I KNOW I'll be modded troll and the like but i have to say this. Linux is NOT READY for the desktop.
I'd used Slackware then RedHat Linux for years but found myself in Windows much more often to justify the time and effort of admining 2 operating systems. So I took a break from Linux.
I've recently set up a CVS repository for work. I played with Fedora Core 2 and Debian, since these were the most commonly used free (as in beer) fully featured distros - I simply wasn't going to get funding to do this, and I got the PC begrudgingly after trying and giving up on CVSNT with Eclipse.
Let me say things have gone backwards since last I looked. Nothing is stable. Nothing works out of the box. I remember Redhat 7.0 and up being fairly solid but I had to go through hell to get Debian to work (I still don't have KDE running properly on Debian). I was completely underwhelmed by the Debian installer - it did stupid things like tell me I needed/boot to be 5-10Mb AFTER I'd allocated the space, and I still don't know if it was netcfg, diald or the fact that I had to boot off floppy that ate/etc/network/interfaces which I had to build off another machine.
(The machine I was orgiinally given was too small but booted off CD. The machine I finally set up had more drive space but didn't boot from CD. This isn't entirely Linux's fault but after 10 years you'd think they'd rename the boot floppies to install floppies instead of having a lovely message about this on the first install screen. I also needed to rely on knowledge I hadn't used in 10 years - since switching to Redhat - to boot off floppy).
I had less trouble with CVS, which is working nicely. Forget about Fedora Core 2 on VMWare. It runs like a dog.
Bear in mind I have admined a few Linux boxes before. I know my way around the standard admin and config programs,/etc, and the kernel. I'm no stranger to a kernel recompile.
You really expect garden variety end users to dump Windows, and learn to troubleshoot at the low level? Come on! Get a clue. So much for Linux as a desktop replacement. What a goddamn joke.
Things need NEED to get MUCH better than this before we encourage users to use Linux or it will never take off. It needs to work well out of the box. The install needs to be friendly and intuitive. Not everyone wants to spend hours playing sysadmin for the sake of it.
Make no mistake Windows has caught up and the Linux community is asleep at the wheel trying to find an sales model that works and building CRAP in the process.
If you don't like what Apple is doing (and this is certainly not the first time they've done something I don't like) then don't buy their products. Don't hack the damn player just so you can have your own music. Vote with your feet. It's the only way they'll get the message.
The iPod was the only Apple device I'd considered buying in about 20 years. (I learnt my lesson from the way I was treated with my last purchase which was an Apple IIe). Its this sort of nonesense that means I won't do it. Other players are coming out and I doubt the iPods stranglehold on the market will continue.
...Which makes it all the more funny to watch people set it on that side, thinking they're protecting the read surface.
Laying optical media on the label side makes sense unless you're putting it down on something that's going to scratch it. Dust, and even small scuffs that don't wear through the whole layer or scratch part of the disc off will have no effect on the label side but will make the optical side unreadable or force you to clean it before it will read. I wouldn't put the label side on glue or gravel, but then I wouldn't put the optical side down on that either.
It doesn't explain why they pick up swearwords much easier than normal words:)
Becaus swear words are usually harsher sounding and emphasised when used in speech. You might as well be yelling "pay attention to the next word!" at the top of your lungs.
I know bad joke but I'm sorry I just couldn't resist:-)
Actually as silly as this paper seems it reminds me of Einstein's explanatation of Brownian Motion. Published the same year as his Special Relativity paper it was titled "On the Motion--Required by the Molecular Kinetic Theory of Heat--of Small Particles Suspended in a Stationary Liquid". I doubt this paper is as significant, but it may not be as trivial as it sounds when reported in laymans terms either.
Whether you were trying to do that or not, you seem to have incited a discussion thread that had on one side you claiming that a technically difficult feat cannot be art, and a whole lot of technical people on the other side rebuking your insulting assertion.
Now you're completely mis-stating my argument. I was not saying that a technically difficult feat cannot be art. I was stating that a specific useless and inelegant technical demonstration was not art.
You either haven't taken the time to understand what I was saying, or are incapable of doing so. If you're going to paraphrase what I say be kind enough to be accurate damn it!
Do you program? Is it that you can't appreciate artistic qualities of technical works?
