How can you have been using this months or years without knowing this? I'm not sure. It's right there before your eyes, and works very similarly to how the old system did it, with Alt key highlighting (via underline) the hot key to press, or activating the menu control. It's not like it's a completely foreign concept.
So, your "main complaint" is completely without merit. What's your next complaint? Perhaps I can help you out there too.
Well I've been using the ribbon for years and also did not know this. It is not obvious unless you've been told about it, and the correlation with alt for file menu may not be obvious either. Do not blame the user for poor education transitioning between interfaces, since the user cannot know which questions to ask if they do not know that a feature exists. I know I don't go around hitting alt randomly for no good reason. Even if I did I would have to be in the right frame of mind to be curious about what the symbols were and so workout they are shortcuts.
Also I have not found a way to switch between ribbon bars once I do select one other than to hit alt again to disable, and alt again to select the new one. (With menus, you could use the arrows to navigate them). That is a shame because if you there is such a shortcut, and used in combination with minimize ribbon, you would almost have something similar to the file menu in terms of efficiency....well except for the fact that the new layout of what is on each ribbon is not as logical as the old menus were (and I am NOT saying the old ones were perfect). So what the ribbon does is give you a poor mentally delayed approximation to a menu system that was superior in the first place.
In this particular case, I suggest you read the blog post first before jumping to conclusion. It has a fairly detailed analysis of most used commands in Explorer, and how they were specifically placed all on the default Ribbon tab so as to be at a single-click distance.
Who's most used command list? Certainly not my own personal one.
You can also hide the ribbon when you're not using it, to get more usable screen space than previously possible. Do that by double-clicking the current "tab", and the 2010 version has a little chevron arrow you can click for the same effect.
Thanks. That was actually a really useful tip. I still think the ribbon sucks, but I had missed this. Now it just looks like a menu for the mentally delayed - worse than a proper menu system - but still better than an always on ribbon.
Then wouldn't it not matter what the menu interface is, you're using the keyboard anyway?
So what you're saying is the ribbon is faster, unless you happen to do it often (the only time speed matters!) in which case shortcuts are faster anyway.
There are exactly 2 problems with the ribbon:
1) They are poorly organized. The equivalent menu would be just as poorly organized. The menus from Office 2003 translated directly to equivalent tool bars (roughly 1 per menu category) would be better. 2) They waste screen real-estate - you need full sized buttons and mini-menus which take up more space. Get rid of the icons....oops that would leave you with a wait for it...MENU.
The ribbon is a frustrating waste, and I like others here have been using it for years. It is not a good idea. It is not a design improvement. It is a poorly organized screen space wasting pile of excrement. A menu system is MUCH better. Customizable toolbars are much better. Hell a text interface is better.
If your gut isn't working right all the time, you're feeling unwell and in pain all the time.
If you're constantly gassy, uncomfortable and looking for somewhere socially acceptable to fart, it's not going to put you in a good mood.
If you're always hungry even soon after a large meal, you're going to be irritable because you're hungry.
If you have a disease that requires you to plan and monitor everything you eat, that causes stress. Especially if you're told that disease could kill or maime you or shorten your life.
Unfortunately I have experience with all the above in the last 5 years. Use to be I could eat what I liked and didn't think much about it when people weren't reminding me I weigh too much.
It's not just your gut either. It's any part of your body that breaks down and causes you pain or discomfort is going to have an effect on your mood. This should be obvious to anyone that's ever had a substantial injury of any kind.
Positive thinking and mind over matter only go so far. Physical reality has a way of giving you a kick in the guts. Pun intended.
Most people are familiar with Jobs' skill with respect to product design and marketing. However he possess a less publicized skill that is at least as important than the preceding, probably more important. He assembles teams of really exceptional people to implement his ideas.
Well fuck me, I got that wrong. I thought it was that he could walk on water and turn water to wine.
Gates and Jobs are both arseholes. Read how they treat staff. Their real skill is using others, and keeping the profits. And they were lucky. Some brains yes, but much smarter people have wound up destitute because they had a moral core. Do not overplay their intellect and charisma and underplay pure Darwinian chance and their ability to be dicks. And I don't give a shit how much charity they then do with their ill gotten gains. It's time to grow the fuck up and stop hero worshipping arseholes.
"It would be a great advance in human computer interaction..."
It would be a great advance in human interaction, if men got such a gimmick to read emotions, like women can do from birth.
