That's already happening. The games that are causing the most outcry right now are GTA and the various mods to GTA and Oblivion. What parent is STUPID enough to think these are good games for their kids, unless their kids are mature enough to handle what may be thrown at them?
I too don't mind a rating system. I actually like it. I like it for movies. If a movie is R and it's a horror movie (I hate horror movies) there's a chance it's way too over the top for me. Whereas if it's PG-13 it may work. So even for an adult choosing for themselves ratings can sometimes be beneficial. But in the end the parents have to actually be involved. We don't need more laws. We need parents to start doing their frickin' job. Across the board. Childhood obesity, kids falling behind in school? Don't blame me. I don't have kids. Time to take a look at the parents who ask for tax cuts, then whine when schools are ill-funded. Time to take a look at the parents who let their kids drink soda all day long then wonder why their fat AND hyper. Time to put them on Ritalin....
AAHHHHHHHGGGG. Top the madness. Parents, do you frickin' job.
Here here. When are parents going to be held accountable? I propose a law that makes it mandatory for you to pass a competency exam before you can have children. If you fail, they might someday grow up, get drunk and drive in to the side of my wife's car. I guarantee you that scenario is 1000 times more likely than someone shooting me because they played GTA. Either way, WHERE ARE THE PARENTS in this equation? Don't they have some responsibility?
What's amusing? The fact that a software developer who relies on a garbage collected virtual machine would use the term "closer to the metal"? If so I get your point and understand why you'd find it amusing. But it's just a term. It doesn't (with some of us at least) hold the same meaning it once did. It's a handy term to describe the way you develop, not necessarily that you're actually programming against the hardware.
I think that's a tougher call, really. I learned every language I currently use (and HTML) doing bare to the metal programming in Pico or JEdit, etc. I think it served me well. I personally think there are two ways to look at it.
IDE Way - The students will probably be able to develop faster and thus you can progress more quickly through more ideas and thus you can perhaps get more accomplished. Plus they can gain experience with the ins and outs of classpaths, IDE installation, things like that that they'll need to learn eventually anyway for real world Java development.
Non IDE Way - They might get through 4/5ths of the above lesson plan, but on the flip side they'll be closer to the metal, as someone already said and they'll learn to develop good style habits from the start and to debug even when they have no tool to lean on, just the JDK.
I personally would go with #2, but it depends on what you want to set out to accomplish. If you want to get deep into the language, #1 might be the way to go. But if you want to make sure they can truly walk before running, definitely #2.
They're out there. Maybe "fan" is the wrong word, but you know the types. System admins who swear by Sun because that's all they've ever used. And then one day they wake up and have to install Dapper Duck on their beloved Sun boxes.:)
This isn't a troll, but a serious question. How would the whole security setup of Ubuntu (the way root is handled) affect not just enterprise security, but also the transition of Solaris admins to installing things from source the Ubuntu way?
I think part of the problem is that Apple brags a lot about being an Open Source player. Taking that moral highground, you know. Bono is saving Africa while selling content on iTunes and the OS is sort of open source and Gandhi appears in print ads, so honest we're not like Microsoft....
That seems to be their strategy for positioning themselves. I frankly don't care what they do, but it comes of as a tad hypocritical to hear that kind of noise when you no Apple is just another company.
Tivo came along at just the right time for the networks in my case. I was *this* close to "killing my television" if for no other reason than I was bored with it. Tivo gave me some incentive to keep watching. If ads become forced again the TV will find a home at Goodwill.
Couldn't agree more. My wife and I fit the same pattern. We were literally one of the first 100,000 households with a Tivo. A long, long time ago. We also have a Series 2 now and NEVER watch the downloaded content save for maybe a movie trailer that we might already watch on Apple's website anyway. But we *do*, as you described, sometimes stop at commercials that interest us. And even when we're fastforwarding it's not like the commercial goes unnoticed. It's just like "Ford, Citibank, Local political ad, back to the show". So we know what ads are on even if they flip by in seconds. And if we happen to see one that catches our eye or we actually want to watch, we'll watch it. Now granted this doesn't mean if a 1hr. show were filled with the greatest commercials ever that we wouldn't fast forward. We still would. A commercial has to be pretty special (being a commercial, after all) or it has to be unknown to get us to stop. But it's not unheard of. If advertisers do a good job we do stop sometimes.
