Games have had copy protections that legitimate users have had to crack for ages. From the uncopyable Lemmings disk, to these endless serial numbers(Yes, I lost the cd cover for half-life, does that make me a bad person?), to two or three CD games which demand that you keep the CDs around, even if you have a huge hard drive.
Only suckers play the games the way they've been told. A life without sorting through CDs is a good one, let me assure you of that.
Actually, they send people worth more than $1 Millon to the "martha stewart university campus with yaht club" prison. They reserve the "pound me in the ass" prisons for teenagers who smoke pot and download music off of kazaa.
In canada it's not hard for a person to get assistance if they're homeless. I know a guy who had completely fucked his life up, but applied for welfare and ended up in an apartment not far from the college I was going to.
(bastard. Apartments in downtown Ottawa are not cheap! I'm "lucky" to be in winnipeg now, where rents are reasonable)
Considering the amount of made up information regarding canadas laws in that respect, could you please point me to the part of the legal code where that is the case?
I don't remember seeing anything to that effect in the laws I've read first-hand regarding the truth. In fact, the laws I recall give the speaker the benefit of the doubt and say that if there's reason to believe that they thought they were speaking the truth in good faith, they're still off the hook.
When you stop replying to things I didn't say, I might bother replying in more depth. Frankly, you've missed my point completely enough that arguing with you would just be a waste of space
so, I reiterate: Is the act of going to war, by itself, right?
No. Sending people to die, and engaging in the killing of other people(who aren't nessessarily volunteers, or even nessessarily soldiers) is bad, no matter what the circumstances. Frankly, the fact that most people have forgotten this shows. War isn't at all a pretty thing. soldiers die, innocents die, infastructure gets destroyed, and it takes years to rebuild, and lives lost can never be brought back. You cannot absolve it of its horror or from the fact that people are dead because of your actions just by winning.
There are some instances where it's justified because the end result can save more lives on the balance, but that doesn't change the fact that war is horrible business which is never alright. Winning, losing, none of it can make it right, because in the end, people are dead, and they won't come back.
As I said, two wrong actions can equal a right consequence. The fact that you seem to think that the end not only justifies, but absolves the means of any judgement is telling.
Before I picked up a cheap copy of magix, I used this ancient windows 3.1 program to compose songs, and it was infinitely better than rosegarden. There MUST be something better.
Internet advertising was commodidized years ago, and that's where Google makes most of it's revenue, one way or another, according to the financial papers I read.
The fact that Google has profit now, even after 99% of businesses in the mythical "internet sector" have gone belly up, is a testament to the fact that they probably know more than you do about this whole business thing.
The outcome is right. It's saved uncountable billions of lives and ensured the worlds freedom.
Was the act of sending thousands of kids off to die right, by itself?
Of course not.
You must always move forward, however. When I ride for 8 hours straight, is it right? Probably not. That time could be used in better ways. More profitable, more productive, whatever. When I worked in the worst job in the world for two years to save for college, was it right? No, it wasn't.
Is the fact that I'm fit for the first time in my life, and going to school on my own dime right? Yes, yes it is.
Learn to seperate the action and the consequence. Then you'll see that wrongs add up quickly and chaotically. There are many paths to many goals, and sometimes it's possible to take the longest path.
There are two possiblities here: Either MS really did scrimp on a copy of SoundForge, or they had the license but the installing technician used a crack for some reason.
I had to use daemon-tools to install a program at a place I worked once because there wasn't any way to use it without the CD, and we couldn't really leave the CDs in hundreds of drives and seriously expect it to work.
I also know that the majority of the games I own legitimately, and even some applications, depending on the anti-piracy requirements, get cracked because it's more convenient to do so. I lost my half-life and Freedom Force CD keys long ago, for instance, but I don't really want to run out and spend money on new copies just because I lost a sheet of paper.
Let's wait for the Microsoft side of the story before jumping on them. If we don't, we're no better than they, who jumped on the "linux users are communists!" bandwagon as soon as they saw it could do some damage.
1)When you become the person who gets called when something goes wrong(and this guy was here), you are granted the ethical right to take whatever measures you deem nessessary to ensure the machine stays functional. Using firefox will protect against a variety of viruses and spyware. The problem was just that he failed to calm the user down.
