As far as I can tell, this is NOT about plugins or the latest whiz-bang flying graphics.
A lot of the hostility towards things like Flash is a direct result of standards non-compliance. No one handles things exactly the same, everyone has different difficulties making things work, users and developers alike get frustrated.
They are asking that every site design only for the standard. This WOULD NOT mean that Links, Lynx, or any other "alternative" browser will be unable to use the web, in fact it would make it easier for them, giving them a standard basis for their changes (like image removal, etc.)
I'm guessing the WSP has noticed that most modern browsers are mostly correct in drawing HTML, (At least better then I ever remember) but designers and designs are still forced to cripple themselves to avoid alienating potential customers.
If the majority (80%? 90%?) of users had a modern browser, the only subsequent upgrades would involve
A) Bug fixes -- Most users are happy to upgrade for this.
B) Feature Additions -- This is obviously up to the individual browsers, but most users will also upgrade for nice new features.
C) HTML Standards Changes / Additions -- This happens less frequently then A or B, and could thus be lumped in with them.
So.. one big web-wide browser upgrade (not just to IE5.5 or NS6, but any standards-compliant browser) and the World Would Be A Better Place.
This is not about making you watch Flash movies, or download 2.4MB of DHTML, or 10,000 nested tables. It's about organizations that now have to build 4 seperate pages instead of 1, and it's about your user experience suffering as a result.
I have to agree with your general idea here: A lot of people get killed all of the time. It wouldn't surprise me to hear that more then 17 people were shot last weekend in L.A. However, wearing a black trenchcoat to piss off folks is a step in the wrong direction; more compassion/understanding is needed, not less.
The article said these were _fingerless_ gloves, with a padded palm. I've never played this particular game, but I've had plenty of controller blisters, and I *never* got them on my palms.
Always my fingers and thumbs.
Does this strike anyone as odd? Has anyone played mario sport? Where did you get blisters?
Well, you're right, I didnt put too much time into it. I can see how, technical merit aside, a simple premise can be fun or addictive (ex: the whole windows/solitaire thing.)
I was less then underwhelmed with nanosaur, but I wish it luck.
I worked at CompUSA a while ago, and in spare time we'd play around with various pre-installed games. Believe me when I say Nanosaur is NOT cool. The graphics are primative even by Quake I standards, the controls are tricky, and the game is little more then shooting missles at the same 2 dinosaur types over and over....
Now, I'm happy that another company is interested in Linux gaming, and if a demo is made available I'll probably try it out,
Yep, I'm guessing you're trying to use drivers for a ES1371 soundcard?
Happened to me too. I hoped it could be as easily fixed as the block driver typo of 2.3.46, but this seems to be struct problems, and my C knowledge dosen't cover structs:(
Last night my HD began thrashing like I've never seen, the system crawled to a halt, and happily froze.
Upon recovery, files are *everywhere* except where they're supposed to be. I did a quick install on an empty partition, and I'm in the process of saving all the important stuff I can find. I'll then wipe the HD clean and do a fresh install.
This is the first time I have ever had problems with a devel kernel, (and I've been using them for 3 years or so) so it's not too likely, but beware.
Hopefully 2.3.41 won't put me in this situation.
Oh well, at least it happened on a friday so I have time to repair.
Just a few things that may/may not have been said already.
First of all, why is this particular product being highlighted? I've seen at least 8 other companies making these. Not to mention that making your own is a simple matter for a first-year EE student.
Second, why do I see so much pooh-poohing of overclocking in this discussion? I think one of my happiest hardware moments was when I got my K6-2 380 to run stably at 500Mhz. Believe me there *was* a performance difference, and I don't really play 3D games. Now that I just got my Athlon 650, I'm assembling the parts to make my own "goldenfingers." I see many accounts of 650's doing 750 and 800 without a problem, and without modifying the cache divisor.
Speaking of the Athlon, damn. I'm very impressed with this chip. I have never been this close to the "bleeding edge" before, and it's a neat feeling. It takes less then 6 minutes to do a complete kernel build (dep, clean, bzImage, modules, etc.), 3 SETI@Home packets a day, and I can turn on almost all the bells and whistles in E with no problems.
If you dont want to overclock, don't. I wouldn't do it on a mission-critical machine, but it's a thrilling feeling the first time you boot up faster then before.
Gee, I'm sorry. Seeing Phish in Austis is easy: *drive there, no parking fee *go in, sit on huge hill. *dance the whole night long, -or- sit back and enjoy *go home and sleep, humming phishy tunes.
Hell yeah, I think that was the first bbs I ever used. That or the Windmill.
Weird world to know you went to the highschool where cDc was begun. Oh, and that meat packing plant burned down a few years ago. Just some twisted steel out of concrete now.
I'm sure konstant is happy to hear opinions and criticisims of his essay, but you're bordering on insult.
When someone spends the time and thought to post something even-headed and intelligent (albeit somewhat biased) to a public forum, it can only improve the quality of discussion.
Comments with that level of severity are well suited to "FIRST POST!" comments, but lets not weigh down conversation with complaints about grammar.