Disgaea Phantom Brave La Pucelle Tactics Guitar Hero Katamari Damacy We Love Katamari Final Fantasy X Final Fantasy X-2 God of War Shadow of the Colossus Resident Evil 4
and on and on and on....
There are many PS2 exclusives or games exclusive to PS2 and maybe the Cube.
Overall, though, your point is well taken. Most of the games that the mass populace loves (i.e. Sports, Racing, etc.) are available on both systems. So while it *is* kind of a wash there are games that break through this. Games that are worth playing.
Oh, yeah, he's always an idiot. One of the few examples of where Slashdot hypocricy doesn't happen. We can all agree a monkey with a blackboard and chalk could do a better job.
All of this is terribly ironic to me. I've worked with Java for about 6 years now. It's considered the Enterprise Open Source solution (because admin types typically confuse open source with "free and runs on lots of platforms) usually. So it's either Java or Microsoft in every shop I've ever worked for. No PHP. No Ruby. And often Java is paired up with Linux, MySQL, etc. So I find it funny (although I understand the point, but it's still funny) that people consider Java to be so difficult because it's closed source. In every shop where Microsoft is the choice, the decision is usually made because the stack is predictable. It's predictable because Microsoft controls every aspect of it from the database to the app server to the language you use to code on it. So open sourcing Java would probably have the unintended consequence of giving Java a perception problem in the eyes of manager types. It would become risky on the same level as Linux and MySQL and so instead of being the safe, "adult" part of that crazy open source stack, it would just become one more piece of it. Albeit a powerful one, but it would probably push more people into the arms of Microsoft. Sorry, but that's been my experience, given what I've witnessed in the industry lately.
I'm afraid this isn't just a Linux phenomena. I've seen this elsewhere. Java developers bashing C# developers. Ruby on Rails developers bashing Java developers. There's (unfortunately) a shlong-measuring contest in the technical community to prove how l33t you are based on what technology you use and it can indeed be frustrating and counter-productive. Example: I'm a J2EE developer who has noticed the market for Java developers isn't what it once was. My choice (assuming I want to stay in software) is pretty clear. Broaden my technical base and learn.Net and other technologies and be willing to do jobs in that area or stick to Java or Ruby or PHP (all more socially acceptable). Funny thing is when I ask my friends who work in the industry, many of them stuck at pretty miserable jobs they often say they'd rather do Java at a miserable job than have a job they enjoy and be forced to use Windows and.Net.
Maybe that makes me a sell-out if I took a job someday like the above, but I'd rather keep working, enjoying my career, etc. than to box myself into a corner because of idealogy.
I know Advance Wars: DS is the Holy Grail of strategy games, but I flat didn't care for it at all. I love Fire Emblem and Fire Emblem: Sacred Stones. I loved the first two Advance Wars and I really liked Tactics Ogre and FFTA (yes, even that game), but AW:DS doesn't do it for me. I really wish they're release a strategy RPG soon.
Good point. I take back what I said. The part that was questioning the original poster. It could be the whole "craning the neck to watch the train wreck" situation.
You enjoy reading Dvorak. The man's a moron with a capital "DipSh*t". 99% of his opinions have no basis in reality, never come true and are completely the product of him trying to sound smarter than everyone else. This (aside from the fact that I don't use Windows) is the main reason I never pick up whatever magazine prints him.
What's insane is that he gets paid big money to write this kind of drivel. This proves that the "invisible hand of the market" is not just invisible, but stupid.
Or SuSE customers should just leave. I left for CentOS, which is more stable in my book. Which should tell you something about what all of this has done to perception of SuSE by some of us.
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That's already happening. The games that are causing the most outcry right now are GTA and the various mods to GTA and Oblivion. What parent is STUPID enough to think these are good games for their kids, unless their kids are mature enough to handle what may be thrown at them?
