Here's my experience with a "free" "upgrade" to VISTA. I didn't even think you might not be allowed to dual boot. I'm a developer. I should have thought.
I'm still having dramas adding the state I live in to my address, and I've been told not to expect a VISTA upgrade DVD until April.
Microsoft may have some of the smartest developers on the planet but it's a company run by arrogant fools. If they make it really hard to be legit, they'll reap what they sew. Unfortunately if they go down they'll take a lot of people with them, and if this DRM BS stands it makes the PC a less useful too. It's a no win.
Well for security reasons (ie morons who open virus infected email) yahoo email is blocked at work. Any content that requires flickr login will now be blocked by association too now. Central signin means that if one thing is blocked everything is blocked. By the way, I don't like hats, tinfoil or otherwise.
Yes, I bet you've read every software license for every piece of software you've ever installed, and called your lawyer to help clarify when you've not understood. It's also a trivial matter to renegotiate that or find a new OS vendor that sells a product that will allow you to use your existing software.
You should be allowed to post anonymous HYPOCRITE coward.
Large law firms do not make vastly more money than collectives of doctors, engineering consultancies, other groups of professionals, or large corporations.
With the exception of the medical profession which acts equally reprehensibly, you're talking about groups that make money by charging large sums of money to large entities (companies). Meanwhile you're advocating lawyers being allowed to profiteer from individuals who don't have those kinds of resources. Your problem is you couldn't care less whether you're taking the money from a large corp or if it's someone's life savings.
The lawyers didn't create your dispute. You and the other litigant did.
With your attitude I'd never hire you and if I did by accident hire you I'd sack you the first time you treated me with contempt. Your implication that anyone who requires your help is somehow at fault is just plain reprehensible. You work in a profession that encourages this sort of behaviour. There are good lawyers and doctors around, but it's despite their professions not as a result of them.
Either you can use a phone, or you can use TTY. You can come up with crazy situations all day long, but it all comes down to that.
So basically your argument is "I don't care about your disability. Just fucking do it like everyone else"....and you're calling him "anti-social and hate talking". Take a look at what you just wrote.
Actually they'd be right to ignore it. If they accept it or reject or respond in any way they legitimise it. In any case being granted permission does not set a precedent that you MUST be granted permission. If my boss tells me I can go to the doctor if I'm seriously ill and need urgent medical attention it does not mean that if he doesn't give permission the next time I'm ill that I can't go. No license needed to be granted here. I believe parody is protected under US laws, though I'm not a US citizen and I honestly don't know the detail.
I got sick of PDF's taking forever to loading, and the reader hanging constantly on our PC's at work, so I banned them from from the office
Do you have any idea at all how obnoxious you're sounding? I hope that your cleaners at work ban eating and drinking in the office because it's just too hard to clean stuff. Hell lock the toilets. They're a nightmare to clean. There are people in your office who probably have legitimate reasons for wanting to view information - job related and otherwise - that they now can't because you decided to abuse your tiny bit of power.
It abuses natural and artificial rights that have been excercised for centuries. It gives creators absolute legal control over work they've publicly release3d. It isn't being abused. It's made to legitimise abuse.
Here's something I posted to a newsgroup this morning. I'm a developer and would definitely fit the power user mode. My experience getting a "free" upgrade to VISTA has been wonderful so far and is likely to sink further into the shitter.
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One thing I received when I bought my new machine with a copy of XP Pro OEM attached was a redemption card to upgrade to VISTA business. I finally got around to filling it out today and what a hassle.
First you go online and fill out a form (complete with validation errors that contain no text when you put a dash in the phone number - nice touch that. Lucky I have experience testing software or it might have taken a while to work it out). Of course you have to pay for shipping (AUD22 and some cents) so then you fill out your credit card details.
(I was expecting some charge but for $22 I can live with it and I've already activated my current OS. Ironically unlike having to do it for every game and addon ala FSX I think I'd just be stupid to turn down this offer given that I'm a software professional and may well need to use a VISTA machine for work. I don't plan on upgrading right awayeven if it is tied to the one computer can dual boot when I need it).
That then gives you a confirmation page with a confirmation number. You have to then "email, fax, or scan" your receipt and redemption card and confirmation number to the company handling it (which isn't Microsoft. Wonder what mailing lists I'll end up on next).
Let me tell you something - the redemption card, forms and instructions are all very confusing... - On the one hand there's the instruction to "mail, fax, or scan" the receipt and redemption card, and on the other hand there is wording that seems to imply that you have to mail or fax - You also get a confirmation email. It says not to reply to the confirmation email as it is not monitored. It then gives the exact same email address as a contact address if you have a problem. - The forms basically say if anything goes wrong or you don't provide meet the requirements or follow instructions you forfeit the offer.