2)A ferrari is objectively better than a yugo. Even if the yugo has it's strengths, the ferrari is overwhelmingly superior.
3) For many ignorant folks, you have to let them browse with firefox for a week before they make a reasonable decision either way.
4)He (appears) to have been messing around with a machine he provided phone support for, free. The rules change in circumstances like these.
Whenever I have to rebuild a windows installation because of web-borne spyware or viruses, I always replace the icon to point to firefox, and crank the security settings in IE to max to make it nearly unusable.
I'm a busy man, and I won't fix a problem which I could have prevented a second time. If people who ask me for my help have a problem with that, they should've sent it to the repair shop and paid the 100 dollars for someone who would pussyfoot around so they could collect another 100 next week when they get infected yet again.
I'll grant you that if this person just walked up to a machine he had no permission to touch and did that, he did wrong. Otherwise, it's his own time he was saving, even if the end turned out poorly.
He wasn't changing this guys WALLPAPER, He was installing a new web browser which is objectively better.
Objectively, I say? How the hell can I say that?
-native popup blocking
-native selective javascript blocking
-fewer vectors for viruses and spyware
-possibly not targetted as much as ie
-faster rendering
-pipelining
-tabs(may be important or not)
-actual current generation PNG support
-relevant signature system for plugins
People are so stupid they'd forget to breathe if it was possible. Sometimes they need to be nudged by those who know better than them. As I mentioned, this isn't changing the guys wallpaper on him, it's protecting his machine against the same stupidity which undoubtedly brought the machine to his shop in the first place.
Actually, it is. Not in higher-level species, but bacteria multiply at a fast enough rate that evolution has been observed in microbial species. Frankly, anyone with even a basic understanding of physics knows that for evolution to even be presented as a theory for as long as it has
It's highly debatable whether scientists should stop defending against creation nutjobs. It's true that it's a complete waste of time trying to argue against someone who has no proof(every single creationist arguement I've ever seen attacks a hole in the understanding of evolution, rather than having any proof as such to back up their worldview. It's like saying "Hey! My car doesn't work! Well, the fuel line isn't clogged, and my battery is charged, so it must be underpants gnomes using my transmission to store their booty!".), but without refuting them again and again, how will people know just how wrong the creationists are? It's the Bush effect: if you keep saying something enough times and nobody refutes you, people start to think it's the truth.
I'd just like to point out that unlike religion, most science can be quite easily proved to within a reasonable degree. Put two charges next to one another, and you'll be able to predict what they'll do thanks to electric field theory. If you push an object with a certain mass with a certain force, it will go a certain distance, equal to the conservative and non-conservative forces. That's kinematics. If you apply a certain charge across two points, you'll be able to accurately predict the properties of the resulting resistive network. That's metalurgy.
Now, show me god. Show me prayer acting upon an object in a quantifyable manner. Show me molecular alteration of an object which can't be explained through purely scientific means brought upon purely by act of faith.
You can't. As long as you can't, calling science and religion the same faith is intellectually dishonest. One is faith that a set of laws govern the world, backed up in part by the technological marvels which each and every one of you reading this message with(Do you think that your monitor will show you something other than this text if you pray hard enough?). The other is reading an ancient book whose only proof is vague similarity with the world as it is, while disregarding the differences between the way the universe is understood as not important.
It's just like the people who think that the matter which during the big bang is god, or that quantum mechanics are god because we don't understand them yet.
Trying to honestly replace things like doppler red shift, atomic physics, biology and evolution(which has been witnessed in bacteria, which lives many generations very quickly) with an invisible being who doesn't affect the universe, but paradoxially does, who is all powerful and all knowing and all caring, while not excersizing any power, wisdom or benevolence upon the world, then saying that scientists ascribe to 'faith' just as much as those people just isn't honest. There's nothing wrong with believing in a god, but don't drag people who actually know a thing or two about the universe to the same level.
MY PARENTS GROUNDED ME SO I HATE THOSE OPPRESSIVE JUDEO-CHRISTIAN BASTARDS! WE SHOULD KILL THEM ALL THEN BURN THEM AFTER STAKING THEM TO UPSIDE DOWN CROSSES!
