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Using Distributed Computing To Thwart Ransomware

I Don't Believe in Imaginary Property writes "The folks at Kaspersky labs are turning to distributed computing to factor the RSA key used by the GPcode virus to encrypt people's files and hold them for ransom. There are two 1024-bit RSA keys to break, which should require a network of about 15 million modern computers to spend a year per key factoring them. Unfortunately, there appear to be no vulnerabilities in the virus' use of RSA, unlike some previous cases. Perhaps more interestingly, there's some debate over whether people should bother cracking it. After all, what if they were trying to trick us into factoring the key for a root signing authority? Besides, there's a more direct method of breaking the encryption: track down the people who wrote the virus and force them to talk."

361 comments

  1. Seems rather futile.. by FluffyWithTeeth · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Surely all the have to do is start using a new key every so often, and the task becomes pointless?

    1. Re:Seems rather futile.. by SQLGuru · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Surely all you have to do is make frequent back-ups of your critical data and the virus becomes pointless.

      Hacker - You must pay me $100 or your files will be forever encrypted by my nigh-unbreakable RSA code.
      User - Meh, I just wiped my system of your virus and restored my important files from back-up. Piss off.

      Layne

    2. Re:Seems rather futile.. by oldspewey · · Score: 5, Informative

      As has been pointed out in the past - the people who are most likely to become infected with a ransomware virus are exactly the same people who are least likely to have backups available.

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    3. Re:Seems rather futile.. by Silver+Sloth · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Good, sometimes there's only one way to learn about why we have backups. After all, they're just as much at risk from hard disk crashes.

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    4. Re:Seems rather futile.. by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 1

      Surely all you have to do is make frequent back-ups of your critical data and the virus becomes pointless. While keeping backups regularly is something we must do, I'd like to add that surely all you have to do is install an Operating System with decent security (such as GNU/Linux) and all the viruses become pointless.

      My dad is still using Windows. His application icons have some desktop below them - pardon, i meant to say that his desktop is filled with application icons, all installed by third party applications (which I don't know are virus-free, but most of them have a GPL equivalent in GNU/Linux), he's reinstalled Windows twice and is still constantly complaining of his computer slowing down. Finally, when trying to go to Google, an error message pops up on Firefox. I'm sure it's the Google bar, but he doesn't know how to uninstall it.

      It's been almost a year since I dumped Windows, and now I've began to wonder why people still decide to keep up with this sh**.
    5. Re:Seems rather futile.. by pla · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As has been pointed out in the past - the people who are most likely to become infected with a ransomware virus are exactly the same people who are least likely to have backups available.

      Back in my youth, I never made regular backups.
      Then I got a virus.
      Since then, I make regular backups.


      As annoying as it seems, sometimes people need to understand first-hand the need for regular, offline backups. Until they have the experience of data-loss, they just won't appreciate what could happen.

    6. Re:Seems rather futile.. by Deanalator · · Score: 1

      Of course, but the point is that users that lost data can tuck their harddrives away someplace safe, and hopefully someday recover their data.

    7. Re:Seems rather futile.. by pegr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'll assume someone paid the ransom at least once. So what key did they use to decrypt? Do us a favor and post it.

      As for it being a trick to crack a root signing key, would they not have to have the private key to encrypt with to start?

    8. Re:Seems rather futile.. by oldspewey · · Score: 1

      It took a hard drive failure to get me into the habit of running regular backups ... I was running two drives in RAID0 for performance, and I used to keep everything on that RAID.

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    9. Re:Seems rather futile.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FATAL ERROR: This is a small window with an OK button.

    10. Re:Seems rather futile.. by Sique · · Score: 4, Funny

      So this is another lesson in Computer Security 101: "No one likes Backups, but everyone likes Restore"?

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    11. Re:Seems rather futile.. by Dancindan84 · · Score: 1

      So true. I never wore a static strap until I fried a $200 stick of RAM using the, "It's never happened before. Why would I bother?" excuse. Now I use one religiously and tell everyone I know who does hobby computer work they should invest the $10 to do the same. Mostly I hear my old, "It's never happened. Why bother?" adage thrown back at me and I just chuckle, "Yet."

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      "Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much." - Oscar Wilde
    12. Re:Seems rather futile.. by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I use Windows because I'm not brain-dead and can keep my machine secure. For those of us who know what we're doing, it doesn't matter what OS we use. For those of us who don't know what we're doing, similarly, it doesn't matter what OS we use: you're only kidding yourself if you think that widespread Linux adoption would result in there not being many/any pwned machines. The user is, and always will be the biggest computer vulnerability.

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    13. Re:Seems rather futile.. by Anonymous+Conrad · · Score: 5, Informative

      I'll assume someone paid the ransom at least once. So what key did they use to decrypt? Do us a favor and post it.

      As for it being a trick to crack a root signing key, would they not have to have the private key to encrypt with to start? ... huh?

      It works like this:

      1. Virus generates a random encryption key and encrypts your data with it. Let's call this K.
      2. Virus encrypts the random key with a RSA public key and instructs you to email that, R(K), and your money, to the ransomers.
      3. The ransomers use their RSA private key to decrypt the encrypted random encryption key, R(K), into K.
      4. You use the random encryption key they sold back to you, K, to rescue your data.

      Someone else's decryption key, K', is not useful to you because your data was encrypted with a different random key K. You have an RSA-encrypted copy of your own random key, R(K), because that's what the ransomers need you to send them so they can sell you the decryption key K. We're trying to crack the RSA private key so we can generate K from R(K) without having to pay them money, i.e. sidestep step 3.
    14. Re:Seems rather futile.. by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Or a bigger key. If someone manages to factor the 1024 bit one I'm sure they'll use a 2048 bit one next time, and good luck with that.

    15. Re:Seems rather futile.. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      While I too get frustrated by incompetent users, I think that attitude is a bit harsh. Computers are supposed to have reached the point of being easy to use by laymen, and automatic backup should be part of that.

      Time Machine on MacOS seems to be just about there, all they need to do is bundle an external HDD or offer a free online component for personal docs.

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    16. Re:Seems rather futile.. by Altus · · Score: 1


      OK, I get what this is doing but what about this fear that the virus writers want us to factor the key? If they already have the private key (necessary to decrypt the random key if someone pays them off) then they dont need that key brute forced.

      I'm trying to figure out what the risk is in brute forcing this key. If the virus writers have never restored someones machine that might show that they don't have the private key, but if that were the case I would assume it would be mentioned in the story.

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      "In America, first you get the sugar, then you get the power, then you get the women..." -H. Simpson

    17. Re:Seems rather futile.. by Facetious · · Score: 1

      Surely all you have to do is use an OS for which writing viruses are pointless.

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    18. Re:Seems rather futile.. by sglewis100 · · Score: 1, Informative

      Free? Why free? Anyway, if you drop the free requirement, they already addressed both your needs. You can use any external hard drive, but for those who are just Joe Average users who walk into an Apple Store and say "I want to use that Time Machine thing" they can buy a Time Capsule, which combines a 802.11n router with a 500gb or 1tb hard drive that's setup to backup all Macs in the home. As far as online components go, there's always .Mac-soon-to-be-MobileMe which provides 10gb (now) and 20gb (soon) of space for documents, email, web, etc. They also Sync Services to backup contacts, calendars, etc and synchronize them to all Macs. You can use their free-for-subscribers Backup application to automate backups to their online file storage solution (iDisk). I wouldn't imagine you should expect any of this to be free from them anytime soon though. By the way, if I recall, the first time you pop in an external drive, I believe Time Machine pops up a window and automatically asks you if you'd like to start using it for the backups. Couldn't get any easier.

    19. Re:Seems rather futile.. by gclef · · Score: 1

      The assumption is that R might be, say, Verisign's key that they use to generate SSL certificates, and that this is all an elaborate bluff to get us to break Verisign's key for them.

      If that's the case, then the ransomers could never actually deliver on their promise to decrypt your files (barring some elaborate double-bluff, like always using the same encryption key, K).

      It should be easy to determine if the ransomer's public key, R, belongs to one of the well-known certificate authorities, as they're both public knowledge...so, we should be able to just compare them. However, there is still the possibility that this is a very elaborate targeted attack against a non-public encryption key.

    20. Re:Seems rather futile.. by UnderCoverPenguin · · Score: 1

      As for it being a trick to crack a root signing key, would they not have to have the private key to encrypt with to start?

      No. Depending on what you want to do, you can use either key to encrypt, then the other key is used to decrypt. If you want to send a message that only the intended receiver can decrypt, you encrypt using the receiver's public key. If you want to sign a message, you use the private key to encrypt. Then anyone can confirm the message came from you by using the your public key to decrypt.

      So, if you wanted to trick someone into cracking a specific private key, you could use the corresponding public key to encrypt data belonging to a large number of (preferably very important) people.

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    21. Re:Seems rather futile.. by shurikt · · Score: 1

      Huh. That might be the first time someone has explained it that it made sense. Thanks.

    22. Re:Seems rather futile.. by bananoid · · Score: 1

      errr...check your back-ups

    23. Re:Seems rather futile.. by Altus · · Score: 1


      Seems like a reasonable way to avoid any issue is to pay them off a couple of times. It would prove that they can, in fact, deliver on their promise and it would also let you know if they are pulling and shit with a single encryption key.

      I suppose they could be using a list of encryption keys and simply compare the encrypted key to a list of encrypted keys and then send the proper key back to the person who paid.

      It seems like a lot of effort to go to though. Wouldn't it be easier to grow yourself a bot net (or rent time on one from another criminal organization) and use that to brute force the encryption key rather than coming up with an elaborate ruse to get the world at large to do it for you.

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    24. Re:Seems rather futile.. by ArsonSmith · · Score: 1

      Hacker - Hah, you must pay me $10,000 if you'd like your backups decrypted.

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      Paying taxes to buy civilization is like paying a hooker to buy love.
    25. Re:Seems rather futile.. by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      I get the same thing...I live in a humid country where static isn't much of a problem, but I still ground myself before picking up parts, and I wear a wrist strap when handling CPUs. At my work, we do things that would mean instant death for any computer parts in a more dry atmosphere, and I keep saying we have to be more careful, but the response is "have you ever had a computer part fried by static in this country?" It hasn't happened, but the office is carpeted and I've become loaded up with static on many occasions.

      One of these days it's going to be something expensive...

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    26. Re:Seems rather futile.. by ArsonSmith · · Score: 1

      Back in my youth, I never made regular backups.
      Then I got a virus.
      Since then, I run Linux. (and occasionally backup)

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      Paying taxes to buy civilization is like paying a hooker to buy love.
    27. Re:Seems rather futile.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know to much about this topic. I'm gonna have to take you in.

    28. Re:Seems rather futile.. by ArsonSmith · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So what exactly does a static strap do that just placing your hand on the frame not do? 20 years working with electronics and I've never seen a confirmed static destroyed equipment outside of manufacturing. A few anecdotes like yours, yes, but I've even tested by trying to destroy circuit boards with static. It is something that is extremely important in manufacturing prior to everything being mounted and grounded, not so much afterward.

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    29. Re:Seems rather futile.. by Dancindan84 · · Score: 1

      It -keeps- you grounded. If the workspace is in a room with a rug or you're wearing fabric, you can generate static after you've touched the frame to (temporarily) ground yourself. Most of us don't have a static free work station at home and don't do repairs in the kitchen naked, so it's possible to generate enough static while working to fry something sensitive like RAM or a CPU.

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      "Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much." - Oscar Wilde
    30. Re:Seems rather futile.. by Cato · · Score: 1

      Static doesn't mean that a component will always fail straight away - sometimes it will take months or years.

    31. Re:Seems rather futile.. by ZWithaPGGB · · Score: 1

      Seems to me the right thing to do is snapshot memory and find K on the infected machine.

      As for tricking us into cracking a Root cert private key, they could be doing that, since the concept of "private" and "public" really don't exist in the algorithm. Data encrypted with one key can only be decrypted with the other. So, since the PUBLIC key of all the root servers is known (it's in the certificate), encrypting data using that key, and then trying to crack the key to decrypt it, would yield the private key if successful.
      However, if they are doing that, they aren't getting any $, because until they have that private key, they can't give people their data back.

      I agree with the OP. Follow the money, and find the criminals. If they're outside our jurisdiction, well, this looks to me like a good time for extraordinary rendition to make a point.

    32. Re:Seems rather futile.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. We all knew the day would come when someone implements this long known hypothetical attack. Now that it's here, people seem to panic and grasp at straws. The attacker can easily adjust the parameters and make the problem as hard as he wants. There is absolutely no point in trying to crack the key by brute force. Follow the money.

    33. Re:Seems rather futile.. by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1
      How were you modded insightful?

      As for it being a trick to crack a root signing key, would they not have to have the private key to encrypt with to start? No. Go read.

      Short translation: All they need is the public key, which is right there in the certificate. The whole point is that you encrypt with the public key, and only the private key can decrypt. So yes, it could easily be, well, any key to which they have the public key, and want to obtain the private key.
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    34. Re:Seems rather futile.. by SecondHand · · Score: 1

      You make backup on my computer. I make you a good deal. Very cheap. OK?

    35. Re:Seems rather futile.. by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Reminds me of a story. It's a classic inspirational story, of a storm that washes up a bunch of starfish -- or maybe they're seahorses, or jellyfish, depending on who's telling the story. So there's all these starfish dying on the beach... A kid is walking along the beach, picking them up, one by one, and tossing them back into the ocean. A man watches him do this, and after awhile, walks up and says "You know you're not going to make a difference, right?"

      The kid picks up another starfish, tosses it into the ocean... "I just did to that one."

      Yes, it'd very quickly become pointless in that next time, they'd use a 2048-bit or 4096-bit key, and they'd change it more often. But for the people who've lost data to this thing already, it's never futile if this can get it back.

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    36. Re:Seems rather futile.. by lordSaurontheGreat · · Score: 1

      It's not the least bit harsh. People who drive cars without educating themselves about safety deserve to be hurt. People who do stupid things get hurt. Period.

      People need to learn to have redundancy for their data:

      o Most important files need to be backed up to flash drives. Those flash drives are cheap. A 4 GiB drive goes for about $40 or less now. Carry them on your person everywhere. You will always have your data anywhere in the world. If your person isn't safe, well, you have worse problems than your data.
      o Buy a NAS drive array. Two 250GiB drives in RAID 1 will work wonders for keeping your data safe. It's not expensive to keep your data safe. A $600 investment will last you a long time.
      o Purchase an online backup service. People like iDrive and Carbonite will keep live backups of all your stuff in the event that all hell breaks loose. They aren't accessible as network drives, either, so the likelihood that a virus will identify and screw with it is very low.

      You buy insurance for your car, your house, your life, your medical... why the hell are these people deluding themselves into thinking that they can get away without protecting their important data as well? It doesn't make sense...

      Perhaps we need to have a national program of digital education to bring these people up to speed? Digital data is money, and if someone came up and froze your assets illegally there would be hell to pay for someone. How is our data any different?

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    37. Re:Seems rather futile.. by sexconker · · Score: 1

      As I currently do.
      Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

      Nothing on my personal computer is "important" enough for me to back it up.

      99% of people use their pc for webmail, instant messaging, youtube, pirated movies/music, and porn.

      Backups are for the people who run the facebook servers.

      Anything that resides on my computer that IS important just gets sent to myself as e-mail or something.

      (I fully expect to go home and fine my computers stolen/on fire/having a threesome with the microwave and a bucket of magnets.)

    38. Re:Seems rather futile.. by sexconker · · Score: 1

      You could always send the ram back as defective.

      Truly, the "Shocking Truth" (informational video by Apple way back in the day) is more about the physics of what can go wrong in ancient designs than what DOES go wrong in practice.

