How many others of you have noticed how Google Maps has gone from something relatively useful, to the bloated piece of crap that it is now, which takes a geologic age to load or really do anything, even on a fast computer with a fast internet connection?
What if I study the brain, and make a complete functional copy of all the little details, without understanding what it actually does on a higher level. The copy behaves exactly the same. Mission accomplished.
You CAN'T. THEY can't. If they could they'd do that already. No one has ANY IDEA HOW THE HUMAN BRAIN ACTUALLY WORKS AND NEITHER DO YOU.
That won't work. You can't talk to it to be sure it actually understands what it's doing and why. You can't talk to it and be sure it understands the value of human life, and why ramming itself into a telephone pole is a better choice than ramming itself into a crowd of pedestrians. You can't spend time driving with it, talking with it for six months while it's only got a learners permit, getting a sense of whether or not it's actually going to be a competent, reliable, and trustworthy driver. It's just a machine and you have no idea why it's making the decisions it's making. Yet so many of you are willing to put your life in it's hands. Personally I think you're all insane.
You seem to not slow down and actually read things, so here, let me help you:
We have no idea yet how human sentience works, therefore it is impossible to emulate it with machinery. Anyone who tells you different is either lying to you, or is a fool who believes the hype.
A prosthetic leg doesn't need to have to 'think' at all, it's a leg, and a prosthetic leg isn't going to potentially cause the deaths of dozens of people when it goes berzerk because they let it loose on the streets without understanding how it even works. Meanwhile some idiots make a box on wheels that can drive 100 miles per hour, but there's no steering wheel or brake pedal, just some half-assed computer program that some marketing idiots and media fools incorrectly labeled 'AI', and they have no idea how it's even doing what it's doing, they just rush to ship, ship, ship it! Sounds like a great public safety plan to me.
An intelligent program so complex that it's almost imposible to explain or understand is in my view the correct path
Sure, fine. But you should not be allowed to put it in control of a vehicle, or any other application where human safety is at stake. Play with it in a lab somewhere where it can't hurt anyone.
We have no idea yet how human sentience works, therefore it is impossible to emulate it with machinery. Anyone who tells you different is either lying to you, or is a fool who believes the hype.
Science fiction author Larry Niven came up with a way to solve this problem, which this article reminded me of: 'Russian sleep sets' would induce a current in your brain, causing you to sleep. It was super-efficient, and only a couple hours under it's influence would leave you as refreshed and ready to go as a full 8 hours' normal sleep. I can't imagine we'd get anything so great as that, but to be able to put on a headset of some sort, set a timer, be instantly asleep, sleep deeply, and wake up completely refreshed every time? That'd be a game-changer.
A person can be smart; people (in the most inclusive sense of the word) can be very, very dumb. $PEOPLE can be fairly easily hacked; appeal in the right way to their emotions or instincts, and you effectively bypass their higher reasoning capabilities and have them act entirely on hardwired instincts alone. For instance, people in a sufficient level of distress (whether caused by real circumstances, or perceived circumstances), presented with a 'savior', will put themselves entirely in that persons' hands.
Now, good luck knowing 5% of what's happening on your box.
It's worse that that, friend. These days, you try to 'reverse engineer' something, and they catch you, you're slapped with infringement, sued, fined, or perhaps labeled a 'cyberterrorist', because 'you're violating our IP' and you're 'hacking our DRM, which is ILLEGAL'. But you're also right. The number of registers in your typical SoC or CPU and chipset, if printed in even 8 point font, would fill volumes, and that's just the listings, not the descriptions of what they are. And, again, most of it is proprietary, and you'll get your life ruined for trying to suss it all out. No fun allowed anymore!
After the CDP1802-based system, expanded on from a 1976 Popular Electronics article to include 8kB static RAM, a serial interface, and integer BASIC in ROM (2708 EPROMs no less) all running on a ASR33 TTY (I/O for the BASIC loading from paper tape, I wrote the I/O myself, it loaded from the paper tape reader), there was the POLY88 system, then the IMSAI8080, and finally the Morrow Designs system, the DSDD 8" half-height drives, the Shugart SA4000 14" HDD, the various VDTs connected to it, and CP/M 2.2. Wrote all kinds of stuff in BDS C, and even a RAMdisk to use the 256kB memory board I had plugged in. Later I had a video card, which I had to write a BIOS driver for, RTC, and a few other things I can't even remember now. All this is what I refer to as 'when computers were still fun'. Then there were the knock-off XT clone motherboards, MSDOS, and so on.