Or not. Whatever's good for you. Personally, I think creationism is just vanity, and it's reality or falsity does nothing towards proving or disproving the existance of a god whose plans probably include self-modification of the species through natural selection. Humans would like to think they understand Gods plan(if there is a god), and the best way to do that is to argue against the obvious facts of nature and promote a narrow-minded worldview, even if it goes against most of what we know and have witnessed, just because we don't know everything there is to know about evolution.
Seriously, debating against evolution is like debating against the water table. Suprise suprise, God doesn't just spontaneously create rain when peoples crops are thirsty! Suprise suprise, life really does evolve and grow, and we're not trapped into the same original design for all time!
For the record, I'm an atheist, but that's no reason for me to attack religion, and in this case, I'm simply not a believer -- When I attack people like creationists though, I'm attacking vain humans who believe that they know the world of nature better than real scientists, and that they understand how god works, when "He works in mysterious ways", so Gods laws are automatically as they envision them. Creationism is stupid and small minded, just like atheists who attack religion when religious folks don't do anything to them(aside from partake in the odd forum debate -- whoopie) are stupid and small minded. The only difference is that one believes that their beliefs must be 100% correct without any evidence, and the others think that the gaps in evolutionary theory are enough to justify a radically different theory of creation.
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DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!
(the reason I'm using so many caps is because I AM yelling, you insufferable lameness filter! Go away!)
Get over yourself, basically.
Games have had copy protections that legitimate users have had to crack for ages. From the uncopyable Lemmings disk, to these endless serial numbers(Yes, I lost the cd cover for half-life, does that make me a bad person?), to two or three CD games which demand that you keep the CDs around, even if you have a huge hard drive.
Only suckers play the games the way they've been told. A life without sorting through CDs is a good one, let me assure you of that.
Most purists abhor the use of apostrophes in posessives. It's an archaic and incorrect usage.
Heh, critisize, that's a good one.
Unamerican traitor. If you don't like things the way they are, get out.
America: Love it or leave it.
Actually, they send people worth more than $1 Millon to the "martha stewart university campus with yaht club" prison. They reserve the "pound me in the ass" prisons for teenagers who smoke pot and download music off of kazaa.
Who in the holy hell did you give your e-mail address to?!
I've got a whole DOMAIN, and I don't get that many e-mails in a YEAR!
In canada it's not hard for a person to get assistance if they're homeless. I know a guy who had completely fucked his life up, but applied for welfare and ended up in an apartment not far from the college I was going to.
(bastard. Apartments in downtown Ottawa are not cheap! I'm "lucky" to be in winnipeg now, where rents are reasonable)
There's more than one kind of evil you know.
:P
After all, GWB got elected for a second term, didn't he?
Considering the amount of made up information regarding canadas laws in that respect, could you please point me to the part of the legal code where that is the case?
I don't remember seeing anything to that effect in the laws I've read first-hand regarding the truth. In fact, the laws I recall give the speaker the benefit of the doubt and say that if there's reason to believe that they thought they were speaking the truth in good faith, they're still off the hook.
...we get a lot of seniors who grew up in a different generation. A generation that was not filled with a bunch of "get rich quick scammers"
:P
There's one born every minute.
When you stop replying to things I didn't say, I might bother replying in more depth. Frankly, you've missed my point completely enough that arguing with you would just be a waste of space
so, I reiterate: Is the act of going to war, by itself, right?
No. Sending people to die, and engaging in the killing of other people(who aren't nessessarily volunteers, or even nessessarily soldiers) is bad, no matter what the circumstances. Frankly, the fact that most people have forgotten this shows. War isn't at all a pretty thing. soldiers die, innocents die, infastructure gets destroyed, and it takes years to rebuild, and lives lost can never be brought back. You cannot absolve it of its horror or from the fact that people are dead because of your actions just by winning.
There are some instances where it's justified because the end result can save more lives on the balance, but that doesn't change the fact that war is horrible business which is never alright. Winning, losing, none of it can make it right, because in the end, people are dead, and they won't come back.
As I said, two wrong actions can equal a right consequence. The fact that you seem to think that the end not only justifies, but absolves the means of any judgement is telling.
