What about those of us who *are* gay, have had no problems getting girlfriends (back before we came out), and have had sex (with another *live* human!) on multiple occasions?
Leave notes on your desktop like "System admins are gay and cant get girlfriends" or "System admins never had sex and never will". That should stop them snooping.
What Verizon is doing is all well and good, however, there are too many free and for pay newsgroup servers available for those Verizon is trying to censor.
Net effect -- nothing, or very nearly nothing.
I wish all porn was on.xxx domain then I can block it myself easily. Until we get our act together and force it to.xxx then I welcome NANNY ISPs.
If you dont want this kind of ISP then move porn to.xxx.
Simple really, you refused to move it to.xxx so now you have to have it blocked.
Every board in the list I linked to has 8 SATA ports. The list wouldn't have been much good otherwise.:)
As for the board, well, I couldn't tell you anything about it. You'll have to do some (insert search engine here) searching for your specific situation (I have no idea what OS you'll be using, or specifically what you'll be doing with the system).
If it turns out that particular board won't do what you need, there's a whole list of others. Surely ONE of them will work.;)
I don't know what list of boards you are looking at, however, the cheapest in the list I linked is $119 with nomail-in rebates/etc, and has 8 ports. It's a Socket 775, which means you could do a Celeron 430 (Conroe based core, 1.8ghz) for 39.99 and be well under your $200 figure. Add a Sapphire 1001 (Radeon x1550) PCIx16 video card for $19.99 and Corsair XMS2 1gb (2x512) memory, and you've got your base system.
I chose the video card I did to keep the PCI slots free (in case you wanted to add some of the SATA controllers you mentioned).
The four items listed below are $203.96 ($216.98 shipped to my door -- your shipping costs may alter the price ever-so-slightly).
Now, assuming this is just going to sit and serve files, you'll be fine. You could, obviously, substitute a different processor/memory/video card if you were also going to use this as your "main" machine (or if it had some other primary purpose), but this *does* fit your original posted criteria. I'll leave, to you, the task of finding a case/power supply of proper size/power to actually hold all of this.
There was only one AMD board and 35 Intel boards that have 8 SATA2 ports. I'll leave it to you to decide which board to choose. I happen to have an Intel "Bad Axe 2" (975XBX2) board and love it, though I don't have anywhere near 8 drives in it at the moment.
These are just what I found with newegg. You can do your own searching from there.:)
OR, they'd just buy a new keyboard/mouse with the money fools have paid them to "get their data back".
They probably have the key saved somewhere on their computer, so the police could just confiscate it and find the code. Alternatively, you could just take all their keyboards/mice. They would be willing to hand over the code within a week.
With GPL, a single product can monopolize the market. The community (or, more exactly, the largest organized group within community, e.g. a company like RedHat) will prevent smaller companies trying to "reinvent the wheel" with alternative (perhaps closed-source) products from joining the market. You don't seem to understand, well, anything about the issue. RedHat is a service company. Yes, they also happen to employ some people that happen to write code for GPL projects. Any code they create and distribute must be given back to the project.
On that, if a particular GPL product (we'll use GCC from your example below) were to be so widely used that it was the only product, well, that says something about GCC, now doesn't it? Is anything or anyone stopping a person or group of persons from creating a competitor? No. If they did so, and it was better (in whatever way you wish to define "better"), people will switch to it. If it didn't offer anything over the existing "standard" product (in our case, GCC), then no one will use it. It's not GPL's fault, and to argue that it is is just insane.
If the whole world turns GPL, it will be the same collective labour we had in USSR (I'm Russian) when no one cares about the things being done and everyone "owns" everything (in theory), but only ones having real power (aforementioned Red Hat) will shape the development. How easy is it to create a competition to, say, gcc? This argument falls apart specifically because, as I mentioned before, RedHat isn't in control of "GPL". It might be creating some code under GPL, but it doesn't control it. You seem to be quite confused, or, something else... GPL is a way to stagnation. Balmer?! Is that YOU? Now your post makes SO MUCH more sense!