      Static straps do nothing unless you're grounded.
      Grounding does nothing if you've got insulators nearby, so make sure you're styrofoam cups are far away. And I hope they didn't package that ram in plastic or send your package to you with bubble wrap or packing peanuts. And don't forgot to tie your hair back if you've got long hair. Oh, and your shirt? Take it off. Moving your arms generates a charge in the fabric strong enough to fry the mightiest of circuits. I hope you're working on a hard floor with anti static mats, too. Don't forget to take off your watch and turn your pace maker off before you install that ram.
      Make sure your cellphone is off, too. And you might want to buy some anti static gloves ( http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=203348526&listingid=1522673&dcaid=17902 ). And be sure to use a non-magnetized screwdriver.

    39. Re:Seems rather futile.. by ArsonSmith · · Score: 2, Insightful

      so how does the ram or cpu get grounded. Just because I am now currently at the same static charge as the grounded unit, the ram or cpu may still be at a different charge.

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    40. Re:Seems rather futile.. by thogard · · Score: 1

      RSA keys are not 1:1, they are 1:many, many:1 or maybe even many:many.

      There is a demo program that does small (16 bit) keys here

    41. Re:Seems rather futile.. by xappax · · Score: 1

      You have an RSA-encrypted copy of your own random key, R(K), because that's what the ransomers need you to send them so they can sell you the decryption key K.

      Which raises the question: why wouldn't the ransomers just send "K" to themselves, index it to some random serial number on the machine, and then remove it entirely from the victim's machine, instead of leaving an encrypted copy? I guess their method allows the attack to work even if connectivity can't be established to send out K.

      And, barring this longshot attack by Kaspersky, i guess there's not much danger of K being decrypted.

    42. Re:Seems rather futile.. by JuniorJack · · Score: 1

      Useless antivirus companies. So the virus uses something like srand ( time(NULL) ); to init and generate the random key. Just check the encrypted file creation date and try to bruteforce the RC4 key instead.

    43. Re:Seems rather futile.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course, one could use Windows and still maintain a secure environment, but it's made a lot easier in Linux/BSD, thanks to the pervasive logging. Windows? Event Viewer and that interactive flow chart, 'Troubleshooting Wizard'. It's no wonder so many hand over their wallets to Geek Squad instead of Googling for a bit.
      Personally, I switched because Linux just feels like a more elegant tool than Windows, not because of notions of increased security or the sway of RMS' beard. No matter how much I have to fight for drivers some times, I almost never have to fight with the OS.

      "It's been 38 minutes since you last successfully posted a comment" Apparently, that 'submit' button overheats. Good job, /..

    44. Re:Seems rather futile.. by khellendros1984 · · Score: 1

      How do you mean? One key is generated based on the other one, in a deterministic algorithm. You end up with the same key-pair each time, given the same input.
      Or are you defining the use of keys to encrypt messages to encrypt message packets? (Many keys to many messages, etc)?

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    45. Re:Seems rather futile.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "and don't do repairs in the kitchen naked" I do...

    46. Re:Seems rather futile.. by ProfessionalCookie · · Score: 1

      Count it as education. Or targeted marketing. Please backup. Don't be a bot.

    47. Re:Seems rather futile.. by thogard · · Score: 1

      For any given private key, there are several public keys.

    48. Re:Seems rather futile.. by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 1

      As has been pointed out in the past - the people who are most likely to become infected with a ransomware virus are exactly the same people who are least likely to have backups available.

      It's also why I have a job (or had, since I'm retired.) Stupid People + Technology = Expert services at a nice hourly rate.

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    49. Re:Seems rather futile.. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      It's not the least bit harsh. People who drive cars without educating themselves about safety deserve to be hurt. People who do stupid things get hurt. Period.


      Human beings are fallible, so it is unreasonable to expect them to behave perfectly and never make a mistake. Of course, when doing something dangerous like driving a person is expected to make an effort to master the skill, but even the best drivers can still make mistakes.

      That's one of the best things about computers: they never forget to do things, and virtually never make mistakes (ignoring bugs which are human mistakes, and the Pentium FDIV bug). A computer is ideal for doing backups, because it will always remember to do them, and always check they were done right, eliminating the possibility of human error. At least, that's the theory.
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    50. Re:Seems rather futile.. by texaport · · Score: 1

      You must pay me $100 or your files will be forever encrypted by my nigh-unbreakable RSA code. Meh, I just wiped my system of your virus and restored my important files from back-up.

      Maybe it is a conspiracy from Seagate and Maxtor to sell those $99 external 500GB hard drives.
    51. Re:Seems rather futile.. by jibjibjib · · Score: 1

      Perhaps the system generates 'really random' keys based on random physical events, such as the precise timing of keyboard/mouse/disk/network interrupts.

    52. Re:Seems rather futile.. by xenobyte · · Score: 1

      Well, I'll chalk that up to the 'if only stupidity was painful' clause... If you don't patch and don't backup... you'll now end up hurting badly... and I for one don't mind that at all... ;)

      On a serious note, the easiest way to get the key is from the people that wrote this thing and profits from it... Just follow the damned money!! - With a bit of cooperation from the people at PayPal and whatever bank the money goes to from there, these bozos will be caught in minutes...

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    53. Re:Seems rather futile.. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Online storage for personal docs is now free. Loads of providers like Mozy and gmail provide gigabytes of free storage and free software to go with it. I personally think this is good - it should just be a standard part of the computer product.

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    54. Re:Seems rather futile.. by ZWithaPGGB · · Score: 1

      For any given public key, as I understand it, there is only ONE private key. Regardless, if you get all the keys using the reverse keying example, you have a much smaller problem set to work on.

    55. Re:Seems rather futile.. by thogard · · Score: 1

      I don't care if its 1:1 in theory, check out the code and you'll see that reality says its 1:many. What I haven't found is if its many:many but I reason to expect it is.

    56. Re:Seems rather futile.. by CommanderIsm · · Score: 1

      surely you are stupid to save anything important on a computer, period.

  2. I've got a better idea by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Encourage people to make backups of their data on disc, tape, or portable harddrives. I know that's a radical idea, but it just might be crazy enough to work.

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    1. Re:I've got a better idea by alx5000 · · Score: 1

      Or the good ol' common sense that tells ya not to open those .exe and .scr that your MSN buddies try to send you as "my funny holiday pics" (in another language, of course)...

      But since we can't really trust the average Joe to take preventive measures such as safe browsing, or using antivirus and firewalls, I'm not too convinced that your idea is gonna be as popular as one may expect...

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    2. Re:I've got a better idea by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Funny

      I think, personally, that human stupidity is a gold mine, and I'm slowly losing any inhibition and cashing in on it.

      Way ahead of you. I went into IT security years ago. It is a gold mine. You can basically sell snakeoil and people will kill each other to buy it from you.

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    3. Re:I've got a better idea by houghi · · Score: 1

      My though exactly. The partition I use for backups is read-only. Just during backup is is writable by just one user. The fact that this user is called root and I run Linux might make it even harder to crack.

      But still, read-only partitions for your backups.

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    4. Re:I've got a better idea by DaedalusHKX · · Score: 2, Funny

      As a result, I am shortly going to be announcing my new "Remain Safely Stupid, (tm)" product line. We harness the power of human stupidity for profit.

      It will be absolutely nothing more than a box filled with paperwork. After filling out said paperwork, the client is guaranteed paper "rights" to be "free" and "protected" with said freedoms and protections guaranteed by the pieces of paper, and through no action or knowledge of his own. The client thus receives all the benefits without any of the actual risks of actually BEING free, or the hardships of actually BEING safe. Some have derided my product lines as "security theater" or "vaporware" but they are merely upset because I beat them to market with such a brilliant idea.

      Patents pending.

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      " What luck for rulers that men do not think" - Adolf Hitler
    5. Re:I've got a better idea by robo_mojo · · Score: 1

      Now all we need to do is figure out how to turn stupidity into energy. No more coal, oil, or nuclear fission. The future will run on Stupid Energy(tm), the cleanest, cheapest, most reliable energy source known to man. It is completely renewable, too!

    6. Re:I've got a better idea by mweather · · Score: 4, Funny

      You backup to the same computer? I don't even backup to the same state!

    7. Re:I've got a better idea by DaedalusHKX · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I find that if they want to be afraid, why not setup a vaporware business to cater to their whims?

      Oh crap, the TSA beat me to it!! Dammit!

      P.T. Barnum was right on his analyses of the sucker... "one born every minute and two to take care of him," and "nobody ever went broke betting on human stupidity."

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    8. Re:I've got a better idea by zappepcs · · Score: 1
      there is something to be said for that:

      But since we can't really trust the average Joe to take preventive measures such as safe browsing, or using antivirus and firewalls, I'm not too convinced that your idea is gonna be as popular as one may expect... I find this to be the case. Questions like
      "Why can't I install software on this machine?"
      "Why do I need a different login to surf the web?"
      "Why is the computer so slow at 3:30 a.m.?"

      Even after explaining rights/permissions and how to keep from giving the wrong ones to malicious websites, I still get those questions. After explaining that protection/scanning software is running while you are supposed to be asleep and that is why it's slow at 3:30 a.m. I still get the complaint.

      19 year olds 'know' everything so never have to read about how to protect themselves. As they grow up they only decide they need to read more when their personal computer grinds to a halt and they have to pay someone to fix it. When they are forced to learn a couple things, the big picture and overall practices of security do not sink in because it is inconvenient. Malware will always exist because of this.

      sad but true
    9. Re:I've got a better idea by jimicus · · Score: 1

      I don't even backup to the same country!

    10. Re:I've got a better idea by nurb432 · · Score: 1

      unless the virus doesn't show itsself for months, then you have managed to backup a virus infested file.

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    11. Re:I've got a better idea by alx5000 · · Score: 1

      Kinda like STDs, I guess. They're not a problem unless you know they're there or you get one...

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    12. Re:I've got a better idea by Daimanta · · Score: 3, Funny

      I don't even backup to the same planet!

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    13. Re:I've got a better idea by Drakonik · · Score: 1

      You all suck. I backup to Pluto.

    14. Re:I've got a better idea by TheRealFixer · · Score: 5, Funny

      Psh... backups? I restore my data from a parallel universe, where I didn't get hit by a virus in the first place.

    15. Re:I've got a better idea by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If we had a backup, wouldn't it be possible to break the encryption using the backed-up data as a crib? Why force the key directly when you know what is in a large chunk of the cyphertext?

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    16. Re:I've got a better idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      I don't see the allure of backup. This one time I tried backing up my computer, I backed it up all the way, and then it kept shutting off. So I brought it back forward and it runs far cooler now that the fan isn't sealed off by the wall.

    17. Re:I've got a better idea by Enoxice · · Score: 1

      I don't even back up to the same Dimension!

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    18. Re:I've got a better idea by Neeperando · · Score: 1

      I just assume that there is a paralell universe out there somewhere where I have all the same data but my hard drive didn't crash.

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    19. Re:I've got a better idea by DaedalusHKX · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think the bankers, the priests and the politicians have already figured out how to turn stupidity into free energy. Witness, for example, the boundlessly stupid as they sign up to fight politicians wars, religionists jihads, to man priests' inquisitions or run on the endless, profitless treadmill of the serf/employee rat race, and witness this set of examples through history. From tithes, to taxes, to "donations" to traffic tickets and drug enforcement, the boundlessly stupid have always eagerly jumped onto the bandwagon of the strong willed and obeyed without a single qualm, always finding quite creative and intelligent ways to justify what it was they were doing... usually via such imaginative excuses such as "just doing my job" or "its the law" or "the priests told me God said it, therefore it must be true" or perhaps "if the nice man on Tee Vee said it, how dare you question it?"

      Man's stupidity is already being harnessed... we're just too caught up in the minutia to notice it.

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    20. Re:I've got a better idea by evanbd · · Score: 3, Informative

      Known plaintext attacks are a mainstay of cryptanalysis. They tend to be more powerful than other attacks, but they still don't help much. Factoring is the best known technique for RSA, even given known plaintext or chosen plaintext.

    21. Re:I've got a better idea by russotto · · Score: 1

      A good encryption algorithm is not breakable even if you know both plaintext and ciphertext. (which is why one-time-pad GOOD, TWO-time-pad BAD)

    22. Re:I've got a better idea by zappepcs · · Score: 1

      For quite a while now, I've had a somewhat perverse desire to know why no OSS antivirus group named their product after condoms?

      You could call the daemon a 24 hour condom, and the jokes keep going....

    23. Re:I've got a better idea by mabhatter654 · · Score: 1

      Apple thought of this! but then OSX doesn't get viruses, so Time Machine is a useless feature.

      That said TM does a great job of backup, files, settings, network, the whole thing... already used it after I had to take mine in for repair.

    24. Re:I've got a better idea by Constantine+XVI · · Score: 1

      Which is why you never give any data execute privleges to begin with, especially on your backup.

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    25. Re:I've got a better idea by AndrewNeo · · Score: 1

      My question is, why are people even backing up executables? Just redownload or reinstall them. The only time I ever back up executable files are the stuff I've downloaded that may be hard to find again. Half the time it's better to redownload because I may have forgotten to check for a newer version since the last time I got it.

    26. Re:I've got a better idea by cowscows · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So what you're saying is that anyone who lives in any fashion beyond subsistence farming is stupid?

      Banking, religion, and politics all have their problems, no doubt. But they're all important and persistent factors in the progress that humanity has made. They've all been involved in bad things, but they've all be involved in lots of good things as well.

      A human being is, on their own, capable of many things, both good and bad. Structures, systems, corporations, religions, corporations...they've all allowed us as a civilization to accomplish tasks that no one man could accomplish on his own. Some good and some bad, but all it does is amplify our abilities.

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    27. Re:I've got a better idea by Penguinisto · · Score: 1
      Well, if you had a backup, what would be the point? I mean, yeah, I grok the research aspects of it and all, but if someone comes calling for help, they generally just want their computer restored, not for me to tinker with the encrypted contents of it. Sorta obviates the whole thing. Further, if all that gets lost is a day or two of work at the most, it would take less time and effort to simply re-create the lost data than to have a go at cracking the encrypted files that didn't make it to backup.



      'course, I understand that it would be useful, but in most cases it would be academic at most.

      /P

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    28. Re:I've got a better idea by Z34107 · · Score: 1

      A rhetorical question for you.

      Do the stupid realize that they're stupid? That is, are they self-aware of their condition of intellectual deficiency? I think that they are; if they did realize their cognitive faculties were lacking, they would do something to rectify such a sorry situation. Besides - being aware of your own stupidity is "wisdom" and not really stupidity, is it not?

      So, if the stupid are not aware that they are stupid, they could even believe that they are smart. Intelligent, perhaps; the breed of faux understanding that breeds arrogance.

      Perhaps some quantity of these individuals find their way onto Slashdot and run long-winded thought experiments with a tired vocabulary.

      Or, perhaps, they lump every ire-inspiring, plutocratic "have" that ever existed throughout history into one group, and blame their fellow ignoramus for some perceived evil? By the way, if you are in a "profitless treadmill of the serf/employee rat race," put down the Communist Manifesto and find another job.

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    29. Re:I've got a better idea by phoenixwade · · Score: 1

      I just assume that there is a paralell universe out there somewhere where I have all the same data but my hard drive didn't crash. This would be a RAID-13 solution...... But finding the right string to plug into your optical port is a little difficult....

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    30. Re:I've got a better idea by CopaceticOpus · · Score: 1

      That's actually doable with those "Send your name to another planet" promotions, like what was done for the Phoenix lander. For example:

      1. Pick a first name that is very unlikely to exist.
      2. Choose a simple algorithm that encodes a file (say, an image) into letters a-z.
      3. Encode the image and break it into chunks of length (Max Last Name length - 2)
      4. Submit a sequence of names as follows:

      Rafquasdel AAfviblisudflisundfuisnuiensle
      Rafquasdel ABpojrfowhfoyigchomsdoijhfuihf
      Rafquasdel AC...