For the record: Ew, rosegarden.
Before I picked up a cheap copy of magix, I used this ancient windows 3.1 program to compose songs, and it was infinitely better than rosegarden. There MUST be something better.
You're posting on slashdot. This makes your opinion in that regard irrelevant. :P
What a stupid post.
Internet advertising was commodidized years ago, and that's where Google makes most of it's revenue, one way or another, according to the financial papers I read.
The fact that Google has profit now, even after 99% of businesses in the mythical "internet sector" have gone belly up, is a testament to the fact that they probably know more than you do about this whole business thing.
Ah... it's good to see Godwin's Law in action.
Yet the discussion continues.
Godwins Thoerum is false.
The outcome is right. It's saved uncountable billions of lives and ensured the worlds freedom.
Was the act of sending thousands of kids off to die right, by itself?
Of course not.
You must always move forward, however. When I ride for 8 hours straight, is it right? Probably not. That time could be used in better ways. More profitable, more productive, whatever. When I worked in the worst job in the world for two years to save for college, was it right? No, it wasn't.
Is the fact that I'm fit for the first time in my life, and going to school on my own dime right? Yes, yes it is.
Learn to seperate the action and the consequence. Then you'll see that wrongs add up quickly and chaotically. There are many paths to many goals, and sometimes it's possible to take the longest path.
Two wrongs do make a right.
What about WWII? It certainly isn't RIGHT to go to war, but in the end, hitler and his nazis were defeated, which I'd consider a pretty hefty "right".
To recap:
Invading poland and killing jews(wrong)+allies going to war(wrong)=nazis and hitler defeated(right)
There are two possiblities here: Either MS really did scrimp on a copy of SoundForge, or they had the license but the installing technician used a crack for some reason.
I had to use daemon-tools to install a program at a place I worked once because there wasn't any way to use it without the CD, and we couldn't really leave the CDs in hundreds of drives and seriously expect it to work.
I also know that the majority of the games I own legitimately, and even some applications, depending on the anti-piracy requirements, get cracked because it's more convenient to do so. I lost my half-life and Freedom Force CD keys long ago, for instance, but I don't really want to run out and spend money on new copies just because I lost a sheet of paper.
Let's wait for the Microsoft side of the story before jumping on them. If we don't, we're no better than they, who jumped on the "linux users are communists!" bandwagon as soon as they saw it could do some damage.
1)When you become the person who gets called when something goes wrong(and this guy was here), you are granted the ethical right to take whatever measures you deem nessessary to ensure the machine stays functional. Using firefox will protect against a variety of viruses and spyware. The problem was just that he failed to calm the user down.
2)A ferrari is objectively better than a yugo. Even if the yugo has it's strengths, the ferrari is overwhelmingly superior.
3) For many ignorant folks, you have to let them browse with firefox for a week before they make a reasonable decision either way.
4)He (appears) to have been messing around with a machine he provided phone support for, free. The rules change in circumstances like these.
Whenever I have to rebuild a windows installation because of web-borne spyware or viruses, I always replace the icon to point to firefox, and crank the security settings in IE to max to make it nearly unusable.
I'm a busy man, and I won't fix a problem which I could have prevented a second time. If people who ask me for my help have a problem with that, they should've sent it to the repair shop and paid the 100 dollars for someone who would pussyfoot around so they could collect another 100 next week when they get infected yet again.
I'll grant you that if this person just walked up to a machine he had no permission to touch and did that, he did wrong. Otherwise, it's his own time he was saving, even if the end turned out poorly.
What's with all the stupid people out today?
He wasn't changing this guys WALLPAPER, He was installing a new web browser which is objectively better.
Objectively, I say? How the hell can I say that?
-native popup blocking
-native selective javascript blocking
-fewer vectors for viruses and spyware
-possibly not targetted as much as ie
-faster rendering
-pipelining
-tabs(may be important or not)
-actual current generation PNG support
-relevant signature system for plugins
People are so stupid they'd forget to breathe if it was possible. Sometimes they need to be nudged by those who know better than them. As I mentioned, this isn't changing the guys wallpaper on him, it's protecting his machine against the same stupidity which undoubtedly brought the machine to his shop in the first place.