This is a tomshardware guide where they built a fairly decent PC that ran somewhere around the 60 watt range. It's not 5 or 9 watts, but it's lower than 80.:)
I'm replying to this to undo the moderation I did to your (and the parent) comment. Have to use the old form because the new one is broken (keeps asking me if I'm sure, but gives me NO way to say YES!)
You must have a shitty contract, or a pissy attitude when you get the guy on the phone (if I worked tech support and got someone who was pissed off at the world, and taking it out on me, I'd make him wait too).
Where I work, we have a web page we can log into (Warranty Parts Direct), type in the ST, put in a description of what is wrong, any Dell Diag codes you might have, what you did to troubleshoot, select the part you want replaced, and submit. There's even a spot to select whether we want on-site support or not, though since they sub-contract that to a company in St. Joseph, MO, it's almost never next day. We only use this option for mainboard replacements in laptops. Everything else, we do ourselves, because it's quicker.
There is an online chat function so you can talk with one of the techs, plus there is an 800 number to call. I've never spent more than about 5 minutes on the phone with them (I rarely ever have to call in the first place).
5 minutes on the phone with Dell? Are you kidding? I've never been on the phone for less than 5 hours with Dell. They're insane.
I can tell them exactly what the issue is right away, and they'll still make me go through all the tests to prove that what I'm telling them is in fact the problem. We have 4 hour service from them, yet, that 4 hours doesn't count until after they acknowledge what the problem is, it's not 4 hours from when you say you have a problem.
Also, for servers that we have next day service on, they also like to make you wait on the phone just past their shipping deadline for the day, so that you don't actually get the parts until two days later.
There are CF bulbs that work properly with dimmers. They are usually slightly more expensive than a non-dimmer CF bulb, but they exist.
/agree
I started shutting my machine(s) down whenever I'm not using them for more than an hour or so, and the savings on the power bill are enormous.
I also think the ban on incandescent bulbs is ridiculous, because TCO on incandescent vs. CFL is obvious to just about anyone, meaning simple economics could solve what congress decided we needed a bill to do instead. Furthermore, there are very, very simple things that incandescent bulbs can do that CFL's *never* will. Working properly with a dimmer is one very simple example.
I never made a statement as to their character. Only to the fact that they are succeeding in the market while using FREE/OSS software, which the OP stated couldn't be done.
For that matter, how much outcry from the community did it take for Apple to provide the improvements they made to WebKit back to the same community? Apple isn't exactly much better in this case, however, they *are* another example of a company that is succeeding by having based a product off OSS software. At least Apple did "the right thing" in the end (even if their "heart" wasn't in the right place). It could be argued that Google *is* giving back by sponsoring the Google Summer of Code...
Just be careful invoking the Google there.
Remember, they're one of the worst kind of company - using and improving OSS but not actually contributing improvements back thanks to the ASP loophole.
Real tech support stability that the people making the "free" won't get bored and move on to something else stability from knowing that it's not a one-man project product liability knowing a problem can be fixed without requiring an armada of high paid consultants *cough*REDHAT*cough*NOVELL*cough*
I would never, ever, ever let my company get shackled into open source. Every company which has done so, has done it to their own detriment, because it revokes all their ability to choose. It also limits their ability to grow, but that's a side issue. I realize you're posting as an Anonymous Troll, however, you must be fucking stupid if you believe this. So, when did Google fold, exactly? Oh, that's right, they're raking in money HAND OVER FIST by using OSS software (probably exclusively...).
Hell, even Apple, who you state is "competing against free" based a good portion of their current OS ON AN OSS PRODUCT (be it under a BSD license, but it is still open source!)
All I can say to you is that my post, in this thread line, has been positively moderated as high as it can go. Only one other has a positive moderation. The rest are at (or below) where they started. Guess my "anecdote" hits a bit too close to home for more people than yours (or mobby_6kl's). All one needs to do is run a query in a search engine to see all the proof needed for drive failures. What I see shows WD on top.
Obviously there is no way I'm going to release any customer data (to you or anyone else), and since I don't work for that company any longer (as of 2 years ago, with the WD fiasco happening about 4 (or so) years before that), and since I very much doubt they're going to release the data to you, you'll just have to go on what I (and those who positively moderated me) are saying. If you decide to do otherwise, well, that's your problem. I just hope a WD drive doesn't bite you in the ass when you don't have anything backed up.
