And where did you derive these _facts_ from? The article?
Or perhaps your awesome intellect allows you to pull statements out of thin air and state them as fact?
Given that the work is an EU Framework 6 Project with combined EU and Industry funding I think they would have done a few simple sums before committing to the project.
Amazingly this RFC was tested in a practical implementation of CPIP (Carrier Pigeon Internet Protocol) by the
Bergen Linux User Group. The site has loads of pictures of the tests, and they actually managed to generate a ping whose packets were carried by the avian carrier. Awesome hack!
64 bytes from 10.0.3.1: icmp_seq=0 ttl=255 time=6165731.1 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.3.1: icmp_seq=4 ttl=255 time=3211900.8 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.3.1: icmp_seq=2 ttl=255 time=5124922.8 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.3.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=255 time=6388671.9 ms
--- 10.0.3.1 ping statistics ---
9 packets transmitted, 4 packets received, 55% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max = 3211900.8/5222806.6/6388671.9 ms
I believe that with the four colour problem there was a bit of a fuss precisely because the solution couldn't be hand checked. See this very interesting article Absolute Certainty? from which...
[quote]
Since checking this prediction by hand would be prohibitively time-consuming, Appel and Haken programmed a computer to do the job for them. Some 1,000 hours of computing time later, the machine concluded that the 2,000 maps behave as expected: the four-color conjecture was true.
[/quote]
It also covers various other machine proofs, 'video' proofs and the debate on the use of computers in mathematics.
The next sentence does not refer to Godel's Theorem.
The previous sentence does not refer to Godel's Theorem either.
Do I win the prize? Of course you can simplify this into a single statement, but then it becomes directly self-referential, whereas independently each of these sentences is fine.
Thousands and thousands of words on pages with a number of hyperlinks connecting them. What is it for? Some type of google bomb? Or training data for corrupting bayesian filters?
Yeah, and when the BBC performs its next periodic...
Correction: BT, not the BBC, another Great British Institution that is slowly going down the pan.
The guys at Martlesham Heath that are responsible for this report (BT main R&D centre) have produced some pretty funky stuff in their time. Including inventing the hyperlink in 1927:-)
Do you mean they have tanks, artillery, air-force, WMDs, NSA, CIA , FBI, _TIA_ like the force they would be opposing?
If there was a coup you would be fscked. All the rednecks in the world with all their 'heavy' weaponry wouldn't be able to do dick. Although one could argue that the David vs Goliath attacks occurring in Iraq are a demonstration that such a defence is possible, but the only way that David can win is if Goliath has to withdraw because he cant win without flattening the whole country.
Not deliberately flamebaiting, but your freedom to bear arms etc. as defence against tyranny are purely illusory.
Well it is natural for a business to try and ensure its continued existence by trying to predict the future, and if possible influence it.
As far as how many processors you 'need', already the number of PC based 32 (&64) bit processors around you are totally swamped by embedded processors (>99% of processors sold are 8 or 16 bit), many of which require zero human input and may operate for 10 years or more. A large commerial building may have >> 10^4 embedded processors in it (light fittings, temperature / humidity / occupancy / etc sensors, light switches, door locks, motor controllers, fire sensors etc. etc., not even touching on the IT infrastructure). Many of these processors are still 8 bit microcontrollers running at 5-20MHz. In the next 10 years the number of these type of processors in use is likely to to increase by 1 or 2 orders of magnitude (or more), e.g. through the use of smart RFID tags on every item for asset registering/lifetime maintenance records etc. (US military target for 2005.
It is likely that the 'hidden' embedded processing power of your surroundings will always exceed the conventional IT resources of your PC and IT network.(soon to include places such as your biro, your clothes and shoes and the carpet). And one day the very air that your breathe.
your algorithm is already applied by US troops, hence the number of 'friendly-fire' incidents.