These days? It's just work. Everything is monetized to within a micrometer of it's life, locked down with DRM, everything spies on you, everything tracks you, and you can't really effectively 'build' anything yourself, it's all Tinker Toys you just bolt together, load OS and software that 10000 people wrote and is too complex to ever do yourself, and there's no point in even bothering to write anything for yourself. Sure, there's RPi and microcontrollers and such, but the magic is all gone, there's nothing left to discover. These days when I come home from work I don't tinker with electronics or writing software, I go ride my bike. That's still fun at least.
When I was in Highschool, I got a broken VDT from them with a built-in 300bps accoustic-coupler modem. Had to connect an external monitor to the thing; basically a VDT with no monitor and an accoustic coupler for a standard Bell-style office phone handset. Had shift-register video memory, which occasionally would drop random bits, corrupting characters on the screen. No lowercase characters, was basically a 'glass TTY'. RTL logic chips in it. Actually managed to repair it.
Not to fear: the internet is being closed back up against as fast as people can sign up for Facebook, use closed/proprietary IM systems, and DRM everything in sight.
..and the second AC said:
It is about time to build an Internet on top of the Internet. One that can be truly free.
..and then there's what you said.
None of you are wrong. The Internet is becoming nigh-unto unusable, because of what corporations and ISPs like Comcast are trying to do to it, turn it back into the 'walled gardens' that existed just before the Internet became so easily available to the public. The second AC is right, but for one detail: if there is no 'net neutrality', then ISPs could simply detect this Tor-like extranet, and either throttle the traffic down to an unusable speed, or block it entirely, using the excuse that they believe it to be 'criminal traffic' that they don't want on their networks, or somesuch nonsense. This is why the fight to keep the Internet open and free for all to use needs to continue. Otherwise it really will become unusable, except for what corporations want it to be used for.
Oh and I'm replying to you because there's no telling if an AC is even going to come back to check if there are replies to their AC comments.
Pharmaceutical companies exist to make a profit, because of capitalism. Capitalism is an extension of the 'law of the jungle'. You want to change that situation, then find a way to hurry the genetic and social evolution of humankind, all over the world, so we aren't driven by hardwired animal instincts anymore.
You must be under 30. Perhaps even under 21.
Are you really so dependent on the Internet that you can't imagine life without it? Like you'll curl up and die unless you can see and post on Facebook, or play online games, or see the latest memes? If so then I pity you, I don't think you're a survivor, not at all. You'll pay through the nose to your ISP no matter how shitty they treat you, I guess, be sure to enjoy that.
I don't know about anyone else, but if it comes to that, I'll start thinking seriously about skipping Internet completely, or just scaling it back to the cheapest, bare minimum I can get, or just using free access from public libraries or coffeeshops or something, because that would be rediculous. I think we're well past the point of being able to roll things back to the 90's, where it was all 'walled gardens' with little to no interconnectivity. I honestly believe if they tried that, they'd kill the whole idea of 'The Internet' completely. So far as I'm concerned, they're already doing a great job of that.
Unless there is legislation passed that requires you to pay for Internet service, we still have the ability to vote with our dollars. If people stop using the internet because it's just not worth it, they'll have to change or go out of business. It's never too late for the Internet to be 'just a passing fad', if they screw it up bad enough exactly that could happen. In all seriousness, do you really believe that your life would end without the Internet? If you do then you need to re-examine your priorities in life, and that's what I really believe.
I just love Judi Dench, she's such an awesome actor. I was really sad to see her leave the James Bond movies.:-(
Actually three things came to mind here:
* Judi Dench
* Andrew Scott (batshit-insane Moriarty in the British Sherlock series)
* Natalie Dormer (totally hot female version of Moriarty in the U.S. Elementary series)
So far as Facebook goes.. creepy-as-hell. Do not want.
So glad I don't use Facebook.
Uh-huh. Also be sure not to miss your daily dose of water from your radium jar, otherwise you won't get the full benefits of all those wonderful zoomies!
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How many others of you have noticed how Google Maps has gone from something relatively useful, to the bloated piece of crap that it is now, which takes a geologic age to load or really do anything, even on a fast computer with a fast internet connection?
