This might have been true in the early 90s, however today there are thousands upon thousands of wholly foreign owned businesses operating in China, and since China joining the WTO, the types of businesses that can be 100% foreign owned is growing by the day.
Only in industries where the chinese government sees that there is a national interest in keeping companies majority chinese owned, does this practise continue, the two major industries yet to be deregulated are of course telecommunications and media. Even the banking and finance sector has now allowed foreign institutions to do RMB denominated business.
The reason for this "chinese majority owned" policy is basically related to skills transfer, the government decided that if it allowed wholly foreign owned companies to arrive and compete in the country then chinese workers would not get "skills transfer" as quickly as if they made it a requirement for a JV. That's why in the 90s you see so many horror stories of companies getting screwed by their chinese JV partners, basically the JV partners learned all they could from their foreign partners and then decided to ditch their JV partner. This is the exact aim of the chinese government and the reason why the chinese economy turned into a huge powerhouse overnight.
Nowadays because of this skills transfer, the vast majority of industries are now fully deregulated, there is no reason anymore to require JVs since there are plenty of chinese who can compete on an equal footing with any foreign company in the majority of markets.
I agree. Slashdot is unique because of the community. That community can be moved or rebuilt to another site very easily and quickly.
Not on you life, once slashdot is gone, it will be gone forever. What makes slashdot so great is not the people who post on every single story giving their opinions, it's the people who only post rarely but when they do, they REALLY know the topic area, that's why you can be guaranteed to learn something in every discussion. If slashdot is reduced just to the "regulars", in the event of a rebuilt clone site, the level of groupthink would make the level of discussion monotonous and ultimately uninteresting.
from the article, it mentions that the cheater was so blatant at cheating because they had a personal vendetta to prove to the company about it's flawed security. Basically the cheater told the company that it's systems were vulnerable and they wouldn't listen, so he set out to prove a point to them. Only after basically being so blatant at cheating that people thought he was god, and complained umpteen times to Absolute Poker did they do anything about it.
Basically what this proves is that, there is no way a real cheater will be caught. A real cheater is not going to do things to draw attention to themselves, if they can gain a 100% edge by cheating, they won't press it to it's maximum, they'll only press it slightly so that they only have a 55% edge, time and compounding will make them rich beyond their wildest dreams, and NO ONE will be the wiser.
The thing is, every single wealthy chinese today, the millionaires, the multi-millionaires, the billionaires and even the multi-billionaires, they were ALL just middle class workers 15 years ago. EVERY single personal fortune created was created in the last 15 years. That means that there is no class system, even if you are dirt poor, you have hope that you can break out of it in china today.
Fast forward 20 years from now, when an established class structure happens and the noveau riche of today want to protect that wealth for their progeny, and you'll have a situation where people feel hopeless, THAT is when revolution will happen, what do you think prompted june 4? and the aftermath of june 4 was the biggest growth of any economy in the history of civilisation, coincidence?
China is a long way from revolution, no matter how bad things get.
There is no need to carry on any "postmodern textual analysis". The facts of the case are damning enough, the real astonishment is how thoroughly brainwashed everyone is about what REALLY happened in Tiananmen square.
The chinese people at least know that the government keeps the truth from them so that they are not so trusting of the "facts" of any matter. Most chinese people i talk to about June 4th know that something went on that the government is keeping from them.
Americans on the other hand PASSIONATELY believe that what you have is the truth, of course, because of what YOUR NEWS MEDIA showed you, clips of tanks etc... juxtaposed with sensational headlines and most people are under the impression that it's safe to say that over 1,000 people were killed by fellow Chinamen during this event.
However if you do more research, specifically, interviews with journalists http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Denying _the_Tiananmen_Square_massacre that were in Beijing at the time who vehemently deny the sensationalist "tanks killing students in the square version of events" that the American News Media concocted for the world to see.
Or even read the transcripts done with nearly ALL the student leaders who escaped to America, detailed interviews that cover the entire 2 months of events that led up to June 4th, interviews with Wu Er Kaxi, Wan Dan, etc... NOT ONE of those student leaders put one iota of truth into the "tianmen square massacre" version of events that is so popular "truthiness" today, infact the only student leader who has ever claimed the massacre was student leader Chai Ling, who while making the statement to HK television WAS NOT EVEN IN CHINA on June 4th having fled earlier to escape. So Chai Ling's "eyewitness" account of events to Hong Kong television which was picked up worldwide(guess why? it wouldn't be because it was the most sensational statement that anyone would make(much more exciting than the more mundane statements given anywhere else)), and the eyewitness is not even in the square on the night that it happened.
Chai Ling in her interview with Phillip Cunningham, days before June 4th said the following.
"My fellow students keep asking me, 'What should we do next? What can we accomplish?' I feel so sad, because how can I tell them that what we actually are hoping for is bloodshed, the moment when the government is ready to brazenly butcher the people. Only when the Square is awash with blood will the people of China open their eyes. Only then will they really be united. But how can I explain any of this to my fellow students? "And what is truly sad is that some students, and famous well-connected people, are working hard to help the government, to prevent it from taking such measures. For the sake of their selfish interests and their private dealings they are trying to cause our movement to disintegrate and get us out of the Square before the government becomes so desperate that it takes action.... "That's why I feel so sad, because I can't say all this to my fellow students. I can't tell them straight out that we must use our blood and our lives to wake up the people. Of course, they will be willing. But they are still so young..." [cries] http://www.tsquare.tv/film/Totnost.html
So basically, she is willing to gamble with other people's lives to make a political point while escaping to become the reverred "dissident" that she is today. I wonder who's political textbook she has been reading?
