Well put, i had been thinking the same thing myself.
I wonder if there is any group within KDE devoted to performace issues in general? I would certainly be interested in something of that nature.
On the subject of performance, I think this problem might simply be caused by the increased presence of inexperienced programmers. Admittedly, I am one of these. I know how to code pretty well, but I know very little about how to write optimized code.
Also, since open source projects are constantly in development, coders often focus more on readability than optimization (well, sometimes).
Have you ever used accelated X (DRI) with the radeon? There used to be a huge crashing bug with radeon + irongate. Basically, whenever you tried to start the X server with DRI enabled, it would hang. And beleive me it wasn't fun, I had to live with unaccelerated X for the six months that it took to fix it (even then I had to compile X myself until it got into debian). It had something to do with the HDP_SOFT_RESET register, IIRC. Thankfully its fixed now and I'm experiencing no more problems.
You should really give credit to the Conan O'Brian show for that one. That wasn't even the best Harry Potter joke on the show either. I liked the one where they had the unusually long and repetative dialogue between Harry and the teacher.
Thats not his point, he's just saying that if Intel's jackassery continues, they will not be able to live off of all the extra money they have underneath them forever. Although I will admit that AMD is on thin ice, if they make one big huge mistake (I mean Intel style here), it could destroy then. But they're used to operating on such high stakes and will probably doing so for a while. I mean really, how can you go wrong with Kernel Sanders as your CEO? (Yes I know he will be stepping down soon, but his successor Miguel de Icaza, i think, has been with the company for a while and has no doubt learned from Sanders.)
Hmm... Well theres been lots of talk about the possibility of paramagnetism around here.
Theres two you have to keep in mind:
Not all substances are paramagnetic, in fact many are not. I saw in the experiment they used glass for one of the pendulums. Thats made (primarily) of SiO2. Now, both the Si2+ ion and the O2- ion are not paramagnetic, they are diamagnetic, meaning they are not attracted by magnetic fields. However, I have heard that diamagnetism is also a force (weaker than para), I'm not sure if this is true, but even if it were, the mixing of paramagnetic and diamagnetic substances would simply produce wacky results so this is almost certainly not the case.
If there really were paramagnatism going on, it would be an attractive, not repulsive, force.
My take on this whole thing is that it is either the experiment is somehow at fault, or we getting one stepping the coveted unified field theory. I really have not basis for that statement, but this whole reverse gravitation powered by electromagnetic force just seems to imply it.
Oh, and it has to be said:
"Homer, I don't know whats more dissapointing. My failure to formulate a unified field theory, or you." -- Stephen Hawking
I'm not really sure how this protocol works, (correct me if I'm wrong) but I imagine it creates some kind of key at the beginning of the document which corresponds tag names to numbers then sends the entire document as a string of those numbers with the data packed in between. This way you can easily convert it back when you receive the document. So really it wouldn't make things any harder unless you decided (for some odd reason) not to convert the received stream back to xml before debugging it.
Ahh... D Engines, that brings back memories. You know, I always wanted to strap like 50 of those to one poor rocket and see what happens. Anyone ever tried something like that? I sure would like to (and hey, i might even do it with out blowing myself to smitherenes!) Also, I'd like to just put 3 fins right on an engine and launch it, who ever wanted a rocket with a real body anyway?
btw, how often will this line run the apt update command? once everytime you boot up, or something like that? i tried man crontab, but it didnt really tell me anything usefull about the syntax of this file.
Whoa! thanks! I didn't know about that commands before now. Before, the only reason i did use dselect was to search for a package i didnt know the specific name of ('/'). That way seems a alot better. Now all I hve to do is remember to actually use it.
Yesterday, I saw over LWN.net a little email from ESR predicting this.
It was pretty accurate, although naturally I dont think that the comments were quite as bad as he made them out to be. But hey, what do you expect?
On to the actual content of the speech, one thing I noticed was that this guy kept inextricably tying open-source to open source businesses. This kind of annoys me because one of the key aspects of the open-source community is that anyone with computer knowledge can help out, they dont have to be part a company or anything like that. Not that corporations dont do a lot for the open-source community, they just dont do everything.
Another thing I noticed was that he seemed to think that open-source implied GLP. Certainly it does not. There are many, many other open-source licences out there, too many to name. Although I do personally prefer the GPL.
Also, Shared Source sucks for both individuals and for business. Like ERS said, its just a one way relationship. The companies that see the code cant use it, all they can do is modify it for the benefit of Microsoft. This basically funnels IP from everywhere else right into microsoft. Apparently its OK for them to steal IP, but once someone else does, oh man...