Maybe I'm wrong, but you're post was *far* from grammatically correct, with a shining example: "...the reply's to your essay..."
oooh, misplaced apostrophes are my #1 grammatical pet peeve.
Did you look closely at that page? Man, there's some html-wizardry I've never seen before. If that page is any indication of the attention to detail we'll see in the game, I'll be really impressed.
Whoops, have you *used* E?
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I use E + Gnome
I simply *do not* have problems.
I did have some problems resulting from constantly upgrading gnome since ver 0.20, but when I wiped all old config files, it worked like a charm.
Oh, and the Enlightenment 0.15 RPMs have been rock-solid.
the Trackman Marble uses the same principle, yes. If you open it and run your finger across the little window, your pointer moves.
The concept of using a mouse on your knee or chair arm is nothing new, i set my trackman on my knee all the time. What this new MS mouse does *not* solve is the need for much desktop real estate. The trackman takes no additional space outside of it's actual size. Any mouse that you have to move around will.
Using this mouse on your knee will be a bit kludgey too, since most knees are not likely to be a whole screen's worth in movement.
Oh well, perhaps and improvement on the typical mouse, but certainly not better then the Trackman.
how are you folks reporting it's "fast"? I've just installed the rpm, and it took about 2 minutes to render a local page! slashdot loaded for about 10 before stopping altogether, and I'm on a T1 here... And thats not mentioning the graphical glitches all over the screen, especially after resizing the window. I'm running on a p200, and netscape 4.51 works just as fast as it's windows counterpart, but the only speed improvement I can see with mozilla is in loading time. I hope I'm doing something terribly wrong?
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As far as I can tell, this is NOT about plugins or the latest whiz-bang flying graphics.
A lot of the hostility towards things like Flash is a direct result of standards non-compliance. No one handles things exactly the same, everyone has different difficulties making things work, users and developers alike get frustrated.
They are asking that every site design only for the standard. This WOULD NOT mean that Links, Lynx, or any other "alternative" browser will be unable to use the web, in fact it would make it easier for them, giving them a standard basis for their changes (like image removal, etc.)
I'm guessing the WSP has noticed that most modern browsers are mostly correct in drawing HTML, (At least better then I ever remember) but designers and designs are still forced to cripple themselves to avoid alienating potential customers.
If the majority (80%? 90%?) of users had a modern browser, the only subsequent upgrades would involve
A) Bug fixes -- Most users are happy to upgrade for this.
B) Feature Additions -- This is obviously up to the individual browsers, but most users will also upgrade for nice new features.
C) HTML Standards Changes / Additions -- This happens less frequently then A or B, and could thus be lumped in with them.
So.. one big web-wide browser upgrade (not just to IE5.5 or NS6, but any standards-compliant browser) and the World Would Be A Better Place.
This is not about making you watch Flash movies, or download 2.4MB of DHTML, or 10,000 nested tables. It's about organizations that now have to build 4 seperate pages instead of 1, and it's about your user experience suffering as a result.
Does this really sound so bad?
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I've got a Gigabyte GA-71X
1 AGP
5 PCI
2 ISA
damn straight.
(what to do when I next upgrade? I don't wanna buy a new pci parport card or scsi-1 controller... but most new boards dont even have 1 ISA)
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I have to agree with your general idea here: A lot of people get killed all of the time. It wouldn't surprise me to hear that more then 17 people were shot last weekend in L.A. However, wearing a black trenchcoat to piss off folks is a step in the wrong direction; more compassion/understanding is needed, not less.
Nice. I couldn't have said it better.
The article said these were _fingerless_ gloves, with a padded palm.
I've never played this particular game, but I've had plenty of controller blisters, and I *never* got them on my palms.
Always my fingers and thumbs.
Does this strike anyone as odd?
Has anyone played mario sport?
Where did you get blisters?
From Webster's
sac (noun):
"a pouch within an animal or plant often containing a fluid
(generally or often considered vulgar)"
As an Anonymous Coward, I didn't expect you to know this.
Grow some balls, then try another rebuttal.
Well, you're right, I didnt put too much time into it. I can see how, technical merit aside, a simple premise can be fun or addictive (ex: the whole windows/solitaire thing.)
I was less then underwhelmed with nanosaur, but I wish it luck.
Wow, I'm really gonna take an insult from an anonymous coward.
Lick on my nutsac.
I worked at CompUSA a while ago, and in spare time we'd play around with various pre-installed games. Believe me when I say Nanosaur is NOT cool. The graphics are primative even by Quake I standards, the controls are tricky, and the game is little more then shooting missles at the same 2 dinosaur types over and over....
Now, I'm happy that another company is interested in Linux gaming, and if a demo is made available I'll probably try it out,
but don't get your hopes too far up.
Yep, I'm guessing you're trying to use drivers for a ES1371 soundcard?
:(
....
Happened to me too. I hoped it could be as easily fixed as the block driver typo of 2.3.46, but this seems to be struct problems, and my C knowledge dosen't cover structs
oh well, just wait for 2.3.49 I guess
"Thanks for bringing this to our attention"
WTF!?!
