1) if you judge people by their email expect to die alone and miserable. 2) I went to Ohio University and majored in Business. You're a really smart guy!
The most complicated mathematic construct I've had to use in my IT career (which has been 9 years now, I first started doing phone support when I was 19 and have been a programmer for the last 5 years) is standard deviation, for a report I wrote a couple of years ago.
Most business programming these days consists of J2EE type stuff where all the heavy math has been done for you inside the framework and you're just gluing parts together. As such, these are also where the most jobs are, and where the majority of jobs are, so are the most entry-level positions.
I'm not saying that anybody is wasting their time getting a CS degree. But you're not going to get a job if your ego gets in the way of your interpersonal skills and you try to overengineer everything. I work with a guy that does that, his projects are always overbudget, he misses every deadline - even ones he sets for himself - and he fancies himself a 'scientist' rather than a programmer.
Gee, I didn't realize so many MIT AI Lab faculty members posted here. *rolls eyes*
I hate to get defensive over this egomaniacal IQ pissing contest, but I should further explain.
It's not that I don't value the science. It's just that true Computer Science jobs are very rare and you better be willing to swallow your pride and do database forms and other "trivial" stuff if you want a job. If you don't want to do so, someone will be willing to take your pride and shove it down your throat against your will.
As for the shit about "being my boss," well, I love seeing these pretentious asses with their Magna Cum Laude CS degrees get tossed out on the street by soulless MBAs right alongside us self-taught code monkeys that go out and find a job two weeks later due to our experience and our ability to shut up about theory and get shit done.
There are no ubermenschen, which means that you are not an ubermensch. Get over yourself.
But if you wonder how complex SQL queries can be simplified and executed with the least amount of resources, then CS is for you, and there will be math.
And you will learn it, and employers will not give a shit, because they just want to connect a webserver to a database, which is not science, and when you realize that your ego about your science knowledge has prevented you from finding a job anywhere but McDonald's, you will realize the error of your ways, and you will want to connect a webserver to a database.
Somehow, I rather doubt that Eyvind really said that he personally was an "evil spirit," and even if he did, the story seems to be an attempt to explain away what to me sounds like the most horrifying cruelty. Olaf's activities, in my opinion, did not follow the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth.
Since when have Jesus' teachings had anything to do with the church or other institutions of the real world?
Both of those are good points. Still, they can radio in for plate checks and other cross-referencing. That's what they did before the advent of wireless networks in the cars.
Yes, and we're talking about music studio engineers that use PCs for recording and editing. I remember articles in the early 90s about guys that were still using some Mac II because it was the last Mac to be made without a fan (until the iMac)
I see your point, and good design is essential, but in my experience, good design is as rare as an executive that cares about his/her employees.
The problem is when management hears "Struts" and thinks "oooh, shiny" and then they make you use it without giving you time to use it right. Even though that's the wrong way to do it, that's reality. You rarely ever have enough time to do something right in the professional world, so anything that requires even more time is counterproductive.
I'll say one good thing about struts: the validator kicks ass.
I looked at your code. It looked good. But what kind of real-world Struts stuff have you done, instead of just FOSS messageboards that you put together in your spare time? When you're dealing with real-world constraints like time, money, and requirements from non-technical users, Struts works against you at every turn.
The rule of today's software development industry is that everything but Java sucks unless you're writing device-drivers. Once you learn how to at least pay that rule lip service in your job interviews you'll have a career's worth of work.
Or B, the US worker keeps his job and is happy. Meanwhile, instead of having a job at below the ->US- minimum wage building cars, a man in the third world has to depend on his children and wife working or begging in order to avoid going hungry. His children don't recieve an education to speak of, let alone thinking of college. Without an education, his children will never be "middle class". Fuck them. They're not Americans. The US worker is who I care about. Why should I care about some curry-stinking Indian in Bangalore when I have bills of my own?
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I chose not to go, and I laugh at your pretentiousness. suck me raw.
1) if you judge people by their email expect to die alone and miserable.
2) I went to Ohio University and majored in Business. You're a really smart guy!
I'm also in St. Louis, so my original ideas come from the same experiences. I got lucky and hit on a good company, though, I've been here since 2001.
The most complicated mathematic construct I've had to use in my IT career (which has been 9 years now, I first started doing phone support when I was 19 and have been a programmer for the last 5 years) is standard deviation, for a report I wrote a couple of years ago.
