the only way this would work from a security stand point would be to make the information that is spread out over 50 or so computers not accessible from the machine its hosted in on
Isn't this what freenet does by encrypting all the data that is stored on your machine but not telling you the key to unencrypt the data on your machine?
Hehe, yeah but mtv2 is crappy compressed digital tv so the quality of the audio is even worse than mp3.
Still, at least digital tv doesn't contain any spyware...
Yet!
But wouldn't a wider range of music available for sampling on digital tv (and digital radio) encourage more CD sales and perhaps more people going to gigs?
Looks to me like Microsoft is getting far more than LAP out of this deal:
Hotmail will still tell you to get a Passport logon, no-one will tell you to get a liberty alliance logon. So MS still gets the majority of the customers.
Added to this, MS gets your information free from liberty alliance, so the obsessive geeks who just had to go with the minority service are still giving all their information to MS, so they get marketing info for even more people, basically at no cost to them.
Whereas liberty alliance gets.. nothing really. Maybe some people who wouldn't otherwise sign up will now that their logon works with Hotmail. But not many. Out of the 1% of the population that knows Liberty Alliance exists, 50% won't be signing up for either system if they can avoid it, because they understand the stupidity of the idea security-wise, and 90% of the people who do are signing up just because they don't like MS, so the added ability to use Hotmail is not going to make any difference.
I'm going to copyright a silence one minute long, so now every 11th November you can no longer pay your respects to those who died in the war without first writing to me for permission.
Yeah, but the probing techniques are patented, so the FBI can't use them without permission anyway. So long as BayTSP are charging a reasonable fee (which is, whatever the FBI is prepared to pay), they don't really have an option;)
I do find it very peculiar how the DMCA is a part of criminal law, when AFAIK the rest of copyright law is traditionally civil law, so prior to the DMCA you could be sued for damages but not put in prison for breaching a copyright. (Usual IANAL disclaimer)
1. Best to re-rip if you can, but $ lame --mp3input --ogg infile.mp3 outfile.ogg
You need ogg libraries installed i think for this to work. Get lame from
http://www.mp3dev.org/mp3/download/download.html
2. Matter of taste, try them out for yourself, XMMS (Linux), Freeamp(Win/Lin), haven't found an ogg player native for mac yet.
3. None (yet), get a minidisc player/recorder, they sound better, you get basically unlimited storage, the battery life is pretty damn good and you can bootleg gigs.
This would mean that the libraries could be included in proprietary software, *but* MS couldn't take the library and add in DRM, etc, at the request of Hollywood. Of course, Microsoft can still fiddle with the library if its LGPL, but they have to release their changes, so the free players could support MS's altered or crippled codec if necessary.
With a BSD license, any closed-source company (especially MS, because they have a monopoly on internet browsers and media players), could hijack the codec and turn it into another RealAudio (if everyone has Windows Media Player, which refuses to play un-crippled vp3's, all the media providers on the web will have to use the proprietary version of the codec and we're back to square one). BSD is not a free software license and I would never deliberately contribute code to a BSD project.
Chroot apps are heavily scrutinized for security issues...
I thought using chroot was a damage limitation method? I don't understand how isolating a program from the rest of my system is dangerous to the system;)
I don't know for sure about the exact terms of the DMCA, but CD-Burners and Photocopiers don't circumvent any kind of copy protection technology, the whole point of the copy protection on music CDs is to stop CD burners copying them, so thats why they can't be banned.
That said, the existing cases of the eBook reader and DeCSS clearly were designed to circumvent technology, so you may be right.
All in all, I think it was a humorous comment and I don't think anyone expects markers and post-it notes to get banned.
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The reason why patents are bad is provided in the GPL. It states, effectively, that software that is patented basically cannot be included in free software. The problem is, when we say software, we're not talking about actual code for doing something, we mean the algorithm or process that the software performs. Correct me if I'm wrong (you're the lawyer) but this is what gets patented.
An example is the story that at one time, I'm sure if its still there, was mentioned on the FSF site in an article along the lines of "boycott amazon". Apparently, amazon.com patented an e-business process the allows the server to store customer information via cookies on the customers hard disk, allowing a "one-click" ordering process. The problem is two-fold:
a) This process is so obvious they really can't claim it's worth 17 years of patent protection, but (again you're the lawyer) I don't know if patents can be invalid on the grounds that they're bleedin' obvious, there was that story that someone patented swinging sideways on a swing.
b) You can't make a free software system do the same thing without paying amazon royalties, but this can't be done within the limitations of the GPL, because when you obtain a piece of GPL's software, you should have the right to copy and pass it on freely, but this contradicts the patent, which insists that you have permission from amazon before you pass it on. The same problem arose with the GIF image format patent - it is still AFAIK impossible to make a free as in GPL GIF encoder.
And that is why patents are unpopular with free software advocates.
I have a friend who will copy a DVD onto VHS for you, its called buying a DVD play and a VCR machine, play the film on the DVD player and press record on the VCR, it sounds complicated I know but you get the hang of it.