So anyway my confirmation form didn't show the state in my shipping/billing address, but had the rest of my address details. I also wanted to clarify if I should still mail in the redemption card. The forms say to phone or email if there is a problem. I filled out the form this morning, sent an email including my query about my address, along with attached jpgs of the redemption card and my receitp. Well I didn't expect an instant reply and I know I won't get my upgrade disk for a while but I thought I should at least follow up on the email and confirm that it got to them.
I called this afternoon to check that they'd gotten my email from this morning. After the usual 20 minutes on hold with a very annoying and irritating "your call is important to us" in a terse Asian accent that sounded like it was coming from an official at a military training college I finally got through to a human being. Well this human being couldn't even check to see if they'd received the email, and couldn't adjust my address details. She told me to wait for a reply to my email which would take about a week. She also offered that if I faxed the details through another college of hers could deal with it in 3 days instead. I'll wait the week thanks. This is all just to get a confirmation that they got my details and that I've done what I needed to do.
So....I have no sympathy for Microsoft. If VISTA or FSX or any other MS product falls on its arse as far I'm concerned, they need to take some responsibility for making every damned interaction and product so frustrating to deal with. It's not like MS products were ever frustration free but it's definitely getting worse at least for me personally.
The last time I dealt with them it was to get a cashback on my FS2004 discs. I got someone
How much would they have to charge before you walked away?
Look if a person's willing to make a copy to save $300, they might do the right thing if they'd only save $30. It's not worth the effort of the theft. It's therefore less of a temptation. That doesn't make it right for the person to copy the software in either situation but it will make a difference to piracy rates.
Also please stop comparing software to physical goods. You can't make an original Rolex watch for roughly 2 cents now can you? You can get the exact same software on a copied CD/DVD for about that (when done in bulk). It makes very little difference to cost how many copies of a disk MS puts out. However it makes a huge difference to the consumer with regards to affordability. If they could make the same amount of money selling the software at half the cost, exactly what superior set of moral values justifies the decision makers in a company refusing to do so? Is it right to try to bilk individuals while starting charties on the side to make the world a better place. What horse shit.
If you can afford either the hardware or the software but not both...well to be technical, these people might be able to afford both if they chose not to eat for a couple of weeks. Point is there are a lot of people living just above the poverty line. For them $200 is a big deal - the difference between being able to afford something and not being able to afford it. But then you already knew what he meant didn't you.
Yes you can go to all that trouble and end up with a bunch of slightly blurry or over processed pics, or you could just use a real freaking camera and get it right. What you've posted is technically interesting but of little practical use. Who's got the time to do all that?
Yeah, well try and find a Mac book with a decent graphics card that'll let you do things like oh use MS Flight Simulator, play a 3rd person shooter etc. Ironic you should talk of "playing".
Oh that's right. Record stations never run contests to win a new stereo. Companies that make the music never make the players. What world are you living in again???
I know what blog is short. Bit arrogant suggesting I don't know what it's short for and talking down to me. This is/. not alt.helpme.im.a.newbie.
What I said was entirely relevant. You blasted someone for having an opinion that differred from someone else, on the justification that the someone else is famous, has accomplished more etc. not on the merits of the argument. If you believe the garbage you're talking you needed to be reminded that "smart people" can be wrong too. History is full of examples of smart people doing and saying stupid things.
Your attitude sucks. This is a discussion site, not a popularlity contest. Treating it that way ruins it and isn't in the spirit of the site. You make it sound like you post just to get modded up no matter what the content. If so it's pathetic needing that sort of validation. Manipulating people who don't know better is a sport for cretins.
In other words it's like 2 idiots in an argument. One says something mildly stupid and you laugh. The other says something dangerously stupid that affects you and your ears prick up.
On the left we have an OS that locks you into vendor specific overpriced hardware (but uses a standard CPU and a Unix style code base these days), won't run most commercial games, and is sold by the most arrogant company in the world to elitist tossers.
On the right we have an OS that imitates just as much as it innovates, still doesn't have a stable or reliable file manager and still requires a restart way too often, and likes to cripple you with DRM if you try to use it's features.
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Try: "Do evil. Just don't get caught!"
But why wouldn't I want to fuck with MySpace?
Because almost everyone there is under age and you're just asking to be labelled a pedophile.
Booohoo, Microsoft releases a secure system!
Don't make me fall off my chair laughing.
Correction to URLs
Remove the space in "micro soft" in the URLS above. I cut and paste out of a browser and that's what I got.
Here's my experience with a "free" "upgrade" to VISTA. I didn't even think you might not be allowed to dual boot. I'm a developer. I should have thought.