What a bunch of sexist bullshit. That is no less sexist than saying that women can't do science and math, or saying that women are so irrational that reading their emotion is useless anyway because they make no sense. Sexist stereotypes like that hurt both sexes. The engender an adversarial us-vs-them mentality that makes co-operation impossible, and it allows assholes of both sexes to continue to be assholes and blame it on their nature instead of taking responsibility. I've known rational men and I've known rational women, and I've never known anyone that made all decisions rationally. Likewise I've known emotionally distant and emotionally sensitive people of both sexes.
so just because you don't know what it's useful for immediately means that it's just a gimmick?
Talk about argument from ignorance.
In itself a computer game reading emotions is not useful. If it has a purpose, that purpose is the innovation. Presenting the emotion reading without presenting a decent application is very much a gimmick.
yes because keeping on pushing out the same shit and never trying anything new even at the risk of being called "gimmicky" is the way to innovation! Really!
There is a difference between a gimmick and an innovation. Reading the emotion of a player just for the sake of it is definitely a gimmick. Find something you can actually use this for, besides deciding when a player is easiest to target with ads, and we might have a conversation. Until then this is not innovative at all - a first person shooter is not innovative because it can tell you're stressed or annoyed or bored if it does nothing interesting with the info...and I can't think of much it could do - perhaps tailor difficulty or plot to your mood? But then the game wouldn't be as escapist would it. It would cause you to delve further into real life. Try to increase it's intensity or mood if you're in an intense mood? But then why would you want it to be tame and lame if your mood is different. I honestly don't see the benefit.
These days you'd probably end up with a knife or bullet hole in your chest. When I was young you didn't have to live in fear of that if you fought back. That is the trouble with allowing violence to escalate unchecked. Knife wielding hooligans shouldn't result in the installation of metal detectors. After being caught with a knife a couple of times you should be out on your backside and no longer a threat to the rest of the community. Instead these communities run their schools like prisons - predictably all they get coming out the other end is hardened criminals.
And at the other extreme, I have heard news stories about: A kid gets arrested for having a butter knife in his lunch box. A kid gets busted for possession of Tylenol. Another kid gets in trouble for sharing cupcakes. Kids getting sanctioned for holding hands in the hallway. The schools crack down so hard on these miniscule infringments that they MAKE THE NEWS. With schools worrying about all this crap, we wonder why they're not learning to read and write??
These kids are too busy learning how to be criminals. Treat them as such, and that's exactly what you'll get.
For a decade we've had endless complaints about having to carry a crappy corporate issued locked down phone plus your "real" personal phone. I think the days of a company issued computer / phone are about as numbered as the days of a company issued pair of uniform pants... it'll never quite go away, but the vast majority of workers will simply provide their boss with their personal email addrs, and their personal cell phone number, and that'll be the end of that. Carry your personal laptop into work, plug into what amounts to a DMZ or extremely fast internet pipe, VNC or equivalent into some apps, firefox into other apps... Contractors already live this life, wage slaves will soon. The idea of my employer of the moment selecting my cell phone is frankly weirder than the idea of my employer of the moment selecting my business casual attire. My boss does not buy my socks, nor my car, and soon, not my cellphone and laptop.
You're very wrong. No one wants their company fronted by badboy69er@hooligan.com. Employers do not usually give out your home phone number for business purposes to clients and colleagues. Employers are looking for more control than ever - many places you use to be able to plug in your laptop you're no longer permitted....and most employers do not select your business casual attire, but show up in something inappropriate (too outside the norm) and I bet you'll be told to go home and get changed. Plenty of employers do offer cars as part of the employment package by the way. You're free to use something else, but you'll find it's not economically worth your while.
The raw RAM number hardly matters as much as how it is applied in a phone. If Android has been filled with bloatware requiring you to root the phone to get rid of it, then a gig of RAM won't do much good. If it's efficient, half that can run games quite well. Also, look at the actual RAM of some gaming systems and you'll be surprised at how little it takes.
Only true if you don't factor in data. These days you can have maps of most streets on every major continent, every family picture or video you or your loved ones have ever taken, every movie, TV show or documentary you own etc. etc., scientific catalogs (I have legal copies of several multi-GB astronomy catalogs), entire book and encyclopedia collections. Some of this data compresses well. Most of it does not. There's always a need for more RAM and storage.
Your quote brings to mind 640k should be enough for anyone. Not everyone does little other than browse the web, read email, and use online apps.
I know we've gotten thousands of "RMS smells" jokes here before, but (and it might have to do with me being extremely tired) I laughed. Thank you.
You're welcome. I agree it wasn't original, but sometimes the classics are the best! I've met RMS by the way. He doesn't smell but he was a very strange man.