The following quote is from HouDeJian, a taiwanese singer songwriter that penned the anthem for the June4th movement, he raised money in Hongkong for the students and then joined the hunger strike in beijing. Unlike Chai Ling he was at the square on the night and morning of June 4th.
"Some people said that two hundred died in the Square and others clai
I don't buy that. I can say "the Chinese government killed student protesters at Tiananmen Square in 1989." There is no bias in that statement, its just a fact.
I am sorry, that is FULL of BIAS of the worst kind, and the wikipeadia article on the "Tiananmen Square massacre" is fully representative of groupthink bias. The "facts" as you'd like to point out are hidden behind sensational media coverage. In fact there was NO massacre in Tiananmen square, EVERY SINGLE STUDENT LEADER of the student movement in tian an men sqaure(i.e. Wu er Kaxi, Wan DAN, Feng Cong De, HOU DEJIAN etc...) i.e. these people were there on the night of June 4th in the square itself and subsequently locked up. They are on the record(interviewed in the U.S.A either after release or on escape) as saying that there was NO Massacre in tianmen square.
The only student "leader" who says otherwise is the now much reviled Cai Ling, who immediately after the event was on HK television in an interview that was broadcast all over the world saying that "tanks had crushed students while they slept". The problem is of course that Cai Ling was NOT in the square on the night of June 4th, she had fled earlier to HK.
Which is the biggest threat to the leadership's control - as more people get money they start to want to do things with it; and get ideas about how the government should deal with them, as opposed to how the government wants to deal with them. Then, those that haven't enjoyed the economic boon start wanting a piece as well while those that have start getting less willing to see more of their money go to the government to be redistributed.
Yeah, it's not like the people who get rich in China are actually very comfortable part of the system, they want to go and overthrow the government at the first sign that they get a bit of money. I mean who wouldn't want to overthrow the very system that made you rich, been part of the 5% of the population with the connections to make things happen in China. Of course having "democracy" & "freedom" is better than maintaining the hegemony that has produced all the wealth for the top 5% of the population.
This whole middle-class revolution is pure bs from people who do not understand China. Throughout Chinese history, counting on about close to 20 revolutions/dynasty changes, it has ALWAYS been the peasants that have revolted, never the middle class. The idea that the people who have made the most out of the current political and economic systems are going to be the ones to topple it is as ridiculous as thinking that iraqis would welcome an American "liberator".
Most of them know that their government is rotten, and all they need to topple it is to realize that most of their fellow citizens feel the same way.
Not at all, what they need to know is that there is a viable alternative to their government. The chinese are very practical people, they are not going to topple their government if the alternative is anarchy. The only thing chinese people trust less than their government is other chinese people.
If China can effectively whitewash one of the most brutal subjugations of all time
Your post is even more scary than what's going on in china. The chinese people at least know that the government keeps the truth from them so that they are not so trusting of the "facts" of any matter. Most chinese people i talk to about June 4th know that something went on that the government is keeping from them.
You on the other hand PASSIONATELY believe that what you have is the truth, of course, because of what YOUR NEWS MEDIA showed you, clips of tanks etc... juxtaposed with sensational headlines and most people like you are under the impression that it's safe to say that over 1,000 people were killed by fellow Chinamen during this event.
However if you do more research, specifically, interviews with journalists http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Denying _the_Tiananmen_Square_massacre that were in Beijing at the time who vehemently deny the sensationalist "tanks killing students in the square version of events" that the American News Media concocted for the world to see.
Or even read the transcripts done with nearly ALL the student leaders who escaped to America, detailed interviews that cover the entire 2 months of events that led up to June 4th, interviews with Wu Er Kaxi, Wan Dan, etc... NOT ONE of those student leaders put one iota of truth into the "tianmen square massacre" version of events that is so popular "truthiness" today, infact the only student leader who has ever claimed the massacre was student leader Chai Ling, who while making the statement to HK television WAS NOT EVEN IN CHINA on June 4th having fled earlier to escape. So Chai Ling's "eyewitness" account of events to Hong Kong television which was picked up worldwide(guess why? it wouldn't be because it was the most sensational statement that anyone would make(much more exciting than the more mundane statements given anywhere else)), and the eyewitness is not even in the square on the night that it happened.
Chai Ling in her interview with Phillip Cunningham, days before June 4th said the following.
"My fellow students keep asking me, 'What should we do next? What can we accomplish?' I feel so sad, because how can I tell them that what we actually are hoping for is bloodshed, the moment when the government is ready to brazenly butcher the people. Only when the Square is awash with blood will the people of China open their eyes. Only then will they really be united. But how can I explain any of this to my fellow students? "And what is truly sad is that some students, and famous well-connected people, are working hard to help the government, to prevent it from taking such measures. For the sake of their selfish interests and their private dealings they are trying to cause our movement to disintegrate and get us out of the Square before the government becomes so desperate that it takes action.... "That's why I feel so sad, because I can't say all this to my fellow students. I can't tell them straight out that we must use our blood and our lives to wake up the people. Of course, they will be willing. But they are still so young..." [cries]http://www.tsquare.tv/film/Totnost.html
So basically, she is willing to gamble with other people's lives to make a political point while escaping to become the reverred "dissident" that she is today. I wonder who's political textbook she has been reading?