I'd also like to quote that, as of right now the *only* message below the post you replied to that has been positively moderated is mine. Obviously I'm not alone in my experiences...
Wow, a 90% failure rate within 6 month surely doesn't leave any drives functioning after more than a couple of years. Well my WD800JB is still just fine after more than five years of almost continuous usage, so obviously you're full of it, right?
> I realize there are people (like you) that seem to have had very good luck with WD's drives.
Yeah, and there are also people like you with their unsupported anecdotes, and then there are large scale studies, like that done by google, which say that while some models are more reliable than others (DeathStar, etc), overall the "results shown in the rest of the paper are not affected significantly by the population mix." PDF source
I agree with you -- they are crappy drives. I don't have to put fans over my Seagate drives, or the few Maxtor drives I've used. The system fans (usually a 90mm or larger in the front, and a 90mm or larger in the back) plus the power supply fans should be MORE than enough for a desktop machine. That WD seems to need them speaks a great deal to me.
"Probably comes from people who, like me, used a ton of WD200, WD400, WD800..."
Personally, I use some WD40 on my WD400 to reduce axial friction. Although seek latency, power consumption, and heat were all reduced, I had to replace the drive due to data loss.
I think some language comprehension classes could help you. 90% failure rate within 6 months does not equal the 100% in "a couple years" you are implying. Several of our customers (the 10% that had WD drives that *didn't* fail) kept their machines for quite some time and never had issues. Somehow, that doesn't doesn't help the 90% with failed drives, now does it?
Now who's "full of it?"
Wow, a 90% failure rate within 6 month surely doesn't leave any drives functioning after more than a couple of years. Well my WD800JB is still just fine after more than five years of almost continuous usage, so obviously you're full of it, right? "Anecdotes". Heh. Tell that to all those who lost data. I'd chalk up what happened to us to a bad batch from a vendor, except the HDD's came from several (TechData, Equus, Bass, Ingram, and at least a couple others).
As one other person who replied to my message had stated "you go to a forum and type in your story, only replace the brand with maxtor/seagate/etc and you'll find the same story over and over". That may be, however, I've seen it with Western Digital more than *any* other manufacturer.
Why are you taking this so personally, anyway? You work for WD or something? Nice that you had to insult me instead of finding some sort of proof (from more than one resource). I remember reading the story (it was on Slashdot, after all) for the "Google test". I also remember reading that there was quite a bit of data MISSING from it that would allow one to draw any usable information from the study.
I'll be here, in case you wish to try again, though.
Yeah, and there are also people like you with their unsupported anecdotes, and then there are large scale studies, like that done by google, which say that while some models are more reliable than others (DeathStar, etc), overall the "results shown in the rest of the paper are not affected significantly by the population mix." PDF source
You have one, super fast, awesome, and expensive drive. It dies. You lose all your data.
You have two less expensive, but still pretty fast, drives. One dies. You *still* lose your data.
In the end, I'd rather strip them, have more storage space, and get *very* close to the speed of the singe, fast, expensive drive (if not the same or better).
I never spoke of data integrity, other than to say it was the same between the two (one drive fails, everything goes).
Yes but the point is that with N drives striped without parity (i.e. RAID 0), you increase your probability of disastrous failure proportionally to N.
I always looked at it this way: If you have one really nice/fast drive and it fails, you *still* lose everything you had. I'd rather spend the same (or less) cash on two slightly smaller, slower drives and throw them into an array...
I have always believed that is why RAID0 has been so popular.
You get better performance, bigger drive, and it's only pitfall is that if one drive dies, then they are both pretty toast.
Probably comes from people who, like me, used a ton of WD200, WD400, WD800, and some others, that had over 90% failure rate in the first 6 months. The only reason the OEM I worked for even used the drives is that they were cheaper (by only a few bucks, but every buck counts in this business!) than the others.
Yes, they did replace them all, but when you count in all the time in rebuilding OS installs, shipping, phone calls to get RMA's, etc, it's just not worth it.