      5. ???
      6. Profit

      If you're lucky, some future geniuses will decode it a million years from now. If you're really evil, they'll find themselves looking at goats.cx.

    31. Re:I've got a better idea by roc97007 · · Score: 5, Funny

      > Psh... backups? I restore my data from a parallel universe, where I didn't get hit by a virus in the first place.

      K dkd that, but kt turns out they use a slkghtly dkfferent alphabet kn that unkverse.

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    32. Re:I've got a better idea by Rams�s+Morales · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Dude, that's just silly.

    33. Re:I've got a better idea by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Psh... backups? I restore my data from a parallel universe, where I didn't get hit by a virus in the first place. Consider parallel universes seem to be exactly the same except in the most illogical and subtle details, I wouldn't trust it. Yeah you didn't catch the virus but you probably found the universe where you're into beasty porn or something.
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    34. Re:I've got a better idea by Toonol · · Score: 1

      Quiet, you'll give the quantum computing zealots something else to brag about.

    35. Re:I've got a better idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lovely. One of the "I'm above the system, so I can see it for what it is, man" types.

      Spark up another one!

    36. Re:I've got a better idea by DamnStupidElf · · Score: 4, Informative

      Even further, you *don't* have the known plaintext to break RSA because it's a random symmetric key encrypted with RSA that is used to encrypt the files by the virus. Every modern cipher since DES has been highly resistant to known plaintext attacks. That's a basic requirement for a cipher to be considered non-broken.

    37. Re:I've got a better idea by Toonol · · Score: 1

      It's not really rhetorical; at least, I once read a study that attempted to address that question. They surveyed people to self-evaluate themselves in a number of fields, and then tested their performance in the same fields. The result was:

      Very Competent People judged themselves as Very Competent.

      Competent People judged themselves as a little less competent than they really were.

      Incompetent People judged themselves as Competent.

      You see this reflected in any thread in Slashdot that has to do with driving. Interesting phenomenon.

    38. Re:I've got a better idea by Torvaun · · Score: 1

      They'd rather stop Trojans.

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    39. Re:I've got a better idea by Z34107 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I recall a similar study where they asked students across the 50 states to rate their "self-esteem" in regards to mathematics - how confident they were in handling numbers, and how good they thought they were.

      Students' self-esteem correlates negatively with test scores. I guess humility is learned through... learning.

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    40. Re:I've got a better idea by gclef · · Score: 3, Funny

      You can basically sell snakeoil and people will kill each other to buy it from you. You've chosen a very appropriate screen name.
    41. Re:I've got a better idea by maxume · · Score: 1

      Isn't the whole point of antivirus software to not get screwed?

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    42. Re:I've got a better idea by DaedalusHKX · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You've proven my point far beyond my wildest dreams (actually my wildest dreams don't really have much to do with this particular point :)

      Joking aside, however, just because progress has benefitted certain people, does not make their willing and unwilling pawns any more intelligent, or wise, or smart, or anything but what they are. Just because progress can be achieved with 99% enslaved labor, does not mean it cannot be done equally as well (if not better) by those who participate by mutual agreement.

      To put it in a more easily understood concept... even if orgasm (progress) can be achieved through RAPE, or consensual sex, or masturbation, that does not make RAPE a necessary thing to achieve orgasm, nor does it say that the guy who masturbates isn't achieving orgasms. Does that make any one of those three conditions the only right way to reach orgasm? Same thing with your vaunted progress.

      There is more than one way to get to a desired goal, and just because a vast mass of the populace is incapable of seeing the forest for the trees, and just because a few profit from the stupidity of the many does NOT in any way make the few evil, or the many any less stupid.

      I was stating an observation, not saying that the masses should awaken. Personally I am not wanting to save anyone. Those who will save themselves will do it without my help. The masses, in fact, deserve EXACTLY the kind of progress they are in the process of "receiving". I'm just enjoying the show. Don't mistake me for someone who still cares.

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    43. Re:I've got a better idea by Splab · · Score: 1

      Meh!
      I just keep a 0 and 1 + the current size of my data, this way my backup is less than 40 bits, if I ever need to restore the backup I just create all combinations and pick the right one.

      Fool proof plan I tell ya!

    44. Re:I've got a better idea by sempernoctis · · Score: 1

      I have my parallel universes on RAID5

    45. Re:I've got a better idea by bucky0 · · Score: 1

      I find it convenient to have a whole-disk image that I can drop onto a fresh drive and continue where I left off if I need to.

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    46. Re:I've got a better idea by PitaBred · · Score: 1

      You're making an implicit assumption that people are reasonable. Mutual agreement and communism work great in small societies. Once you get past the size of the intrinsic human monkeysphere, altruism and accountability go out the window. Which throws a huge realistic wrench into your idealism. The thing is, society is set up so that altruism and accountability as spread as evenly and widely as we know how, which forces (imprisons, as you'd call it) everyone to keep working together, to some degree. The thing is, that's what creates the greatest common good for everyone involved. There are a few big winners who can exploit the system, but there are many fewer losers, and society as a whole has a much higher standard of living because of the system.

      I can appreciate your sentiment, just like I can appreciate the sentiment of people saying they want me to go to heaven. I just think you've got a few assumptions and implications that haven't been given a thorough vetting.

    47. Re:I've got a better idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can you say "head crash'?

    48. Re:I've got a better idea by kayditty · · Score: 0

      No, but it would allow for us to determine whether or not they're using VeriSign's key to encrypt things. Could just have VeriSign decrypt a file and see if it matches the original. Of course, that doesn't help much, since VeriSign is only one entity, and the key could belong to any number of important entities.

    49. Re:I've got a better idea by Thelasko · · Score: 1

      I think, your both off topic.

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    50. Re:I've got a better idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I backup my data IN SPACE - I transmit to a satellite 5 light years away, I'll be a able to restore in 10 years when the transmission gets reflected back to earth.

    51. Re:I've got a better idea by cowscows · · Score: 1

      You seem to be implying that there's only two positions that person can take. Either they be completely involved in the minutiae of everything that goes on around them, or they're an ignorant sheeple allowing the man to trample all over them. In reality, it's not quite that easy.

      You say that mutual agreement is the way to go. I'd argue that organizations like the government are the manifestations of that mutual agreement. Sure, not everyone agrees, but you're never going to get a group of 100 people, much less millions or billions of people, to fully agree on anything.

      I guess I just don't get what you're suggesting the alternative is. You say you don't care if people awaken. Awaken to what? To the fact that there are people richer than them? Everyone knows that already. The fact that going to work sucks? Everyone knows that too. You're talking like there's some utopia alternative just sitting there waiting for us. The reality that I see is that civilization takes a lot of work, and that's just how life works. There are certainly people out there who find ways to game the system and live better at the expense of others, but again, that's life. If we all used those same tricks, then they'd cease to work and we'd all be back at square one.

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    52. Re:I've got a better idea by DaedalusHKX · · Score: 1

      You know what amuses me here? The fact that you're splitting the wrong hairs, and that the minutia is what the masses are directly involved in, and not a single damn one who has looked up has remained the same. How many actually bother to look up and start thinking, is another story. Not unexpected, but one has to ask any particular individual about their views on an issue, that individual would feel fairly informed about one or two, and not care about most. Then when asked why they take a stand on that certain issue, what would they say? Because it is important to them and they've bothered to (by accident or intentionally) research the topic. The reality is wholly different as they will, if prodded hard enough, notify the interviewer that their knowledge on the subject is gleaned from the newspaper or their local church "leader" or their "political representative" or their Tee Vee. Wait!! Did I hear that right? They got their input on something they find to be VERY important to them, ONLY from a few misguided quacks? They never actually researched the subject?? How come??

      What seems to me to be unusual (from my own point of view) is the lack of understanding of the world around them, yet the absolute certainty with which the various willing members of the "masses" claim to know how everything works. For the most part they've rarely dared to actually step outside ANY boundaries whatsoever, physical or mental, yet they know for sure what does and does not work. However, this "knowing" exhibited by the masses is not "knowing" any more than a guy who reads a book can "know" how to climb a mountain or hunt down a deer. Knowing is based on one's own experience and understanding, the term "believing" is what the vast masses do when told to believe a certain way or think a certain way. They are told to do something, and they unquestioningly, fearfully and dutifully, obey. Nothing wrong with that, except the fact that they are UPSET by this fact and by its very predictable outcomes.

      I call insanity on this. Only the insane does something repeatedly, with repeatedly predictable results, and then gets upset that the results are always the same unwanted ones. The masses are upset, they're mad, they're hell bent on being treated fairly or honestly, but never bother to learn WHY it is that they get the unwanted results each time they appoint someone else to think for them... oh wait, that must be it, they keep asking others to do their thinking for them. Crap, I think I upset them again bringing up that sore issue to the surface again. Tough.

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    53. Re:I've got a better idea by neomunk · · Score: 1

      What kind of cut can I get for a worm that encrypts your data unless there's an email in your inbox saying something to the effect of "Your new DaedalusHKXtreme! Professional Ultimate Bling Edition has been shipped..."?

      Now that I think of it, there's all kinds of neat 'cross-promotional' potential here...

    54. Re:I've got a better idea by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Hey, during the dot.com time, I was developing webshops.

      For a long time I tried teaching morons and giving them what they need. I was ridiculed and shunned. Now I give them what they want, and both sides are much happer.

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    55. Re:I've got a better idea by DaedalusHKX · · Score: 1

      I smell profit potential growing.

      Have you done a 1.2.3.4 Profit! flowchart? It helps visualize things.

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    56. Re:I've got a better idea by jibjibjib · · Score: 1

      I read everyone else's data from a parallel universe in which I founded Google.

    57. Re:I've got a better idea by DRobson · · Score: 1

      `Only wimps use tape backup: _real_ men just upload their important stuff on ftp, and let the rest of the world mirror it ;)'

    58. Re:I've got a better idea by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      It is a gold mine. You can basically sell snakeoil and people will kill each other to buy it from you. Are you sure that's a gold mine? It seems you're losing your customers pretty fast this way. Dead customers won't bring you much money.
    59. Re:I've got a better idea by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Just put them in horse costumes and start beating them.

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    60. Re:I've got a better idea by svick · · Score: 1

      K dkd that, but kt turns out they use a slkghtly dkfferent alphabet kn that unkverse.

      And why is that a problem? You can't use "tr KIki IKik"? (Or something slightly more complicated if there are more differences.)
  3. track down the people who wrote the virus and for by jalet · · Score: 4, Funny

    Where's Jack Bauer when you need him ???

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  4. Damn it by alx5000 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Besides, there's a more direct method of breaking the encryption: track down the people who wrote the virus and force them to talk.

    If only I hadn't erased Jack Bauer's cell from my contact list after the last season...

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    1. Re:Damn it by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 2, Funny

      Besides, there's a more direct method of breaking the encryption: track down the people who wrote the virus and force them to talk.

      If only I hadn't erased Jack Bauer's cell from my contact list after the last season...

      I had his number in my PC, but somehow I can't access it all of a sudden. I think a virus encrypted it.
    2. Re:Damn it by DrYak · · Score: 1

      Besides, there's a more direct method of breaking the encryption: track down the people who wrote the virus and force them to talk. Yup. When brute force doesn't cut it,
      USE MOAR VIOLENCE!!!11!ONEONE

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    3. Re:Damn it by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 1

      Well duh. Beating the shit out of people is the oldest method of brute-force attacks.

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  5. Backup by name*censored* · · Score: 1

    I'm glad at the enormous figures involved here (one year x 15 million computers). Hopefully, it'll teach people to backup systematically, cleanly and frequently - after all, the arms race on malware/virii has led to better computer security policies and techniques, even if there were many casualties.

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  6. That all depends ... by El+Cubano · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Besides, there's a more direct method of breaking the encryption: track down the people who wrote the virus and force them to talk.

    That depends on whether you think it is acceptable to compel someone to reveal something like that. If, as for example in the US, someone cannot be forced to incriminate himself, then he can just refuse and there is no further recourse. That is, if the only way of getting information out of someone is to ask them nicely for it.

    1. Re:That all depends ... by alx5000 · · Score: 2, Funny

      ... or bribing them! Hah! Foiling their plans of locking peoples files down! Oh, wait...

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    2. Re:That all depends ... by joshamania · · Score: 1

      Well, Dubyuh's already pretty much told the whole world he doesn't give a rats ass about the "rights" of his own citizens, let alone those of a foreign national running an extortion campaign against citizens of the US and other western nations.

      My personal opinion is that these guys have a bullet with their name on it, its just a matter of time before stuff like this starts getting people killed on a regular basis. If the governments are not powerful enough or unwilling to tackle such criminal issues...one of these encryption bugs is going to hit the wrong CEO with too much money and/or spite and volia...you have a new episode of CSI Moscow.

      Seriously? Would it cost more than a coupla hundred dollars to bribe the right people over at egold or whatever "bank" these asshats are using to find an address? Or a postoffice box, or a forwarding bank account somewhere with a name on it?

      There is no recourse right now in the current criminal justice system for crimes of this nature. So my question is when is the rich guy going to make his own recourse...or does it start with the CIA? I have zero problems with the CIA going and finding homes for bullets in Russian spammers or Nigerian scammers or any other criminals who attack US citizens from outside the US.

      This type of interhuman conflict is completely new to western legal systems and the source is coming from places where Western "justice" is scoffed at. Dont think I'm crazy...this is the kind of shit wars are started over.

    3. Re:That all depends ... by xaxa · · Score: 1

      There is no recourse right now in the current criminal justice system for crimes of this nature. Really? In the UK there's things like the Computer Misuse Act, and since the scammer has accessed a computer without permission (with the virus) he's clearly breaking the law. A UK citizen was extradited to the USA last year for hacking a government computer, I think you have the laws.

      I have zero problems with the CIA going and finding homes for bullets in Russian spammers or Nigerian scammers or any other criminals who attack US citizens from outside the US. And you trust the CIA to do it right? Ha!
    4. Re:That all depends ... by Xest · · Score: 1

      This sort of scenario is one of the few where I think plea bargains are probably a good thing. The rest of the time they seem rather a stupid idea to me.

      If the guy isn't willing to let hundreds of people have their data back then throw the book at him, if he's at very least decent enough to give it up then cut his sentence a fair bit.

    5. Re:That all depends ... by MozeeToby · · Score: 1

      On the other hand they could just say, "Tell us the keys and you'll only get 10 years in prison."

    6. Re:That all depends ... by joshamania · · Score: 1

      And I'm sure the Russians and the Chinese are just lined up outside their respective United States embassies with armloads of computer criminals who's main source of income comes from US citizens.

      Western "laws" dont extend to most of the world, and yet just about every square foot of this Earth can receive internet access without all that much trouble. I could probably set up a wifi hotspot just about anywhere in Namibia for under $3000 USD. But that's nothing because these idiots made 20 grand in the first fifteen minutes of this hitting the wild because farming stupidity has always been an *extremely* lucrative trade throughout history and now the internet adds wonderful economies of scale to those activities.

      American credit card companies have already proven more then willing to forgoe little things like, oh, gambling laws to allow them to generate more transaction fees overseas so how do you think you're going to get them to stop doing business with every unlicensed foreign financial institution? Set up a small bank in Africa/Arabia/Asia for six months, pay off the local government or mafia plenty to be left alone...farm stupidity for as much of that time as you can get away with, rinse and repeat.