The following quote is from HouDeJian, a taiwanese singer songwriter that penned the anthem for the June4th movement, he raised money in Hongkong for the students and then joined the hunger strike in beijing. Unlike Chai Ling he was at the square on the night and morning of June 4th.
"Some people said that two hundred died in the Square and others claimed that two thousand died. There were also stories of tanks r
Actually, the situation is a lot more complicated than the standard "Chinese government covered up a lot of deaths in tianmen square". People did die, nearly all people who died WERE NOT STUDENTS. In fact some of the chief organisers of the students left the country before the troops moved in, and ADMITTED on camera that in fact, the EXACT OUTCOME which they were hoping for was bloodshed.
China, which has a potential market 5 times the size of the U.S
China only has a potential market 5 times larger if you are selling rice...If you are selling anything else, the POTENTIAL market is exponentially smaller than the U.S...even if you extrapolate out 20 years.
The chinese people has always been about the long term view.
Even though currently in their history, there's a ton of short term upheaval, and decisions made with short term profit motive. Throughout east asian history, the fundamental difference between western and eastern culture is that propensity to take a long term view.
Long term view being multi-generational in east asia, whereas long term view, means 5-10 years in western culture.
So yes, innovation in china is very basic at the present time, but the thing to keep in mind is that they realise that being a manufacturing economy is not sustainable long term, and they are willing to take steps to change. The only other economies in the world which have been able to move from third world to first world status all have that east asian thinking. i.e. singapore, South korea, Japan, etc...
Maybe china won't get there in the next 10 years, but they will get there, and they will surpass the US.
Most of the markets and distributors they speak of is just one peasant carrying around a suitcase with discs in it. Basically, the lowest piece in the totem pole. Compare this to a drug operation, and they basically busted the street pushers.
All the manufacturers and big wholesalers are still in operation, within 2 weeks, things will be back to normal. Things like this happen every couple of months and people are very used to these "crackdowns", usually timed to co-incide with some visit from an international body.
The reality of the situation is that piracy will take a LONG time to stamp out in china.
It is actually a part of chinese culture, chinese consumers rely on pirated discs for their entertainment because the legitimate discs are basically so CRAP, in that the range of programs that you can find on legitimate discs are about 1-2% of the range of programs you can find on pirated discs. Pirated discs are also very convenient, you have distributors in every neighbourhood and the residents in these neighbourhood knows where they are. Whereas finding legitimate discs is a pain in the ass, because the stores are so far and few in between.
Second, because pirating is percieved here as a victimless crime, especially pirating american programming, there is no stigma attached to being a pirate. Therefore it is really easy for local law enforcement to be bribed by the pirates, hence, any crackdown will just get a few peasants making a few dollars per day and will never get the big kahunas in the pirating industry.
Graduates may not get the jobs they'd like, but they are certainly NOT common. See these Unesco figures for the number of students enrolled in tertiary education as a proportion of the tertiary school-age population. In 2002, China's ratio was 16%, compared to 83% for the US, 51% for Japan, for example
Read your own figures, ratios are all very nice and pretty, however multiply those ratios by their repespective countries populations.
ooo, China has 1.3 BILLION people, and it's economy is smaller than that of the UK, where are all the jobs?
American economy is 5 times the size of the chinese one and Japan is twice the size.
American population is 1/5 the size of China, and Japan's is about 1/9.
If you are a poor chinese family, you CANNOT Afford to go to university.
The government in china does not pay for higher education, every single university in china charges the SAME tuition fee for All students, that is 10000RMB, or round about $1250USD.
For an average family in china, this means if you want to send your child to university for 4 years, pretty much spending your entire life savings. Most families are quite glad to do so, becaue of the attitude of chinese towards education.
For the poor family, their child cannot afford to go to university no matter how good their marks are.
Chinese Universities ARE MOST definitely not a meritocracy.
In fact it is probably the most unfair admissions process out of all the countries I have ever seen.
The system is heavily slanted towards major cities such as beijing and shanghai. Each university has a quota system for students from each of the countries provinces. So in US terms, it would be like Harvard having a quota for high school students from each state, so if Harvard takes in 1000 students each year, it would allocate 10 students to texas, 10 students to rhode island, 20 students to california, etc....
Now the problem is that the Major cities in China like beijing and shanghai hold most of the universities, and most of the Top universities in China, such as Peking university, Tsinghua University, FuDan university, etc... And each of those universities allocate a HUGE number of positions to students from it's local municipality.
What this means in reality is that Beijing with a population of 18 million people will end up with like 100,000 university spots per year, and a poor, rural province like AnHui with 50 million people will end up with 5,000 university spots. This is reflected in the entrance marks too.
A university in china does not just have ONE entrance mark, it has multiple entrance marks, one for each province which it accepts students from. This means that it will have a low entrance mark for places like beijing which it allocates the most quota to, and an extremely high entrance mark for places which it has a low quota for, like the previously mentioned anhui province.
In education terms this means that the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, not a MERITOCRACY at all.