The idea of dumbing things down to the levels that a simple rule based system can handle is just scary. The addition of a (probably remote) human in the loop, e.g.to authorise weapons use is far less desirable than having a real person on the ground. There is no way a remote operator can get the same feel for things.
Remote operation of Predator is not such a great leap from a piloted vehicle as pilots already rely on a great deal of computer generated information for the flight and attack decisions. Moving to on the ground action where you are fighting human beings rather than other machines brings a much greater need for interpersonal skills, especially when there refugees, local civilians etc mixed up with the 'enemy combatants'.
Sadly I think you are right, the Pentagon will push this sort of technology onto the battlefield relatively quickly. And the results will be a great increase in the number of friendlies and neutrals accidentially killed.
James Gleick is a very good journalist and technical author, and the books Chaos and Genius are amongst my favourites.
However he wasn't 'warned off' chaos, although I seem to remembers someone else (Doyne Farmer?) was. By the time Gleick got interested in the area and wrote his book the field was well established, albeit not mainstream.
And before AltaVista was Lycos : and before Lycos was Excite : and before that was Gopher and before that was Archie : plus ca change, it is sad to see the decline of Google, but each generation of search engine is a more powerful tool than the last. Google was until recently the best. Whats next? Lets hope they keep on evolving and don't stagnate through corporate subversion and commercial bias.
When studying as a post-grad I could work at home for days at a time, the intensity of the work blocking out everything else. I could wake up, go straight to the desk, work for a day and then collapse back into bed.
Now I run my own business and have found that the isolation is unbearable after a while. I rent an office across town (just me in it) which allows me to create a routine of 'going to work' and 'leaving for home' which act as symbolic barriers to prevent me constantly being in work mode. It is still quite isolated but at least I see a few people as I go into the office. In addition I think the change of environment is essential, and there isn't the opportunity to 'just see whats on the TV', or availability of a bed for a 'I'll just lay down and think for a while' i.e. working from bed while resting the eyelids.
However I can't just go home from work as it really feels isolated, almost as if one is in a different world to the rest of humanity, one where you can see it but can't touch it. The answer is the pub, several pints of strong lager (Stella, Kronenburg) with a few like-minded alcholohics restores ones humanity and allows me to do it all again the next day.
No I am not suggesting that we let an aggressor have their own way, I believe that in order to overcome your enemy that you need to understand their motivations.
To simply treat them as insane, irrational, whatever is to underestimate them, which I think is one of the things you should never do to your enemy.
'We' have just had President Bush visit 'us'. I think that one of the biggest problems at the moment is the percieved ignorance of US citizens when it comes to foreign affairs, and at present this relates particularly to the lack of understanding of the politics of the middle east, the rise of anti-US feelings, and the role of muslim fundamentalism. Writing these people off as insane is very naive. The cold reception that Bush has received in this country is due to a feeling that _he_ is a particularly naive American whose actions are not improving the situation or making the world a safer place. Whether this is in fact the case I do not know, but perception is more important than fact, as every marketing department knows.
Anyone that blows themselves up along will (sic) innocent people is insane.
Do you really believe that? Modern suicide bombers as well as WWII kamikasi pilots have used this method, insane or simply having unbreakable faith in their cause, and a belief that their death will help their cause.
What should scare you is that some very sane people feel strongly enough to blow themselves up for their cause.
By the second page I was thinking the same, its just a guy talking bull.
However I think there may be a more sinister motive. The story highlights two things (1) the availability of powerful (NSA proof) encryption that is now being used by organised crime, and (2) that the use of an Open-Source OS allows easy (and cheap) access to the necessary tools (IPSec, VoiP etc) without raising any eyebrows.
Queue "oh the horror", "think of the children", "why doesn't the government do something" etc.
I think the story is a subtle plant by unfriendly agents.
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And where did you derive these _facts_ from? The article?
Or perhaps your awesome intellect allows you to pull statements out of thin air and state them as fact?
