And it was all predicted and expected in advance as well, but to the average person this COC seems reasonable from a common decency perspective, they just dont have any clue its fully weaponized and was intended that way from the beginning.
So much this, it hurts to not have mod points to apply here.
I would suggest that its not by accident people cave to PC pressure, dynamic taboos are a powerful tool when you are not aware they are being used against you. On the surface they can clearly reveal the other persons 'agenda' or intentions but for the average person on the receiving end its difficult to see and respond to unless they are aware of the tactic.
I completely agree, for the average person some of the effects will appear to be an 'unintended consequences' somehow, as in 'how/why did that happen?' but its not unintended, that COC was expressly designed that way on purpose to sound good on the surface but have all the tools built in to control whatever it was aimed at via 'any means necessary'.
If people were pushing for more 'Common Decency' then I expect there would be much less kerfuffle.
Political Correctness is a gross totalitarian tool, its main utility is to shutdown people who dont conform to the dictates of whichever semi random totalitarian asshole feels like abusing for the day.
So a COC much like what was adopted by the linux kernel can be easily (inspite of how it appears to an average person who just unknowingly parrots the 'but it just says to be nice' line), can trivially be used as a cudgel to beat contributors into submission and I dont think it was more than 24 hours before the first person was already being cudgeled in this case like every other I assume.
Does the kernel get forked, one with an non meritocracy COC and the other without such an thing? People who want to contribute to the 'best code' version slowly migrate over and add more support over time and outperforms the PC (Politically Correct) version?
And 'conformist' is the exact right characterization as well, everything else will come second to that totalitarian dictum.
Its a good question, at some point going forward, (assuming the kernel 'just' forks and doesn't self destruct from some contributors revoking their license) people are going to be making a choice between a non-meritocracy version and a more conventional version.
Besides that, I would really like to see what the person who down modded you selected for the reason.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals."
I forget when it started but for some time now when a company like Google, Facebook or Twitter (and a few others i'm sure) and the word 'trusted' is used at the same time, I just assume they are up to something and its probably not good for free speech, individualism or personal responsibility.
Seems like yet another thin edge of the wedge towards us all 'needing to be protected' from ourselves.
From the article: "Our history, linked to the early Internet, teaches us to work with a single mind toward that open, globally-connected, trusted, and secure future. We will turn away from fear and narrow interests. We will not allow this tool of endless potential to be ruined, whether by vandal or greed. We will support and foster new technologies for all humans. We will promote the security and safety of all who connect."
paraphrasing: "trusted and secure for the security and safety of all who connect"
Obligatory CS Lewis quote: Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
Good grief, trunking/peering costs, not costs to end users. Hence the statement about hardly any infrastructure upgrades since the original NN was imposed. As an example of 1, Google stopped rolling out both its fiber and its wireless programs country wide, aggregate reason given was 'couldn't compete' for various reasons, costs, entrenched monopolies, etc etc.
People get hung upon end users and completely forget the other parts of the NN question.
Jump to the wrong conclusions and lash out like children rather than ask for clarification why dont ya.
I have no mod points or I would have selected 'Informative'.
So many layers of this and its very hard to see the forest because all the trees are in the way kind of thing too. Each individual retreat from freedoms may only be small or incremental but over time, generally longer times, you end up with nothing wondering 'how did this happen? who do we blame?'.
The single biggest reason I was happy for the repeal of the imposed NN rules was that there was hardly any big pipe infrastructure being constructed since that time because there was little to no incentive to build since you could not charge larger users more than lesser users.
Which amongst other things along the same lines become barriers to entry for small startups, which dovetail into what you were saying, need so many more lawyers involved just to be 'compliant' with the many thousands of new laws.
But i'm torn because inspite of ~99% of msmash articles being completely no brainer useless waste of everyones time drivel, its useful to juxtapose actual thinking with the drivel so other people can see the difference. As many in this thread have already done by calling the entire article self serving, virtue signalling, bullshit.
Will think about it some more before banishing msmash to the bin.
The general public is barely aware of 1, 2 or 3 companies that have collected and used information from public and private sources because of the left wing faux outrage that Trump was involved with 1 of them.