      I really doubt this particular encryption virus is the work of some random russian hacker sitting in his parent's basement. Computer fraud has been the realm of organized crime for quite a while now...especially in the eastern bloc. It may not be the "russian mafia", but it could very easily be a small russian dotcom that had a crazy idea, talked to a couple of financial people or already were a part of their organization...a well connected businessman in Russia could probably pull off such a scheme quite easily without attracting any attention at all on a local level.

    7. Re:That all depends ... by lisaparratt · · Score: 1

      Depends on whether it's the authorities that tracked him down or not.

      Personally, if it causeed me a problem, I'd just send the boys round to slit open their ball sack, repeatedly stamp on one testicle until it was the consistency of foie gras, and then feed it to them. They then have the choice of handing over the key, or having the other family jewel given the same treatment.

      SOme people claim I'm cold and heartless, though.

    8. Re:That all depends ... by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 2, Funny

      That depends on whether you think it is acceptable to compel someone to reveal something like that.

      Oh, I do: as long as it's not the government doing the compelling.

      Just once it'd be fun to hear that the local mafia don's PC got infected because his wife wanted cute smileys, and that the local prosecutor is frustrated by the lack of direct evidence linking the don to what they found down by the river.

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    9. Re:That all depends ... by Cid+Highwind · · Score: 1

      Yes, well, when you have two closely-aligned legal systems in coutries with a long-standing allience and a common language and a lot of shared history, once in a while it works out. That hardly helps when the scammer and/or the malware authors are in Nigeria or Paraguay or Ukraine, or somewhere else that won't extradite to the US or UK...

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    10. Re:That all depends ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      That's if you let law enforcement track him down. If *I* track him down, I'll do whatever I please to him. I have a concealed carry permit that is recognized and honored in most of the US. Threaten to shoot off something they would miss very much and I'm sure they would happily give you whatever you wanted. Besides, what are they going to do, call the cops?

    11. Re:That all depends ... by jonbryce · · Score: 1

      I do, because I don't trust them to find the right people, and because in a civilised country, people have a right to a fair trial.

    12. Re:That all depends ... by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 1

      ``That depends on whether you think it is acceptable to compel someone to reveal something like that. If, as for example in the US, someone cannot be forced to incriminate himself, then he can just refuse and there is no further recourse.''

      Eh? How about the court ordering them to decrypt their victim's data? That would be on the top of my list, if I were to decide the matter.

      Of course, that only works once the people you have tracked down have been found guilty. But then, if they haven't been found guilty, you don't have much cause for other measures against them, either. Like the things that many other replies to your post are suggesting... :-(

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    13. Re:That all depends ... by BigRob7 · · Score: 1

      "in the US, someone cannot be forced to incriminate himself" I take it you have never heard of waterboarding?

    14. Re:That all depends ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bet you juggle bears in your spare time, too. You internet tough guy, you!

    15. Re:That all depends ... by joshamania · · Score: 1

      I don't think you're getting the part about how the people who are perpetrating these crimes are beyond any sort of "law" that the West has to desl with the problem. The next step is war, in one way, shape or form. I doubt something like this would cause a war between nations without a lot of other things going on, but it would certainly not be the first time the United States or Israel or Great Britain or France or Whomever...used governmental might to tackle problems with non-government organizations overseas.

      Think Mossad circa 1965. A government with a righteous position going after criminals in countries where said criminals are above the law. I hesitate to call any country with working toilets uncivilized, but your use of the term civilized doesnt apply at all here. There is no law or law enforcement agency currently in place, anywhere, that has the jurisdiction or the capability to deal with these attacks.

      When confronted by a situation such as this, a citizen's or government's only recourse is war. Period. You are *not* as far removed from feudalism and anarchy as you'd like to think you are. Government sanctioned slavery only disappeared around about 200 years or so ago...apartheid is still common practice all over the world...Israel, Pakistan, all over Africa and South East Asia. What makes you think your local district attorney is going to be able to help you fight bank fraud from Zimbabwe?

    16. Re:That all depends ... by maxume · · Score: 1

      I don't think you have the balls to really do that.

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    17. Re:That all depends ... by cgranade · · Score: 1

      It's not even about self-incrimination. As far as I know (though beware, the standard /. IANAL warning applies), if you kidnap someone and are caught without your victim in tow, you can force (in the legal sense-- not the beating and torture sense) the kidnapper to tell you.

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    18. Re:That all depends ... by Peaker · · Score: 1

      What do you mean by Apartheid?

      What features of Apartheid does Israel have?

    19. Re:That all depends ... by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

      in the US, the LEGAL SYSTEM is prevented from coercing self-incrimination. cousin Vinny can do as he wishes in an abandoned warehouse.

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    20. Re:That all depends ... by lisaparratt · · Score: 1

      What gave it away? The fact my name's Lisa?

    21. Re:That all depends ... by lisaparratt · · Score: 1

      No, I get beaten by my Mistress. It's fun for the whole family.

  7. Force? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nobody has the balls to use force anymore.

    Us: Pretty please give us the private key so we can get our crap back
    Them: stuff it
    Us: oh, ok. thanks anyway

    1. Re: Force? by Alwin+Henseler · · Score: 1

      Nobody has the balls to use force anymore. You mean physical force, the force, or brute force?
    2. Re: Force? by Nullav · · Score: 1

      Nuclear force? After all, I heard those Nazis were really into encryption.

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    3. Re:Force? by Sounder40 · · Score: 1

      There was a day many years ago when thieves and other miscreants would find their head on a pike for all the other miscreants to see as a warning that plying their trade in that city would result in the same happening to them.

      We're much too genteel to do such a thing anymore, at least so overtly. But we still have spies, don't we? Guys that operate under the radar? Can't we send them to track the bastards down and publicly terminate them? It would accomplish the same thing, sending a clear messages to all the other script-kiddies that you will meet a similar fate if you try it yourself.

      I know it sounds all "kill the bastards!" and all, but we need to make examples of these scumbags. We don't need to slap them on the hand anymore.

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    4. Re:Force? by Nullav · · Score: 1

      Especially since this kind of thing isn't just for Fatty McPimpleface down the road anymore. It's a lucrative business, akin to busting up stores and homes for 'protection money' (but with fewer guns). Yes, kill the bastards. Kill them, arrest them, just get them the hell away from anything with blinking LEDs.
      Alternatively, a lot of effort could be saved by keeping weekly backups on another machine. It probably wouldn't even take up much space, so long as you only saved files you made. What good are any of those viruses/worms/email scams, so long as people understand best practices?

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  8. Make them talk? by JCSoRocks · · Score: 2, Funny

    How are we going to do that? Everyone knows that things aren't nearly as fun as they used to be... people are even complaining about waterboarding now! what's this world coming to? Shoot, I remember when you could put a man on the rack - no problem.

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    1. Re:Make them talk? by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Funny

      Simple. Lock them in a cell with a person whose complete pr0n collection is now encrypted. Then go out and come back about an hour later. They talk. They will confess everything, including the assassination of JFK, just as long as they don't have to spend more time with someone whose jackoff material is gone and they're to blame for it.

      Talk about motivation!

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    2. Re:Make them talk? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They probably have the key saved somewhere on their computer, so the police could just confiscate it and find the code. Alternatively, you could just take all their keyboards/mice. They would be willing to hand over the code within a week.

    3. Re:Make them talk? by michrech · · Score: 1
      OR, they'd just buy a new keyboard/mouse with the money fools have paid them to "get their data back".

      They probably have the key saved somewhere on their computer, so the police could just confiscate it and find the code. Alternatively, you could just take all their keyboards/mice. They would be willing to hand over the code within a week.
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    4. Re:Make them talk? by Bobb+Sledd · · Score: 1

      Ha... that's funny. My complete pr0n collection already *is* encrypted!

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    5. Re:Make them talk? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      especially if that collection consisted entirely of sadistic homosexual rape videos

    6. Re:Make them talk? by ekhben · · Score: 1

      I have a way to ensure all my porn is perfectly safe. I store it on the Internet, instead of on my own PC.

    7. Re:Make them talk? by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's your porn collection? Wow!

      But you have some really odd fetishes, I gotta tell ya that.

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  9. Re:Die! Die! Die! by MrMr · · Score: 1

    But, surely the writers of the malware are also partly to blame.
    Oh, wait...

  10. Tag: Goodluckwiththat by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The people who did that sit in a country ending in -stan. Countries ending in -stan have real problems and don't care for problems their citizens cause abroad.

    You can trust me on that one, I've tried. I've even had so much as the name of the person to prosecute. Nothing came out of it. Despite including our federal police and interpol.

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    1. Re:Tag: Goodluckwiththat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am not siding with you here.

      People that live in the stan countries do not want to come to the US. The SEALS keep the people in line.

      Who are the Federal Police?

      - The Demetrius -

    2. Re:Tag: Goodluckwiththat by CodeBuster · · Score: 3, Informative

      You can trust me on that one, I've tried. I've even had so much as the name of the person to prosecute. Nothing came out of it. Despite including our federal police and interpol. Nothing came of it because you did not sweeten the pot for local law enforcement, politicians, and judges with large bribes. If one wants justice or even just to get something done in a -stan country then one has to grease the wheels of the local economy or in other words its pay (more than your opponent) to play. This is how much of the world outside of the United States, Britain, and Western Europe functions, it is practically impossible to get things done or at least done quickly if bribes are not involved.
    3. Re:Tag: Goodluckwiththat by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      . If one wants justice or even just to get something done in a -stan country then one has to grease the wheels of the local economy or in other words its pay (more than your opponent) to play.

      I would think the US government, or most western European countries, could put enough pressure on a -stan country to get them to turn over a single, unimportant, individual.

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    4. Re:Tag: Goodluckwiththat by CodeBuster · · Score: 1

      It depends upon who is asking. If the US government is asking then they are likely to get at least some of what they want (or all of it for simple requests) because they have deep pockets and carry a big stick. If a private American citizen is attempting to recover money that he or she lost in a scam or some other private matter and that private citizen is just an ordinary American (not famous and not a politician or a CEO) then it is still pay to play because the US government is unlikely to use their political capital or cash to help you pursue a private matter against a foreign person in a foreign country.

    5. Re:Tag: Goodluckwiththat by Shotgun · · Score: 1

      There is the other venue.

      Years ago my Russian language teacher reported to us that his friend worked at a bank. The job was to find out who broke into the banks computer network and to take out mob contracts on them. Mess with the bank, then you'll have the mob messing with you.

      I'm not making a recommendation, I'm just saying that not everyone plays nice.

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  11. Force them to talk? by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    How? I thought torture was disallowed.

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    1. Re:Force them to talk? by jeiler · · Score: 2, Funny

      You must be new here.

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    2. Re:Force them to talk? by Thyamine · · Score: 1

      Tattoo random 1024 bit keys on their body until they tell us the right one?

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    3. Re:Force them to talk? by david@ecsd.com · · Score: 1

      Only to the government...

    4. Re:Force them to talk? by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Does sitting in a small jail cell on contempt of court charges for an indefinite period of time count as torture? I know that this would do it for me.

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    5. Re:Force them to talk? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Told by someone with a higher user id. How ironic.

    6. Re:Force them to talk? by jeiler · · Score: 1

      Irony was the point.

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  12. 15 million modern computers?? by iamacat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They are best off using a large botnet then. Perhaps modify the extortion virus itself so that it's part of solution rather than part of the problem.

    1. Re:15 million modern computers?? by Nullav · · Score: 1

      Doubtful. Anyone looking to hold onto a botnet wouldn't make every machine capable of being a head node. Hell, that probably wouldn't do any good anyway, so long as you don't know the key. A somewhat inelegant solution would be to purposely get infected, record all network traffic, get infected again, then try the previous key. If it works, you can reasonably assume that enough machines have the same key to make it useful...for a bit.
      Sadly, antivirus companies don't make money off of people who learn from their mistakes, so even if it helped everyone, a one-time fix won't cut it.

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    2. Re:15 million modern computers?? by amnezick · · Score: 0

      or "pretty please" IBM to let them use roadrunner for a few hours

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  13. Offtopic, was Re:Die! Die! Die! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is ti just me or does anyone else see the irony of a Russian dating service ad on /. shortly after the conclusion of the Reiser trial?

  14. Lets put some Iraqis to work on this. by leereyno · · Score: 1

    The sadists who ran Saddam's network of torture and death chambers are out of work at the moment.

    Surely they could be employed to .... persuade these people to talk.

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  15. 15 million CPU years by robo_mojo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    15 million CPU years per key? And the attacker can just make up new keys as often as he likes. He could even make a different key for each target if he wanted.

    15 million CPU years is a lot to spend when you could just restore from backups.

    1. Re:15 million CPU years by cinnamon+colbert · · Score: 1

      newby question here: can'tyou put together some specialized hardware, like cell processors or something that are a 1e6 faster then a "modern" computer (which i assume is a random wintel desktop)

    2. Re:15 million CPU years by Cid+Highwind · · Score: 1

      You can (and it's safe to assume the No Such Agency has a couple of them tucked away in a basement somewhere), but a million Cell processors are expensive and getting volunteers to join a distributed computing project is cheap. IIRC there are published plans for a $100k desktop optical RSA cracking machine, too.

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    3. Re:15 million CPU years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  16. 1024 bits is big by steveb3210 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The size of the keyspace doubles per bit, 2^1024 is the size of keyspace.. Brute factoring the key is not happening..

    1. Re:1024 bits is big by Daimanta · · Score: 2, Informative

      But you don't have to check them all. You can start at the root of the number and go down, skipping even numbers and then some.

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    2. Re:1024 bits is big by Gospodin · · Score: 1

      Gosh, you're right! The root of the number reduces it to 2^512. Skipping even numbers drops that another factor of 2 to a mere 2^511 factors that must be checked*. Child's play!

      * Back of the envelope. I realize the number of potential factors is actually quite a bit less than this. Still a big power of 2 though.

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    3. Re:1024 bits is big by evanbd · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That would solve it in only 2^511 operations. In actuality, factoring of large numbers is far more efficient than that. The techniques are complex, but they're quite good. That's why a 1024 bit RSA key is considered somewhat small (2048 or 4096 are the norm) but for symmetric key ciphers (where you do have to try all 2^n possible keys) use key sizes of 256 bits or less.

    4. Re:1024 bits is big by burris · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      All of the people in this thread are ignoramuses. Nobody uses complete trial and error or the Sieve of Erastothenes for serious factorization. There are much faster algorithms such as the general number field sieve. Try actually knowing something about the topic before commenting.

    5. Re:1024 bits is big by robo_mojo · · Score: 1

      But you don't have to check them all. You can start at the root of the number and go down, skipping even numbers and then some.

      Square root of 2^1024: 2^512
      Number of primes below 2^512: ~2^503.5 (x/ln(x))

      There isn't an easy trick to this unless the person's selection of P and Q is weak. For example picking a P where P-1 has only small factors (then Pollard's factoring method would easily find it).
    6. Re:1024 bits is big by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      i'm glad you finally solved the problem of prime factorisation of big numbers.

    7. Re:1024 bits is big by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 1

      They probably won't be using brute force, but some sort of elliptic sieve technique, probably a variant of the generalize number factor sieve, which is the most efficient prime factorization technique currently known.

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    8. Re:1024 bits is big by Kjella · · Score: 1
      I think a general summary of the idiocy of this can be summarized from this section on RSA security:

      As of 2005, the largest number factored by a general-purpose factoring algorithm was 663 bits long (see RSA-200), using a state-of-the-art distributed implementation. RSA keys are typically 10242048 bits long. Some experts believe that 1024-bit keys may become breakable in the near term (though this is disputed); (...) A theoretical hardware device named TWIRL and described by Shamir and Tromer in 2003 called into question the security of 1024 bit keys. It is currently recommended that n be at least 2048 bits long. (1024-663) = 361 missing bits, and symmetric strength/8 ~= symmmetric strength based on key searches I've seen so 361/8 = 2^45 short. In other words even if Moore keeps up, you might get your data back in 50 years or so at best...
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    9. Re:1024 bits is big by lorenzino · · Score: 1

      MOD PARENT UP

  17. Re:Die! Die! Die! by JCSoRocks · · Score: 0

    *BOOM* HEADSHOT!