Given that the work is an EU Framework 6 Project with combined EU and Industry funding I think they would have done a few simple sums before committing to the project.
here is the actual session:
vegard@gyversalen:~$ ping -i 450 10.0.3.1
PING 10.0.3.1 (10.0.3.1): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 10.0.3.1: icmp_seq=0 ttl=255 time=6165731.1 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.3.1: icmp_seq=4 ttl=255 time=3211900.8 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.3.1: icmp_seq=2 ttl=255 time=5124922.8 ms
64 bytes from 10.0.3.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=255 time=6388671.9 ms
--- 10.0.3.1 ping statistics ---
9 packets transmitted, 4 packets received, 55% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max = 3211900.8/5222806.6/6388671.9 ms
Only for very small bullets.
[quote] Since checking this prediction by hand would be prohibitively time-consuming, Appel and Haken programmed a computer to do the job for them. Some 1,000 hours of computing time later, the machine concluded that the 2,000 maps behave as expected: the four-color conjecture was true. [/quote]
It also covers various other machine proofs, 'video' proofs and the debate on the use of computers in mathematics.
The next sentence does not refer to Godel's Theorem.
The previous sentence does not refer to Godel's Theorem either.
Do I win the prize? Of course you can simplify this into a single statement, but then it becomes directly self-referential, whereas independently each of these sentences is fine.
hmmm.. I was thinking that myself
From ze Germans of course! von Brauns V10 was the granddaddy of many of the USA's rockets.
2.html
12.html
12.html
552.html
etc.
Thousands and thousands of words on pages with a number of hyperlinks connecting them. What is it for? Some type of google bomb? Or training data for corrupting bayesian filters?
And what is Windows ME other than a trivially updated Win98SE with a shiny new name?
and his New World Symphony
He is a true visionary.
The reg runs regular articles on his media whoring ^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H major scientific advances.
Correction: BT, not the BBC, another Great British Institution that is slowly going down the pan.
The guys at Martlesham Heath that are responsible for this report (BT main R&D centre) have produced some pretty funky stuff in their time. Including inventing the hyperlink in 1927 :-)
I don't know about you pal, but I'm not eating coal no matter how cheap it is.
Pretty powerful?
Do you mean they have tanks, artillery, air-force, WMDs, NSA, CIA , FBI, _TIA_ like the force they would be opposing?
If there was a coup you would be fscked. All the rednecks in the world with all their 'heavy' weaponry wouldn't be able to do dick. Although one could argue that the David vs Goliath attacks occurring in Iraq are a demonstration that such a defence is possible, but the only way that David can win is if Goliath has to withdraw because he cant win without flattening the whole country.
Not deliberately flamebaiting, but your freedom to bear arms etc. as defence against tyranny are purely illusory.
As far as how many processors you 'need', already the number of PC based 32 (&64) bit processors around you are totally swamped by embedded processors (>99% of processors sold are 8 or 16 bit), many of which require zero human input and may operate for 10 years or more. A large commerial building may have >> 10^4 embedded processors in it (light fittings, temperature / humidity / occupancy / etc sensors, light switches, door locks, motor controllers, fire sensors etc. etc., not even touching on the IT infrastructure). Many of these processors are still 8 bit microcontrollers running at 5-20MHz. In the next 10 years the number of these type of processors in use is likely to to increase by 1 or 2 orders of magnitude (or more), e.g. through the use of smart RFID tags on every item for asset registering/lifetime maintenance records etc. (US military target for 2005.
It is likely that the 'hidden' embedded processing power of your surroundings will always exceed the conventional IT resources of your PC and IT network.(soon to include places such as your biro, your clothes and shoes and the carpet). And one day the very air that your breathe.
Then its gonna be a cast iron bitch changing them when they go flat
Score: -1, total bollocks
your algorithm is already applied by US troops, hence the number of 'friendly-fire' incidents.