I too don't mind a rating system. I actually like it. I like it for movies. If a movie is R and it's a horror movie (I hate horror movies) there's a chance it's way too over the top for me. Whereas if it's PG-13 it may work. So even for an adult choosing for themselves ratings can sometimes be beneficial. But in the end the parents have to actually be involved. We don't need more laws. We need parents to start doing their frickin' job. Across the board. Childhood obesity, kids falling behind in school? Don't blame me. I don't have kids. Time to take a look at the parents who ask for tax cuts, then whine when schools are ill-funded. Time to take a look at the parents who let their kids drink soda all day long then wonder why their fat AND hyper. Time to put them on Ritalin....
AAHHHHHHHGGGG. Top the madness. Parents, do you frickin' job.
Here here. When are parents going to be held accountable? I propose a law that makes it mandatory for you to pass a competency exam before you can have children. If you fail, they might someday grow up, get drunk and drive in to the side of my wife's car. I guarantee you that scenario is 1000 times more likely than someone shooting me because they played GTA. Either way, WHERE ARE THE PARENTS in this equation? Don't they have some responsibility?
What's amusing? The fact that a software developer who relies on a garbage collected virtual machine would use the term "closer to the metal"? If so I get your point and understand why you'd find it amusing. But it's just a term. It doesn't (with some of us at least) hold the same meaning it once did. It's a handy term to describe the way you develop, not necessarily that you're actually programming against the hardware.
Why are you a troll if they actually ARE being evil?
I think that's a tougher call, really. I learned every language I currently use (and HTML) doing bare to the metal programming in Pico or JEdit, etc. I think it served me well. I personally think there are two ways to look at it.
IDE Way - The students will probably be able to develop faster and thus you can progress more quickly through more ideas and thus you can perhaps get more accomplished. Plus they can gain experience with the ins and outs of classpaths, IDE installation, things like that that they'll need to learn eventually anyway for real world Java development.
Non IDE Way - They might get through 4/5ths of the above lesson plan, but on the flip side they'll be closer to the metal, as someone already said and they'll learn to develop good style habits from the start and to debug even when they have no tool to lean on, just the JDK.
I personally would go with #2, but it depends on what you want to set out to accomplish. If you want to get deep into the language, #1 might be the way to go. But if you want to make sure they can truly walk before running, definitely #2.
All I know is this thread makes me want to say "Get your hands of me your damn dirty ape!"
They're out there. Maybe "fan" is the wrong word, but you know the types. System admins who swear by Sun because that's all they've ever used. And then one day they wake up and have to install Dapper Duck on their beloved Sun boxes. :)
This isn't a troll, but a serious question. How would the whole security setup of Ubuntu (the way root is handled) affect not just enterprise security, but also the transition of Solaris admins to installing things from source the Ubuntu way?
Think about how Sun fans feel.
"Wait, I have to run the Hoary Hedgehog on my Sun box?" WTF?
I think part of the problem is that Apple brags a lot about being an Open Source player. Taking that moral highground, you know. Bono is saving Africa while selling content on iTunes and the OS is sort of open source and Gandhi appears in print ads, so honest we're not like Microsoft....
That seems to be their strategy for positioning themselves. I frankly don't care what they do, but it comes of as a tad hypocritical to hear that kind of noise when you no Apple is just another company.
Check that. I'll keep my TV, if only to finish God of War and the other games on my backlog. My cable will go, though.
:)
Tivo came along at just the right time for the networks in my case. I was *this* close to "killing my television" if for no other reason than I was bored with it. Tivo gave me some incentive to keep watching. If ads become forced again the TV will find a home at Goodwill.
Couldn't agree more. My wife and I fit the same pattern. We were literally one of the first 100,000 households with a Tivo. A long, long time ago. We also have a Series 2 now and NEVER watch the downloaded content save for maybe a movie trailer that we might already watch on Apple's website anyway. But we *do*, as you described, sometimes stop at commercials that interest us. And even when we're fastforwarding it's not like the commercial goes unnoticed. It's just like "Ford, Citibank, Local political ad, back to the show". So we know what ads are on even if they flip by in seconds. And if we happen to see one that catches our eye or we actually want to watch, we'll watch it. Now granted this doesn't mean if a 1hr. show were filled with the greatest commercials ever that we wouldn't fast forward. We still would. A commercial has to be pretty special (being a commercial, after all) or it has to be unknown to get us to stop. But it's not unheard of. If advertisers do a good job we do stop sometimes.