Most business programming these days consists of J2EE type stuff where all the heavy math has been done for you inside the framework and you're just gluing parts together. As such, these are also where the most jobs are, and where the majority of jobs are, so are the most entry-level positions.
I'm not saying that anybody is wasting their time getting a CS degree. But you're not going to get a job if your ego gets in the way of your interpersonal skills and you try to overengineer everything. I work with a guy that does that, his projects are always overbudget, he misses every deadline - even ones he sets for himself - and he fancies himself a 'scientist' rather than a programmer.
Gee, I didn't realize so many MIT AI Lab faculty members posted here. *rolls eyes*
I hate to get defensive over this egomaniacal IQ pissing contest, but I should further explain.
It's not that I don't value the science. It's just that true Computer Science jobs are very rare and you better be willing to swallow your pride and do database forms and other "trivial" stuff if you want a job. If you don't want to do so, someone will be willing to take your pride and shove it down your throat against your will.
As for the shit about "being my boss," well, I love seeing these pretentious asses with their Magna Cum Laude CS degrees get tossed out on the street by soulless MBAs right alongside us self-taught code monkeys that go out and find a job two weeks later due to our experience and our ability to shut up about theory and get shit done.
There are no ubermenschen, which means that you are not an ubermensch. Get over yourself.
But if you wonder how complex SQL queries can be simplified and executed with the least amount of resources, then CS is for you, and there will be math.
And you will learn it, and employers will not give a shit, because they just want to connect a webserver to a database, which is not science, and when you realize that your ego about your science knowledge has prevented you from finding a job anywhere but McDonald's, you will realize the error of your ways, and you will want to connect a webserver to a database.
I never thought I'd be so happy to see something small and pink and wrinkly and wriggly
"but enough of what my wife tells me"
Somehow, I rather doubt that Eyvind really said that he personally was an "evil spirit," and even if he did, the story seems to be an attempt to explain away what to me sounds like the most horrifying cruelty. Olaf's activities, in my opinion, did not follow the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth.
Since when have Jesus' teachings had anything to do with the church or other institutions of the real world?
Both of those are good points. Still, they can radio in for plate checks and other cross-referencing. That's what they did before the advent of wireless networks in the cars.
Somehow I don't think they're going to ignore a guy mugging an old lady because they won't be able to write a report about it afterward.
Shut up, Milhouse!
Isn't this like bitching about the lack of diversity in Nazi Germany?
The USA under the neo-cons is a militaristic imperialistic bully. The days of the USA as the center of Enlightenment are long past.
neo-cons are against sex, too. About the only thing neo-cons think you should do for fun is spend money at their businesses.
or Fox News.
In America, our government outsources its totalitarianism so that it doesn't appear to be too evil.
Yes, and we're talking about music studio engineers that use PCs for recording and editing. I remember articles in the early 90s about guys that were still using some Mac II because it was the last Mac to be made without a fan (until the iMac)
I see your point, and good design is essential, but in my experience, good design is as rare as an executive that cares about his/her employees.
The problem is when management hears "Struts" and thinks "oooh, shiny" and then they make you use it without giving you time to use it right. Even though that's the wrong way to do it, that's reality. You rarely ever have enough time to do something right in the professional world, so anything that requires even more time is counterproductive.
I'll say one good thing about struts: the validator kicks ass.
I looked at your code. It looked good. But what kind of real-world Struts stuff have you done, instead of just FOSS messageboards that you put together in your spare time? When you're dealing with real-world constraints like time, money, and requirements from non-technical users, Struts works against you at every turn.
Struts is fully 100% buzzword-compliant.
The rule of today's software development industry is that everything but Java sucks unless you're writing device-drivers. Once you learn how to at least pay that rule lip service in your job interviews you'll have a career's worth of work.
I'll stake karma on what you said:
"Struts is such a big over-engineered pile of shit."
that's the funniest geek song I've seen on /.
there are more than a few churches down south that really believe that way and preach to their followers that it's true.
This story is depressing. Gravity brings me down.
If he starves to death he will be neither my competition nor my boss.
So how much is in your trust fund?
Or B, the US worker keeps his job and is happy. Meanwhile, instead of having a job at below the ->US- minimum wage building cars, a man in the third world has to depend on his children and wife working or begging in order to avoid going hungry. His children don't recieve an education to speak of, let alone thinking of college. Without an education, his children will never be "middle class".
Fuck them. They're not Americans. The US worker is who I care about. Why should I care about some curry-stinking Indian in Bangalore when I have bills of my own?