Actually, I make my living programming and am a hobbyist to boot. I find this kind of stupidity abhorent, and so will other people who code. You're just plain being arrogant and condescending.
I fail to see how I acted arrogantly or audaciously. I don't recall telling you what your intentions were, nor telling you what to think! Looking farther back in this thread, I see nothing of the sort.
Then open your eyes.
The initial purpose for moderation was to weed out outrageous trolls. Your post, indeed, does not fall into that category.
Then why meta-moderate it as troll, if you don't agree with it? I wonder if you're just trying to get a rise out of me...
Anyway, I'm bored with this, and have better things to do like watch grass grow. If you wish to believe that anything technically difficult is also "beautiful", "wonderful" and "artistic" then that's your problem. Anyone can meta-moderate so have fun with that too. Have a nice life. Further posts will be ignored.
> Try not posting as AC and then maybe we can talk
You still seem to be responding.
This is a response too. I didn't say I wouldn't respond. I said I wouldn't talk as in argue the point. (Technically write not talk, just in case you're too feeble minded to understand not to take things literally).
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I was not trying to do that but I am entitled to the opinion that the comparison of a technically difficult but useless thing to fine art is insulting to fine art, and essentially shows zero class when it comes to what some people think of as art.
If you don't like that, you're entitled to your opinion too - moderate/meta-moderate as you will - but don't you dare have the arrogance and audacity to tell me what my intentions are or were, let alone how I should think. Who made you my judge or keeper?
I have found repeatedly that moderation on/. is not a reflection of the merits of the post, but rather a reflection of the popularity of the comment. For example criticise ease of use problems with say Linux or Thunderbird - regardless of the merits of the argument - and see if you don't get moderated right down 9 times out of 10. Its disgusting but I suppose its my fault for expecting more maturity out of some. What do you think the end result of that is? Inane posts increase, and critical thinking decreases.
Try not posting as AC and then maybe we can talk. I haven't had a lot modded up but I've had runs of stuff at 4 and 5. I'd write more but you're unlikely to read this. That is of course assuming its not just the same person posting as AC.
In the past, researchers have complained about the relatively (relative when you're dealing with terabytes of data) small bandwidth they can access to send data, and the addition of the NLR will most likely be a boon to research."
The complaints will continue. There's always a larger data set to move, and complaining is human nature. This new network is a good thing but are they spending time/money on educating the researchers on the most efficient use of the network? That'll increase the longevity of the network.
Phase 1: Retire SMTP Phase 2: Panic Phase 3: Develop, implement and distribute new e-mail sending system (maybe profit)
Phase 4: Realize that because you rushed the development the new standard is worse than SMTP and has more holes than 10kg of swiss cheese.
You definitely need a standard that can co-exist with SMTP for a long while, and a slow phased shutdown of SMTP. Ahhh how I've seen companies rush to replace one system with another, only to realize after spending a fortune that the new system is worse than the old. Lets do it on a global scale shall we? Just for fun?
I thought the people who don't have a clue what art is were the ones who went around trying to tell other people what was, and wasn't, art.:)
That's your argument? A slightly more sophisticated "Nyer nyer I'm rubber you're glue whatever you say bounces off me and sticks on you"?
Get a clue people. It is ridiculous to suggest that it is art to take a very slow machine and run a modern OS under emulation on it. Comparing it to fine art is even worse - you're basically insulting every famous painter that ever lived. These people spend years perfecting their skills. You're comparing this to spending hours, or days installing software then walking away and coming back every once in while to watch it trying to boot. How wonderful...
Someone somewhere is going to make a lot of money out of you.
I wonder how much of that would stand up legally. For example forcing you to take an allergy test might be quite a hard one to enforce. To make it financially worthwhile might require a bigger market than they're likely to have.
No on-sale may or may not be legal in different jurisdicitons.
I believe though that usually the rules which aren't legal are the only ones stricken off a legal agreement if it goes to court though. So that sounds more like cat rental to ownership than me.
For $3500, kitty better have at least 20GB of storage in her butt.
If the quality of music you normally listen to sounds like it came out of a cat's butt, you need a change in music.
Don't worry about the 20GB storage. No pet owner has ever come to the end of their time with a pet and thought "man I'm going to miss what came out of the little critter's butt, if only there was more".
when owners start breeding from them and selling on the kittens??? Will there be a strict EULA that forbids the owner from breeding and that they must have them neutered at the first available opportunity?