Im sure theres a million things that are wrong with this guys logic that I'm missing, but I cant get everything and I'm sure they'll be fully elaborated on in further comments.
God I hate Adelphia Powerlink. If it werent for their shitty servers I might have posted this comment like 20 minutes ago and it might have been near the top and so on...thats it, i'm suing them for irreprible damage to karma.
I wonder how many wats the power supply will be, I thought I remember hearing it was gonna be some insane number like 800W, but dont take my word on that one.
But seriously, why does Intel keep doing this. Obviously you cant just keep making the processor larger and larger, and give it more and more power, why dont they try and innovate a little, or a least if they do, tell us about it sometime. I haven't seem much of anything about the 'new' core they have on this thing.
All they are right now are professional overclockers, and they suck at it too.
I was trying to do that myself, but I guess you beat me to it.
You should probly post that at the top level, it doesn't seem to be getting much attention here. I'm sure this little bit of info will get the/. community all riled up.
is a digital (full motion) video camera, with just the overlay of the doom character that shows up on the digital readout, then I could walk around and BFG anyone I see.
(Note--this post in no way supports the use of real guns on real people)
The NRA = The Nation's Republican Asses.
I would definitely say that this is not the place for Java. I mean Java at is core was not made to make things faster or less proccessor intensive. When your working in an environment like a these, there are huge constraints on memory use and overhead.
Even though Java does provide a faster development process and more extensibility, as the article says, these things shouldn't be made to do all, they are aimed at doing specific tasks as efficiently as possible. So the main strengths of java aren't even neccesary. I mean, other, more low level languages can read XML and use other 'buzzword' technology just as good, and faster.
We all know this is just a figment of your imagination, put there by the Intel PR dept.
I mean, look at the availability of the 1Ghz PIII, can you even get one today? Even PIII's as low as 900 Mhz are hard to get. Then there's the supposed 1.14Ghz (which sucked), what happened to that one? And now they try and convince us that a chip almost 300 Mhz than their previous and on a new platform (supposedly), will be not only stable and fast but available anytime in the near future? Put down the crack pipe Intel.
First of all, I am very impressed with the new release, nice job Mozilla.
One problem I have is with the downloader. I mean, it is quite unstable (more so than the rest of the browser), plus it doesn't support resuming downloads.
I find myself just copying link location, then using wget, which is the best download program I've ever seen.
I actually tried to use the moz dl'er to get Galeon, i figured its only 300K, it'll make it. But no, it stopped with 1K left and said unknown error and the file was corrupt.
I think it would be cool if there were an option to just use wget (or some other command line downloader) for all mozilla downloads, which is built in. Or else, make the downloader into a wget front-end.
It seems to me that if we change the directory structure that more closely represents an ideal packaging system, it might make it easier to implement a packaging service, and it might make everything easier in general.
I was thinking something like this:
/bin/[appname]/ - binaries for apps
/data/[appname]/ - static data for apps
/config/[appname]/ - config data for apps
/lib/[libname](/) - compiled libraries, either in one big dir, or with separate dirs
/include/[libname](/) - headers for libs, similar to above
/src/[lib/appname]/ - source for libs and apps
/users/[username]/ - user directories
/boot/[kernelImage] - put kernel images here
/boot/modules/[moduleName] - put modules here
/mnt - same as always
/dev - system devices
/tmp - you always need one of these
/proc - honestly, I have no idea what this does, but it should probobly be there
(the/var directory I think is pretty much replaced by/tmp, maybe not though)
And I know daemons fit in here somewhere, I'm just not sure where.
Now, obviously this is quite an uninfomed suggestion, seeing as I am quite an inexperiencd linux user, compared to other/.'ers, but from what I've learned about linux, it seems to make sense.
However, it does destroy most established standards in the process, but you need change to make progress.
Anyone notice that Nitro (which i assume is the same thing as Nitro Records), the record label owned by Dexter Holland, lead sing of The Offspring, is on the list? That is definitely a conflict of interest there. But they sold out, so I dont really care about them.
Also, on a sad note to all my punk rock friends, both Epitaph and Fat Wrech Chords are on there. Of course, nowadays those two arent really "underground" anyway. The really small labels are most likely still free.
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I saw the movie a long time ago and I really liked it, but I haven't been able to find in any movie stores. I wish I could see it again.
Well put, i had been thinking the same thing myself.