Once we switched to Seagate, we never had to deal with all of that again. Yes, we might have 1 drive go bad once in a blue moon, but no where near what we had with WD.
I had sworn off of WD drives in the mid/late '90's because of similar issues. No matter what, though, I couldn't talk my boss out of using them. He learned to listen to my opinions after that, though...
Now, before I start getting modded down to hell, here; yes, I realize there are people (like you) that seem to have had very good luck with WD's drives. Unfortunately (for WD), your experiences seem to be far and few between.
I guess I don't understand all the WD bashing. They do have warranties, you know, and I hear they even honor them.
Putting out (what some would say is) better software and letting the people decide doesn't work so long as MS is forcing IE/WMP/etc down people's throats. To get their own software noticed in such a situation, they pretty much have to do the same thing (or, so they are thinking, and they are probably right).
And they're doing it with Safari too. The other day, when I downloaded an update to iTunes (7.6.2??) it tried to sneak Safari in there. If I would have just kept on clicking next, it would have downloaded and installed Safari. Luckily I noticed, and unchecked the option for Safari. Apple is getting just as bad as MS.
Slashdot Mirror
I have a few ideas..
CompuServe
AOL
Prodigy
What? Maybe we should change the internet, so that users can't communicate which each other directly.
Content can be published by companies though. And instead of URLs, we will have a menu system provided with a desktop application.
We could call this application "Information Manager", and lookup information using keywords.
That'd rock! And it could be absolutely porn-free.
Net effect -- nothing, or very nearly nothing. I wish all porn was on
If you dont want this kind of ISP then move porn to
Simple really, you refused to move it to
Every board in the list I linked to has 8 SATA ports. The list wouldn't have been much good otherwise. :)
;)
As for the board, well, I couldn't tell you anything about it. You'll have to do some (insert search engine here) searching for your specific situation (I have no idea what OS you'll be using, or specifically what you'll be doing with the system).
If it turns out that particular board won't do what you need, there's a whole list of others. Surely ONE of them will work.
I don't know what list of boards you are looking at, however, the cheapest in the list I linked is $119 with nomail-in rebates/etc, and has 8 ports. It's a Socket 775, which means you could do a Celeron 430 (Conroe based core, 1.8ghz) for 39.99 and be well under your $200 figure. Add a Sapphire 1001 (Radeon x1550) PCIx16 video card for $19.99 and Corsair XMS2 1gb (2x512) memory, and you've got your base system.
I chose the video card I did to keep the PCI slots free (in case you wanted to add some of the SATA controllers you mentioned).
The four items listed below are $203.96 ($216.98 shipped to my door -- your shipping costs may alter the price ever-so-slightly).
Now, assuming this is just going to sit and serve files, you'll be fine. You could, obviously, substitute a different processor/memory/video card if you were also going to use this as your "main" machine (or if it had some other primary purpose), but this *does* fit your original posted criteria. I'll leave, to you, the task of finding a case/power supply of proper size/power to actually hold all of this.
Gigabyte board: N82E16813128086
Processor: N82E16819116039
Video card: N82E16814102737
Memory : N82E16820145040
You didn't specify processor, so:
:)
Intel
AMD
There was only one AMD board and 35 Intel boards that have 8 SATA2 ports. I'll leave it to you to decide which board to choose. I happen to have an Intel "Bad Axe 2" (975XBX2) board and love it, though I don't have anywhere near 8 drives in it at the moment.
These are just what I found with newegg. You can do your own searching from there.
I believe we *would* have gotten to the moon -- it just would have taken us longer to do so.
On that, if a particular GPL product (we'll use GCC from your example below) were to be so widely used that it was the only product, well, that says something about GCC, now doesn't it? Is anything or anyone stopping a person or group of persons from creating a competitor? No. If they did so, and it was better (in whatever way you wish to define "better"), people will switch to it. If it didn't offer anything over the existing "standard" product (in our case, GCC), then no one will use it. It's not GPL's fault, and to argue that it is is just insane. If the whole world turns GPL, it will be the same collective labour we had in USSR (I'm Russian) when no one cares about the things being done and everyone "owns" everything (in theory), but only ones having real power (aforementioned Red Hat) will shape the development. How easy is it to create a competition to, say, gcc? This argument falls apart specifically because, as I mentioned before, RedHat isn't in control of "GPL". It might be creating some code under GPL, but it doesn't control it. You seem to be quite confused, or, something else... GPL is a way to stagnation. Balmer?! Is that YOU? Now your post makes SO MUCH more sense!