The problem is not that there isn't enough schools, the students don't want to go to ust jANY university. The students want to get into the TOP brand name universities, there-in lies the problem. It's a matter of employment, there are literally millions of unemployed university graduates in china, a university degree is the foot in the door for ANY white collar position.
Having a degree from a brand name university if almost the only ticket to a well paying job for most chinese. I mean you go to any office and the LOWEST most UNDERPAID person, usually the office boy will almost certinaly have a bachelors degree. University graduates are so common in china there is just not enough work for all of them. That's why you have to get into a brand name one.
I am in china, and your understanding of the chinese internet and also chinese government strategy is misguided.
Any dissident who is at least marginally persistant will be able to get around the ban, there are many, many ways to get to sites that have the information they want. There is no need for this euphemism tactic at all. The chinese government isn't out to block ALL dissent, since they know that it is impossible.
Their strategy is to stop the dissent from becoming a major MEME in the minds of the chinese population, and all that is needed is to prevent the spread of these dissenting ideas to a SIGNIFICANT % of the population. And to do this some rather simple search engine filtering, a flawed but heavyhanded firewall along with self-censorship in traditional mass media is very adequate.
The chinese understand the history of revolution better than almost any other civilisation, and consequently through the study of history they understand the how what why etc... I mean do you find it amazing that a communist dictatorship is going to become the dominant economy in the world within the next 20 years?
Plagiarism, fake research plague academia By Zhu Zhe (China Daily) Updated: 2006-03-15 05:39
As China marks the World Consumer Rights Day today, the spotlight would inevitably be on poor products and shoddy service.
But attention is also being focused on the rights of a special group of consumers: subscribers or readers of academic journals.
Plagiarism and fake research have become rampant in China, and are eroding people's trust in academia, Ren Yuing, a member of the Councillors' Office of the State Council, told the recent meeting of the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference, the top advisory body.
He cited a recent survey of 180 PhD degree holders, of whom 60 per cent paid to be published in academic journals; and about the same percentage copied others' work.
"The situation exists in almost every well-known Chinese university," He Weifang, a professor at Peking University's law school, told China Daily. He is also an activist in fighting what he called academic corruption.
Some 100 Chinese professors plan to publish an open letter calling for the establishment of a national supervision mechanism to root out academic plagiarism. The move follows a series of academic scandals:
Qiu Xiaoqing, a biomedicine professor at Sichuan University, was last year accused of publishing fraudulent research in the November 2003 issue of Nature Biotechnology.
Zhou Yezhong, a professor at Wuhan University's law school, was last December accused of copying others' work "word for word."
Shen Luwei, an associate professor at Tianjin Foreign Studies University, was removed from his post in January for plagiarizing 10 articles in his book.
He Weifang said he felt obliged to sign the open letter as the problem has been holding back the country's scientific development.
Academic corruption refers to institutions making use of their resources to gain improper income or power; but misconduct, which is often individual, could take different forms such as plagiarism, distorting experiment data and tampering with original work.
The existing evaluation system, which emphasizes the quantity of papers rather than quality, is considered the root cause of academic corruption and misconduct in China ?scholars have to publish a certain number of books or papers before they are promoted.
"One of my colleagues was demoted because he failed to publish two papers in key academic journals a year,?He said. "The situation in other schools is worse.?
Zhang Jianzu, a professor at East China University of Science and Technology, said schools are to blame as they often help cover up misconduct. "Many plagiarists still work as professors despite some scandals,?he said.
Some plagiarists also hold administrative positions in schools.
To curb violations of academic rights, the Ministry of Education announced this month that it planned to set up a national supervision committee.
It will work out detailed rules on criteria and punishment for academic corruption and misconduct, and investigate such cases. The 25-member committee will consist of scholars from academic institutions.
Vice-Minister of Science and Technology Ma Songde also disclosed that the ministry would establish an archive database, including books and papers the ministry published. "If any academic violation is found, the stain will be on record for good,?Ma said.
Academic circles applaud the new policies, but how the committee and database will work has sparked heated discussion.
He Weifang insists that the committee be made up of scholars, and procedures be transparent. "Also, those being accused should have the right to appeal.?
He argues that the ministry's committee cannot replace committees set up by individual schools, as "administrative powers should not i
China's health system makes America's look like a socialist dream.
Don't believe the hype about being a "communist" country, long ago has china abandoned universal healthcare, the situation currently is that the vast majority of chinese are self medicating, the only doctors that most of the population can afford to see are the salespeople who work at the counters of the pharmacies.
China has probably the highest percentage of self-medicated patients in the world.
check out this website, from the company Silex in australia. Silex
quote "While others have demonstrated optical gain at cryogenic temperatures or in amorphous materials that are not usable for today's electronics, Translucent has demonstrated the first room temperature optical gain in semiconductor-grade silicon. This enables optics to tap into the existing electronics and silicon processing infrastructure"
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Tell me the Western company that is making money in China itself.
Nike
Adidas
Every single luxury fashion brand
Audi
Volkswagon
Brand is all important, know how can be copied.
This is FUD.
This might have been true in the early 90s, however today there are thousands upon thousands of wholly foreign owned businesses operating in China, and since China joining the WTO, the types of businesses that can be 100% foreign owned is growing by the day.