I'd rather walk everywhere the rest of my life than ride in some so-called 'autonomous' death-trap.
What if I study the brain, and make a complete functional copy of all the little details, without understanding what it actually does on a higher level. The copy behaves exactly the same. Mission accomplished.
You CAN'T. THEY can't. If they could they'd do that already. No one has ANY IDEA HOW THE HUMAN BRAIN ACTUALLY WORKS AND NEITHER DO YOU.
That won't work. You can't talk to it to be sure it actually understands what it's doing and why. You can't talk to it and be sure it understands the value of human life, and why ramming itself into a telephone pole is a better choice than ramming itself into a crowd of pedestrians. You can't spend time driving with it, talking with it for six months while it's only got a learners permit, getting a sense of whether or not it's actually going to be a competent, reliable, and trustworthy driver. It's just a machine and you have no idea why it's making the decisions it's making. Yet so many of you are willing to put your life in it's hands. Personally I think you're all insane.
You seem to not slow down and actually read things, so here, let me help you:
We have no idea yet how human sentience works, therefore it is impossible to emulate it with machinery. Anyone who tells you different is either lying to you, or is a fool who believes the hype.
A prosthetic leg doesn't need to have to 'think' at all, it's a leg, and a prosthetic leg isn't going to potentially cause the deaths of dozens of people when it goes berzerk because they let it loose on the streets without understanding how it even works. Meanwhile some idiots make a box on wheels that can drive 100 miles per hour, but there's no steering wheel or brake pedal, just some half-assed computer program that some marketing idiots and media fools incorrectly labeled 'AI', and they have no idea how it's even doing what it's doing, they just rush to ship, ship, ship it! Sounds like a great public safety plan to me.
An intelligent program so complex that it's almost imposible to explain or understand is in my view the correct path
Sure, fine. But you should not be allowed to put it in control of a vehicle, or any other application where human safety is at stake. Play with it in a lab somewhere where it can't hurt anyone.
No, there is not. We have no idea how human sentience works therefore we can't make machines that have that quality. We may never.
We have no idea yet how human sentience works, therefore it is impossible to emulate it with machinery. Anyone who tells you different is either lying to you, or is a fool who believes the hype.
Science fiction author Larry Niven came up with a way to solve this problem, which this article reminded me of: 'Russian sleep sets' would induce a current in your brain, causing you to sleep. It was super-efficient, and only a couple hours under it's influence would leave you as refreshed and ready to go as a full 8 hours' normal sleep. I can't imagine we'd get anything so great as that, but to be able to put on a headset of some sort, set a timer, be instantly asleep, sleep deeply, and wake up completely refreshed every time? That'd be a game-changer.
A person can be smart; people (in the most inclusive sense of the word) can be very, very dumb.
$PEOPLE can be fairly easily hacked; appeal in the right way to their emotions or instincts, and you effectively bypass their higher reasoning capabilities and have them act entirely on hardwired instincts alone. For instance, people in a sufficient level of distress (whether caused by real circumstances, or perceived circumstances), presented with a 'savior', will put themselves entirely in that persons' hands.
Now, good luck knowing 5% of what's happening on your box.
It's worse that that, friend. These days, you try to 'reverse engineer' something, and they catch you, you're slapped with infringement, sued, fined, or perhaps labeled a 'cyberterrorist', because 'you're violating our IP' and you're 'hacking our DRM, which is ILLEGAL'. But you're also right. The number of registers in your typical SoC or CPU and chipset, if printed in even 8 point font, would fill volumes, and that's just the listings, not the descriptions of what they are. And, again, most of it is proprietary, and you'll get your life ruined for trying to suss it all out. No fun allowed anymore!
After the CDP1802-based system, expanded on from a 1976 Popular Electronics article to include 8kB static RAM, a serial interface, and integer BASIC in ROM (2708 EPROMs no less) all running on a ASR33 TTY (I/O for the BASIC loading from paper tape, I wrote the I/O myself, it loaded from the paper tape reader), there was the POLY88 system, then the IMSAI8080, and finally the Morrow Designs system, the DSDD 8" half-height drives, the Shugart SA4000 14" HDD, the various VDTs connected to it, and CP/M 2.2. Wrote all kinds of stuff in BDS C, and even a RAMdisk to use the 256kB memory board I had plugged in. Later I had a video card, which I had to write a BIOS driver for, RTC, and a few other things I can't even remember now. All this is what I refer to as 'when computers were still fun'. Then there were the knock-off XT clone motherboards, MSDOS, and so on.