Linky
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This is a tomshardware guide where they built a fairly decent PC that ran somewhere around the 60 watt range. It's not 5 or 9 watts, but it's lower than 80.
I'm replying to this to undo the moderation I did to your (and the parent) comment. Have to use the old form because the new one is broken (keeps asking me if I'm sure, but gives me NO way to say YES!)
>:(
Where I work, we have a web page we can log into (Warranty Parts Direct), type in the ST, put in a description of what is wrong, any Dell Diag codes you might have, what you did to troubleshoot, select the part you want replaced, and submit. There's even a spot to select whether we want on-site support or not, though since they sub-contract that to a company in St. Joseph, MO, it's almost never next day. We only use this option for mainboard replacements in laptops. Everything else, we do ourselves, because it's quicker.
There is an online chat function so you can talk with one of the techs, plus there is an 800 number to call. I've never spent more than about 5 minutes on the phone with them (I rarely ever have to call in the first place). 5 minutes on the phone with Dell? Are you kidding? I've never been on the phone for less than 5 hours with Dell. They're insane.
I can tell them exactly what the issue is right away, and they'll still make me go through all the tests to prove that what I'm telling them is in fact the problem. We have 4 hour service from them, yet, that 4 hours doesn't count until after they acknowledge what the problem is, it's not 4 hours from when you say you have a problem.
Also, for servers that we have next day service on, they also like to make you wait on the phone just past their shipping deadline for the day, so that you don't actually get the parts until two days later.
/agreeI started shutting my machine(s) down whenever I'm not using them for more than an hour or so, and the savings on the power bill are enormous.
I also think the ban on incandescent bulbs is ridiculous, because TCO on incandescent vs. CFL is obvious to just about anyone, meaning simple economics could solve what congress decided we needed a bill to do instead. Furthermore, there are very, very simple things that incandescent bulbs can do that CFL's *never* will. Working properly with a dimmer is one very simple example.
For that matter, how much outcry from the community did it take for Apple to provide the improvements they made to WebKit back to the same community? Apple isn't exactly much better in this case, however, they *are* another example of a company that is succeeding by having based a product off OSS software. At least Apple did "the right thing" in the end (even if their "heart" wasn't in the right place). It could be argued that Google *is* giving back by sponsoring the Google Summer of Code... Just be careful invoking the Google there.
Remember, they're one of the worst kind of company - using and improving OSS but not actually contributing improvements back thanks to the ASP loophole.
stability that the people making the "free" won't get bored and move on to something else
stability from knowing that it's not a one-man project
product liability
knowing a problem can be fixed without requiring an armada of high paid consultants *cough*REDHAT*cough*NOVELL*cough* I would never, ever, ever let my company get shackled into open source. Every company which has done so, has done it to their own detriment, because it revokes all their ability to choose. It also limits their ability to grow, but that's a side issue. I realize you're posting as an Anonymous Troll, however, you must be fucking stupid if you believe this. So, when did Google fold, exactly? Oh, that's right, they're raking in money HAND OVER FIST by using OSS software (probably exclusively...).
Hell, even Apple, who you state is "competing against free" based a good portion of their current OS ON AN OSS PRODUCT (be it under a BSD license, but it is still open source!)
Looking at google maps, he's probably in California.
Google Maps Linky
Further down the threads, he links to his Flikr photos of these roms.
Second Linky
All I can say to you is that my post, in this thread line, has been positively moderated as high as it can go. Only one other has a positive moderation. The rest are at (or below) where they started.
Guess my "anecdote" hits a bit too close to home for more people than yours (or mobby_6kl's). All one needs to do is run a query in a search engine to see all the proof needed for drive failures. What I see shows WD on top.