Only in industries where the chinese government sees that there is a national interest in keeping companies majority chinese owned, does this practise continue, the two major industries yet to be deregulated are of course telecommunications and media. Even the banking and finance sector has now allowed foreign institutions to do RMB denominated business.
The reason for this "chinese majority owned" policy is basically related to skills transfer, the government decided that if it allowed wholly foreign owned companies to arrive and compete in the country then chinese workers would not get "skills transfer" as quickly as if they made it a requirement for a JV. That's why in the 90s you see so many horror stories of companies getting screwed by their chinese JV partners, basically the JV partners learned all they could from their foreign partners and then decided to ditch their JV partner. This is the exact aim of the chinese government and the reason why the chinese economy turned into a huge powerhouse overnight.
Nowadays because of this skills transfer, the vast majority of industries are now fully deregulated, there is no reason anymore to require JVs since there are plenty of chinese who can compete on an equal footing with any foreign company in the majority of markets.
I agree. Slashdot is unique because of the community. That community can be moved or rebuilt to another site very easily and quickly.
Not on you life, once slashdot is gone, it will be gone forever. What makes slashdot so great is not the people who post on every single story giving their opinions, it's the people who only post rarely but when they do, they REALLY know the topic area, that's why you can be guaranteed to learn something in every discussion. If slashdot is reduced just to the "regulars", in the event of a rebuilt clone site, the level of groupthink would make the level of discussion monotonous and ultimately uninteresting.
This is only the tip of the iceberg.
from the article, it mentions that the cheater was so blatant at cheating because they had a personal vendetta to prove to the company about it's flawed security. Basically the cheater told the company that it's systems were vulnerable and they wouldn't listen, so he set out to prove a point to them. Only after basically being so blatant at cheating that people thought he was god, and complained umpteen times to Absolute Poker did they do anything about it.
Basically what this proves is that, there is no way a real cheater will be caught. A real cheater is not going to do things to draw attention to themselves, if they can gain a 100% edge by cheating, they won't press it to it's maximum, they'll only press it slightly so that they only have a 55% edge, time and compounding will make them rich beyond their wildest dreams, and NO ONE will be the wiser.
There will be no revolt while there is hope.
The thing is, every single wealthy chinese today, the millionaires, the multi-millionaires, the billionaires and even the multi-billionaires, they were ALL just middle class workers 15 years ago. EVERY single personal fortune created was created in the last 15 years. That means that there is no class system, even if you are dirt poor, you have hope that you can break out of it in china today.
Fast forward 20 years from now, when an established class structure happens and the noveau riche of today want to protect that wealth for their progeny, and you'll have a situation where people feel hopeless, THAT is when revolution will happen, what do you think prompted june 4? and the aftermath of june 4 was the biggest growth of any economy in the history of civilisation, coincidence?
China is a long way from revolution, no matter how bad things get.
There is no need to carry on any "postmodern textual analysis". The facts of the case are damning enough, the real astonishment is how thoroughly brainwashed everyone is about what REALLY happened in Tiananmen square.
The chinese people at least know that the government keeps the truth from them so that they are not so trusting of the "facts" of any matter. Most chinese people i talk to about June 4th know that something went on that the government is keeping from them.
Americans on the other hand PASSIONATELY believe that what you have is the truth, of course, because of what YOUR NEWS MEDIA showed you, clips of tanks etc... juxtaposed with sensational headlines and most people are under the impression that it's safe to say that over 1,000 people were killed by fellow Chinamen during this event.
However if you do more research, specifically, interviews with journalists http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Denying _the_Tiananmen_Square_massacre that were in Beijing at the time who vehemently deny the sensationalist "tanks killing students in the square version of events" that the American News Media concocted for the world to see.
Or even read the transcripts done with nearly ALL the student leaders who escaped to America, detailed interviews that cover the entire 2 months of events that led up to June 4th, interviews with Wu Er Kaxi, Wan Dan, etc... NOT ONE of those student leaders put one iota of truth into the "tianmen square massacre" version of events that is so popular "truthiness" today, infact the only student leader who has ever claimed the massacre was student leader Chai Ling, who while making the statement to HK television WAS NOT EVEN IN CHINA on June 4th having fled earlier to escape. So Chai Ling's "eyewitness" account of events to Hong Kong television which was picked up worldwide(guess why? it wouldn't be because it was the most sensational statement that anyone would make(much more exciting than the more mundane statements given anywhere else)), and the eyewitness is not even in the square on the night that it happened.
Chai Ling in her interview with Phillip Cunningham, days before June 4th said the following.
"My fellow students keep asking me, 'What should we do next? What can we accomplish?' I feel so sad, because how can I tell them that what we actually are hoping for is bloodshed, the moment when the government is ready to brazenly butcher the people. Only when the Square is awash with blood will the people of China open their eyes. Only then will they really be united. But how can I explain any of this to my fellow students?
"And what is truly sad is that some students, and famous well-connected people, are working hard to help the government, to prevent it from taking such measures. For the sake of their selfish interests and their private dealings they are trying to cause our movement to disintegrate and get us out of the Square before the government becomes so desperate that it takes action....
"That's why I feel so sad, because I can't say all this to my fellow students. I can't tell them straight out that we must use our blood and our lives to wake up the people. Of course, they will be willing. But they are still so young..." [cries] http://www.tsquare.tv/film/Totnost.html
So basically, she is willing to gamble with other people's lives to make a political point while escaping to become the reverred "dissident" that she is today. I wonder who's political textbook she has been reading?
