Hey, you took the same bio classes that I did!:] Which is my point. We've got geographical isolation in force with AU so there is a high lilkelyhood that the experment may be viable for AU.
I wasn't sure that Jeron knew the limitations of interspecies genetic transfer or the basic methods of fish being introduced into other waterways.
Well, I am looking at the San Francisco Bay as I type.
You are correct about ballast dumping (zebra mussels) in the Great Lakes got there that way). Predatory copepods being introduced into other environs, etc, etc...
However, are there any ships in AU fresh water waterways that take on ballast and travel to other countries where they unoad their ballast?
Keen observation but in this case, I think we might have a nice tidy case og geographical isolation. Of course, ther eis the possibility of a kid bringing one to NZ or soe other freak nature accident that has happened previously - tornados transporting fish and frogs, etc... Highly unlikely though.
Ok. Australia is an island last time I checked. The carp would have to be transported outside of Australia to allow this gene to propogate. Carp are fresh water fish. They die in salt water. Interspecies gene transfer from a fresh water fish to a salt water fish, to the same fresh water species somewhere else is a large stretch of the imagination.
RE: sharks. You seem to be missing the fact that sharks are mostly salt water creatures and you would have to breed fresh water sharks that have a taste for carp.
Fact: by reducing the viable reproductive population of females, a population will crash as the female die out. You need females to grow a population, not males. Still, it would take many years for the carp populations to die out. Carp live for a long time.
Unlike certain other organisms, interspecies gene transfer in fish is not something that happens every day. In weeds, it happens due to bacteria living in the root nodules of the weed and visiting neighboring plants.
I do not know if gene transfer is documented in other organisms like fish but would consider it to have a very low success rate.
I've got two airports. One original and one of the g/b ones.
I also ran a mac as a server (not mail) on the net for 4 years without a hack. OS 9 even.
The airports have decent range and I have tested the g transmission speed as fast as 10 base T or better - up to 3394 Kbps for g/g peer to peer. No foolin. Divide by 10 for b/g or b/b speeds. No foolin. This is way faster than I can connect to the internet but get your connection speed and do the math.
NAT and DHCP work as billed.
Never been hacked so I can't comment about the firewall quality. Maybe that says something.
Password protected and with an external antenna, these are great devices.
You seem to be off base here. Win 98 is supposed to be officially dead as well. But people still use it. I used OS 9 on Sunday and have a SCSI interface laptop running the speedy 8.5. My PC has win 98. My old office machine has 2000.
I do not have data to compare older mac OSes and older win OSes with regards to virus strains and I do not have the data to compare the new versions of each OS similarly. Therefore I can not honestly do a comparison at that depth. The only fair approach I can do is to approach the problem as a whole mac OS vs whole win OS issue. THAT SAID, both OS 9 and OS X have drastically lower numbers of viruses written for them. I'm sure we both agree on that.
You are wrong about macro viruses. A word glossary macro virus can (and has for me) disabled printing and saving for ANY opened word doc. This would definately be a problem for someone running classic on OS X.
Classic is for OS 9. Classis is still supported. You referring to it as a "dead" is incorrect. Apple still supports it through classic. In fact, the company producing Onadyme only has an OS 9 version. "I'm not dead yet".
The pural of virus is viruses in some cases and virii in others. My biology backgorund is showing. I'll tuck it in next time.
Virii = multiple strains. Viruses = more than one of the same strain.
I meant the "collective mac OSes" from day one 'till today since I was comparing mac virii to win virii on the "collective windows OSes".
It would be unfair to compare OS X to all windows versions. There are old macs not running OS X out there as there are old win boxes running 98 & the like.
It would be interesing to compare modern windows OS virii to modern mac OS virii. But I don't know where to start on the win side.
There are virii for mac OS X IF you count the MS word macro viruses. But as you mentioned, I don't know of any OS level viruses for OS X. Wonder if any unix worms might count?
Macs CAN get virii. True. However, I was one of the first ten people in the world to identify the mac WDEF virus in 1990-1991. I've followed the virus trail since 1989 to this day on macs and pcs. I even did virus protection for fortune 500 companies once.
PCs are open holes with regards to virii.