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http://groups.google.com.au/group/alt.games.micro
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I'm still having dramas adding the state I live in to my address, and I've been told not to expect a VISTA upgrade DVD until April.
Microsoft may have some of the smartest developers on the planet but it's a company run by arrogant fools. If they make it really hard to be legit, they'll reap what they sew. Unfortunately if they go down they'll take a lot of people with them, and if this DRM BS stands it makes the PC a less useful too. It's a no win.
"Pipe the sh%t right out of your house" - History of the World Part 1.
Unless you can provide a link to the patent for plumbing though, I'd try again.
2. You must sell your soul to the lords of IP evil by promoting shitty patents as being good for invention and innovation.
Well for security reasons (ie morons who open virus infected email) yahoo email is blocked at work. Any content that requires flickr login will now be blocked by association too now. Central signin means that if one thing is blocked everything is blocked. By the way, I don't like hats, tinfoil or otherwise.
Yes, I bet you've read every software license for every piece of software you've ever installed, and called your lawyer to help clarify when you've not understood. It's also a trivial matter to renegotiate that or find a new OS vendor that sells a product that will allow you to use your existing software.
You should be allowed to post anonymous HYPOCRITE coward.
Large law firms do not make vastly more money than collectives of doctors, engineering consultancies, other groups of professionals, or large corporations.
With the exception of the medical profession which acts equally reprehensibly, you're talking about groups that make money by charging large sums of money to large entities (companies). Meanwhile you're advocating lawyers being allowed to profiteer from individuals who don't have those kinds of resources. Your problem is you couldn't care less whether you're taking the money from a large corp or if it's someone's life savings.
The lawyers didn't create your dispute. You and the other litigant did.
With your attitude I'd never hire you and if I did by accident hire you I'd sack you the first time you treated me with contempt. Your implication that anyone who requires your help is somehow at fault is just plain reprehensible. You work in a profession that encourages this sort of behaviour. There are good lawyers and doctors around, but it's despite their professions not as a result of them.
Either you can use a phone, or you can use TTY. You can come up with crazy situations all day long, but it all comes down to that.
So basically your argument is "I don't care about your disability. Just fucking do it like everyone else"....and you're calling him "anti-social and hate talking". Take a look at what you just wrote.
F'ing problem solved.
Actually they'd be right to ignore it. If they accept it or reject or respond in any way they legitimise it. In any case being granted permission does not set a precedent that you MUST be granted permission. If my boss tells me I can go to the doctor if I'm seriously ill and need urgent medical attention it does not mean that if he doesn't give permission the next time I'm ill that I can't go. No license needed to be granted here. I believe parody is protected under US laws, though I'm not a US citizen and I honestly don't know the detail.
I got sick of PDF's taking forever to loading, and the reader hanging constantly on our PC's at work, so I banned them from from the office
Do you have any idea at all how obnoxious you're sounding? I hope that your cleaners at work ban eating and drinking in the office because it's just too hard to clean stuff. Hell lock the toilets. They're a nightmare to clean. There are people in your office who probably have legitimate reasons for wanting to view information - job related and otherwise - that they now can't because you decided to abuse your tiny bit of power.
It abuses natural and artificial rights that have been excercised for centuries. It gives creators absolute legal control over work they've publicly release3d. It isn't being abused. It's made to legitimise abuse.
Here's something I posted to a newsgroup this morning. I'm a developer and would definitely fit the power user mode. My experience getting a "free" upgrade to VISTA has been wonderful so far and is likely to sink further into the shitter.
----
One thing I received when I bought my new machine with a copy of XP Pro
OEM attached was a redemption card to upgrade to VISTA business. I
finally got around to filling it out today and what a hassle.
First you go online and fill out a form (complete with validation
errors that contain no text when you put a dash in the phone number -
nice touch that. Lucky I have experience testing software or it might
have taken a while to work it out). Of course you have to pay for
shipping (AUD22 and some cents) so then you fill out your credit card
details.
(I was expecting some charge but for $22 I can live with it and I've
already activated my current OS. Ironically unlike having to do it for
every game and addon ala FSX I think I'd just be stupid to turn down
this offer given that I'm a software professional and may well need to
use a VISTA machine for work. I don't plan on upgrading right awayeven
if it is tied to the one computer can dual boot when I need it).
That then gives you a confirmation page with a confirmation number. You
have to then "email, fax, or scan" your receipt and redemption card and
confirmation number to the company handling it (which isn't Microsoft.
Wonder what mailing lists I'll end up on next).
Let me tell you something - the redemption card, forms and instructions
are all very confusing...