Not creating the software license and movement that made it all possible.
I agree that I'm not sure that Linus was ever so vehemently for Linux as a name (he preferred "freax", as the story goes, I believe). I don't think it's an ego thing on behalf of either party.
However, Linux couldn't have made it this far without the GPL and tools like GCC and GDB. Imagine instead of just using GCC Linus insisted that every kernel developer go and buy Intel's ICC compiler (I don't know how much it costs, but I assume in the $1000s), just because it had some neat extension he wanted to use.
Forcing developers to use non-free software like bitkeeper is counter-productive, because whether you like it or not, there are some very intelligent coders who will be put off hacking the kernel source because they have to use non-free software to do so.
I don't blame Linus for not starting the Free Software Movement himself, he's much younger that Stallman, but I don't think in a million years he would have done what Stallman did to make the Linux kernel project possible.
As an aside I have never had personal dealings with either RMS or Linus, nor do I have any special dislike of Linus, I just think if free software got the project so far, why ditch it now?
I'm not sure why I would want to install freenet on my system. From what I understand, basically I'm expected to download and install this software and give a certain amount of my own bandwidth and disk space over to the network. I have no way of knowing what's stored on my hard disk and being downloaded from me. I've peered through a key list for freenet and it seems most of the data is porn. You might accuse me of being alarmist but i'm fairly confident a good amount of that will be illegal porn (underage, etc) otherwise it would be on the web somewhere.
So now I've paid money to buy bandwidth and disk space to set up a porn server, and I'm not even getting ad revenues.
As for protecting speach, couldn't a government just make the freenet software itself illegal if it wanted to?
I can't see it really catching on - apart from a few paranoid "lone gunmen" types and comic book store guy, who's it going to appeal to?
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the only way this would work from a security stand point would be to make the information that is spread out over 50 or so computers not accessible from the machine its hosted in on
Isn't this what freenet does by encrypting all the data that is stored on your machine but not telling you the key to unencrypt the data on your machine?
Hehe, yeah but mtv2 is crappy compressed digital tv so the quality of the audio is even worse than mp3.
Still, at least digital tv doesn't contain any spyware...
Yet!
But wouldn't a wider range of music available for sampling on digital tv (and digital radio) encourage more CD sales and perhaps more people going to gigs?
Looks to me like Microsoft is getting far more than LAP out of this deal:
Hotmail will still tell you to get a Passport logon, no-one will tell you to get a liberty alliance logon. So MS still gets the majority of the customers.
Added to this, MS gets your information free from liberty alliance, so the obsessive geeks who just had to go with the minority service are still giving all their information to MS, so they get marketing info for even more people, basically at no cost to them.
Whereas liberty alliance gets.. nothing really. Maybe some people who wouldn't otherwise sign up will now that their logon works with Hotmail. But not many. Out of the 1% of the population that knows Liberty Alliance exists, 50% won't be signing up for either system if they can avoid it, because they understand the stupidity of the idea security-wise, and 90% of the people who do are signing up just because they don't like MS, so the added ability to use Hotmail is not going to make any difference.
I'm going to copyright a silence one minute long, so now every 11th November you can no longer pay your respects to those who died in the war without first writing to me for permission.
Or HTTP Protocol!
:)
This is going to get boring soon
Yeah, but the probing techniques are patented, so the FBI can't use them without permission anyway. So long as BayTSP are charging a reasonable fee (which is, whatever the FBI is prepared to pay), they don't really have an option ;)
I do find it very peculiar how the DMCA is a part of criminal law, when AFAIK the rest of copyright law is traditionally civil law, so prior to the DMCA you could be sued for damages but not put in prison for breaching a copyright. (Usual IANAL disclaimer)
You could always offer subscriptions to get rid of the banners :)
Seriously though, once people have experienced it working they might well be prepared to pay.
Unless its an AC circuit of course, where they normally travel at an average of 0mph. These electricity companies are ripping us off.
In other news, a red double decker bus has gone missing from a depot in Islington, London.
There are reports of a large red object seen rising into the sky by eye-witnesses driving over Waterloo bridge last night.
How many times has this been discussed now? This is nothing that hasn't been said a million times in previous slashdot discussions.
yeah, its nice to see /. editors endorsing karma whoring so blatantly isn't it.
1. Best to re-rip if you can, but
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$ lame --mp3input --ogg infile.mp3 outfile.ogg
You need ogg libraries installed i think for this to work. Get lame from
http://www.mp3dev.org/mp3/download/download.htm
2. Matter of taste, try them out for yourself, XMMS (Linux), Freeamp(Win/Lin), haven't found an ogg player native for mac yet.
3. None (yet), get a minidisc player/recorder, they sound better, you get basically unlimited storage, the battery life is pretty damn good and you can bootleg gigs.
They say we share 99% of our genes with chimpanzees, now it turns out that the 1% thats different makes them immune to AIDS.
Shit luck is an understatement.
Saying banning spam is against the first amendment is like saying marketing companies have a right to phone you up to sell you windows.