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  18. Re:track down the people who wrote the virus and f by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Perhaps in jail, on DUI charges?

  19. Interbank Data Recovery Services by wagnerrp · · Score: 5, Funny

    Fortunately, we had Interbank Data Recovery Services. And Interbank does more than just acquire the decryption key.

    That's because Interbank vows to find out who sent you the ransom and hunt them down like animals. Like filthy, dirty animals. That's the Interbank difference. See, I don't care how Interbank's secret police get things done. I just care that they get things done. For us.

    Plus, because we'd enrolled in their Premiere Membership program, Interbank also hunted down friends and relatives of the guy who had encrypted our data, dragged them from their beds in the middle of the night, and set fire to their homes.

    1. Re:Interbank Data Recovery Services by flyingfsck · · Score: 2, Funny

      Why drag them out of the house first? That is very inefficient.

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  20. It is a good devlopment, Don't help them by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 4, Insightful
    We should not help people whose data is held at ransom. Finally they will see the folly in using cheapest software, in the cheapest platform with no regard for security. Companies will start taking insurance against data loss. And the insurance premium will be more for insecure closed proprietary crapware like Windows.

    As long as security is valued at zero dollars when the IT bean counters are evaluating platforms and vendors crapware will proliferate.

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    1. Re:It is a good devlopment, Don't help them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cheapest software? Cheapest platform?

      You're right, free software is for suckers.

    2. Re:It is a good devlopment, Don't help them by Sockatume · · Score: 1

      "Finally they will see the folly in using cheapest software, in the cheapest platform". Linux?

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    3. Re:It is a good devlopment, Don't help them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't the cheapest platform Linux? Or Unix? Since it is free as in beer.....

    4. Re:It is a good devlopment, Don't help them by zullnero · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You seem to forget that Windows isn't cheap at all. Have you ever purchased a site license?

      The real people against the wall are lazy Windows admins, or companies that understaff their IT department (or hire idiots with little formal education or experience on the dime). No one will ever take out insurance against this stuff, and if someone tries to sell it, they may well be the scum behind the ransomware to begin with. What companies will do is force all their IT people to get MS certs, because managers and execs do exactly what Microsoft tells them to do. Microsoft tells you to pay ungodly amounts for certifications, that's what they do.

    5. Re:It is a good devlopment, Don't help them by cmat · · Score: 1

      Yup, and I'll make a note not to assist you in any way when you're choking to death on some bit of food, for clearly, eating slowly and carefully so as to not cause the problem was not valued enough. That goes for all that moderated this as "Insightful"; this is much more a reflection on the moderators rather than the value of the comment.

      That is a very sad world-view.

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    6. Re:It is a good devlopment, Don't help them by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This one's a Trojan, though, not an exploit. If your platform allows installing general-purpose software then the possible countermeasures (warnings, administrator password prompts, requiring chmod +x, sandboxing) are all kind of flimsy. Sandboxing is at odds with the "general purpose software" part -- imagine that this had been masquerading as a privacy tool that protected your files by encrypting them. Either you have a sandbox the user can't override that blocks legitimate encryption software, or you have one the user can override that the user then will override.

      Signed packages in well-maintained repositories are a good countermeasure, but closed source vendors could do that too.

  21. Don't forget the corollary. by khasim · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Don't forget the corollary.

    Encourage the application writers to make their applications EASY TO BACKUP.

    The problem I keep seeing is that TELLING someone to back up their data is easy to do. FINDING ALL of the data is just about impossible.

    You'll never know if you got it all until AFTER a problem.

    Or even ... how about just including a simple script that will look at how it's installed TODAY and back it up to a location chosen by the user? And then that script will generate a script to install that backup should you need it to. Along with license keys and decoding keys and unlocking keys, etc.

    1. Re:Don't forget the corollary. by hoggoth · · Score: 1

      > Encourage the application writers to make their applications EASY TO BACKUP.
      > The problem I keep seeing is that TELLING someone to back up their data is easy to do. FINDING ALL of the data is just about impossible.

      It drives me crazy that it is nearly impossible to back up applications under Windows.
      I want to back up a directory tree and know that I can reinstall that appliction by restoring that backup.
      But under Windows, the application consists of files in the applications 'Program Files' directory, plus entries scattered around the registry, plus files dropped into the 'Windows' directory or 'Windows/System32' or other Windows directories, plus files in 'Documents and Settings/User/Application Data' and/or 'Documents and Settings/User/Local Settings'.

      Do I just not know some Windows Admin secret magic, or is it true that I really can't back up my applications. I'd like to be able to reinstall Windows and then restore all of my applications.

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    2. Re:Don't forget the corollary. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Listen to this man.

      I recently spent my weekend figuring out WHAT to back up on a server that needed a reformat. I hate these stupid applications that store data in C:\Program Files\$NONSENSICAL_ABBREVIATION\Some Folder\Qwerty\Yu.iop. God forbid you replace that with $HOMEDIRECTORY\$APPLICATION's Data

      And don't get me started on a certain application that required me to call tech support for a password to restore data through their lame backup program.

    3. Re:Don't forget the corollary. by pla · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Do I just not know some Windows Admin secret magic, or is it true that I really can't back up my applications. I'd like to be able to reinstall Windows and then restore all of my applications.

      Not quite a direct answer, but you might want to consider using mostly "Portable" apps (that site has tons of them, but by no means counts as the only source... And of course, better-designed programs work portably without needing a wrapper).

      They have nothing to do with Linux or FOSS (though they do tend to exist as FOSS and have Linux versions available). You copy the program's directory (and, if you changed it, your data directory) to a new machine, and bam, it just works. No installation, no annoying migration tools that fail half the time, no custom compression schemes that only worked back on version 4.8 but they stopped supporting in 5.0 and no longer sell version 4.8, etc.

      With most of them, you can run them from USB thumb-drives (the original meaning in this context of "portable" - Literally, you can take them with you); With many, you can even run them from read-only media such as a CD (though obviously you can't save your data in the same place when doing so).

    4. Re:Don't forget the corollary. by mabhatter654 · · Score: 1

      Apple makes it easy to back up Windows. Plug in a drive for time machine and let it backup the virtual image files. Easy as pie.

    5. Re:Don't forget the corollary. by domatic · · Score: 1

      It drives me crazy that it is nearly impossible to back up applications under Windows.



      You can but it takes a bit of work. AFAIK this method should work for most anything but YMMV.

      Acquire the following two applications:

      Advanced Installer: www.advancedinstaller.com

      Unlocking all of Advanced Installer's functionality requires paying but for "Simple Packages" it is freeware. This may be worth doing as their "Repackager" is part of the pay-for functionality and with a bit of editing will do what you want in one fell swoop. Basically, Repackager runs app installers and watches regkeys created and files dropped on the filesystem. Once manually dropping regkeys that MS Installer creates itself for tracking purposes, this will create an .msi of most any installer you can run from an exe.

      Total Uninstall 2.3.5: You'll have to dig a bit for this version. The latest version is shareware. The intended purpose of this app is doing a more complete job of uninstalling apps than Add/Remove programs does. You use it to execute exe and msi installers and like the Advanced Installer Repackager it will track all regkeys and files dropped. It most helpfully provides a list of these that you can use to create "simple packages" with AI. No, it doesn't export a list for the AI packager. You refer to the list while creating the package manually.

      If you pay to use the Repackager then you can probably dispense with Total Uninstall and get this done a lot faster.

      Of course, I welcome better applications and methods for doing this if anybody knows.

      BTW diffPackageMaker is good for this on OS X too.
    6. Re:Don't forget the corollary. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The problem I keep seeing is that TELLING someone to back up their data is easy to do. FINDING ALL of the data is just about impossible.

      That's funny, all of my user data seems to be in $HOME. Perhaps there's a problem with your operating system?

      In fact, I was just commenting on the ease of transferring my data to my girlfriend, who did not care. (She made the mistake of bringing up something computer-related.) Because I run my Win32 apps on Wine, all I had to do was copy the .wine directory and that copied my registry, too. So all I do is copy my home directory, and EVERYTHING (and I mean EVERYTHING) is copied.

      Here's $0.00. Get a real OS, kid.

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    7. Re:Don't forget the corollary. by ohcrapitssteve · · Score: 1

      It's funny you mention this. This is the one place where TimeMachine drives me up a wall. TimeMachine backs up when it notices a 10% change in a file. This ends up writing 5 or 6 or whatever GB files of your WinXP image again and again and again. What I ended up doing was creating a share on the host Mac that Windows pulls -all- of it's files from. It was that or move the image file somewhere where TimeMachine couldn't find it.

    8. Re:Don't forget the corollary. by giorgiofr · · Score: 1

      I use Altiris Software Virtualization solution (SVS) and it seems to work OK for some apps but crash and burn for some others. Basically, simple apps work fine; apps that install lowish-level stuff (services, drivers, printers, fonts, etc) don't work, either fine or at all. It's free for personal use, so you can try it out. Please read the documentation, there is some important stuff in there, more than usual. HTH

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    9. Re:Don't forget the corollary. by ohcrapitssteve · · Score: 1

      Jesus Christ, Grandma! How many times do I have to tell you, you have to be super user to use apt! Argh!

      I kid because I love.

    10. Re:Don't forget the corollary. by sempernoctis · · Score: 1

      Do I just not know some Windows Admin secret magic, or is it true that I really can't back up my applications. I'd like to be able to reinstall Windows and then restore all of my applications. I used to back up my Windows systems by loading Knoppix (or any other live Linux distro) from a CD, plugging in an external hard drive, and using dd to make a bit-for-bit duplicate of each partition I wanted. Down sides to this include you have to shut down the system to back it up, you can't do incremental updates, and unless you know the right tricks, you need a backup drive larger than the drive you're backing up regardless of how much of it is actually being used.
    11. Re:Don't forget the corollary. by bucky0 · · Score: 1

      My mom uses XP under a VM, and I put her disk image under the 'ignore' tree on time machine to ignore the main image, but not ignore the snapshots folder. It's not automatic, but that way it'd still be possible to go back to a snapshot if you lost the main drive.

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    12. Re:Don't forget the corollary. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, I really didn't know this was a Windows Admin secret magic trick, but here you go:

      * Start > Run > ntbackup (included by default in 2000 / XP Pro / Server 2003; must be installed separately in XP Home)
      * If the stupid little wizard thing pops up, clear the check box and just click "Advanced Mode"
      * Head to the "Backup" tab
      * Select the volume that contains your OS and Program files (or just select all of the volumes if you're not sure)
      * Select "System State"
      * Set the location for the backup file (external USB drive, network location, w/e) in the "Backup media or file name" box.
      * Click "Start Backup"
      * This should be the default, but just to be safe, click on "Advanced", then ensure the backup type is set to "Copy" or "Normal". This is just to be sure you're not doing an incremental/differential backup of the volumes in your backup set. Normal resets archive bit, Copy doesn't. System state backups are always Copy backups.
      * Click OK and click Start Backup.
      * Go for a coffee

      The system state includes the registry and all of those other hidden little M$ things. Note that when restoring your system state (along with the related data from the volume), you're rolling back your system to the time of the backup; there is no option to simply restore a single application.

      If you need any more help: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/setup/learnmore/bott_03july14.mspx

      Just because it's a Microsoft product and free doesn't mean it's useless.

    13. Re:Don't forget the corollary. by ProfessionalCookie · · Score: 1
      Yes- this is why Apple's Time Machine is great, not because it's a nifty backup tool but because it's easier than a two button mouse to use.

      It will be nice when Windows includes a similar tool in every install.

    14. Re:Don't forget the corollary. by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      If my apps were a bunch of open source stuff that could be put on a thumbdrive, I wouldn't NEED to back them up. It's the programs that take hours to install and require me to find multiple CD's that I really want to backup. Ever tried doing a fresh World of Warcraft reinstall?

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    15. Re:Don't forget the corollary. by ArsonSmith · · Score: 1

      Umm, Grandma, why do you want to use apt again?

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    16. Re:Don't forget the corollary. by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      ok so your repackager can monitor an installer and turn it into an MSI, that is great for making your apps easier to deploy in a corp environment but I don't see how it helps with backup. If you have the original installer you can just back that up, the main reason someone would want to back up an application off thier computer is because they no longer have the installer.

      The problem with trying to back up an application that is already installed is it can be near impossible to work out which of the files on your system may be used by the app. Maybe you can get that info from the uninstall data but my guess is that data does not dependably list everything the app needs (e.g. there are some updates to windows components that app installers are allowed to install but should never remove)

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    17. Re:Don't forget the corollary. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      You copy the program's directory (and, if you changed it, your data directory) to a new machine, and bam, it just works.

      Why did people ever get away from this approach? We had this right in 1985. It's hard to believe how utterly byzantine and over-complicated we've made the installation of simple single-user programs. (Okay, not 'we'. 'Parties who shall remain nameless,' let us say.)

    18. Re:Don't forget the corollary. by domatic · · Score: 1

      ok so your repackager can monitor an installer and turn it into an MSI, that is great for making your apps easier to deploy in a corp environment but I don't see how it helps with backup. If you have the original installer you can just back that up, the main reason someone would want to back up an application off thier computer is because they no longer have the installer.

      If you had to click a bunch of dialogs, enter regkeys, or (horrors) activate it, then all the information that made that work can be done away with in a good precooked msi. If I wanted to quickly replicate a Windows environment then I don't want to click dialogs and run upty million updaters and fight activation servers. I'd want to blast things back in quickly. Of course, a really obnoxious activation setup may detect that it is a new load of Windows.....

      The problem with trying to back up an application that is already installed is it can be near impossible to work out which of the files on your system may be used by the app. Maybe you can get that info from the uninstall data but my guess is that data does not dependably list everything the app needs (e.g. there are some updates to windows components that app installers are allowed to install but should never remove)

      The answer here is to be in the habit of using install watch utilities to know those things.

      The other option is to load up a clean machine with all the apps you like to use and image it. The combination of sysprep, mergeide.reg, DriverPacks, and nLite can be used to produce an image with a high probability of restoring onto all new equipment if need be. Then keep the contents of your Documents and Settings backed up separately along with any new installers you employed since the last image you mad.

      BTW, even OS X has apps that don't install/uninstall cleanly by moving icons in and out of /Applications.

      The closest to happiness I've seen is dumping the installed package list of Debian derivatives and keeping the installers for any out-of-repository itmes backed up. I can replicate a working environment onto a new Debian-type install in about an hour and most of that time is spent downloading packages.

    19. Re:Don't forget the corollary. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Does your grandma often launch msiexec?

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    20. Re:Don't forget the corollary. by ohcrapitssteve · · Score: 1

      The old bitty always forgets the -i.

  22. Got to be a link to the extortionist by uab21 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The screenshot at http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9965381-7.html?tag=nefd.top says that the victim pays to download a 'decryptor'. Either the decryptor contacts, in real time, the extortionist (at a server location that can be linked to them), or the private key is included in the decryptor program, and should be able to be sussed out...

    1. Re:Got to be a link to the extortionist by steveb3210 · · Score: 4, Informative

      The explanation I found on the site isn't quite this simple. The data is encrypted with a randomly-generated symmertic key that is protected with RSA.. You send the bad guys the file with the key in it, they decrpyt it and write a program to decrypt everything..

    2. Re:Got to be a link to the extortionist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's assuming the extortionist will give the key after payment, or even still has the key in his possession. It is entirely possible that the private key simply does not exist anymore.