It is a flat screen with icons. No, you didn't think it up first. Now sit back down.
This is the successor to their last slogan "Think different". It's called "See different". It will be followed by "Hear different", "Touch Different" and "Taste Different". They were going to do "Smell Different" but RMS already has a patent on that.
Well then by that logic you must be in favour of banning sports clubs, churches, mother's clubs, and schools for that matter. How often do interactions in those places lead to violence?
Anyone doing this will never ever be put into a position of trust again. That is, if the potential future employer do a decent check on who's applying for the job. It doesn't matter how mad you are, you will ruin it for yourself if you do anything to harm your former employer.
I think it's a pretty safe bet you won't be progressing your career from within a prison cell anyway.
Someone needs to let them know that they have a huge base of very useful, non-trivial plug-ins that people actually use, and they tend to break at least some of them with every update. We're still stuck on 3.6 waiting for the plug-ins to catch up because frankly they're more important to us than FF itself. And now the new hotness is your addons will just start being continuously breakable at any time?
Firefox already IS dead! This is not the Firefox I know or love. From my perspective it all started with taking away the ability to turn off "awesome bar". Running addons was always a hassle. I've had compatibility checking turned off since 3.0. Now it's just a pig's breakfast. I can't recommend this browser to a friend, colleague or employer. The Mozilla devs are either asleep at the wheel or on drugs.
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Ctrl-F1 also works. As well as the chevron in the tab bar on office 2010.
Really, this feature is present in virtually any demo, and most of the descriptions of the ribbon. It's kind of hard to miss it, unless you'd rather just complain.
Well all I can do is tell you that I've not seen it in a demo, nor seen any of my colleagues use it. And I work with some pretty switched on people. You can believe that or not - that is your choice.
I think there is good reason to complain about the Ribbon, but that doesn't mean I can't appreciate information on how to best use it since I'm stuck with it.
How can you have been using this months or years without knowing this? I'm not sure. It's right there before your eyes, and works very similarly to how the old system did it, with Alt key highlighting (via underline) the hot key to press, or activating the menu control. It's not like it's a completely foreign concept.
So, your "main complaint" is completely without merit. What's your next complaint? Perhaps I can help you out there too.
Well I've been using the ribbon for years and also did not know this. It is not obvious unless you've been told about it, and the correlation with alt for file menu may not be obvious either. Do not blame the user for poor education transitioning between interfaces, since the user cannot know which questions to ask if they do not know that a feature exists. I know I don't go around hitting alt randomly for no good reason. Even if I did I would have to be in the right frame of mind to be curious about what the symbols were and so workout they are shortcuts.
Also I have not found a way to switch between ribbon bars once I do select one other than to hit alt again to disable, and alt again to select the new one. (With menus, you could use the arrows to navigate them). That is a shame because if you there is such a shortcut, and used in combination with minimize ribbon, you would almost have something similar to the file menu in terms of efficiency....well except for the fact that the new layout of what is on each ribbon is not as logical as the old menus were (and I am NOT saying the old ones were perfect). So what the ribbon does is give you a poor mentally delayed approximation to a menu system that was superior in the first place.
In this particular case, I suggest you read the blog post first before jumping to conclusion. It has a fairly detailed analysis of most used commands in Explorer, and how they were specifically placed all on the default Ribbon tab so as to be at a single-click distance.
Who's most used command list? Certainly not my own personal one.
You can also hide the ribbon when you're not using it, to get more usable screen space than previously possible. Do that by double-clicking the current "tab", and the 2010 version has a little chevron arrow you can click for the same effect.
Thanks. That was actually a really useful tip. I still think the ribbon sucks, but I had missed this. Now it just looks like a menu for the mentally delayed - worse than a proper menu system - but still better than an always on ribbon.
Then wouldn't it not matter what the menu interface is, you're using the keyboard anyway?
So what you're saying is the ribbon is faster, unless you happen to do it often (the only time speed matters!) in which case shortcuts are faster anyway.
There are exactly 2 problems with the ribbon:
1) They are poorly organized. The equivalent menu would be just as poorly organized. The menus from Office 2003 translated directly to equivalent tool bars (roughly 1 per menu category) would be better.
2) They waste screen real-estate - you need full sized buttons and mini-menus which take up more space. Get rid of the icons....oops that would leave you with a wait for it...MENU.
The ribbon is a frustrating waste, and I like others here have been using it for years. It is not a good idea. It is not a design improvement. It is a poorly organized screen space wasting pile of excrement. A menu system is MUCH better. Customizable toolbars are much better. Hell a text interface is better.