The following quote is from HouDeJian, a taiwanese singer songwriter that penned the anthem for the June4th movement, he raised money in Hongkong for the students and then joined the hunger strike in beijing. Unlike Chai Ling he was at the square on the night and morning of June 4th.
"Some people said that two hundred died in the Square and others clai
I don't buy that. I can say "the Chinese government killed student protesters at Tiananmen Square in 1989." There is no bias in that statement, its just a fact.
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I am sorry, that is FULL of BIAS of the worst kind, and the wikipeadia article on the "Tiananmen Square massacre" is fully representative of groupthink bias. The "facts" as you'd like to point out are hidden behind sensational media coverage. In fact there was NO massacre in Tiananmen square, EVERY SINGLE STUDENT LEADER of the student movement in tian an men sqaure(i.e. Wu er Kaxi, Wan DAN, Feng Cong De, HOU DEJIAN etc...) i.e. these people were there on the night of June 4th in the square itself and subsequently locked up. They are on the record(interviewed in the U.S.A either after release or on escape) as saying that there was NO Massacre in tianmen square.
The only student "leader" who says otherwise is the now much reviled Cai Ling, who immediately after the event was on HK television in an interview that was broadcast all over the world saying that "tanks had crushed students while they slept". The problem is of course that Cai Ling was NOT in the square on the night of June 4th, she had fled earlier to HK.
Don't believe me? American Journalists in Beijing at the time deny the FACT that you so gladly point to. http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Denyin
Of course, this begs the question why 90% of the people believe that there was a "massacre" in the square itself.
Look at the last 7 years of american politics and media coverage of it, the answer isn't far away.
Yahoo.com.cn is actually not owned by Yahoo at all, it is wholly owned by alibaba.com, a chinese company. The sale took place 2 years ago. http://www.china-embassy.org/eng/gyzg/t206942.htm
Which is the biggest threat to the leadership's control - as more people get money they start to want to do things with it; and get ideas about how the government should deal with them, as opposed to how the government wants to deal with them. Then, those that haven't enjoyed the economic boon start wanting a piece as well while those that have start getting less willing to see more of their money go to the government to be redistributed.
Yeah, it's not like the people who get rich in China are actually very comfortable part of the system, they want to go and overthrow the government at the first sign that they get a bit of money. I mean who wouldn't want to overthrow the very system that made you rich, been part of the 5% of the population with the connections to make things happen in China. Of course having "democracy" & "freedom" is better than maintaining the hegemony that has produced all the wealth for the top 5% of the population.
This whole middle-class revolution is pure bs from people who do not understand China. Throughout Chinese history, counting on about close to 20 revolutions/dynasty changes, it has ALWAYS been the peasants that have revolted, never the middle class. The idea that the people who have made the most out of the current political and economic systems are going to be the ones to topple it is as ridiculous as thinking that iraqis would welcome an American "liberator".
Most of them know that their government is rotten, and all they need to topple it is to realize that most of their fellow citizens feel the same way.
Not at all, what they need to know is that there is a viable alternative to their government. The chinese are very practical people, they are not going to topple their government if the alternative is anarchy. The only thing chinese people trust less than their government is other chinese people.
If China can effectively whitewash one of the most brutal subjugations of all time
Your post is even more scary than what's going on in china. The chinese people at least know that the government keeps the truth from them so that they are not so trusting of the "facts" of any matter. Most chinese people i talk to about June 4th know that something went on that the government is keeping from them.
You on the other hand PASSIONATELY believe that what you have is the truth, of course, because of what YOUR NEWS MEDIA showed you, clips of tanks etc... juxtaposed with sensational headlines and most people like you are under the impression that it's safe to say that over 1,000 people were killed by fellow Chinamen during this event.
However if you do more research, specifically, interviews with journalists http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Denying _the_Tiananmen_Square_massacre that were in Beijing at the time who vehemently deny the sensationalist "tanks killing students in the square version of events" that the American News Media concocted for the world to see.
Or even read the transcripts done with nearly ALL the student leaders who escaped to America, detailed interviews that cover the entire 2 months of events that led up to June 4th, interviews with Wu Er Kaxi, Wan Dan, etc... NOT ONE of those student leaders put one iota of truth into the "tianmen square massacre" version of events that is so popular "truthiness" today, infact the only student leader who has ever claimed the massacre was student leader Chai Ling, who while making the statement to HK television WAS NOT EVEN IN CHINA on June 4th having fled earlier to escape. So Chai Ling's "eyewitness" account of events to Hong Kong television which was picked up worldwide(guess why? it wouldn't be because it was the most sensational statement that anyone would make(much more exciting than the more mundane statements given anywhere else)), and the eyewitness is not even in the square on the night that it happened.
Chai Ling in her interview with Phillip Cunningham, days before June 4th said the following.
"My fellow students keep asking me, 'What should we do next? What can we accomplish?' I feel so sad, because how can I tell them that what we actually are hoping for is bloodshed, the moment when the government is ready to brazenly butcher the people. Only when the Square is awash with blood will the people of China open their eyes. Only then will they really be united. But how can I explain any of this to my fellow students?