Huh? I didn't say that was a great game or that We Love Katamari was a huge dispatch. Just that those were all games XBox will never see.
I mentioned the Cube. My point was that it wasn't a game you could play on XBox.
Hmmm...
Disgaea
Phantom Brave
La Pucelle Tactics
Guitar Hero
Katamari Damacy
We Love Katamari
Final Fantasy X
Final Fantasy X-2
God of War
Shadow of the Colossus
Resident Evil 4
and on and on and on....
There are many PS2 exclusives or games exclusive to PS2 and maybe the Cube.
Overall, though, your point is well taken. Most of the games that the mass populace loves (i.e. Sports, Racing, etc.) are available on both systems. So while it *is* kind of a wash there are games that break through this. Games that are worth playing.
Blogger.com. Future problems solved.
Oh, yeah, he's always an idiot. One of the few examples of where Slashdot hypocricy doesn't happen. We can all agree a monkey with a blackboard and chalk could do a better job.
All of this is terribly ironic to me. I've worked with Java for about 6 years now. It's considered the Enterprise Open Source solution (because admin types typically confuse open source with "free and runs on lots of platforms) usually. So it's either Java or Microsoft in every shop I've ever worked for. No PHP. No Ruby. And often Java is paired up with Linux, MySQL, etc. So I find it funny (although I understand the point, but it's still funny) that people consider Java to be so difficult because it's closed source. In every shop where Microsoft is the choice, the decision is usually made because the stack is predictable. It's predictable because Microsoft controls every aspect of it from the database to the app server to the language you use to code on it. So open sourcing Java would probably have the unintended consequence of giving Java a perception problem in the eyes of manager types. It would become risky on the same level as Linux and MySQL and so instead of being the safe, "adult" part of that crazy open source stack, it would just become one more piece of it. Albeit a powerful one, but it would probably push more people into the arms of Microsoft. Sorry, but that's been my experience, given what I've witnessed in the industry lately.
I'm afraid this isn't just a Linux phenomena. I've seen this elsewhere. Java developers bashing C# developers. Ruby on Rails developers bashing Java developers. There's (unfortunately) a shlong-measuring contest in the technical community to prove how l33t you are based on what technology you use and it can indeed be frustrating and counter-productive. Example: I'm a J2EE developer who has noticed the market for Java developers isn't what it once was. My choice (assuming I want to stay in software) is pretty clear. Broaden my technical base and learn .Net and other technologies and be willing to do jobs in that area or stick to Java or Ruby or PHP (all more socially acceptable). Funny thing is when I ask my friends who work in the industry, many of them stuck at pretty miserable jobs they often say they'd rather do Java at a miserable job than have a job they enjoy and be forced to use Windows and .Net.
Maybe that makes me a sell-out if I took a job someday like the above, but I'd rather keep working, enjoying my career, etc. than to box myself into a corner because of idealogy.
I know Advance Wars: DS is the Holy Grail of strategy games, but I flat didn't care for it at all. I love Fire Emblem and Fire Emblem: Sacred Stones. I loved the first two Advance Wars and I really liked Tactics Ogre and FFTA (yes, even that game), but AW:DS doesn't do it for me. I really wish they're release a strategy RPG soon.
Good point. I take back what I said. The part that was questioning the original poster. It could be the whole "craning the neck to watch the train wreck" situation.
You enjoy reading Dvorak. The man's a moron with a capital "DipSh*t". 99% of his opinions have no basis in reality, never come true and are completely the product of him trying to sound smarter than everyone else. This (aside from the fact that I don't use Windows) is the main reason I never pick up whatever magazine prints him.
What's insane is that he gets paid big money to write this kind of drivel. This proves that the "invisible hand of the market" is not just invisible, but stupid.
Or SuSE customers should just leave. I left for CentOS, which is more stable in my book. Which should tell you something about what all of this has done to perception of SuSE by some of us.