    3. Re:Got to be a link to the extortionist by canuck57 · · Score: 1

      The screenshot at http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9965381-7.html?tag=nefd.top says that the victim pays to download a 'decryptor'. Either the decryptor contacts, in real time, the extortionist (at a server location that can be linked to them), or the private key is included in the decryptor program, and should be able to be sussed out...

      In which case, setup a sting operation and pay for one. Me, I have no intention of lending my CPU to crack keys for someone who didn't make backups.

    4. Re:Got to be a link to the extortionist by Kjella · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Quite simple and very effective and can be done using standard tools:

      1. Encrypt victim's data with random AES key
      2. Store key in body of a PGP message for yourself
      3. Get victim to send you the PGP message
      3. Decrypt PGP message using private PGP key, find AES key
      4. Send AES key to victim - for a price...

      Seriously, this could probably be hacked together in the matter of a few hours if explained to someone knowledgable. The private key never leaves the bad guys. And if they decide the heat is on and torch the operation and set it up elsewhere you're 100% screwed. Trying to crack this must be the most useless operation ever, they could easily make the keys stronger and thousands of years would pass to crack it. In one word: Nasty.

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    5. Re:Got to be a link to the extortionist by mcdougrs · · Score: 0

      When I first saw that screenshot my first thought was "Man wouldn't it be funny if they just put a ._CRYPT extention at the end of every file and then told the computer on double click to display that Attention window!" That would be THE BEST practical joke ever!

    6. Re:Got to be a link to the extortionist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're forgetting step 2a: Destroy all copies of the AES key locally.

      And to make it even nastier: Keep the key around and transparently decrypt everything for a good long while so that the victim does not notice and encrypted versions of the files migrate into any backups they may be making.

  23. Force them to talk. by david@ecsd.com · · Score: 1

    Besides, there's a more direct method of breaking the encryption: track down the people who wrote the virus and force them to talk.

    I've been an advocate for this method for quite some time. "Tell me Mr. Extortionist, how can your write a virus with ten broken fingers?..."

  24. Leave it be. by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So, there are two possibilities here:

    1. People are running crappy software that got hacked, or
    2. People did something dumb like running an .exe that someone mailed them.

    Either way, this seems like a pretty strong (if harsh) lesson for end users. If #1, use better software, like your geek friends have been telling you this for years. That doesn't have to mean installing Ubuntu; it could just mean upgrading from IE6 to Firefox (or IE7), or from Outlook Express to Thunderbird (or Gmail). If #2, then haven't you been told about 1,000 times not to do that? Now do you see why?

    I truly feel bad for people who get nailed for this, in almost exactly the same way I feel bad for my kids when they touch the stove after I've told them it was hot.

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    1. Re:Leave it be. by Drakonik · · Score: 1

      Hear hear. I'm all for tough love. My sister is one of those users whose eyes glaze over when you try to explain computer security, and once every year or two, I have to disinfect her computer. If I had my way, I'd make her live with it until she figured out how to clear it out herself and stop getting herself into the same damn situation.

  25. Cryptography 101 by lightneo · · Score: 1

    Since the virus seems to only use one key, can't we just infect a file with known content and reverse the key by comparing the original/infected versions?

    1. Re:Cryptography 101 by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

      Since the virus seems to only use one key, can't we just infect a file with known content and reverse the key by comparing the original/infected versions?

      No. Plaintext isn't xor'ed with the key itself, but with a stream of data created using the key as one of the inputs. Similarly, I only have one GPG encryption key, but good luck reverse engineering it even given known plaintext.

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    2. Re:Cryptography 101 by robo_mojo · · Score: 1

      That works only with horribly broken/inadequate encryption schemes. Where did you attend Crypto 101?

    3. Re:Cryptography 101 by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      AIUI RSA is designed to resist known plain-text attacks. After all, it wouldn't be very useful for encrypting things like web pages (which tend to being with ) or hard drives (which tend to being with a partition table).

      All modern encryption schemes are hardened against this sort of thing. They would be fairly useless otherwise.

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  26. Let me get this straight by Thelasko · · Score: 1

    If we take known data and expose it to this virus, it will encrypt it so well that it takes 15 million computers to figure out the key?

    I assume the folks at Kaspersky labs know what they are doing, but known data? Even if we get several samples of known data and compare it to it's encrypted counterpart, it takes 15 million computers?

    I mean Colossus only had suspected known data, such as, "Nothing to report" and broke the enigma code. That's impressive!

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    1. Re:Let me get this straight by Excelcia · · Score: 1

      A good thing it takes 15 million computers too, because some suspected known data like, say, your bank balance would be in for a world of hurt if encryption were as easy to crack today as Enigma was.

    2. Re:Let me get this straight by brunes69 · · Score: 1

      I think you need to re-take your "Encryption 101" course. Knowing the data is no help at all in discovering the private key in a public/private key system.

      For example, do you think your SSH password is encrypted the same way every time it crosses the wire? No.

    3. Re:Let me get this straight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      If this is the least bit surprising to you, all I can say is that you are not very up to date with cryptography. Security against a so-called "known plaintext attack" is an absolutely stock standard criteria for ciphers these days. For the last few decades no serious cipher has been substantially weaker against known plaintexts than against random plaintexts.

    4. Re:Let me get this straight by burris · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, RSA is vulnerable to chosen plaintext. That is one of the reasons why a signature system encrypts the hash of the document instead of the document itself.

      In this case it is a randomly generated symmetric key that is encrypted so known plaintext won't help. I wonder if the white hats have looked closely at the key generation code. There is a good chance that there isn't much entropy in the keys and the keyspace can be narrowed down enough to make guessing the symmetric key feasible.

    5. Re:Let me get this straight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If this is the least bit surprising to you, all I can say is that you are not very up to date with cryptography. Security against a so-called "known plaintext attack" is an absolutely stock standard criteria for ciphers these days. For the last few decades no serious cipher has been substantially weaker against known plaintexts than against random plaintexts.
      Too bad this isn't a known plaintext attack but a chosen plaintext attack.
    6. Re:Let me get this straight by brunes69 · · Score: 1

      Properly implemented RSA IS NOT volnerable to chosen plaintext, because the way it works is this

      - Encryptor generates a NEW symmetric encryption key
      - Encryptor encrypts document using this key
      - Encryptor ENCRYPTS symentric key with RSA private key
      - Document is sent to recipent
      - Recpient decrypts symmetric key using the public key
      - Recipient decrypts document using the symmetric key

      Therefore a given document is encrypted differently every time. knowing the original structure of the document does nothing to help you discover the RSA key you need to decrypt the symmetric key, because you don't know what the structure of the underlying symmetric key is supposed to be, it could be any random key.

  27. Waterboarding by mathimus1863 · · Score: 1

    When we do find that guy, we can waterboard him to get the private key. According to the man, that's not torture!

  28. Here's what I don't understand ... by oldspewey · · Score: 1

    Why are government bodies so busily working on pointless shit like this, when instead they could be doing work that actually brings value to society ... like shutting down the money pipe that keeps spammers and extortionists (of all kinds) in business? Can't somebody just invoke the specter of scary terrorists and money being funneled to Osama or something?

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  29. Data recovery by KevMar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So the encryption is sound, but did he just delete the old files after encrypting them or did he scrub the drive too.

    Someone try to undelete the files with a disk recovery tool and see what you get. Just because the file is encrypted does not mean that the original was correctly destroyed.

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    1. Re:Data recovery by sempernoctis · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The encrypted version most likely overwrote the plaintext version in-place, but I suppose it is possible there are plaintext fragments still floating about...according to what I've heard about forensics, you might have a chance if you take your hard drive platters out and borrow the nearest electron microscope to examine them :)

    2. Re:Data recovery by scummable · · Score: 1

      I remember my sister getting hit with ransomware 3-4 years ago. Fortunately, they were not as sophisticated. I was able to use this method to get her data back. A simple undelete program recover it.

  30. Downgraded from dataloss to DOS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If it takes less then 15 megayears to generate a fresh key, the attacker has already won.

  31. No trust, ergo, no reason to decrypt by mkcmkc · · Score: 3, Insightful
    What seems to be missing here, is the realization that if someone has encrypted your files without your permission (supposedly for ransom), there is no reason to trust them to restore the files correctly, and very good reasons not to trust them.

    I suppose if the file in question was something like a manuscript for a novel, where the owner can more or less verify it by eye, and (importantly) there isn't that much downside if our opponent sneaks some changes in, that might be worthwhile. But in general...

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    1. Re:No trust, ergo, no reason to decrypt by mea37 · · Score: 1

      I agree there's no reason to trust them; but if they don't honor the promise to give you a decryptor, probably they just take your money and don't respond.

      What you are suggesting (they give you a decryptor but it returns false data) would be terribly difficult. To profit by doing so -- I just can't see how.

    2. Re:No trust, ergo, no reason to decrypt by Terrasque · · Score: 2, Interesting

      it would be less work to give them a correct decryptor, than one that intentionally alters selective parts of a file. Correct decrypting will also give other people a reason to pay the ransom.

      So all in all, I think I can trust them to not intentionally do something like that, since that is in both parties' interest.

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    3. Re:No trust, ergo, no reason to decrypt by querist · · Score: 1

      Even worse, consider the following two scenarios:

      1. No decryption occurs. This would lend credence to the "they're trying to get us to break someone else's private key" theory. Person who paid the extortionist is SOL and also out $100 or whatever they're asking.

      2. Decryption occurs, but the "decryptor" installs a sleeper program that does the same thing again, different key.

      The problem with people who give in to extortionists is that the extortionists may consider them an easy source of income. Also, as discussed in #1 (above), there is no guarantee that they will do what they promised to do once they have your money. I sincerely doubt they'll agree to an escrow situation, because that would make them traceable.

      Ergo, I believe mckmck is correct. It should be clear that anyone who would so something like this should not be trusted. There are too many ways for that person to abuse his/her victims beyond the original violation.

      Bottom line: Careful, regular backups. Ideally in two flavours:

      A. Software/config backup whenever you install something. This is along the lines of "restore to the bare metal", in that you can restore to a blank hard drive.

      B. Data backup. I know people complain about the "My Documents" setup in Windows, but it the general concept of having your data in one area makes backing up just the data much easier. Do you really need to backup Microsoft Office every week if you have the install disks? This one is what you do after the bare metal restore (in the case of the virus), and it can also be handy if someone accidentally deletes a file or two.

    4. Re:No trust, ergo, no reason to decrypt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a very good reason to trust that an RC4 key that decrypts your file to anything remotely resembling the original is actually giving you the data that was originally encrypted.

      You can trust the security guys inspecting 7k of code that the virus doesn't change the files or hide any data in the encrypted key you are supposed to send to the attackers (like credit card numbers grepped from your file).

      Of course, trusting a "decryptor" from the attacker rather than applying the a key with a trusted program is a bad idea.

    5. Re:No trust, ergo, no reason to decrypt by mkcmkc · · Score: 1

      it would be less work to give them a correct decryptor, than one that intentionally alters selective parts of a file. Correct decrypting will also give other people a reason to pay the ransom. So all in all, I think I can trust them to not intentionally do something like that, since that is in both parties' interest. I have some prime Florida real estate that I believe will interest you. Could you please forward $1000 so that I can buy a computer with which to send you its description?

      :-)

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    6. Re:No trust, ergo, no reason to decrypt by mkcmkc · · Score: 1

      It would certainly be easiest for them to just skip with the money, yes. But if they have more serious nefarious intent, or worse still, if they are specifically targetting you, it's not difficult at all to write a decryptor that will (a) seemingly restore your files, and (b) leave some other problem on your system.

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  32. "force them to talk." by xbytor · · Score: 1

    AKA Rubberhose Decryption. Works every time.

  33. Jeebus by blackjackshellac · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    There are a lot of idiots reading /. these days. i bow to all of your superior abilities to backup all of your files, constantly so that you will never, ever possibly lose a bit of data. Sorry, I meant to say that you're a bunch of wankstains.

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  34. Can't we 'follow the money' ? by niks42 · · Score: 1

    Isn't that the way most frauds are cracked - by finding out where the money goes? Or is this particularly nasty SPECTRE-like extortion not illegal in the country of origin?

  35. Make another virus by Thelasko · · Score: 1, Funny

    1. Track down the virus' creator.
    2. Encrypt his/her data with a similar algorithm plus a key logger.
    3. The keylogger phones home with the key the perpetrator used to decrypt his/her data.
    4. Profit!

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  36. Talking by Rinisari · · Score: 1

    They might talk, but if there are any passwords involved, they are protected by the 5th amendment from having to divulge them.

    1. Re:Talking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Yes, because obviously american constitution applies everywhere in the world.

    2. Re:Talking by swordgeek · · Score: 0

      You're making two incorrect assumptions here:
      1) 5th Amendment protection holds sway in other countries.
      2) 5th Amendment protection holds sway in the USA.

      If they feel like it, the Russian government could go after these punks, and US law be damned. However, Russian crime gangs tend to make their own laws, and a lot of cops would likely end up dead.

      Also, in the past decade the US government has definitively shown that they don't hold the 5th (or 4th) Amendment as valid. They have done this through both law (The Executive Order from July of last year, for instance, allowing seizure of property without due cause or process), and action (officially sanctioned torture of prisoners, in violation of signed treaties).

      So good luck with that 5th Amendment thing. Hope it works for you.

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    3. Re:Talking by Rinisari · · Score: 1

      Obviously, the 5th amendment would apply only in America. The password thing was decided in by SCOTUS sometime last year. They'd have to torture the person to get the password, or hold them in contempt of court--they'd never be able to convict them on the real charges if they needed the password or the protected data as evidence.

  37. How does this malware propogate? by Savior_on_a_Stick · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Is it targeted manually, or is it a specifically directed attack? If it's out in the wild being spread [cough] virally, rather than being inserted into specific targets, then what happens when a mobster's double book accounting system gets infected. Some people have mentioned ruthless CEO's - but if this infected the wrong system, these folks could have someone after them with no restraint, deep pockets, and the resources and experience to root them out. Do I smell a TV movie in the offing?

    1. Re:How does this malware propogate? by jonwil · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It may sound bad but I actually WANT something like this to be created such that it will spread with the full force of Code Red, Nimda, Blaster, Storm and other massive attacks. 1000s of people and organizations worldwide (some of whom are important and/or have lost important data) would be hit and the world might actually start giving a stuff about computer security.

    2. Re:How does this malware propogate? by bazorg · · Score: 1
      but if this infected the wrong system, these folks could have someone after them with no restraint, deep pockets, and the resources and experience to root them out. Do I smell a TV movie in the offing?

      i bet it will be on pay per view!

    3. Re:How does this malware propogate? by Savior_on_a_Stick · · Score: 1

      Last Spammer Standing Hosted by Richard Dawson.

  38. Who Cares by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This virus only affects people running a Windows operating system. Having left Windows for Ubuntu Linux long ago, two phrases apply here:

    1. Not my problem

    2. A lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part

    Sorry, but that's the way it is. You want to wear the chains Mr. Gates has provided for your wrists? Be thankful for the scraps you get from the master's table, and don't cry about your floggings.

    1. Re:Who Cares by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, looks like they're all doomed now without Anonymous Coward, the only cryptographer in the entire universe.

    2. Re:Who Cares by dave420 · · Score: 1

      You want some help getting the sand out of your vagina? It sounds pretty bad - you should call 911 and ask for the coast guard. It might not be too late.

  39. and... by cosmocain · · Score: 1

    ...still there's no real proof for the authenticity of the keys. infections are rare... who tells me that these aren't keys used by some CA. or anything else important.

    1. Re:and... by mea37 · · Score: 1

      Well, this scenario seems a bit far fetched to me... but I guess it's hard to be sure.