Macs are a dream in this respect. Even the old OS 9 & lesser.
Obscurity DOES play a part. A small part. The win 95/98 verisons of windows that are STILL being used are horrors. The newer versions are much better (Me, 2000, XP) but still, the win computer ships with the doors unlocked and open. And the solutions made to close them are subpar. What if I WANT to email a.exe to a coworker?
I could regail you with tales of the reocurring Scsvr/brasil/ops32 virus at our old office but and all the times our pcs went down but I won't. The time wasted cost us enough.
The original reporter is a bitter man who is upset that the one part of the mac he chooses to address is much better than the same area on the pc and is despirate to "fight back" and say "nyah, nyah, I tooold you" to the mac crowd, painting them as elitist pinkie pointing beret toting espresso drinkers.
We need more rebuttals like the one that started this thread. I know many who claim that "less macs = less mac virii you stooge" without closely examining the situation.
At last check, there were about 60 mac virii. At most 100. How many win virii are there out there? 50 thousand? 60 thousand?
The more the correct message gets published by competent professionals, the less win/mac virii FUD will be going around.
It's not that google is facing ethichal issues fo blocking unlicensed pharmacies, but how do pharmacies who are not licensed get their drug supply from legitimate pharmaceutical companies in the first place and why is there not regulation in place to block this?
Mine is fine and it is from Day 1
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I ordered an iPod a few hours after the first ones were announced in 2001. Still have it. Battery still works fine.
That's a 2 year old iPod for those who are curious.
You might not know this but 3ivx jsut released a 2 pass mp4 encoder on Tuesday. When using the proper settings, 3ivx creates pretty sweet video with good quality/size results.
I know previour reports indicated otherwise but the reviewers didn't use the proper compression settings.
Good example. Turtles are vertebrates like ourselves and it has been showed that most vertebrates (lizards, birds, fish, lawyers) get cancer. Plants don't. I don't think that echinoderms do either. So looking at what causes this long life in the Red Sea Urchin would be the next step. If there were a commonality between what happens in them to prevent the aging and what happens in us to make us age, then we might have something that would apply to longevity in humans.
Look at the factors that affect vertebrate aging. Aming them the telomeres falling off the ends of our DNA, Oxidative damage to cellular structures ala free radicals, etc...
We are VASTLY more complex organisms than echinoderms on the most fundamental levels (bilateral symmetry vs radial) and what holds true for their life forms may not hold true to ours.
FYI, radial vs bilateral symmetry in animals is a very very fundamental distingiushing factor with regards to evolutionary development. A long long long long long long time ago, there may have been a common ancestor for the urchin (an echinoderm) and us (a vertebrate). Symmetry is so fundamental that organisms to not evolve and change their symmetry. This shows that the several hundred million years of evolution that lead to the Humans and Red Sea Urchins of today may indicate that what provides immortality on one may not provide immortality in others.
Start checking for repair mechanisms of the DNA and cellular organelles and telomere length in young and old urchins.
Also, what about cancer? All vertebrates (even dinosaurs) get cancer. Do these echnoderms? The physiology is so vastly different between us and them that many things may not apply.
Safari is horrible with regards to clearing cached items and gobbling up disk space.
I have a gig free on my Ti and after a morning of browsing, it's down to 500Meg. Quitting Safari does not free up this space. Restarting does.
One would expect Safari to be much more well behaved because when the hard drive fills up, other apps often lose their prefs and general hell breaks lose.
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I'd rather see him dead.
Hey, you took the same bio classes that I did! :] Which is my point. We've got geographical isolation in force with AU so there is a high lilkelyhood that the experment may be viable for AU.
I wasn't sure that Jeron knew the limitations of interspecies genetic transfer or the basic methods of fish being introduced into other waterways.
Well, I am looking at the San Francisco Bay as I type.
You are correct about ballast dumping (zebra mussels) in the Great Lakes got there that way). Predatory copepods being introduced into other environs, etc, etc...
However, are there any ships in AU fresh water waterways that take on ballast and travel to other countries where they unoad their ballast?