Why not just GE the kittens to be sterile in the first place?
"Technically hard things with no practical use" is an intriguing description of art.
Go on call me stupid again but that's a pathetic definition/description of what art is. It would be techinically difficult to climb mount Everest, running the whole way wihtout stopping, and with a goat under one arm, while singing "I am a turnip" at the top of your lungs. I would not however call it art. Nor would I call it a practical achievement, nor would it make me suddenly respect whoever did it. Yet even this insane (and impossible) act would still be more artistic and creative than running a modern operating system under emulation on the slowest piece of shit hardware you can find.
You wouldn't know what art was if it bit you on the buttocks, and I don't have the time or inclination to try to inform you in a public forum. Get a clue and sod off. (Not necessarily in that order).
*Chuckle* Gotta love/. I've never seen anything go from 2:insightful to -1:flamebait in about 1 minute. Some people don't have a clue what art is. These are the same people who When given lots of money buy paintings made by an elephant with its trunk in standing in front of a jumbo jet engine.
You mean pre-pubescent geek boy with no social skills downloadz warez copy of latest 3d shooter and wastes thousands of hours shooting monsters then gets bored and eventually starts downloading mods and creating own game maps?
Oooohhhhhhh, you mean there's another plot to the game?:-)
I feel sorry for people who bitch about how this has no "practical" use. I can't help thinking they're the same ones who walk into art museums and make winning comments like "pfff, I could do THAT..."
You're comparing this to fine art????? Walk away from your computer RIGHT NOW and get a life. Start by talking a walk in the fresh air or talking face to face with another human being.
What a Greedy Greedy man. He's become rich by making software unaffordable, but its not enough. He now wants to force hardware manufacturers to sell the fruit of their labour for next to nothing so he and his can continue to push up the price of his mediocre but standard software. Its absolutely disgusting.
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I KNOW I'll be modded troll and the like but i have to say this. Linux is NOT READY for the desktop.
/boot to be 5-10Mb AFTER I'd allocated the space, and I still don't know if it was netcfg, diald or the fact that I had to boot off floppy that ate /etc/network/interfaces which I had to build off another machine.
/etc, and the kernel. I'm no stranger to a kernel recompile.
I'd used Slackware then RedHat Linux for years but found myself in Windows much more often to justify the time and effort of admining 2 operating systems. So I took a break from Linux.
I've recently set up a CVS repository for work. I played with Fedora Core 2 and Debian, since these were the most commonly used free (as in beer) fully featured distros - I simply wasn't going to get funding to do this, and I got the PC begrudgingly after trying and giving up on CVSNT with Eclipse.
Let me say things have gone backwards since last I looked. Nothing is stable. Nothing works out of the box. I remember Redhat 7.0 and up being fairly solid but I had to go through hell to get Debian to work (I still don't have KDE running properly on Debian). I was completely underwhelmed by the Debian installer - it did stupid things like tell me I needed
(The machine I was orgiinally given was too small but booted off CD. The machine I finally set up had more drive space but didn't boot from CD. This isn't entirely Linux's fault but after 10 years you'd think they'd rename the boot floppies to install floppies instead of having a lovely message about this on the first install screen. I also needed to rely on knowledge I hadn't used in 10 years - since switching to Redhat - to boot off floppy).
I had less trouble with CVS, which is working nicely. Forget about Fedora Core 2 on VMWare. It runs like a dog.
Bear in mind I have admined a few Linux boxes before. I know my way around the standard admin and config programs,
You really expect garden variety end users to dump Windows, and learn to troubleshoot at the low level? Come on! Get a clue. So much for Linux as a desktop replacement. What a goddamn joke.
Things need NEED to get MUCH better than this before we encourage users to use Linux or it will never take off. It needs to work well out of the box. The install needs to be friendly and intuitive. Not everyone wants to spend hours playing sysadmin for the sake of it.
Make no mistake Windows has caught up and the Linux community is asleep at the wheel trying to find an sales model that works and building CRAP in the process.
Disgustedly...
If you don't like what Apple is doing (and this is certainly not the first time they've done something I don't like) then don't buy their products. Don't hack the damn player just so you can have your own music. Vote with your feet. It's the only way they'll get the message.