      My main observation is, it doesn't make sense to trick us into breaking a key, if they have the key. So perhaps an interesting question is, has anybody paid the extortionist (and is willing to admit it), and if so was the extortionist able to provide the decryptor?

    2. Re:and... by justinlee37 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, we should buy one copy of the key and put it on a torrent for everyone else. Just like we do with music!

    3. Re:and... by mea37 · · Score: 1

      They aren't selling the key. Even if they do have it, and even if they do honor the "agreement", the victim will never get a copy of the key. (That is, the victim won't get a copy of the universal key, which is what this effort wants to crack...)

      The universal key is used to encrypt a secondary key, which is randomly generated per victim. That key can decrypt that particular victim's data (but not necessarily any other victim's data). What they claim they'll give you (embedded, presumably, in a program that performs the actual decryption) is the secondary key for your particular data.

      The 15-million-CPU-year-to-crack key would never leave the criminals' exclusive possession.

  40. There is a LITTLE magic involved. by khasim · · Score: 3, Informative

    Do I just not know some Windows Admin secret magic, or is it true that I really can't back up my applications.
    There is a little magic that you can try, but you are pretty much correct. You cannot EASILY backup your Windows apps.

    For the Registry, you can "export" the entries for that app to a file and, later, you can import that file into the Registry.

    The problem with the Registry is the same as you've noted with the file system. Stuff gets put EVERYWHERE. And there is no way to KNOW that you have EVERYTHING until AFTER you attempt to restore it. AND that doesn't include anything "updated" when you get a patch or point-zero-one release "upgrade".

    Now, the installer can put that stuff everywhere ... and in theory it can remove that stuff when you un-install it ... but it cannot COPY that stuff to a backup directory/device?

    And I don't want to hear that that is to prevent "piracy". Just encrypt the stuff with the unlocking key or whatever. That way I can keep a TEXT file of app-name -- key code on my USB drive along with the backups.
    1. Re:There is a LITTLE magic involved. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      two ways to get around this: either you use a registry monitor, or you use perl or something to export the registry, compare, and make a diff.

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  41. Other way around by DrYak · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Back in my youth, I never made regular backups.
    Then I got a virus.
    Since then, I make regular backups. Back in my childhood I did regular backups of my family's computer.
    Then we got a virus.
    Then we realized that the virus was a time bomb that was already present in dormant form even in the oldest several-months old backups.

    Sometimes you have parents that are both computer geeks, and they teach you the important of offline backups. Never the less, shit happens anyway.

    --
    "Sufficiently advanced satire is indistinguishable from reality." - [Tips: 1DrYakQDKCQ6y52z6QbnkxHXAocMZJE61o ]
    1. Re:Other way around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Back in my childhood I did regular backups of my family's computer.
      Then we got a virus.
      Then we realized that the virus was a time bomb that was already present in dormant form even in the oldest several-months old backups. So you wind back the system clock pre-bomb and restore any of your backups, even the most recent, then copy the data off. Or your restore your backups and then delete the infected files before you try and execute them. What's the problem?
    2. Re:Other way around by profplump · · Score: 1

      Now you've learned the importance of archiving, in addition to backups.

    3. Re:Other way around by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      So this is a problem, but at least you should still be able to run some sort of cleaning script on those backups.

      --
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    4. Re:Other way around by lordSaurontheGreat · · Score: 1

      When shit hits the fan, it has a tendency to spray everywhere.

      When a virus hit your computer, it sprayed all over your backups.

      Misfortune is all the same, no matter what incarnation it is taking in your life.

      --
      Consider yourself spoken to.
  42. NASA, is that you ? by DrYak · · Score: 1

    Although, you have to admit, retrieving your backup tapes from the Phoenix Lander is going to be a tad more expensive than the usual backup plans. More so if civilisation on earth has collapsed.

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  43. recuperating by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

    Where's Jack Bauer when you need him ???

    Recovering from post traumatic stress disorder, a number of wounds, and radiation poisoning.

    --
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  44. Slightly offtopic... origins of the IP address by New_Age_Reform_Act · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The article mentioned that despite the IP addresses of the email are from China, the fact is the people behind the GPcode campaign are Russian. That makes me wonder that how many computers in China has been turned into Russian zombies. That may well explain the reason why most attacks against U.S. Government networks are originated in China.

    --
    "The New Age. The New Beginning."
    1. Re:Slightly offtopic... origins of the IP address by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is great economic ties between China and the United States. There is VERY LITTLE economic ties between Russia and the U.S. China can't afford to screw up U.S. networks like that, given the stakes involved politically and economically. Chances are that the Russians, feel that the Chinese booming economy is a threat, decide to do things like these to destroy the relations between U.S. and China.

  45. RC4 is easier... by Panaflex · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Why waste time factoring RSA?? The RSA simply wraps an RC4 key.

    RC4 brute force is far easier. There are several known problems with RC4 which may possibly work to our advantage in cracking the data as well..

    --
    I said no... but I missed and it came out yes.
    1. Re:RC4 is easier... by mea37 · · Score: 1

      And that will give you the solution for one user, since the RC4 keys are generated randomly on a per-attack basis.

    2. Re:RC4 is easier... by Panaflex · · Score: 1

      Exactly... unless we're talking millions of infections here - why should we all pitch in for this?

      Breaking an RC4 key may be "fairly simple" if they reused the same initialization or encrypted a lot of data.

      After all - this is the same algorithm in WPA v1 that everyone moans about being insecure, n'est pas?

      --
      I said no... but I missed and it came out yes.
    3. Re:RC4 is easier... by burris · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Much more promising is the possibility of a lack of entropy in the key selection process. Without a lot of entropy and a good RNG, the size of the probable keyspace may be reduced dramatically. Enough that searching all probable keys may quite feasible, even trivial.

  46. Re:track down the people who wrote the virus and f by dave420 · · Score: 1

    I don't know, but I bet there's a lady chained to a radiator, crying, somewhere near by.

  47. Kneecaps... by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

    It would be far more energy efficient to find the perp and lightly tap his kneecaps with a hatchet from the local hardware store...

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  48. Most have a GPL equivalent. Most. by tepples · · Score: 2, Insightful

    but most of them have a GPL equivalent in GNU/Linux "Most" is the key word. There are a lot of users who have fewer than a half-dozen applications and games that keep them on Windows. For some people, it's recent Photoshop or Flash. For others, it's some Direct3D game that doesn't work in Wine. For others, it's the driver for a flatbed scanner.
    1. Re:Most have a GPL equivalent. Most. by Schadrach · · Score: 1

      Oh, god. We've got a large-format scanner at my place of employment that is currently out of use because the Win95 box it was installed on died, the driver disc went missing in a move, and the manufacturer charges an arm and a leg for drivers (even more for driver for XP/2k as opposed to Win95).

    2. Re:Most have a GPL equivalent. Most. by PitaBred · · Score: 1

      No chance it's supported under Linux? My old flatbed scanner works great under Linux, not even sure if it has WinXP drivers, much less Vista.

    3. Re:Most have a GPL equivalent. Most. by tepples · · Score: 1

      No chance it's supported under Linux? My years-old ScanMaker 4850 works fine under Windows 2000 and Windows XP. But SANE still lists it as unsupported, and Microtek won't answer my e-mails.
  49. Re:Most Likely to Not Use it and to Pay. by Penguinisto · · Score: 4, Funny
    Twitter - as someone who helps do backups for (insert huge corp here) there's no other way to say this, but... you're an idiot. For the newer folks among us, I'll happily explain why.



    Enterprise-level backup apps are almost always 3rd-party, not "some kind of unreliable M$ thing". Any serious solution also has a means to restore to bare metal, so in effect you need no OS at all to do this.


    (and when was the last time anybody kept any current work on a floppy? Cripes - 1992 called and they want their backup devices back).

    /P

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  50. that padlock coprocessor thing from via C7 by Z80a · · Score: 1

    cant that be used to bruteforce that keys MUCH faster? i mean,from what i read its like.. 20 times faster than a regular pc cpu

    1. Re:that padlock coprocessor thing from via C7 by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      The encryption coprocessor on VIA CPUs is for encrypting things faster, not decrypting them faster.

  51. World record by Argilo · · Score: 1

    Factoring a 1024-bit RSA modulus would be a major achievement. The current record seems to be 663 bits.

  52. Re:Most Likely to Not Use it and to Pay. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    2008 called. They said lots of people these days keep important documents on USB keys which are often multiple gigabytes in size and work for emergency backups/transfers just fine for ordinary folks with ordinary amounts of data.

  53. track down the people... by Ngarrang · · Score: 1

    "...track down the people who wrote the virus and force them to talk."

    Or, more likely, beat them within an inch of their life, break their fingers, cut off their toes...then ask them for the key or else you will get really nasty.

    These geeks aren't going to fear the results of their actions until they begin seeing their cohorts disappearing without a trace or being put on display as an example to the others.

    --
    Bearded Dragon
    1. Re:track down the people... by Fnord666 · · Score: 1

      Or, more likely, beat them within an inch of their life, break their fingers, cut off their toes...then ask them for the key or else you will get really nasty.
      That certainly gives "brute force attack" a whole new meaning anyway.
      --
      'The tyrant will always find pretext for his tyranny.' - Aesop's Fables
  54. A third method... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... Or people could just back up their data regularly to minimize any effect such a virus would have...?

  55. I'm all for forcing them to talk by Minwee · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Given the choice between fifteen million CPU years spent breaking keys and about ten minutes of breaking fingers, it seems pretty clear which one is more efficient.

  56. Root certs should use >1024 bit by MadMidnightBomber · · Score: 1

    Frankly, I'd be deploying 4096 bit - it's not like verifying the signature every now and then is going to bring the Internet to its knees.

    --
    "It doesn't cost enough, and it makes too much sense."
  57. Yeah like I saw on TV by anpe · · Score: 1

    Besides, there's a more direct method of breaking the encryption: track down the people who wrote the virus and force them to talk.
    You, sir, need to stop watching 24

  58. follow the money! by aikodude · · Score: 0

    you'd think some enterprising spy agency could follow the money and arrest the dorks who wrote this thing... in the meantime, backup your important stuff!

  59. Lay off -stan - he's a nice guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    -really!

  60. Chinese Government by Bryansix · · Score: 1

    Uhm, since nobody else cared to mention it. Why don't we pressure the Chinese Government to get involved. Like maybe go to the site where that email server is sitting and gain access to the computer and track down the real IP of the people sending the emails. Then go to their homes and arrest them. Then after beating them sufficiently, extradite them from country to country to be put on trial. Force the private key out of them and force them to disclose the rest of the people involved in the scheme.

  61. Re:Die! Die! Die! by DamnStupidElf · · Score: 2, Funny

    Track them down and kill them.

    You should probably get the private key from them first.

  62. That works, if your follow it all the time. by khasim · · Score: 1

    The problem with that is that if you didn't do it at the beginning ... and before/after every update ...

    And anyone organized enough to do it at the beginning and prior to every update is organized enough to not need to do it.

    1. Re:That works, if your follow it all the time. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      The issue to me is that the windows registry gets crapped up over time anyway. There's no way to know which crap you need. If some other program made a change you need (e.g. registered a shared component) and you don't install that autopackage (to use terminology which was current at Tivoli when I worked there, sorry) then the program won't work anyway.

      Ultimately, the solution is not to put band-aids on windows, but to stop running it. I know that's not always easy, but it is always rewarding.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
  63. I found the encryption sequence! by bornyesterday · · Score: 2, Funny

    It took me a bit of work, but I think I got it. Can someone double check my work? This is the key that I came up with:

    09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0

    1. Re:I found the encryption sequence! by Kyokushi · · Score: 1

      oh shi-so the virus was from MPAA, and they just re-encrypt their movies? That means kaspersky labs violates DMCA! Send them the letters!

  64. Attack the RNG by DamnStupidElf · · Score: 1

    That's where many weaknesses in cryptographic software have been found. With any luck the virus writers just borrowed the encryption code out of OpenSSL in the Debian tree.

  65. I call bullshit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Set your clock back, restore from backups, transfer your data while the virus is "dormant", wipe the machine and restore.

    Clearly you were able to access your data during the dormant phase, or you'd have noticed the virus sooner.

  66. a more direct method .. by rs232 · · Score: 1

    "a more direct method of breaking the encryption: track down the people who wrote the virus and force them to talk."

    How about tracking down the people behind the Operating System and holding them to account.

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    1. Re:a more direct method .. by ulash · · Score: 1

      Or the people behind the tubes...

    2. Re:a more direct method .. by rs232 · · Score: 1

      "Or the people behind the tubes..."

      The people running the tubes aren't responsible for some URL taking control of 'my computer' and sending my credit card details to where-ever ..

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  67. Re:Most Likely to Not Use it and to Pay. by dedazo · · Score: 1

    Corporate users are the target [...] but know it's some kind of unreliable M$ thing

    I've never seen a company that uses an "M$" thing, reliable or not, mostly because the built-in backup tool in Windows has always sucked for everything other than simple personal archiving. I use it to back up my "home" directory to an external USB drive (not a floppy, those are not in use anymore), but it's less than 10GB.

    There are hundreds of pro backup solutions for Windows that range from the more advanced (or simple to use) personal, to small/mid-size business and enterprise (think the massive EMC2/SAN solutions here for example). Local or remote/network, with or without schedulers, agents and so on. It's quite the active niche for many companies. If "M$" added something actually usable to Windows no doubt people like you would be at the front of the pack yelling "anti-competitive behavior" anyway.

    I don't understand the rest of your post, sorry. "Many of them will simply pay and wait for their computer to fail some other way" just doesn't make any sense at all.

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  68. Secret Admin Magic by UnderCoverPenguin · · Score: 1

    (I actually did this once. Surprisingly, it worked. YMMV)

    1. Plug in portable hard drive (or equall or greater size)
    2. If using NT, Win2000 or XP, tell windows to reformat your *portable* drive as NTFS. (If you're using Vista, I don't think this will work)
    3. Boot from a live CD (or DVD) Linux
    4. Open a command or terminal window
    5. Type: dd if=/dev/sda0 of=/dev/sdb0

    To restore:
    1. Plug in portable hard drive containing the backup
    2. Boot from a live CD (or DVD) Linux
    3. Open a command or terminal window
    4. Type: dd if=/dev/sdb0 of=/dev/sda0

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    Don't try to out wierd me, three-eyes. I get stranger things than you, free with my breakfast cereal. --Zaphod Beeblebr
    1. Re:Secret Admin Magic by hoggoth · · Score: 1

      That completely misses the point.
      Of course I can back up the entire drive by making an image.

      I want to REINSTALL WINDOWS. To clean it the cruft that has collected and slowed it down, or to remove a virus or root-kit.
      Then I want to restore my important applications.

      That cannot be done. I have to reinstall each application by using it's original install disks or exes, one at a time, probably rebooting after each one. Several hours of work instead of several minutes.

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  69. Kaspersky should build this into their antivirus.. by ezh · · Score: 1

    Kaspersky Labs should build this distributed key code into their antivirus products: there is distributed infrastructure for sending/receiving keys with update service and tons of mostly idle PCs! Kaspersky, make this version free or cheaper version than your regular AV product and voila!

  70. Does TFA Summary Make Anyone Else Slightly Nervous by severoon · · Score: 1

    Uhhhhh....let us presume for a moment that the hackers are trying to trick us into factoring a root signing authority's RSA key. Isn't it, like, bad that that's possible?

    But severoon, you protest, in all but the most bizarre circumstances those keys are safe! It takes 15 million computers a year to break that key! No one person could do it!

    Yea, after all, when was the last time the government corralled massive compute power to do something stupid (-ahem- tee off AT&T's web traffic and do deep packet inspection)? And when was the last time we saw a 15 million X increase in compute power (-ahem- since 10 years ago)?