The first amendment gives you the right to speak, not to force other people to listen to you.
I think RMS's view would be use the LGPL.
This would mean that the libraries could be included in proprietary software, *but* MS couldn't take the library and add in DRM, etc, at the request of Hollywood. Of course, Microsoft can still fiddle with the library if its LGPL, but they have to release their changes, so the free players could support MS's altered or crippled codec if necessary.
With a BSD license, any closed-source company (especially MS, because they have a monopoly on internet browsers and media players), could hijack the codec and turn it into another RealAudio (if everyone has Windows Media Player, which refuses to play un-crippled vp3's, all the media providers on the web will have to use the proprietary version of the codec and we're back to square one). BSD is not a free software license and I would never deliberately contribute code to a BSD project.
Chroot apps are heavily scrutinized for security issues...
;)
I thought using chroot was a damage limitation method? I don't understand how isolating a program from the rest of my system is dangerous to the system
Nintendo has patented what looks to be the entirity of he N64 console, thus perchance making reverse engineering an N4 illegal-not yet court tested
Why would you reverse engineer it when all the technical specs are freely available from the patent office?
I don't know for sure about the exact terms of the DMCA, but CD-Burners and Photocopiers don't circumvent any kind of copy protection technology, the whole point of the copy protection on music CDs is to stop CD burners copying them, so thats why they can't be banned.
That said, the existing cases of the eBook reader and DeCSS clearly were designed to circumvent technology, so you may be right.
All in all, I think it was a humorous comment and I don't think anyone expects markers and post-it notes to get banned.
The reason why patents are bad is provided in the GPL. It states, effectively, that software that is patented basically cannot be included in free software. The problem is, when we say software, we're not talking about actual code for doing something, we mean the algorithm or process that the software performs. Correct me if I'm wrong (you're the lawyer) but this is what gets patented.
An example is the story that at one time, I'm sure if its still there, was mentioned on the FSF site in an article along the lines of "boycott amazon". Apparently, amazon.com patented an e-business process the allows the server to store customer information via cookies on the customers hard disk, allowing a "one-click" ordering process. The problem is two-fold:
a) This process is so obvious they really can't claim it's worth 17 years of patent protection, but (again you're the lawyer) I don't know if patents can be invalid on the grounds that they're bleedin' obvious, there was that story that someone patented swinging sideways on a swing.
b) You can't make a free software system do the same thing without paying amazon royalties, but this can't be done within the limitations of the GPL, because when you obtain a piece of GPL's software, you should have the right to copy and pass it on freely, but this contradicts the patent, which insists that you have permission from amazon before you pass it on. The same problem arose with the GIF image format patent - it is still AFAIK impossible to make a free as in GPL GIF encoder.
And that is why patents are unpopular with free software advocates.
Regards,
James
I have a friend who will copy a DVD onto VHS for you, its called buying a DVD play and a VCR machine, play the film on the DVD player and press record on the VCR, it sounds complicated I know but you get the hang of it.
Not creating the software license and movement that made it all possible.
I agree that I'm not sure that Linus was ever so vehemently for Linux as a name (he preferred "freax", as the story goes, I believe). I don't think it's an ego thing on behalf of either party.
However, Linux couldn't have made it this far without the GPL and tools like GCC and GDB. Imagine instead of just using GCC Linus insisted that every kernel developer go and buy Intel's ICC compiler (I don't know how much it costs, but I assume in the $1000s), just because it had some neat extension he wanted to use.
Forcing developers to use non-free software like bitkeeper is counter-productive, because whether you like it or not, there are some very intelligent coders who will be put off hacking the kernel source because they have to use non-free software to do so.
I don't blame Linus for not starting the Free Software Movement himself, he's much younger that Stallman, but I don't think in a million years he would have done what Stallman did to make the Linux kernel project possible.
As an aside I have never had personal dealings with either RMS or Linus, nor do I have any special dislike of Linus, I just think if free software got the project so far, why ditch it now?
Regards
James
I'm not sure why I would want to install freenet on my system. From what I understand, basically I'm expected to download and install this software and give a certain amount of my own bandwidth and disk space over to the network. I have no way of knowing what's stored on my hard disk and being downloaded from me. I've peered through a key list for freenet and it seems most of the data is porn. You might accuse me of being alarmist but i'm fairly confident a good amount of that will be illegal porn (underage, etc) otherwise it would be on the web somewhere.
So now I've paid money to buy bandwidth and disk space to set up a porn server, and I'm not even getting ad revenues.
As for protecting speach, couldn't a government just make the freenet software itself illegal if it wanted to?
I can't see it really catching on - apart from a few paranoid "lone gunmen" types and comic book store guy, who's it going to appeal to?
Just a question.
James
it wasn't particularly funny, was it?
surely they could use their time machine in 2076 to go and find out how to travel faster than light in 2100?
The normal pronunciation of the # symbol in the UK is "hash". To me it seems natural to call it C-Hash, which I find funny for some reason.
-- James