All Opera did was point out that Microsoft's inclusion of Internet Explorer with Windows-based personal computers is a violation of the same laws that caused Microsoft to fail in that 2004 case, or to put it another way if Windows+Bundled MediaPlayer is a violation then Windows+Bundled Browser must also be a violation. Not a massive jump in logic, particularly when the US Department of Justice had previously come to the exact same conclusion (Windows+Bundled Browser is bad for inovation and compitition). I refer you to:
Both of the above cases where initiated by US interests, so this is not really about some big conspiracy by the EU to protect its own. Also as others in this thread have pointed out to you, Norway is not even part of the EU.
Regarding Mozilla/Firefox. Saying a massive project like this is American is like saying Linux is Finnish. The roots may be from one country but any sufficiently large Open Source project is probably global. Also Mozilla have given out some pretty mixed statements recently regarding this case but on the topic of if bundling has harmed competition they seem to be in full agreement with Opera. Consider the following:
I suspect the slightly contradictory comments coming out of Mozilla are because they see how certain groups of people (such as yourself) have misunderstood Opera and rounded on them and the Mozilla PR team wants to avoid the same fate.
hmm... have you checked out L-Mail? It is great for sending letters to old relatives who don't have email, without all the hassle you outlined. It is also good for writing to companies who still take letters more seriously than email/phone, which is great if you are having problems. It is more expensive if you are sending a letter within your home country (although IMHO the costs are tolerable). If you are sending internationally it is quicker and cheaper.
I thought that someone already forked this long ago because of problems with Joerg Schilling mucking around with the license? Read the wikipedia entry on dvdrtools. In fact, dvdrtools is already a debian package. Why did they need another fork?
Download GNU tar for Windows via Cygwin.
tar --tape-length=4900000 -cvMf backup.tar Folder_To_Backup/
When you are prompted to change media burn the file backup.tar to the first DVD (removing it from its current location), then continue. This will create a new file of the same name (backup.tar), which will actually be part 2. Burn this to DVD and so on, labeling the DVDs accordingly.
To extract:
tar -xvMf/cygdrive/[dvd drive leter]/backup.tar
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Maybe someone will start up a business to issue low value American credit cards to foreigners so they can buy from iTunes.
Actually I believe there are several services already doing this generically, ePassporte for example.
epassporte is no good because when you sign up you have to give you address that is verified (against another card). So although you have a 'US' card it has a non US billing address and iTunes needs the billing address to match the card. Obviously once you give a non US address your cover is blown.
Try yourself. You'll see what I mean. Nice thought though.
For pure web search I find that Yahoo Search is on a par. No doubt because the now own the search technology of Inktomi, AlltheWeb (FAST) and Altavista, through a series of mergers and acquisitions.
Or you could try Teoma (owned by Ask), Exalead (an up and comming French search engine with a number of cool features), GigaBlast (a suprisingly good search built pretty much by one man!) or Wisenut (a search engine owned by Looksmart).
Another good idea is to use one of the Meta search engines. Personally I think Clusty (created by Vivismo) is the best and from your persective has the advantage of not using Google data. Otherwise many people swear by Dogpile (you can switch off Google as a source for results).
Also, many people forget about directories like ODP, which for certain subjects and topics work better than search engines. And whilst on the subject of internet community created resources, more often than not I find the answers I need on good old Wikipedia.
You know it is funny, for a website obsessed with alternative Operating Systems and browsers we don't hear much about alternative ways of finding information. It seems like many people here think the web would impload if Google disappeared. Yeah they are cool and have had some nifty ideas but it is actually suprisingly easy to get by without them.
They are using it for an email service already and have done since 2002. They don't have millions of users but I don't think that should matter as long as they do (and did) provide a viable email service of the same name.
They were using it for a web-mail application targetted at investors in currency derivatives. Since that was 3 years ago and they have a business around it I would hardly call them freeloaders.
Google should have checked this stuff out before rolling aout the name around the world.
After two hours of trying to get it to work under OS X without success, I pretty much gave up.
Opps, sorry!:-( If you ever happen to want to try again check out this. Depending on what other extentions you use you may also be interested in this second article.
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Wow ... you are spectacularly misinformed.
You remember the European Commission's antitrust case against Microsoft in 2004?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_v._Microsoft
All Opera did was point out that Microsoft's inclusion of Internet Explorer with Windows-based personal computers is a violation of the same laws that caused Microsoft to fail in that 2004 case, or to put it another way if Windows+Bundled MediaPlayer is a violation then Windows+Bundled Browser must also be a violation. Not a massive jump in logic, particularly when the US Department of Justice had previously come to the exact same conclusion (Windows+Bundled Browser is bad for inovation and compitition). I refer you to:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft
Both of the above cases where initiated by US interests, so this is not really about some big conspiracy by the EU to protect its own. Also as others in this thread have pointed out to you, Norway is not even part of the EU.