The idea of dumbing things down to the levels that a simple rule based system can handle is just scary. The addition of a (probably remote) human in the loop, e.g.to authorise weapons use is far less desirable than having a real person on the ground. There is no way a remote operator can get the same feel for things.
Remote operation of Predator is not such a great leap from a piloted vehicle as pilots already rely on a great deal of computer generated information for the flight and attack decisions. Moving to on the ground action where you are fighting human beings rather than other machines brings a much greater need for interpersonal skills, especially when there refugees, local civilians etc mixed up with the 'enemy combatants'.
Sadly I think you are right, the Pentagon will push this sort of technology onto the battlefield relatively quickly. And the results will be a great increase in the number of friendlies and neutrals accidentially killed.
James Gleick is a very good journalist and technical author, and the books Chaos and Genius are amongst my favourites.
However he wasn't 'warned off' chaos, although I seem to remembers someone else (Doyne Farmer?) was. By the time Gleick got interested in the area and wrote his book the field was well established, albeit not mainstream.
And before AltaVista was Lycos
:
and before Lycos was Excite
:
and before that was Gopher
and before that was Archie
:
plus ca change, it is sad to see the decline of Google, but each generation of search engine is a more powerful tool than the last. Google was until recently the best. Whats next? Lets hope they keep on evolving and don't stagnate through corporate subversion and commercial bias.
on Slashdot:
- when you are tired of the cliches, you're tired of life -
With apologies to SJ and DNA
When studying as a post-grad I could work at home for days at a time, the intensity of the work blocking out everything else. I could wake up, go straight to the desk, work for a day and then collapse back into bed.
Now I run my own business and have found that the isolation is unbearable after a while. I rent an office across town (just me in it) which allows me to create a routine of 'going to work' and 'leaving for home' which act as symbolic barriers to prevent me constantly being in work mode. It is still quite isolated but at least I see a few people as I go into the office. In addition I think the change of environment is essential, and there isn't the opportunity to 'just see whats on the TV', or availability of a bed for a 'I'll just lay down and think for a while' i.e. working from bed while resting the eyelids.
However I can't just go home from work as it really feels isolated, almost as if one is in a different world to the rest of humanity, one where you can see it but can't touch it. The answer is the pub, several pints of strong lager (Stella, Kronenburg) with a few like-minded alcholohics restores ones humanity and allows me to do it all again the next day.
No I am not suggesting that we let an aggressor have their own way, I believe that in order to overcome your enemy that you need to understand their motivations.
To simply treat them as insane, irrational, whatever is to underestimate them, which I think is one of the things you should never do to your enemy.
'We' have just had President Bush visit 'us'. I think that one of the biggest problems at the moment is the percieved ignorance of US citizens when it comes to foreign affairs, and at present this relates particularly to the lack of understanding of the politics of the middle east, the rise of anti-US feelings, and the role of muslim fundamentalism. Writing these people off as insane is very naive. The cold reception that Bush has received in this country is due to a feeling that _he_ is a particularly naive American whose actions are not improving the situation or making the world a safer place. Whether this is in fact the case I do not know, but perception is more important than fact, as every marketing department knows.
Do you really believe that? Modern suicide bombers as well as WWII kamikasi pilots have used this method, insane or simply having unbreakable faith in their cause, and a belief that their death will help their cause.
What should scare you is that some very sane people feel strongly enough to blow themselves up for their cause.
Don't bite that Apple!
By the second page I was thinking the same, its just a guy talking bull.
However I think there may be a more sinister motive. The story highlights two things (1) the availability of powerful (NSA proof) encryption that is now being used by organised crime, and (2) that the use of an Open-Source OS allows easy (and cheap) access to the necessary tools (IPSec, VoiP etc) without raising any eyebrows.
Queue "oh the horror", "think of the children", "why doesn't the government do something" etc.
I think the story is a subtle plant by unfriendly agents.
But maybe I'm just a tad paranoid.