"And what is truly sad is that some students, and famous well-connected people, are working hard to help the government, to prevent it from taking such measures. For the sake of their selfish interests and their private dealings they are trying to cause our movement to disintegrate and get us out of the Square before the government becomes so desperate that it takes action....
"That's why I feel so sad, because I can't say all this to my fellow students. I can't tell them straight out that we must use our blood and our lives to wake up the people. Of course, they will be willing. But they are still so young..." [cries] http://www.tsquare.tv/film/Totnost.html
So basically, she is willing to gamble with other people's lives to make a political point while escaping to become the reverred "dissident" that she is today. I wonder who's political textbook she has been reading?
The following quote is from HouDeJian, a taiwanese singer songwriter that penned the anthem for the June4th movement, he raised money in Hongkong for the students and then joined the hunger strike in beijing. Unlike Chai Ling he was at the square on the night and morning of June 4th.
"Some people said that two hundred died in the Square and others claimed that two thousand died. There were also stories of tanks r
Actually, the situation is a lot more complicated than the standard "Chinese government covered up a lot of deaths in tianmen square". People did die, nearly all people who died WERE NOT STUDENTS. In fact some of the chief organisers of the students left the country before the troops moved in, and ADMITTED on camera that in fact, the EXACT OUTCOME which they were hoping for was bloodshed.
China only has a potential market 5 times larger if you are selling rice...If you are selling anything else, the POTENTIAL market is exponentially smaller than the U.S...even if you extrapolate out 20 years.
The chinese people has always been about the long term view.
Even though currently in their history, there's a ton of short term upheaval, and decisions made with short term profit motive. Throughout east asian history, the fundamental difference between western and eastern culture is that propensity to take a long term view.
Long term view being multi-generational in east asia, whereas long term view, means 5-10 years in western culture.
So yes, innovation in china is very basic at the present time, but the thing to keep in mind is that they realise that being a manufacturing economy is not sustainable long term, and they are willing to take steps to change. The only other economies in the world which have been able to move from third world to first world status all have that east asian thinking. i.e. singapore, South korea, Japan, etc...
Maybe china won't get there in the next 10 years, but they will get there, and they will surpass the US.
I live in China.
Most of the markets and distributors they speak of is just one peasant carrying around a suitcase with discs in it. Basically, the lowest piece in the totem pole. Compare this to a drug operation, and they basically busted the street pushers.
All the manufacturers and big wholesalers are still in operation, within 2 weeks, things will be back to normal. Things like this happen every couple of months and people are very used to these "crackdowns", usually timed to co-incide with some visit from an international body.
The reality of the situation is that piracy will take a LONG time to stamp out in china.
It is actually a part of chinese culture, chinese consumers rely on pirated discs for their entertainment because the legitimate discs are basically so CRAP, in that the range of programs that you can find on legitimate discs are about 1-2% of the range of programs you can find on pirated discs. Pirated discs are also very convenient, you have distributors in every neighbourhood and the residents in these neighbourhood knows where they are. Whereas finding legitimate discs is a pain in the ass, because the stores are so far and few in between.
Second, because pirating is percieved here as a victimless crime, especially pirating american programming, there is no stigma attached to being a pirate. Therefore it is really easy for local law enforcement to be bribed by the pirates, hence, any crackdown will just get a few peasants making a few dollars per day and will never get the big kahunas in the pirating industry.
Graduates may not get the jobs they'd like, but they are certainly NOT common. See these Unesco figures for the number of students enrolled in tertiary education as a proportion of the tertiary school-age population. In 2002, China's ratio was 16%, compared to 83% for the US, 51% for Japan, for example
Read your own figures, ratios are all very nice and pretty, however multiply those ratios by their repespective countries populations.
ooo, China has 1.3 BILLION people, and it's economy is smaller than that of the UK, where are all the jobs?
American economy is 5 times the size of the chinese one and Japan is twice the size.
American population is 1/5 the size of China, and Japan's is about 1/9.
If you are a poor chinese family, you CANNOT Afford to go to university.
The government in china does not pay for higher education, every single university in china charges the SAME tuition fee for All students, that is 10000RMB, or round about $1250USD.
For an average family in china, this means if you want to send your child to university for 4 years, pretty much spending your entire life savings. Most families are quite glad to do so, becaue of the attitude of chinese towards education.
For the poor family, their child cannot afford to go to university no matter how good their marks are.
Chinese Universities ARE MOST definitely not a meritocracy.
In fact it is probably the most unfair admissions process out of all the countries I have ever seen.
The system is heavily slanted towards major cities such as beijing and shanghai. Each university has a quota system for students from each of the countries provinces. So in US terms, it would be like Harvard having a quota for high school students from each state, so if Harvard takes in 1000 students each year, it would allocate 10 students to texas, 10 students to rhode island, 20 students to california, etc....
Now the problem is that the Major cities in China like beijing and shanghai hold most of the universities, and most of the Top universities in China, such as Peking university, Tsinghua University, FuDan university, etc... And each of those universities allocate a HUGE number of positions to students from it's local municipality.
What this means in reality is that Beijing with a population of 18 million people will end up with like 100,000 university spots per year, and a poor, rural province like AnHui with 50 million people will end up with 5,000 university spots. This is reflected in the entrance marks too.
A university in china does not just have ONE entrance mark, it has multiple entrance marks, one for each province which it accepts students from. This means that it will have a low entrance mark for places like beijing which it allocates the most quota to, and an extremely high entrance mark for places which it has a low quota for, like the previously mentioned anhui province.