It's a shame, really. I guess the MPAA just don't like making money.
Actually, it is. Not in higher-level species, but bacteria multiply at a fast enough rate that evolution has been observed in microbial species. Frankly, anyone with even a basic understanding of physics knows that for evolution to even be presented as a theory for as long as it has
It's highly debatable whether scientists should stop defending against creation nutjobs. It's true that it's a complete waste of time trying to argue against someone who has no proof(every single creationist arguement I've ever seen attacks a hole in the understanding of evolution, rather than having any proof as such to back up their worldview. It's like saying "Hey! My car doesn't work! Well, the fuel line isn't clogged, and my battery is charged, so it must be underpants gnomes using my transmission to store their booty!".), but without refuting them again and again, how will people know just how wrong the creationists are? It's the Bush effect: if you keep saying something enough times and nobody refutes you, people start to think it's the truth.
I'd just like to point out that unlike religion, most science can be quite easily proved to within a reasonable degree. Put two charges next to one another, and you'll be able to predict what they'll do thanks to electric field theory. If you push an object with a certain mass with a certain force, it will go a certain distance, equal to the conservative and non-conservative forces. That's kinematics. If you apply a certain charge across two points, you'll be able to accurately predict the properties of the resulting resistive network. That's metalurgy.
Now, show me god. Show me prayer acting upon an object in a quantifyable manner. Show me molecular alteration of an object which can't be explained through purely scientific means brought upon purely by act of faith.
You can't. As long as you can't, calling science and religion the same faith is intellectually dishonest. One is faith that a set of laws govern the world, backed up in part by the technological marvels which each and every one of you reading this message with(Do you think that your monitor will show you something other than this text if you pray hard enough?). The other is reading an ancient book whose only proof is vague similarity with the world as it is, while disregarding the differences between the way the universe is understood as not important.
It's just like the people who think that the matter which during the big bang is god, or that quantum mechanics are god because we don't understand them yet.
Trying to honestly replace things like doppler red shift, atomic physics, biology and evolution(which has been witnessed in bacteria, which lives many generations very quickly) with an invisible being who doesn't affect the universe, but paradoxially does, who is all powerful and all knowing and all caring, while not excersizing any power, wisdom or benevolence upon the world, then saying that scientists ascribe to 'faith' just as much as those people just isn't honest. There's nothing wrong with believing in a god, but don't drag people who actually know a thing or two about the universe to the same level.
AH KILL YOU!
MY PARENTS GROUNDED ME SO I HATE THOSE OPPRESSIVE JUDEO-CHRISTIAN BASTARDS! WE SHOULD KILL THEM ALL THEN BURN THEM AFTER STAKING THEM TO UPSIDE DOWN CROSSES!
Or not. Whatever's good for you. Personally, I think creationism is just vanity, and it's reality or falsity does nothing towards proving or disproving the existance of a god whose plans probably include self-modification of the species through natural selection. Humans would like to think they understand Gods plan(if there is a god), and the best way to do that is to argue against the obvious facts of nature and promote a narrow-minded worldview, even if it goes against most of what we know and have witnessed, just because we don't know everything there is to know about evolution.
Seriously, debating against evolution is like debating against the water table. Suprise suprise, God doesn't just spontaneously create rain when peoples crops are thirsty! Suprise suprise, life really does evolve and grow, and we're not trapped into the same original design for all time!
For the record, I'm an atheist, but that's no reason for me to attack religion, and in this case, I'm simply not a believer -- When I attack people like creationists though, I'm attacking vain humans who believe that they know the world of nature better than real scientists, and that they understand how god works, when "He works in mysterious ways", so Gods laws are automatically as they envision them. Creationism is stupid and small minded, just like atheists who attack religion when religious folks don't do anything to them(aside from partake in the odd forum debate -- whoopie) are stupid and small minded. The only difference is that one believes that their beliefs must be 100% correct without any evidence, and the others think that the gaps in evolutionary theory are enough to justify a radically different theory of creation.
And S3s relevance is really relevant here.
To be honest, Intel has the largest slice ofthe market by volume, and they have working drivers for Linux. How's that for relevance?