You *cannot* be that stupid!
How can I express my shock and anger in this text?
Mr. Bottoms, you cannot truthfully tell us that NO ONE at LinuxOne was aware of this issue before you saw this comment today.
FUCK! Stop it!
Ouch!
Last night my HD began thrashing like I've never seen, the system crawled to a halt, and happily froze.
Upon recovery, files are *everywhere* except where they're supposed to be. I did a quick install on an empty partition, and I'm in the process of saving all the important stuff I can find. I'll then wipe the HD clean and do a fresh install.
This is the first time I have ever had problems with a devel kernel, (and I've been using them for 3 years or so) so it's not too likely, but beware.
Hopefully 2.3.41 won't put me in this situation.
Oh well, at least it happened on a friday so I have time to repair.
Any time you start the "My distro is better/Distro-X sux" rhetoric, you are waving the Troll Flag.
Do not be surprised when you are labeled as such.
Just a few things that may/may not have been said already.
:)
First of all, why is this particular product being highlighted? I've seen at least 8 other companies making these. Not to mention that making your own is a simple matter for a first-year EE student.
Second, why do I see so much pooh-poohing of overclocking in this discussion? I think one of my happiest hardware moments was when I got my K6-2 380 to run stably at 500Mhz. Believe me there *was* a performance difference, and I don't really play 3D games. Now that I just got my Athlon 650, I'm assembling the parts to make my own "goldenfingers." I see many accounts of 650's doing 750 and 800 without a problem, and without modifying the cache divisor.
Speaking of the Athlon, damn. I'm very impressed with this chip. I have never been this close to the "bleeding edge" before, and it's a neat feeling. It takes less then 6 minutes to do a complete kernel build (dep, clean, bzImage, modules, etc.), 3 SETI@Home packets a day, and I can turn on almost all the bells and whistles in E with no problems.
If you dont want to overclock, don't. I wouldn't do it on a mission-critical machine, but it's a thrilling feeling the first time you boot up faster then before.
If you want to see some crazy-assed OCing, check this out:
http://totl.net/Eunuch/Eunuch2.html
Now *thats* serious
err,
and stuff.
Lets get our proximal scandinavian countries straight, eh?
For my 2 cents:
*Ideally we'd all call it Lee-nooks, after Lee-noos Torvalds, but thats kinda awkward.
*If Linus were American, he'd pronounce his name Lie-nus.
Thus:
My American toungue calls it "Lie-nucks" after it's creator.
But you won't get me correcting any other pronunciation.
The 'net is a reading-based culture, so as long as we can all spell it right we're ok.
--Andrew
Gee, I'm sorry. Seeing Phish in Austis is easy: *drive there, no parking fee *go in, sit on huge hill. *dance the whole night long, -or- sit back and enjoy *go home and sleep, humming phishy tunes.
Hell yeah, I think that was the first bbs I ever used. That or the Windmill.
Weird world to know you went to the highschool where cDc was begun.
Oh, and that meat packing plant burned down a few years ago. Just some twisted steel out of concrete now.
:)
Ouch!
I'm sure konstant is happy to hear opinions and criticisims of his essay, but you're bordering on insult.
When someone spends the time and thought to post something even-headed and intelligent (albeit somewhat biased) to a public forum, it can only improve the quality of discussion.
Comments with that level of severity are well suited to "FIRST POST!" comments, but lets not weigh down conversation with complaints about grammar.
Maybe I'm wrong, but you're post was *far* from grammatically correct, with a shining example:
"...the reply's to your essay..."
oooh, misplaced apostrophes are my #1 grammatical pet peeve.
--Andrew
Did you look closely at that page? Man, there's some html-wizardry I've never seen before.
If that page is any indication of the attention to detail we'll see in the game, I'll be really impressed.
I use E + Gnome
I simply *do not* have problems.
I did have some problems resulting from constantly upgrading gnome since ver 0.20, but when I wiped all old config files, it worked like a charm.
Oh, and the Enlightenment 0.15 RPMs have been rock-solid.
the Trackman Marble uses the same principle, yes. If you open it and run your finger across the little window, your pointer moves.
The concept of using a mouse on your knee or chair arm is nothing new, i set my trackman on my knee all the time. What this new MS mouse does *not* solve is the need for much desktop real estate. The trackman takes no additional space outside of it's actual size. Any mouse that you have to move around will.
Using this mouse on your knee will be a bit kludgey too, since most knees are not likely to be a whole screen's worth in movement.
Oh well, perhaps and improvement on the typical mouse, but certainly not better then the Trackman.
how are you folks reporting it's "fast"? I've just installed the rpm, and it took about 2 minutes to render a local page! slashdot loaded for about 10 before stopping altogether, and I'm on a T1 here... And thats not mentioning the graphical glitches all over the screen, especially after resizing the window. I'm running on a p200, and netscape 4.51 works just as fast as it's windows counterpart, but the only speed improvement I can see with mozilla is in loading time. I hope I'm doing something terribly wrong?