Keen observation but in this case, I think we might have a nice tidy case og geographical isolation. Of course, ther eis the possibility of a kid bringing one to NZ or soe other freak nature accident that has happened previously - tornados transporting fish and frogs, etc... Highly unlikely though.
Corn and Soy are NOT fish. The mechanism for gene transfer in crops is not present in fish.
Gene transfer is a fascinating concept but some concepts that apply in one type of organism in one type of environment area do not apply in others.
Ok. Australia is an island last time I checked. The carp would have to be transported outside of Australia to allow this gene to propogate. Carp are fresh water fish. They die in salt water. Interspecies gene transfer from a fresh water fish to a salt water fish, to the same fresh water species somewhere else is a large stretch of the imagination.
RE: sharks. You seem to be missing the fact that sharks are mostly salt water creatures and you would have to breed fresh water sharks that have a taste for carp.
Fact: by reducing the viable reproductive population of females, a population will crash as the female die out. You need females to grow a population, not males. Still, it would take many years for the carp populations to die out. Carp live for a long time.
If you've studied population biology, you'll see that this does not work.
10 males and 1 female will product less offspring than 1 male and 10 females.
Basic populations biology.
Jeron, please tell me how this gene will travel among the fresh water and why salt water would stop it??
Unlike certain other organisms, interspecies gene transfer in fish is not something that happens every day. In weeds, it happens due to bacteria living in the root nodules of the weed and visiting neighboring plants.
I do not know if gene transfer is documented in other organisms like fish but would consider it to have a very low success rate.
I've got two airports. One original and one of the g/b ones.
I also ran a mac as a server (not mail) on the net for 4 years without a hack. OS 9 even.
The airports have decent range and I have tested the g transmission speed as fast as 10 base T or better - up to 3394 Kbps for g/g peer to peer. No foolin. Divide by 10 for b/g or b/b speeds. No foolin. This is way faster than I can connect to the internet but get your connection speed and do the math.
NAT and DHCP work as billed.
Never been hacked so I can't comment about the firewall quality. Maybe that says something.
Password protected and with an external antenna, these are great devices.
I'm in SF. Where is your free coffee shop? All the ones in the Marina are for money.
I have an applescript for OS 9 that will speak the names of all unencrypted wireless nodes in the area and indicate good signal.
Slashdot does not let me post the code (BELIEVE ME I tried).
Email me if you with to play with it.
zavpublic at mac.com
That Texas based Armadillo Areospace is listed as a Canadian participant?
The Canadian flag on pg 3 gave them away.
You seem to be off base here. Win 98 is supposed to be officially dead as well. But people still use it. I used OS 9 on Sunday and have a SCSI interface laptop running the speedy 8.5. My PC has win 98. My old office machine has 2000.
I do not have data to compare older mac OSes and older win OSes with regards to virus strains and I do not have the data to compare the new versions of each OS similarly. Therefore I can not honestly do a comparison at that depth. The only fair approach I can do is to approach the problem as a whole mac OS vs whole win OS issue. THAT SAID, both OS 9 and OS X have drastically lower numbers of viruses written for them. I'm sure we both agree on that.
You are wrong about macro viruses. A word glossary macro virus can (and has for me) disabled printing and saving for ANY opened word doc. This would definately be a problem for someone running classic on OS X.
Classic is for OS 9. Classis is still supported. You referring to it as a "dead" is incorrect. Apple still supports it through classic. In fact, the company producing Onadyme only has an OS 9 version. "I'm not dead yet".
The pural of virus is viruses in some cases and virii in others. My biology backgorund is showing. I'll tuck it in next time.
Virii = multiple strains.
Viruses = more than one of the same strain.
At least that's as I was taught in biology.
Cheers,
I meant the "collective mac OSes" from day one 'till today since I was comparing mac virii to win virii on the "collective windows OSes".
It would be unfair to compare OS X to all windows versions. There are old macs not running OS X out there as there are old win boxes running 98 & the like.
It would be interesing to compare modern windows OS virii to modern mac OS virii. But I don't know where to start on the win side.
There are virii for mac OS X IF you count the MS word macro viruses. But as you mentioned, I don't know of any OS level viruses for OS X. Wonder if any unix worms might count?