    I no likey this thread...it makes me nervous. I'm going to go drink away the bad thoughts.

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  71. That's a known plaintext attack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's called a "known plaintext" attack. Good crypto isn't vulnerable to those. I don't believe there are any good known plaintext attacks for RSA, but it wouldn't matter because we don't have any *known plaintext* here (unless they have a backup of their files).

    You see, they generate a RANDOM key to encrypt your stuff, then encrypt that with their public key. Because we don't have their private key, we need them to decrypt the random key so you can get your files.

    If you RTFA, you'll see that they're willing to prove that they have the key by decrypting any one file for you before you pay up.

    1. Re:That's a known plaintext attack by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 1

      Your first known-plaintext attack would be against the RC4 key that the RSA key protects ; then you'd have to attack the RSA key.

  72. Re:Most Likely to Not Use it and to Pay. by hachete · · Score: 1

    Is this some kind of clever troll? How is it "interesting"? It reads as twitter had never been inside a SME or larger. Every company I've ever worked for - including a small start-up - had comprehensive backups. My last company wasn't that big and it had 100% disk recovery across all platforms, including Windows, HPUX, IRIX, Linux, classic Mac, Mac OS X.

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  73. Dormant time-bombs by DrYak · · Score: 1

    So you wind back the system clock pre-bomb and restore any of your backups, even the most recent, then copy the data off. That what we did back then.
    Data was safe. The problem was the EXE files. A huge proportion of them was infected. But went unnoticed before the time bomb activates. We had to find install floppy to reinstall all the nuked software.
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  74. Re:Most Likely to Not Use it and to Pay. by hachete · · Score: 1

    lots of companies don't allow USB keys to be used on the premises.

    Corporate users - the ones twitter references - are usually the ones with access to the ultra-reliable backups.

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  75. What a set up... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Must have been encephalitis, right?

    (I'm pro-Linux but I still couldn't resist!)

  76. Re:Most Likely to Not Use it and to Pay. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    2011 called and laughed at your shitty gigglebikes.

  77. Re:Most Likely to Not Use it and to Pay. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > Is this some kind of clever troll?

    Oh no, I assure you he's quite serious. He's never had a real job at a company of any meaningful size, but he considers himself qualified to talk about enterprise backup solutions because he hates Microsoft.

  78. Non trivial cleaning by DrYak · · Score: 1

    Back in the 80s the main OS on PCs was MS-DOS, which wasn't multitasking.

    That meant that most of the malware wasn't worms (autonomous program propagating over the network, as 99.9% of todays malware) because you couldn't run a separate worm process in the background.
    Instead the malwares were of the viral kind, which piggybacked on legit executables, by injecting it's own code inside the .EXE/.COM file, thus being executed each time an infected file was ran and ending up being constantly run even if there weren't autostart and/or multitasking facility in MS-DOS.

    Some times the code injection would fail and the executable would stop functioning thus revealing the presence of virus even before the virus manage to do something.
    Some times the code injection would succeed and the virus would stay unnoticed until its payload kicked in.
    Similarly, cleaning an infected EXE file was not guaranteed to succeed all the time. So generally once a PC was infected, it meant that all the infected programs were definitely hosed except a couple few lucky who went the whole infect/clean process without being damaged.

    What was worse, the first time we had a virus infection, the payload was able to physically damage the hard drive but otherwise remain silent (no taunts displayed on the screen, no EXE becoming suddenly suspiciously corrupted), so we went through a couple of warranty claims before realising that there was a virus sleeping even in the old backups.

    That would have been a nice lesson about systematically scanning all incoming floppies and keeping one's antivirus pattern files up to date... ...except the whole point was moot at a time when "sneaker net" was the only way to communicate between computers and getting a recent antivirus was hard.
    I was the only kid around having an antivirus so I didn't have anybody to swap patterns with.

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  79. Re:Does TFA Summary Make Anyone Else Slightly Nerv by mollymoo · · Score: 1

    Uhhhhh....let us presume for a moment that the hackers are trying to trick us into factoring a root signing authority's RSA key. Isn't it, like, bad that that's possible?

    Security only needs to be good enough that the cost of breaking it is more than the reward of breaking it. Could you expect to make the hundreds of millions of dollars it would cost to have 15 million modern PCs running for a year from knowing a root signing authority's key? I doubt it and the signing authorities must doubt it too, or they'd be using more bits.

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  80. Windows Admin secret magic by symbolset · · Score: 1

    Do I just not know some Windows Admin secret magic, or is it true that I really can't back up my applications. I'd like to be able to reinstall Windows and then restore all of my applications.

    I wrote about it here years ago. It's called incremental imaging. I covered it in my journal. It works.

    Basically during a very careful system build you make a series of snapshot images of the system. If you do the steps in the right order and label your images correctly you can restore your system to any point that you saved in the system building process. It's much preferable to revert to an image that didn't contain a software package and install the new version than to uninstall the old version and install the new. These days building the whole thing in a virtual machine is also a common recommendation. It makes the snapshots quick and easy and virtual machines can be moved from any platform that supports that style of virtual machine to any other without reinstallation. Do pay attention to your licensing though.

    If you're hoping for a system where you can take a Windows installation and run one restore that adds back to it all your applications, no you can't do that unless you have a system snapshot with backup software and a "differential backup" with all your software installed. I don't recommend this because the slightest missed trick and applications will fail inexplicably.

    Basically my opinion is that if you're restoring applications from backup you've already horribly failed. You're better off with a clean image and/or a clean install for reliable performance. And by reliable performance I mean best replicating the environment that ended with you restoring in the first place. If you're rebuilding for some reason other than catastrophic hardware failure or platform migration your efforts might be better spent in a total rethink of why you're doing what you're doing and how.

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  81. Re:track down the people who wrote the virus and f by Oloryn · · Score: 1

    I think this is more a job for Nikita. Time to create a new section.

  82. Re:Most Likely to Not Use it and to Pay. by khellendros1984 · · Score: 1

    Twitter (and his many aliases) is a well-known troll, and takes every opportunity to talk about how terrible anything having to do (even remotely) with Microsoft is. As an example:
    http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=562692&cid=23524480

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  83. System builders use a tool by symbolset · · Score: 1

    It's an installation packager or package builder. It monitors all of these things for you and builds a script that basically replicates the installation.

    I've tried several and my experience is so spotty that I can't recommend one. There are issues with interdependent packages, user account issues, variability in platforms and auditability of success among other things.

    Still, they can be useful sometimes and can get around installer stupidness like only installing from CD or floppy, multi-reboot installs and building a single installer that installs almost all of your apps. Developing a process like this for an enterprise is at least one full time job. For a household or small business it's just not worth the effort.

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  84. Way to go, jerkwads by HonestButCurious · · Score: 1

    I tried to download the encrypted files from the Kaspersky forum.

    It required a log-in.

    I used a bugmenot.com login(obviously).

    Result: my IP got banninated until 19.11.2009

    I'm vain enough to consider myself a "crypto expert", and that sort of treatment is a turnoff. Kaspersky, either learn to respect my privacy or learn to live without me.

  85. Delay line memory by polymath69 · · Score: 1

    I backup my data IN SPACE - I transmit to a satellite 5 light years away, I'll be a able to restore in 10 years when the transmission gets reflected back to earth.

    AC jokes, but that's awfully close to how some early computer memory actually worked.

    Delay Line Memory, it was called. Basically, you push bits onto a wire loop, and then when they come back around again on the guitar you read them and push them back on again.

    That said, the seek time on your version is awful...

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  86. Overview of public-key encryption concepts by ciaran.mchale · · Score: 1

    Some readers may be having difficulty understanding some of the discussion of this article because they don't understand the concept of public-key encryption. Such readers can find a simple-to-understand overview on my website. The overview is a presentation (available in PowerPoint and PDF formats) that should be self-teachable. It has an open-source license, so feel free to reuse and modify it.

  87. Re:Most Likely to Not Use it and to Pay. by HJED · · Score: 1

    I have a friend who uses a floppy. so sad :-(

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  88. Defeat Khazar Jew Supremacist influence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Remeber, modern the Jews are from Russia. That explains all the trouble happening in this world...

    The Blessed Virgin vs. the Khazar Jew Supremacists
    The second part of the Secret of Fatima may hold an incredible mystery that to date has escaped the understanding of the Fatima specialists.
    Three times Our Lady explicitly mentioned Russia in Her Secret, but are we really sure we know exactly what She intended by such a specific and ostensibly straightforward reference? Was She simply referring to territorial Russia, that part of the world which became the first victim of the satanic political conspiracy known as Communism, or did She have another object in mind?

    Our contention is that Russia is to be understood not only literally (territorial Russia), but also symbolically (mystical Russia). And, furthermore, that the symbolic meaning is primary in this Message.

    Now, by mystical Russia we refer to the Khazar Jew conspiratorial elite, whose forebears originally hailed from the Kingdom of Khazaria in the steppes of Russia. Beginning in the 10th century A.D., they spread out into Poland, and thence throughout Europe and the rest of the world. This diaspora was so extensive that today the overwhelming majority of those who call themselves Jews are not Semites at all, but Caucasians, aka Ashkenazim Jews, from Khazar Russia. Read Arthur Koestler's The Thirteenth Tribe to learn more about their true racial background (which they are naturally very keen to conceal). For reviews and further information about this book, first published in Britain in 1976, click here.

    This delusional, Luciferian, Khazar Jewish, supremacist sect, chief amongst which figures the Rothschild dynasty, have succumbed to Satan's primordial lie that it is in his gift to make them god-like rulers of the world. Currently, it is true, they have cryptocratic control over almost every "civilised" government in the world, and they hope shortly to impose an open, antichristic New World Order that will replace all vestiges of Christendom.

    (Note, however, that the majority of ordinary Jews have little if any knowledge of the existence and criminal intentions of this conspiratorial elite. This is true even for hardened Zionists.)

    Below we provide ten arguments in support of our contention that Our Lady was primarily referring to this mystical Russia rather than territorial Russia in the second part of the now famous Secret that She revealed on July 13, 1917, in Fatima, Portugal.

    * Almost all the top Illuminati claim to be Jews. And yet, as we have seen, they are not Semites at all. They must trace their ancestry back, not to Palestine, but to the Russian kingdom of Khazaria, which converted en masse to Judaism in 740 A.D. (This means that the term anti-Semitism applied to those who expose their nefarious practices is a nonsense smear.)

    * Just as God refused to hallow by the name of Jew those who in reality are "members of the synagogue of Satan" (Apocalypse 2:9), so Our Lady does likewise. She refers to them as Russia, thus exploding their delusional racial pretensions and confirming their non-Semitic origin.

    * Although territorial Russia may have helped to spread throughout the world the errors and persecutions prophesied by Our Lady, it would be more correct to regard her as the victim rather than the agent of these errors and persecutions. Holy Russia was as though possessed by these satanic errors which came to her largely from outside her borders.

    * The Bolshevik Revolution and the satanic political deception of Communism were stage-managed and paid for by the Khaz

  89. Can't this be honeypotted? Re:Seems rather by mrmeval · · Score: 1

    Would a properly backed up file allow you to recover the key? Would it then be possible to run a honey pot and checking it for encrypted files?

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  90. The attacker could also just encrypt it twice by topace3 · · Score: 1

    That would give an exponential gain in the cpu time it takes to break it, right?
    15M^2=2.25*10^14.
    Shouln't be that hard to implement either.

  91. Re:Does TFA Summary Make Anyone Else Slightly Nerv by severoon · · Score: 1

    Normally, I'm all for responding after reading just the headline and not the body of the message. After all, this is /.!

    But if you had read the actual content of my post, neither example I present requires the key breaker to make hundreds of millions of dollars from breaking the key.

    First up, we have the government, which specializes in spending hundreds of millions of dollars, not making it, and they'll drop that much cash in a heartbeat, without much research, and on fairly stupid things (Bridge to Nowhere, anyone?).

    Next up, we have everyone else. In 5 years, "millions" of computers will have fallen to "thousands". And the cost of compute cycles will have fallen significantly as well, meaning that anyone who understands how to deploy to Amazon's EC2 or Google's App Engine could easily mount such an attack with fairly modest resources.

    Your point about signing authorities using more bits is exactly the heart of the issue. They're not allowed to use more bits—my understanding is that data encrypted with more than 56-bits may not cross in or out of the US (though I seem to remember this has been raised to 128 or 256?), and more than 1024 even within the country is not legal. Actually, I can't even remember if this law was eventually struck down altogether...but the fact that it ever was even suggested makes me wonder exactly why the government would concern itself with restricting and/or regulating such things.

    Why, indeed.

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  92. Re:Does TFA Summary Make Anyone Else Slightly Nerv by arminw · · Score: 1

    ....a 15 million X increase in compute power....

    Is not really needed for this. Just find the culprit(s) and use the rubber hose decryption key on him/them.

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  93. Re:Most Likely to Not Use it and to Pay. by devilspgd · · Score: 1

    Right click, restore previous versions, pick the right date, problem solved.

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  94. Re:Does TFA Summary Make Anyone Else Slightly Nerv by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Assuming this is what they are trying to achieve, I suppose they are hoping that someone has a whole load of large primes already found, then, assuming that the two primes used are fairly close to each other, the search space will be much smaller, and the amount of computer time would be greatly reduced. Although we can hope that no Eve has such a list of primes, it would not be surprising if someone does.

  95. Re:Most Likely to Not Use it and to Pay. by fm6 · · Score: 1

    Enterprise-level backup apps are almost always 3rd-party, not "some kind of unreliable M$ thing". Ah, but they run on Windows, right? Thus they are fatally tainted by Redmond Uncoolness.

  96. Re:Most Likely to Not Use it and to Pay. by kesuki · · Score: 1

    I'm not a business owner, but i am paranoid, especially about computer viruses.

    I've got a nice approach right now to always keep my drives clean. it's an old IDE hdd, that has a clean install of windows with just the basics. it happens to be a maxtor, so i can use the 'max blast' software. seagate owns maxtor now, though and seagate has the same nice drive utility suite. most HDD vendors offer a comparable suite. but, since i am paranoid, i don't use these 'windows' solutions to purge a drive. i use darik's boot and nuke.

    as for where i keep my valuable data? dvd-roms, and possibly on a usb HDD, in the event that i even think an infection has taken place, i dump all my data to a linux drive, format every windows drive, including the USB one i use for backups when a dvd-rom isn't enough.

    the usb drive never sees a windows system that is connected to the net, and i use separate windows drives, for playing online games, and for playing movies/backing up dvds. the dvd system is never on the net either. for a while i was using diff, and linux to verify my system wasn't being compromised, but that takes a lot of disc space, especially if you keep all the old files, and it doesn't scan problems that can occur within the NTFS itself, there is a program called ntfs clone for linux that can check the metadata for infections, but with my new ability to wipe my system clean within 30 minutes, tops and then only have to configure a few things i left unconfigured...

    well, it may not be as impressive a system as what 'enterprise' users use, but i can clean a system, even wipe it's bios, (i've had to do that before, when a system was rooted for a long time) without using anything microsoft based... the only problem, is vista, vista needs it's CD/DVD media when it's been copied by HDD utilities.

    that will be annoying, but knowing that at any given moment i can clean my systems completely, without hackers being able to stop me, is something i really needed to have, even medicated.

  97. Re:Most Likely to Not Use it and to Pay. by Penguinisto · · Score: 1

    Actually, not necessarily. Veritas Netbackup (as a typical commercial solution) and Bacula (as a pure GPL solution) can run on Windows or Linux as the server(or in Bacula's case, IIRC even on OSX).

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  98. Re:Most Likely to Not Use it and to Pay. by fm6 · · Score: 1

    It doesn't matter what the backup software can run on. The typical corporate desktop is still Windows, so the client side of the backup solution has to run on Windows.