I wonder if there is any group within KDE devoted to performace issues in general? I would certainly be interested in something of that nature.
On the subject of performance, I think this problem might simply be caused by the increased presence of inexperienced programmers. Admittedly, I am one of these. I know how to code pretty well, but I know very little about how to write optimized code.
Also, since open source projects are constantly in development, coders often focus more on readability than optimization (well, sometimes).
Have you ever used accelated X (DRI) with the radeon? There used to be a huge crashing bug with radeon + irongate. Basically, whenever you tried to start the X server with DRI enabled, it would hang. And beleive me it wasn't fun, I had to live with unaccelerated X for the six months that it took to fix it (even then I had to compile X myself until it got into debian). It had something to do with the HDP_SOFT_RESET register, IIRC. Thankfully its fixed now and I'm experiencing no more problems.
You should really give credit to the Conan O'Brian show for that one. That wasn't even the best Harry Potter joke on the show either. I liked the one where they had the unusually long and repetative dialogue between Harry and the teacher.
I see your boss employed the ol' "fix the glitch" tactic!
Ah, the joys of draconian management...
Thats not his point, he's just saying that if Intel's jackassery continues, they will not be able to live off of all the extra money they have underneath them forever. Although I will admit that AMD is on thin ice, if they make one big huge mistake (I mean Intel style here), it could destroy then. But they're used to operating on such high stakes and will probably doing so for a while. I mean really, how can you go wrong with Kernel Sanders as your CEO? (Yes I know he will be stepping down soon, but his successor Miguel de Icaza, i think, has been with the company for a while and has no doubt learned from Sanders.)
Wow that party was definitely doubleplusunsmart!
Interestingly enough, I'm reading that book for the first time as we speak, probably the best summer reading assingment I've ever had.
Theres two you have to keep in mind:
My take on this whole thing is that it is either the experiment is somehow at fault, or we getting one stepping the coveted unified field theory. I really have not basis for that statement, but this whole reverse gravitation powered by electromagnetic force just seems to imply it.
Oh, and it has to be said:
"Homer, I don't know whats more dissapointing. My failure to formulate a unified field theory, or you." -- Stephen Hawking
I'm not really sure how this protocol works, (correct me if I'm wrong) but I imagine it creates some kind of key at the beginning of the document which corresponds tag names to numbers then sends the entire document as a string of those numbers with the data packed in between. This way you can easily convert it back when you receive the document. So really it wouldn't make things any harder unless you decided (for some odd reason) not to convert the received stream back to xml before debugging it.
Ahh... D Engines, that brings back memories. You know, I always wanted to strap like 50 of those to one poor rocket and see what happens. Anyone ever tried something like that? I sure would like to (and hey, i might even do it with out blowing myself to smitherenes!) Also, I'd like to just put 3 fins right on an engine and launch it, who ever wanted a rocket with a real body anyway?
btw, how often will this line run the apt update command? once everytime you boot up, or something like that? i tried man crontab, but it didnt really tell me anything usefull about the syntax of this file.
Whoa! thanks! I didn't know about that commands before now. Before, the only reason i did use dselect was to search for a package i didnt know the specific name of ('/'). That way seems a alot better. Now all I hve to do is remember to actually use it.
Yesterday, I saw over LWN.net a little email from ESR predicting this.
It was pretty accurate, although naturally I dont think that the comments were quite as bad as he made them out to be. But hey, what do you expect?
On to the actual content of the speech, one thing I noticed was that this guy kept inextricably tying open-source to open source businesses. This kind of annoys me because one of the key aspects of the open-source community is that anyone with computer knowledge can help out, they dont have to be part a company or anything like that. Not that corporations dont do a lot for the open-source community, they just dont do everything. Another thing I noticed was that he seemed to think that open-source implied GLP. Certainly it does not. There are many, many other open-source licences out there, too many to name. Although I do personally prefer the GPL.
Also, Shared Source sucks for both individuals and for business. Like ERS said, its just a one way relationship. The companies that see the code cant use it, all they can do is modify it for the benefit of Microsoft. This basically funnels IP from everywhere else right into microsoft. Apparently its OK for them to steal IP, but once someone else does, oh man...
Im sure theres a million things that are wrong with this guys logic that I'm missing, but I cant get everything and I'm sure they'll be fully elaborated on in further comments.
God I hate Adelphia Powerlink. If it werent for their shitty servers I might have posted this comment like 20 minutes ago and it might have been near the top and so on...thats it, i'm suing them for irreprible damage to karma.
Clearly this district is composed of a hoard of ravenous anti-geek maniacs!