Macs CAN get virii. True. However, I was one of the first ten people in the world to identify the mac WDEF virus in 1990-1991. I've followed the virus trail since 1989 to this day on macs and pcs. I even did virus protection for fortune 500 companies once.
.exe to a coworker?
PCs are open holes with regards to virii.
Macs are a dream in this respect. Even the old OS 9 & lesser.
Obscurity DOES play a part. A small part. The win 95/98 verisons of windows that are STILL being used are horrors. The newer versions are much better (Me, 2000, XP) but still, the win computer ships with the doors unlocked and open. And the solutions made to close them are subpar. What if I WANT to email a
I could regail you with tales of the reocurring Scsvr/brasil/ops32 virus at our old office but and all the times our pcs went down but I won't. The time wasted cost us enough.
The original reporter is a bitter man who is upset that the one part of the mac he chooses to address is much better than the same area on the pc and is despirate to "fight back" and say "nyah, nyah, I tooold you" to the mac crowd, painting them as elitist pinkie pointing beret toting espresso drinkers.
We need more rebuttals like the one that started this thread. I know many who claim that "less macs = less mac virii you stooge" without closely examining the situation.
At last check, there were about 60 mac virii. At most 100.
How many win virii are there out there? 50 thousand? 60 thousand?
The more the correct message gets published by competent professionals, the less win/mac virii FUD will be going around.
Cheers,
That Valentine research who makes radar detectors also made radar guns that the cops used.
Don't know if they still do it but this was established last century.
It's not that google is facing ethichal issues fo blocking unlicensed pharmacies, but how do pharmacies who are not licensed get their drug supply from legitimate pharmaceutical companies in the first place and why is there not regulation in place to block this?
I ordered an iPod a few hours after the first ones were announced in 2001. Still have it. Battery still works fine.
That's a 2 year old iPod for those who are curious.
You might not know this but 3ivx jsut released a 2 pass mp4 encoder on Tuesday. When using the proper settings, 3ivx creates pretty sweet video with good quality/size results.
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I know previour reports indicated otherwise but the reviewers didn't use the proper compression settings.
They also have an mp2 transcoder called Diva.
Http://www.3ivx.com
http://www.3ivx.com/downlo
Enjoy.
Good example. Turtles are vertebrates like ourselves and it has been showed that most vertebrates (lizards, birds, fish, lawyers) get cancer. Plants don't. I don't think that echinoderms do either. So looking at what causes this long life in the Red Sea Urchin would be the next step. If there were a commonality between what happens in them to prevent the aging and what happens in us to make us age, then we might have something that would apply to longevity in humans.
Nice but that doesn't completely take care of the problem. I've got 467 Meg free now while I had a gig 30 mins ago. Ick.
Um, no.
Look at the factors that affect vertebrate aging. Aming them the telomeres falling off the ends of our DNA, Oxidative damage to cellular structures ala free radicals, etc...
We are VASTLY more complex organisms than echinoderms on the most fundamental levels (bilateral symmetry vs radial) and what holds true for their life forms may not hold true to ours.
FYI, radial vs bilateral symmetry in animals is a very very fundamental distingiushing factor with regards to evolutionary development. A long long long long long long time ago, there may have been a common ancestor for the urchin (an echinoderm) and us (a vertebrate). Symmetry is so fundamental that organisms to not evolve and change their symmetry. This shows that the several hundred million years of evolution that lead to the Humans and Red Sea Urchins of today may indicate that what provides immortality on one may not provide immortality in others.
Start checking for repair mechanisms of the DNA and cellular organelles and telomere length in young and old urchins.
Also, what about cancer? All vertebrates (even dinosaurs) get cancer. Do these echnoderms? The physiology is so vastly different between us and them that many things may not apply.
Safari is horrible with regards to clearing cached items and gobbling up disk space.
I have a gig free on my Ti and after a morning of browsing, it's down to 500Meg. Quitting Safari does not free up this space. Restarting does.
One would expect Safari to be much more well behaved because when the hard drive fills up, other apps often lose their prefs and general hell breaks lose.
REAL PITA.
A neutron bomb.
Leaves infrastructure, removes the living.
Doesn't matter. Swallow wasn't on the list.