The iPod was the only Apple device I'd considered buying in about 20 years. (I learnt my lesson from the way I was treated with my last purchase which was an Apple IIe). Its this sort of nonesense that means I won't do it. Other players are coming out and I doubt the iPods stranglehold on the market will continue.
Thanks for correcting the typo.
Laying optical media on the label side makes sense unless you're putting it down on something that's going to scratch it. Dust, and even small scuffs that don't wear through the whole layer or scratch part of the disc off will have no effect on the label side but will make the optical side unreadable or force you to clean it before it will read. I wouldn't put the label side on glue or gravel, but then I wouldn't put the optical side down on that either.
But why is it that not a single one supports Mt. Reiner?
Its Mt. Ranier, and at the moment its pretty much vapourware. Check this out. (Not authoritative but well put).
It doesn't explain why they pick up swearwords much easier than normal words :)
Becaus swear words are usually harsher sounding and emphasised when used in speech. You might as well be yelling "pay attention to the next word!" at the top of your lungs.
I know bad joke but I'm sorry I just couldn't resist :-)
Actually as silly as this paper seems it reminds me of Einstein's explanatation of Brownian Motion. Published the same year as his Special Relativity paper it was titled "On the Motion--Required by the Molecular Kinetic Theory of Heat--of Small Particles Suspended in a Stationary Liquid". I doubt this paper is as significant, but it may not be as trivial as it sounds when reported in laymans terms either.
Whether you were trying to do that or not, you seem to have incited a discussion thread that had on one side you claiming that a technically difficult feat cannot be art, and a whole lot of technical people on the other side rebuking your insulting assertion.
Now you're completely mis-stating my argument. I was not saying that a technically difficult feat cannot be art. I was stating that a specific useless and inelegant technical demonstration was not art.
You either haven't taken the time to understand what I was saying, or are incapable of doing so. If you're going to paraphrase what I say be kind enough to be accurate damn it!
Do you program? Is it that you can't appreciate artistic qualities of technical works?
Actually, I make my living programming and am a hobbyist to boot. I find this kind of stupidity abhorent, and so will other people who code. You're just plain being arrogant and condescending.
I fail to see how I acted arrogantly or audaciously. I don't recall telling you what your intentions were, nor telling you what to think! Looking farther back in this thread, I see nothing of the sort.
Then open your eyes.
The initial purpose for moderation was to weed out outrageous trolls. Your post, indeed, does not fall into that category.
Then why meta-moderate it as troll, if you don't agree with it? I wonder if you're just trying to get a rise out of me...
Anyway, I'm bored with this, and have better things to do like watch grass grow. If you wish to believe that anything technically difficult is also "beautiful", "wonderful" and "artistic" then that's your problem. Anyone can meta-moderate so have fun with that too. Have a nice life. Further posts will be ignored.
> Try not posting as AC and then maybe we can talk
You still seem to be responding.
This is a response too. I didn't say I wouldn't respond. I said I wouldn't talk as in argue the point. (Technically write not talk, just in case you're too feeble minded to understand not to take things literally).
Having fun yet?
Flamebait: A Usenet posting or other message intended to trigger a flame war, or one that invites flames in reply.
/. is not a reflection of the merits of the post, but rather a reflection of the popularity of the comment. For example criticise ease of use problems with say Linux or Thunderbird - regardless of the merits of the argument - and see if you don't get moderated right down 9 times out of 10. Its disgusting but I suppose its my fault for expecting more maturity out of some. What do you think the end result of that is? Inane posts increase, and critical thinking decreases.
I was not trying to do that but I am entitled to the opinion that the comparison of a technically difficult but useless thing to fine art is insulting to fine art, and essentially shows zero class when it comes to what some people think of as art.
If you don't like that, you're entitled to your opinion too - moderate/meta-moderate as you will - but don't you dare have the arrogance and audacity to tell me what my intentions are or were, let alone how I should think. Who made you my judge or keeper?
I have found repeatedly that moderation on
Try not posting as AC and then maybe we can talk. I haven't had a lot modded up but I've had runs of stuff at 4 and 5. I'd write more but you're unlikely to read this. That is of course assuming its not just the same person posting as AC.
In the past, researchers have complained about the relatively (relative when you're dealing with terabytes of data) small bandwidth they can access to send data, and the addition of the NLR will most likely be a boon to research."