What are they going to say when they find out its also LinkedIn and Twitter and every other 'free' service and more collecting/scraping/surveying/using/sharing/selling every shred of collected information to sell more advertising and or create relationships for their own purposes.
This was so easy to predict a long long time ago (hence many people have avoided these 'services' since day 1).
But as usual, the real problems are only rising to the top of the attention of the general populace because the abuses have become so commonplace and so extreme.
Still a ways to go before there is a serious pushback though.
And this is just 1 on a pretty large list of live social experiments we have going too, I expect the next few decades to be pretty interesting.
Mark Zuckerberg: 'We believe that we're going to be investigating many apps, tens of thousands of apps. And if we find any suspicious activity we're going to conduct a full audit of those apps to understand how they're using their data and if they're doing anything improper.'
But first we have to support the evil Russian narrative for the overlords, then maybe if you are lucky we'll start being responsible good citizens, maybe, on alternating Tuesdays, during full moons, and leap years, we promise.
If they intend to be truly transparent (doubt it), wouldn't' it be funny if it becomes apparent that the most advertising/content 'meddling' was something other than the evil Russians, and could reveal more than intended?
What a joke. You can't police so called 'hate speech' whatever that is and also protect anything, the more they stick their fingers into things the worse it gets.
Protection of speech means allowing everything and letting us decide for ourselves, we are fully capable of telling the wingnuts and assholes from reasoned discussion.
They are so desperate to control the narrative 'for your protection', its scary. Go ahead and cull the outright incitements to immediate violence but leave the rest and let us decide.
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Its funny how PC types attack the person and not the argument.
And it was all predicted and expected in advance as well, but to the average person this COC seems reasonable from a common decency perspective, they just dont have any clue its fully weaponized and was intended that way from the beginning.
"thats no moon!"
Completely true, see the Overton Window:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
So much this, it hurts to not have mod points to apply here.
I would suggest that its not by accident people cave to PC pressure, dynamic taboos are a powerful tool when you are not aware they are being used against you. On the surface they can clearly reveal the other persons 'agenda' or intentions but for the average person on the receiving end its difficult to see and respond to unless they are aware of the tactic.
I completely agree, for the average person some of the effects will appear to be an 'unintended consequences' somehow, as in 'how/why did that happen?' but its not unintended, that COC was expressly designed that way on purpose to sound good on the surface but have all the tools built in to control whatever it was aimed at via 'any means necessary'.
If people were pushing for more 'Common Decency' then I expect there would be much less kerfuffle.
Political Correctness is a gross totalitarian tool, its main utility is to shutdown people who dont conform to the dictates of whichever semi random totalitarian asshole feels like abusing for the day.
So a COC much like what was adopted by the linux kernel can be easily (inspite of how it appears to an average person who just unknowingly parrots the 'but it just says to be nice' line), can trivially be used as a cudgel to beat contributors into submission and I dont think it was more than 24 hours before the first person was already being cudgeled in this case like every other I assume.
http://nursesarena.com/news/au...
What would be that path forward do you think?
Does the kernel get forked, one with an non meritocracy COC and the other without such an thing? People who want to contribute to the 'best code' version slowly migrate over and add more support over time and outperforms the PC (Politically Correct) version?
And 'conformist' is the exact right characterization as well, everything else will come second to that totalitarian dictum.
You may be the most consistently dishonest person I have ever seen on this forum.
I dont recall you ever showing any shame about it whatsoever and no doubt will double or triple down on your nonsense.
Political Correctness is totalitarian, it is gross, it is evil, and people who engage in it ought to be publicly ridiculed.
Its a good question, at some point going forward, (assuming the kernel 'just' forks and doesn't self destruct from some contributors revoking their license) people are going to be making a choice between a non-meritocracy version and a more conventional version.
Besides that, I would really like to see what the person who down modded you selected for the reason.
Obligatory CS Lewis quote:
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals."
I forget when it started but for some time now when a company like Google, Facebook or Twitter (and a few others i'm sure) and the word 'trusted' is used at the same time, I just assume they are up to something and its probably not good for free speech, individualism or personal responsibility.
Seems like yet another thin edge of the wedge towards us all 'needing to be protected' from ourselves.