They have, though some unknown mechanism, somehow managed to rig their page to crash the latest mozilla nightly...bastards.
Ah well...off to bugzilla.
actually, you can read .wmv files in linux with mplayer.
I wonder how many wats the power supply will be, I thought I remember hearing it was gonna be some insane number like 800W, but dont take my word on that one.
But seriously, why does Intel keep doing this. Obviously you cant just keep making the processor larger and larger, and give it more and more power, why dont they try and innovate a little, or a least if they do, tell us about it sometime. I haven't seem much of anything about the 'new' core they have on this thing.
All they are right now are professional overclockers, and they suck at it too.
Wow, nice work.
/. community all riled up.
I was trying to do that myself, but I guess you beat me to it.
You should probly post that at the top level, it doesn't seem to be getting much attention here. I'm sure this little bit of info will get the
is a digital (full motion) video camera, with just the overlay of the doom character that shows up on the digital readout, then I could walk around and BFG anyone I see.
(Note--this post in no way supports the use of real guns on real people)
The NRA = The Nation's Republican Asses.
Hmm.. Good point, I didnt think about the ammount of code reuse you can do with java (using the shared class libraries for all the apps).
Plus, coming from one of the designers, I'll assume that your point of view is quite a bit more informed than mine.
And as for Sun, I lost lots of respect for them after the whole Blackdown fiasco.
I would definitely say that this is not the place for Java. I mean Java at is core was not made to make things faster or less proccessor intensive. When your working in an environment like a these, there are huge constraints on memory use and overhead.
Even though Java does provide a faster development process and more extensibility, as the article says, these things shouldn't be made to do all, they are aimed at doing specific tasks as efficiently as possible. So the main strengths of java aren't even neccesary. I mean, other, more low level languages can read XML and use other 'buzzword' technology just as good, and faster.
We all know this is just a figment of your imagination, put there by the Intel PR dept.
I mean, look at the availability of the 1Ghz PIII, can you even get one today? Even PIII's as low as 900 Mhz are hard to get. Then there's the supposed 1.14Ghz (which sucked), what happened to that one? And now they try and convince us that a chip almost 300 Mhz than their previous and on a new platform (supposedly), will be not only stable and fast but available anytime in the near future? Put down the crack pipe Intel.
First of all, I am very impressed with the new release, nice job Mozilla.
One problem I have is with the downloader. I mean, it is quite unstable (more so than the rest of the browser), plus it doesn't support resuming downloads.
I find myself just copying link location, then using wget, which is the best download program I've ever seen.
I actually tried to use the moz dl'er to get Galeon, i figured its only 300K, it'll make it. But no, it stopped with 1K left and said unknown error and the file was corrupt.
I think it would be cool if there were an option to just use wget (or some other command line downloader) for all mozilla downloads, which is built in. Or else, make the downloader into a wget front-end.
It seems to me that if we change the directory structure that more closely represents an ideal packaging system, it might make it easier to implement a packaging service, and it might make everything easier in general.
/bin/[appname]/ - binaries for apps
/data/[appname]/ - static data for apps
/config/[appname]/ - config data for apps
/lib/[libname](/) - compiled libraries, either in one big dir, or with separate dirs
/include/[libname](/) - headers for libs, similar to above
/src/[lib/appname]/ - source for libs and apps
/users/[username]/ - user directories
/boot/[kernelImage] - put kernel images here
/boot/modules/[moduleName] - put modules here
/mnt - same as always
/dev - system devices
/tmp - you always need one of these
/proc - honestly, I have no idea what this does, but it should probobly be there
/var directory I think is pretty much replaced by /tmp, maybe not though)
/.'ers, but from what I've learned about linux, it seems to make sense.
I was thinking something like this:
(the
And I know daemons fit in here somewhere, I'm just not sure where.
Now, obviously this is quite an uninfomed suggestion, seeing as I am quite an inexperiencd linux user, compared to other
However, it does destroy most established standards in the process, but you need change to make progress.
Anyone notice that Nitro (which i assume is the same thing as Nitro Records), the record label owned by Dexter Holland, lead sing of The Offspring, is on the list? That is definitely a conflict of interest there. But they sold out, so I dont really care about them. Also, on a sad note to all my punk rock friends, both Epitaph and Fat Wrech Chords are on there. Of course, nowadays those two arent really "underground" anyway. The really small labels are most likely still free.
Destroyed! I guess I'll help sweep up the flaming wreckage that was once the body of the guy who submitted this story.