In education terms this means that the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, not a MERITOCRACY at all.
The problem is not that there isn't enough schools, the students don't want to go to ust jANY university. The students want to get into the TOP brand name universities, there-in lies the problem. It's a matter of employment, there are literally millions of unemployed university graduates in china, a university degree is the foot in the door for ANY white collar position.
Having a degree from a brand name university if almost the only ticket to a well paying job for most chinese. I mean you go to any office and the LOWEST most UNDERPAID person, usually the office boy will almost certinaly have a bachelors degree. University graduates are so common in china there is just not enough work for all of them. That's why you have to get into a brand name one.
I am in china, and your understanding of the chinese internet and also chinese government strategy is misguided.
Any dissident who is at least marginally persistant will be able to get around the ban, there are many, many ways to get to sites that have the information they want. There is no need for this euphemism tactic at all. The chinese government isn't out to block ALL dissent, since they know that it is impossible.
Their strategy is to stop the dissent from becoming a major MEME in the minds of the chinese population, and all that is needed is to prevent the spread of these dissenting ideas to a SIGNIFICANT % of the population. And to do this some rather simple search engine filtering, a flawed but heavyhanded firewall along with self-censorship in traditional mass media is very adequate.
The chinese understand the history of revolution better than almost any other civilisation, and consequently through the study of history they understand the how what why etc... I mean do you find it amazing that a communist dictatorship is going to become the dominant economy in the world within the next 20 years?
ensure that Yahoo, as a foreign privately owned company, wouldn't go too far out of line of Communist Party doctrine
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Yahoo China is not a foreign privately owned company, in fact it is majority owned by Alibaba, a chinese company.
http://www.alibaba.com/aboutalibaba/press/release
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2006-03/1 5/content_536821.htm
Plagiarism, fake research plague academia
By Zhu Zhe (China Daily)
Updated: 2006-03-15 05:39
As China marks the World Consumer Rights Day today, the spotlight would inevitably be on poor products and shoddy service.
But attention is also being focused on the rights of a special group of consumers: subscribers or readers of academic journals.
Plagiarism and fake research have become rampant in China, and are eroding people's trust in academia, Ren Yuing, a member of the Councillors' Office of the State Council, told the recent meeting of the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference, the top advisory body.
He cited a recent survey of 180 PhD degree holders, of whom 60 per cent paid to be published in academic journals; and about the same percentage copied others' work.
"The situation exists in almost every well-known Chinese university," He Weifang, a professor at Peking University's law school, told China Daily. He is also an activist in fighting what he called academic corruption.
Some 100 Chinese professors plan to publish an open letter calling for the establishment of a national supervision mechanism to root out academic plagiarism. The move follows a series of academic scandals:
Qiu Xiaoqing, a biomedicine professor at Sichuan University, was last year accused of publishing fraudulent research in the November 2003 issue of Nature Biotechnology.
Zhou Yezhong, a professor at Wuhan University's law school, was last December accused of copying others' work "word for word."
Shen Luwei, an associate professor at Tianjin Foreign Studies University, was removed from his post in January for plagiarizing 10 articles in his book.
He Weifang said he felt obliged to sign the open letter as the problem has been holding back the country's scientific development.
Academic corruption refers to institutions making use of their resources to gain improper income or power; but misconduct, which is often individual, could take different forms such as plagiarism, distorting experiment data and tampering with original work.
The existing evaluation system, which emphasizes the quantity of papers rather than quality, is considered the root cause of academic corruption and misconduct in China ?scholars have to publish a certain number of books or papers before they are promoted.
"One of my colleagues was demoted because he failed to publish two papers in key academic journals a year,?He said. "The situation in other schools is worse.?
Zhang Jianzu, a professor at East China University of Science and Technology, said schools are to blame as they often help cover up misconduct. "Many plagiarists still work as professors despite some scandals,?he said.
Some plagiarists also hold administrative positions in schools.
To curb violations of academic rights, the Ministry of Education announced this month that it planned to set up a national supervision committee.
It will work out detailed rules on criteria and punishment for academic corruption and misconduct, and investigate such cases. The 25-member committee will consist of scholars from academic institutions.
Vice-Minister of Science and Technology Ma Songde also disclosed that the ministry would establish an archive database, including books and papers the ministry published. "If any academic violation is found, the stain will be on record for good,?Ma said.
Academic circles applaud the new policies, but how the committee and database will work has sparked heated discussion.
He Weifang insists that the committee be made up of scholars, and procedures be transparent. "Also, those being accused should have the right to appeal.?
He argues that the ministry's committee cannot replace committees set up by individual schools, as "administrative powers should not i
Yahoo China is owned by Jack Ma's Alibaba, the godfather of the chinese internet. So it is in fact a chinese company.
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Yahoo sold their chinese operations to Alibaba this year.
http://www.alibaba.com/aboutalibaba/press/release
China's health system makes America's look like a socialist dream.
Don't believe the hype about being a "communist" country, long ago has china abandoned universal healthcare, the situation currently is that the vast majority of chinese are self medicating, the only doctors that most of the population can afford to see are the salespeople who work at the counters of the pharmacies.
China has probably the highest percentage of self-medicated patients in the world.
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