These days? It's just work. Everything is monetized to within a micrometer of it's life, locked down with DRM, everything spies on you, everything tracks you, and you can't really effectively 'build' anything yourself, it's all Tinker Toys you just bolt together, load OS and software that 10000 people wrote and is too complex to ever do yourself, and there's no point in even bothering to write anything for yourself. Sure, there's RPi and microcontrollers and such, but the magic is all gone, there's nothing left to discover. These days when I come home from work I don't tinker with electronics or writing software, I go ride my bike. That's still fun at least.
When I was in Highschool, I got a broken VDT from them with a built-in 300bps accoustic-coupler modem. Had to connect an external monitor to the thing; basically a VDT with no monitor and an accoustic coupler for a standard Bell-style office phone handset. Had shift-register video memory, which occasionally would drop random bits, corrupting characters on the screen. No lowercase characters, was basically a 'glass TTY'. RTL logic chips in it. Actually managed to repair it.
Not to fear: the internet is being closed back up against as fast as people can sign up for Facebook, use closed/proprietary IM systems, and DRM everything in sight.
..and the second AC said:
It is about time to build an Internet on top of the Internet. One that can be truly free.
..and then there's what you said.
None of you are wrong. The Internet is becoming nigh-unto unusable, because of what corporations and ISPs like Comcast are trying to do to it, turn it back into the 'walled gardens' that existed just before the Internet became so easily available to the public. The second AC is right, but for one detail: if there is no 'net neutrality', then ISPs could simply detect this Tor-like extranet, and either throttle the traffic down to an unusable speed, or block it entirely, using the excuse that they believe it to be 'criminal traffic' that they don't want on their networks, or somesuch nonsense. This is why the fight to keep the Internet open and free for all to use needs to continue. Otherwise it really will become unusable, except for what corporations want it to be used for.
Oh and I'm replying to you because there's no telling if an AC is even going to come back to check if there are replies to their AC comments.
Pharmaceutical companies exist to make a profit, because of capitalism. Capitalism is an extension of the 'law of the jungle'. You want to change that situation, then find a way to hurry the genetic and social evolution of humankind, all over the world, so we aren't driven by hardwired animal instincts anymore.
Trolololol.
You must be lost, friend, here, let me redirect you back to where you belong: http://www.4chan.net/b
You must be under 30. Perhaps even under 21.
Are you really so dependent on the Internet that you can't imagine life without it? Like you'll curl up and die unless you can see and post on Facebook, or play online games, or see the latest memes? If so then I pity you, I don't think you're a survivor, not at all. You'll pay through the nose to your ISP no matter how shitty they treat you, I guess, be sure to enjoy that.
I don't know about anyone else, but if it comes to that, I'll start thinking seriously about skipping Internet completely, or just scaling it back to the cheapest, bare minimum I can get, or just using free access from public libraries or coffeeshops or something, because that would be rediculous. I think we're well past the point of being able to roll things back to the 90's, where it was all 'walled gardens' with little to no interconnectivity. I honestly believe if they tried that, they'd kill the whole idea of 'The Internet' completely. So far as I'm concerned, they're already doing a great job of that.
Unless there is legislation passed that requires you to pay for Internet service, we still have the ability to vote with our dollars. If people stop using the internet because it's just not worth it, they'll have to change or go out of business. It's never too late for the Internet to be 'just a passing fad', if they screw it up bad enough exactly that could happen. In all seriousness, do you really believe that your life would end without the Internet? If you do then you need to re-examine your priorities in life, and that's what I really believe.
I just love Judi Dench, she's such an awesome actor. I was really sad to see her leave the James Bond movies. :-(
Actually three things came to mind here:
* Judi Dench
* Andrew Scott (batshit-insane Moriarty in the British Sherlock series)
* Natalie Dormer (totally hot female version of Moriarty in the U.S. Elementary series)
So far as Facebook goes.. creepy-as-hell. Do not want.
So glad I don't use Facebook.
Lyft. xD
Rats Fleeing Sinking Ship, Film At Eleven
How about you don't 'collect' anything on anyone for any reason, you bastards?
Uh-huh. Also be sure not to miss your daily dose of water from your radium jar, otherwise you won't get the full benefits of all those wonderful zoomies!