Regarding Mozilla/Firefox. Saying a massive project like this is American is like saying Linux is Finnish. The roots may be from one country but any sufficiently large Open Source project is probably global. Also Mozilla have given out some pretty mixed statements recently regarding this case but on the topic of if bundling has harmed competition they seem to be in full agreement with Opera. Consider the following:
http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2009/02/06/the-european-commission-and-microsoft/
I suspect the slightly contradictory comments coming out of Mozilla are because they see how certain groups of people (such as yourself) have misunderstood Opera and rounded on them and the Mozilla PR team wants to avoid the same fate.
I seriously hope that AMEX doesn't start to provide a 'service' like this soon.
+4, Insightful !?
;-)
Ok, it might have changed but that is what it said just now when I read it. That is funnier than the comment!
With a Bitlbee gateway running on one of your own machines (or even a public gateway) you can use pretty much any IRC client you like!
There is no need to 'stick the knife' in! ;-)
hmm ... have you checked out L-Mail? It is great for sending letters to old relatives who don't have email, without all the hassle you outlined. It is also good for writing to companies who still take letters more seriously than email/phone, which is great if you are having problems. It is more expensive if you are sending a letter within your home country (although IMHO the costs are tolerable). If you are sending internationally it is quicker and cheaper.
I thought that someone already forked this long ago because of problems with Joerg Schilling mucking around with the license? Read the wikipedia entry on dvdrtools. In fact, dvdrtools is already a debian package. Why did they need another fork?
Download GNU tar for Windows via Cygwin.
tar --tape-length=4900000 -cvMf backup.tar Folder_To_Backup/
When you are prompted to change media burn the file backup.tar to the first DVD (removing it from its current location), then continue. This will create a new file of the same name (backup.tar), which will actually be part 2. Burn this to DVD and so on, labeling the DVDs accordingly.
To extract: /cygdrive/[dvd drive leter]/backup.tar
tar -xvMf
What about Trixie.
Actually I believe there are several services already doing this generically, ePassporte for example.
epassporte is no good because when you sign up you have to give you address that is verified (against another card). So although you have a 'US' card it has a non US billing address and iTunes needs the billing address to match the card. Obviously once you give a non US address your cover is blown.
Try yourself. You'll see what I mean. Nice thought though.
Drunk? ;-)
Ahh!
Ok,
Nevermind.
It was pretty good
and your replies were much better!
Yeah..
well..
Fuck it!
you were close,
and a great reply.
Guess it is harder than it looks!
It..
is..
sim-ple.
wrong again,
That's four syllables!
Try counting them one at a time.
Ha!
Ha!
Nice Try
First line wrong,
That's unfortunate,
I so wanted you to be right!
Yeah British food sucks. According to Restaurant magazine in 2005 the UK only has 4 of the top 10 resturants in the world (more than any other country), including the number one resturant in the world.
Use "Mac the Ripper" (yes it really is called that) and Popcorn (by Roxio).
Or you could try Teoma (owned by Ask), Exalead (an up and comming French search engine with a number of cool features), GigaBlast (a suprisingly good search built pretty much by one man!) or Wisenut (a search engine owned by Looksmart).
Another good idea is to use one of the Meta search engines. Personally I think Clusty (created by Vivismo) is the best and from your persective has the advantage of not using Google data. Otherwise many people swear by Dogpile (you can switch off Google as a source for results).
Also, many people forget about directories like ODP, which for certain subjects and topics work better than search engines. And whilst on the subject of internet community created resources, more often than not I find the answers I need on good old Wikipedia.
You know it is funny, for a website obsessed with alternative Operating Systems and browsers we don't hear much about alternative ways of finding information. It seems like many people here think the web would impload if Google disappeared. Yeah they are cool and have had some nifty ideas but it is actually suprisingly easy to get by without them.
Actually on second thought this might be closer to Shiira Tab-Expose.
Looks like the ripped the feature of Omniweb, only without implementing it so well.
I must admit I haven't seen the Firefox interpretation of this yet but it sounds like they just ripped off Omniweb.
The key to the first megaman is beating metal man first. Then everything is easy.
They are using it for an email service already and have done since 2002. They don't have millions of users but I don't think that should matter as long as they do (and did) provide a viable email service of the same name.
Sorry I should have linked to my source. The Register has an article on this with a bit more background.
They were using it for a web-mail application targetted at investors in currency derivatives. Since that was 3 years ago and they have a business around it I would hardly call them freeloaders.
Google should have checked this stuff out before rolling aout the name around the world.
Opps, sorry! :-( If you ever happen to want to try again check out this. Depending on what other extentions you use you may also be interested in this second article.