Of course your gut and mind are connected.
If your gut isn't working right all the time, you're feeling unwell and in pain all the time.
If you're constantly gassy, uncomfortable and looking for somewhere socially acceptable to fart, it's not going to put you in a good mood.
If you're always hungry even soon after a large meal, you're going to be irritable because you're hungry.
If you have a disease that requires you to plan and monitor everything you eat, that causes stress. Especially if you're told that disease could kill or maime you or shorten your life.
Unfortunately I have experience with all the above in the last 5 years. Use to be I could eat what I liked and didn't think much about it when people weren't reminding me I weigh too much.
It's not just your gut either. It's any part of your body that breaks down and causes you pain or discomfort is going to have an effect on your mood. This should be obvious to anyone that's ever had a substantial injury of any kind.
Positive thinking and mind over matter only go so far. Physical reality has a way of giving you a kick in the guts. Pun intended.
Most people are familiar with Jobs' skill with respect to product design and marketing. However he possess a less publicized skill that is at least as important than the preceding, probably more important. He assembles teams of really exceptional people to implement his ideas.
Well fuck me, I got that wrong. I thought it was that he could walk on water and turn water to wine.
Gates and Jobs are both arseholes. Read how they treat staff. Their real skill is using others, and keeping the profits. And they were lucky. Some brains yes, but much smarter people have wound up destitute because they had a moral core. Do not overplay their intellect and charisma and underplay pure Darwinian chance and their ability to be dicks. And I don't give a shit how much charity they then do with their ill gotten gains. It's time to grow the fuck up and stop hero worshipping arseholes.
The robot should have looked out the window and said "Hello World."
That made me laugh out loud. Thanks.
"It would be a great advance in human computer interaction..."
It would be a great advance in human interaction, if men got such a gimmick to read emotions, like women can do from birth.
What a bunch of sexist bullshit. That is no less sexist than saying that women can't do science and math, or saying that women are so irrational that reading their emotion is useless anyway because they make no sense. Sexist stereotypes like that hurt both sexes. The engender an adversarial us-vs-them mentality that makes co-operation impossible, and it allows assholes of both sexes to continue to be assholes and blame it on their nature instead of taking responsibility. I've known rational men and I've known rational women, and I've never known anyone that made all decisions rationally. Likewise I've known emotionally distant and emotionally sensitive people of both sexes.
so just because you don't know what it's useful for immediately means that it's just a gimmick?
Talk about argument from ignorance.
In itself a computer game reading emotions is not useful. If it has a purpose, that purpose is the innovation. Presenting the emotion reading without presenting a decent application is very much a gimmick.
yes because keeping on pushing out the same shit and never trying anything new even at the risk of being called "gimmicky" is the way to innovation! Really!
There is a difference between a gimmick and an innovation. Reading the emotion of a player just for the sake of it is definitely a gimmick. Find something you can actually use this for, besides deciding when a player is easiest to target with ads, and we might have a conversation. Until then this is not innovative at all - a first person shooter is not innovative because it can tell you're stressed or annoyed or bored if it does nothing interesting with the info...and I can't think of much it could do - perhaps tailor difficulty or plot to your mood? But then the game wouldn't be as escapist would it. It would cause you to delve further into real life. Try to increase it's intensity or mood if you're in an intense mood? But then why would you want it to be tame and lame if your mood is different. I honestly don't see the benefit.
First of all this is speculative gibberish. It may be 2 years, and it may be 20.
Secondly, I can just see a status console showing "User status: Bored" 95% of the time.
Stop trying to build clippy for computer games.
These days you'd probably end up with a knife or bullet hole in your chest. When I was young you didn't have to live in fear of that if you fought back. That is the trouble with allowing violence to escalate unchecked. Knife wielding hooligans shouldn't result in the installation of metal detectors. After being caught with a knife a couple of times you should be out on your backside and no longer a threat to the rest of the community. Instead these communities run their schools like prisons - predictably all they get coming out the other end is hardened criminals.
And at the other extreme, I have heard news stories about: A kid gets arrested for having a butter knife in his lunch box. A kid gets busted for possession of Tylenol. Another kid gets in trouble for sharing cupcakes. Kids getting sanctioned for holding hands in the hallway. The schools crack down so hard on these miniscule infringments that they MAKE THE NEWS. With schools worrying about all this crap, we wonder why they're not learning to read and write??
These kids are too busy learning how to be criminals. Treat them as such, and that's exactly what you'll get.