Obviously there is no way I'm going to release any customer data (to you or anyone else), and since I don't work for that company any longer (as of 2 years ago, with the WD fiasco happening about 4 (or so) years before that), and since I very much doubt they're going to release the data to you, you'll just have to go on what I (and those who positively moderated me) are saying. If you decide to do otherwise, well, that's your problem. I just hope a WD drive doesn't bite you in the ass when you don't have anything backed up.
> I realize there are people (like you) that seem to have had very good luck with WD's drives.
Yeah, and there are also people like you with their unsupported anecdotes, and then there are large scale studies, like that done by google, which say that while some models are more reliable than others (DeathStar, etc), overall the "results shown in the rest of the paper are not affected significantly by the population mix." PDF source
"Probably comes from people who, like me, used a ton of WD200, WD400, WD800..."
Personally, I use some WD40 on my WD400 to reduce axial friction. Although seek latency, power consumption, and heat were all reduced, I had to replace the drive due to data loss.
Crappy WD drives...
Now who's "full of it?" Wow, a 90% failure rate within 6 month surely doesn't leave any drives functioning after more than a couple of years. Well my WD800JB is still just fine after more than five years of almost continuous usage, so obviously you're full of it, right? "Anecdotes". Heh. Tell that to all those who lost data. I'd chalk up what happened to us to a bad batch from a vendor, except the HDD's came from several (TechData, Equus, Bass, Ingram, and at least a couple others).
As one other person who replied to my message had stated "you go to a forum and type in your story, only replace the brand with maxtor/seagate/etc and you'll find the same story over and over". That may be, however, I've seen it with Western Digital more than *any* other manufacturer.
Why are you taking this so personally, anyway? You work for WD or something? Nice that you had to insult me instead of finding some sort of proof (from more than one resource). I remember reading the story (it was on Slashdot, after all) for the "Google test". I also remember reading that there was quite a bit of data MISSING from it that would allow one to draw any usable information from the study.
I'll be here, in case you wish to try again, though. Yeah, and there are also people like you with their unsupported anecdotes, and then there are large scale studies, like that done by google, which say that while some models are more reliable than others (DeathStar, etc), overall the "results shown in the rest of the paper are not affected significantly by the population mix." PDF source
You have one, super fast, awesome, and expensive drive. It dies. You lose all your data.
You have two less expensive, but still pretty fast, drives. One dies. You *still* lose your data.
In the end, I'd rather strip them, have more storage space, and get *very* close to the speed of the singe, fast, expensive drive (if not the same or better).
I never spoke of data integrity, other than to say it was the same between the two (one drive fails, everything goes). Yes but the point is that with N drives striped without parity (i.e. RAID 0), you increase your probability of disastrous failure proportionally to N.
You get better performance, bigger drive, and it's only pitfall is that if one drive dies, then they are both pretty toast.
Yes, they did replace them all, but when you count in all the time in rebuilding OS installs, shipping, phone calls to get RMA's, etc, it's just not worth it.
Once we switched to Seagate, we never had to deal with all of that again. Yes, we might have 1 drive go bad once in a blue moon, but no where near what we had with WD.
I had sworn off of WD drives in the mid/late '90's because of similar issues. No matter what, though, I couldn't talk my boss out of using them. He learned to listen to my opinions after that, though...
Now, before I start getting modded down to hell, here; yes, I realize there are people (like you) that seem to have had very good luck with WD's drives. Unfortunately (for WD), your experiences seem to be far and few between. I guess I don't understand all the WD bashing. They do have warranties, you know, and I hear they even honor them.
If you can't BEAT 'em, JOIN 'em?
Putting out (what some would say is) better software and letting the people decide doesn't work so long as MS is forcing IE/WMP/etc down people's throats. To get their own software noticed in such a situation, they pretty much have to do the same thing (or, so they are thinking, and they are probably right). And they're doing it with Safari too. The other day, when I downloaded an update to iTunes (7.6.2??) it tried to sneak Safari in there. If I would have just kept on clicking next, it would have downloaded and installed Safari. Luckily I noticed, and unchecked the option for Safari. Apple is getting just as bad as MS.