- On the one hand there's the instruction to "mail, fax, or scan" the
receipt and redemption card, and on the other hand there is wording
that seems to imply that you have to mail or fax
- You also get a confirmation email. It says not to reply to the
confirmation email as it is not monitored. It then gives the exact same
email address as a contact address if you have a problem.
- The forms basically say if anything goes wrong or you don't provide
meet the requirements or follow instructions you forfeit the offer.
So anyway my confirmation form didn't show the state in my
shipping/billing address, but had the rest of my address details. I
also wanted to clarify if I should still mail in the redemption card.
The forms say to phone or email if there is a problem. I filled out the
form this morning, sent an email including my query about my address,
along with attached jpgs of the redemption card and my receitp. Well I
didn't expect an instant reply and I know I won't get my upgrade disk
for a while but I thought I should at least follow up on the email and
confirm that it got to them.
I called this afternoon to check that they'd gotten my email from this
morning. After the usual 20 minutes on hold with a very annoying and
irritating "your call is important to us" in a terse Asian accent that
sounded like it was coming from an official at a military training
college I finally got through to a human being. Well this human being
couldn't even check to see if they'd received the email, and couldn't
adjust my address details. She told me to wait for a reply to my email
which would take about a week. She also offered that if I faxed the
details through another college of hers could deal with it in 3 days
instead. I'll wait the week thanks. This is all just to get a
confirmation that they got my details and that I've done what I needed
to do.
So....I have no sympathy for Microsoft. If VISTA or FSX or any other MS
product falls on its arse as far I'm concerned, they need to take some
responsibility for making every damned interaction and product so
frustrating to deal with. It's not like MS products were ever
frustration free but it's definitely getting worse at least for me
personally.
The last time I dealt with them it was to get a cashback on my FS2004
discs. I got someone
How much would they have to charge before you walked away?
Look if a person's willing to make a copy to save $300, they might do the right thing if they'd only save $30. It's not worth the effort of the theft. It's therefore less of a temptation. That doesn't make it right for the person to copy the software in either situation but it will make a difference to piracy rates.
Also please stop comparing software to physical goods. You can't make an original Rolex watch for roughly 2 cents now can you? You can get the exact same software on a copied CD/DVD for about that (when done in bulk). It makes very little difference to cost how many copies of a disk MS puts out. However it makes a huge difference to the consumer with regards to affordability. If they could make the same amount of money selling the software at half the cost, exactly what superior set of moral values justifies the decision makers in a company refusing to do so? Is it right to try to bilk individuals while starting charties on the side to make the world a better place. What horse shit.
If you can afford either the hardware or the software but not both...well to be technical, these people might be able to afford both if they chose not to eat for a couple of weeks. Point is there are a lot of people living just above the poverty line. For them $200 is a big deal - the difference between being able to afford something and not being able to afford it. But then you already knew what he meant didn't you.
Yes you can go to all that trouble and end up with a bunch of slightly blurry or over processed pics, or you could just use a real freaking camera and get it right. What you've posted is technically interesting but of little practical use. Who's got the time to do all that?
Yeah, well try and find a Mac book with a decent graphics card that'll let you do things like oh use MS Flight Simulator, play a 3rd person shooter etc. Ironic you should talk of "playing".
Apple called and wants you to join their fanboy club. OH wait, you're already a card carrying member.
Oh that's right. Record stations never run contests to win a new stereo. Companies that make the music never make the players. What world are you living in again???
I know what blog is short. Bit arrogant suggesting I don't know what it's short for and talking down to me. This is /. not alt.helpme.im.a.newbie.
What I said was entirely relevant. You blasted someone for having an opinion that differred from someone else, on the justification that the someone else is famous, has accomplished more etc. not on the merits of the argument. If you believe the garbage you're talking you needed to be reminded that "smart people" can be wrong too. History is full of examples of smart people doing and saying stupid things.
Your attitude sucks. This is a discussion site, not a popularlity contest. Treating it that way ruins it and isn't in the spirit of the site. You make it sound like you post just to get modded up no matter what the content. If so it's pathetic needing that sort of validation. Manipulating people who don't know better is a sport for cretins.
In other words it's like 2 idiots in an argument. One says something mildly stupid and you laugh. The other says something dangerously stupid that affects you and your ears prick up.
On the left we have an OS that locks you into vendor specific overpriced hardware (but uses a standard CPU and a Unix style code base these days), won't run most commercial games, and is sold by the most arrogant company in the world to elitist tossers.
On the right we have an OS that imitates just as much as it innovates, still doesn't have a stable or reliable file manager and still requires a restart way too often, and likes to cripple you with DRM if you try to use it's features.
Geez. Which to back? Which to be loyal to?
This is 2007. They're both SHITE.