For a decade we've had endless complaints about having to carry a crappy corporate issued locked down phone plus your "real" personal phone. I think the days of a company issued computer / phone are about as numbered as the days of a company issued pair of uniform pants... it'll never quite go away, but the vast majority of workers will simply provide their boss with their personal email addrs, and their personal cell phone number, and that'll be the end of that. Carry your personal laptop into work, plug into what amounts to a DMZ or extremely fast internet pipe, VNC or equivalent into some apps, firefox into other apps... Contractors already live this life, wage slaves will soon. The idea of my employer of the moment selecting my cell phone is frankly weirder than the idea of my employer of the moment selecting my business casual attire. My boss does not buy my socks, nor my car, and soon, not my cellphone and laptop.
You're very wrong. No one wants their company fronted by badboy69er@hooligan.com. Employers do not usually give out your home phone number for business purposes to clients and colleagues. Employers are looking for more control than ever - many places you use to be able to plug in your laptop you're no longer permitted....and most employers do not select your business casual attire, but show up in something inappropriate (too outside the norm) and I bet you'll be told to go home and get changed. Plenty of employers do offer cars as part of the employment package by the way. You're free to use something else, but you'll find it's not economically worth your while.
The raw RAM number hardly matters as much as how it is applied in a phone. If Android has been filled with bloatware requiring you to root the phone to get rid of it, then a gig of RAM won't do much good. If it's efficient, half that can run games quite well. Also, look at the actual RAM of some gaming systems and you'll be surprised at how little it takes.
Only true if you don't factor in data. These days you can have maps of most streets on every major continent, every family picture or video you or your loved ones have ever taken, every movie, TV show or documentary you own etc. etc., scientific catalogs (I have legal copies of several multi-GB astronomy catalogs), entire book and encyclopedia collections. Some of this data compresses well. Most of it does not. There's always a need for more RAM and storage.
Your quote brings to mind 640k should be enough for anyone. Not everyone does little other than browse the web, read email, and use online apps.
DSPs killed of many analog designs.
MC and PLCs killed of digital controls
image recognition killed of many specialized sensing techniques.
People building control panels are replaces by gui designers.
Wiring of sensors in industrial plants is replaced by a single digital bus.
... video killed the radio star?
I know we've gotten thousands of "RMS smells" jokes here before, but (and it might have to do with me being extremely tired) I laughed. Thank you.
You're welcome. I agree it wasn't original, but sometimes the classics are the best! I've met RMS by the way. He doesn't smell but he was a very strange man.
But having to download a pirate copy of the game, because the DRM in the installer does not work is still considered piracy.
And in many areas cracking DRM is illegal. Regardless if you own the product or not.
"Yaarrrr! We'll rape ye and pillege ye, but we'll pay ye for the privilege. Yarrr!"
It is a flat screen with icons. No, you didn't think it up first. Now sit back down.
This is the successor to their last slogan "Think different". It's called "See different". It will be followed by "Hear different", "Touch Different" and "Taste Different". They were going to do "Smell Different" but RMS already has a patent on that.
Well then by that logic you must be in favour of banning sports clubs, churches, mother's clubs, and schools for that matter. How often do interactions in those places lead to violence?
What happens if 100,000 people show up...
Just how big do you think this water fight is???
At our technological level, we pose no danger to anything off this planet.
It would be like saying you'll sterilize a grain of sand to protect the planet.
Such a silly scenario...
If we ever develop interstellar travel that is fast, cheap and practical, maybe then this scenario starts to have legs.
You don't understand. They've heard about the RIAA and MPAA and they're scared and disgusted. They don't want to leave anything to chance.
Anyone doing this will never ever be put into a position of trust again. That is, if the potential future employer do a decent check on who's applying for the job. It doesn't matter how mad you are, you will ruin it for yourself if you do anything to harm your former employer.
I think it's a pretty safe bet you won't be progressing your career from within a prison cell anyway.
Someone needs to let them know that they have a huge base of very useful, non-trivial plug-ins that people actually use, and they tend to break at least some of them with every update. We're still stuck on 3.6 waiting for the plug-ins to catch up because frankly they're more important to us than FF itself. And now the new hotness is your addons will just start being continuously breakable at any time?
Firefox already IS dead! This is not the Firefox I know or love. From my perspective it all started with taking away the ability to turn off "awesome bar". Running addons was always a hassle. I've had compatibility checking turned off since 3.0. Now it's just a pig's breakfast. I can't recommend this browser to a friend, colleague or employer. The Mozilla devs are either asleep at the wheel or on drugs.