From the article:
"Our history, linked to the early Internet, teaches us to work with a single mind toward that open, globally-connected, trusted, and secure future.
We will turn away from fear and narrow interests. We will not allow this tool of endless potential to be ruined, whether by vandal or greed. We will support and foster new technologies for all humans. We will promote the security and safety of all who connect."
paraphrasing: "trusted and secure for the security and safety of all who connect"
Obligatory CS Lewis quote:
Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
A 'financial instrument' based on an unregulated gambling greater fool bubble.
Its too bad we dont have any experience with 'financial instruments' and derivatives in any other unregulated area.
I just can't get past that one, stopped watching about that point, havn't missed it since.
Orville is great though.
Good grief, trunking/peering costs, not costs to end users. Hence the statement about hardly any infrastructure upgrades since the original NN was imposed. As an example of 1, Google stopped rolling out both its fiber and its wireless programs country wide, aggregate reason given was 'couldn't compete' for various reasons, costs, entrenched monopolies, etc etc.
People get hung upon end users and completely forget the other parts of the NN question.
Jump to the wrong conclusions and lash out like children rather than ask for clarification why dont ya.
I have no mod points or I would have selected 'Informative'.
So many layers of this and its very hard to see the forest because all the trees are in the way kind of thing too. Each individual retreat from freedoms may only be small or incremental but over time, generally longer times, you end up with nothing wondering 'how did this happen? who do we blame?'.
The single biggest reason I was happy for the repeal of the imposed NN rules was that there was hardly any big pipe infrastructure being constructed since that time because there was little to no incentive to build since you could not charge larger users more than lesser users.
Which amongst other things along the same lines become barriers to entry for small startups, which dovetail into what you were saying, need so many more lawyers involved just to be 'compliant' with the many thousands of new laws.
Nowhere did I say anything wasn't interesting or was offensive.
I said it was nonsense.
But no matter, if you want me to go, then obviously I should stay. So thanks for making that choice easy.
I didn't know that feature existed, thanks!
But i'm torn because inspite of ~99% of msmash articles being completely no brainer useless waste of everyones time drivel, its useful to juxtapose actual thinking with the drivel so other people can see the difference. As many in this thread have already done by calling the entire article self serving, virtue signalling, bullshit.
Will think about it some more before banishing msmash to the bin.
Yes computers will make more trades and replace some workers in the financial arena, but its not AI, its still good expert systems.
We used to have editors that knew some tech stuff and wouldn't just spam clickbait all the time.
The general public is barely aware of 1, 2 or 3 companies that have collected and used information from public and private sources because of the left wing faux outrage that Trump was involved with 1 of them.
What are they going to say when they find out its also LinkedIn and Twitter and every other 'free' service and more collecting/scraping/surveying/using/sharing/selling every shred of collected information to sell more advertising and or create relationships for their own purposes.
This was so easy to predict a long long time ago (hence many people have avoided these 'services' since day 1).
But as usual, the real problems are only rising to the top of the attention of the general populace because the abuses have become so commonplace and so extreme.
Still a ways to go before there is a serious pushback though.
And this is just 1 on a pretty large list of live social experiments we have going too, I expect the next few decades to be pretty interesting.
Mark Zuckerberg:
'We believe that we're going to be investigating many apps, tens of thousands of apps. And if we find any suspicious activity we're going to conduct a full audit of those apps to understand how they're using their data and if they're doing anything improper.'
But first we have to support the evil Russian narrative for the overlords, then maybe if you are lucky we'll start being responsible good citizens, maybe, on alternating Tuesdays, during full moons, and leap years, we promise.
If they intend to be truly transparent (doubt it), wouldn't' it be funny if it becomes apparent that the most advertising/content 'meddling' was something other than the evil Russians, and could reveal more than intended?
Wouldn't be the first time.
What a joke. You can't police so called 'hate speech' whatever that is and also protect anything, the more they stick their fingers into things the worse it gets.
Protection of speech means allowing everything and letting us decide for ourselves, we are fully capable of telling the wingnuts and assholes from reasoned discussion.
They are so desperate to control the narrative 'for your protection', its scary. Go ahead and cull the outright incitements to immediate violence but leave the rest and let us decide.
AI didn't predict anything, a simple database analysis did.