The complaints will continue. There's always a larger data set to move, and complaining is human nature. This new network is a good thing but are they spending time/money on educating the researchers on the most efficient use of the network? That'll increase the longevity of the network.
Phase 1: Retire SMTP
Phase 2: Panic
Phase 3: Develop, implement and distribute new e-mail sending system (maybe profit)
Phase 4: Realize that because you rushed the development the new standard is worse than SMTP and has more holes than 10kg of swiss cheese.
You definitely need a standard that can co-exist with SMTP for a long while, and a slow phased shutdown of SMTP. Ahhh how I've seen companies rush to replace one system with another, only to realize after spending a fortune that the new system is worse than the old. Lets do it on a global scale shall we? Just for fun?
I thought the people who don't have a clue what art is were the ones who went around trying to tell other people what was, and wasn't, art. :)
That's your argument? A slightly more sophisticated "Nyer nyer I'm rubber you're glue whatever you say bounces off me and sticks on you"?
Get a clue people. It is ridiculous to suggest that it is art to take a very slow machine and run a modern OS under emulation on it. Comparing it to fine art is even worse - you're basically insulting every famous painter that ever lived. These people spend years perfecting their skills. You're comparing this to spending hours, or days installing software then walking away and coming back every once in while to watch it trying to boot. How wonderful...
Someone somewhere is going to make a lot of money out of you.
IANAL but...
I wonder how much of that would stand up legally. For example forcing you to take an allergy test might be quite a hard one to enforce. To make it financially worthwhile might require a bigger market than they're likely to have.
No on-sale may or may not be legal in different jurisdicitons.
I believe though that usually the rules which aren't legal are the only ones stricken off a legal agreement if it goes to court though. So that sounds more like cat rental to ownership than me.
Legal stupidity abounds.
For $3500, kitty better have at least 20GB of storage in her butt.
If the quality of music you normally listen to sounds like it came out of a cat's butt, you need a change in music.
Don't worry about the 20GB storage. No pet owner has ever come to the end of their time with a pet and thought "man I'm going to miss what came out of the little critter's butt, if only there was more".
when owners start breeding from them and selling on the kittens??? Will there be a strict EULA that forbids the owner from breeding and that they must have them neutered at the first available opportunity?
Why not just GE the kittens to be sterile in the first place?
"Technically hard things with no practical use" is an intriguing description of art.
Go on call me stupid again but that's a pathetic definition/description of what art is. It would be techinically difficult to climb mount Everest, running the whole way wihtout stopping, and with a goat under one arm, while singing "I am a turnip" at the top of your lungs. I would not however call it art. Nor would I call it a practical achievement, nor would it make me suddenly respect whoever did it. Yet even this insane (and impossible) act would still be more artistic and creative than running a modern operating system under emulation on the slowest piece of shit hardware you can find.
You wouldn't know what art was if it bit you on the buttocks, and I don't have the time or inclination to try to inform you in a public forum. Get a clue and sod off. (Not necessarily in that order).
Looking stupid once just wasn't enough for you, was it?
You think doing technically hard things with absolutely no practical use is on the same level as producing fine art, and you're calling me stupid?
*Chuckle* Gotta love /. I've never seen anything go from 2:insightful to -1:flamebait in about 1 minute. Some people don't have a clue what art is. These are the same people who When given lots of money buy paintings made by an elephant with its trunk in standing in front of a jumbo jet engine.
Its your life kid.
You mean pre-pubescent geek boy with no social skills downloadz warez copy of latest 3d shooter and wastes thousands of hours shooting monsters then gets bored and eventually starts downloading mods and creating own game maps?
:-)
Oooohhhhhhh, you mean there's another plot to the game?
If only she'd have used her powers for good instead of evil...
I feel sorry for people who bitch about how this has no "practical" use. I can't help thinking they're the same ones who walk into art museums and make winning comments like "pfff, I could do THAT..."
You're comparing this to fine art????? Walk away from your computer RIGHT NOW and get a life. Start by talking a walk in the fresh air or talking face to face with another human being.
What a Greedy Greedy man. He's become rich by making software unaffordable, but its not enough. He now wants to force hardware manufacturers to sell the fruit of their labour for next to nothing so he and his can continue to push up the price of his mediocre but standard software. Its absolutely disgusting.