"Because that's how much it costs to distribute it ultimately?
A "vast distributed system" used to "challenge the record companies" is all well and good as long as you don't put nonfree material on it. Stealing from the record companies is hardly a legitimate way of "challenging" them."
So it really costs so much more to distribute CDs than cassettes? Isn't it amazing how pirated CDs and cassettes are so cheap? I wonder how pirates distribute them. Even after adding the quarter of a cent that actually goes to the artist and other expenses (like billions on advertising), they are still amazingly cheap to produce in a garage. I guess the record company must really have some inept people working for them, hammering out each CD manually. As the internet CLEARLY shows, the real cost of distributing music is really close to NOTHING. These record companies need to recognize this and embrace it in order to succeed, or they will be eventualy be economically punished for attempting to keep their stranglehold on the market. People do not buy CDs. They buy music.
As far as stealing from the companies not being a legitimate way of challenging them, what do YOU suggest we do? Write letters telling them how displeased we are? As if they would give a shit? Remember the law is/for/ the people. When the people change, the law must change, not the other way around. I suppose you would have told Rosa Parks to get her ass up and out? Perhaps you might have mentioned to the founding fathers that all this revolution stuff was actually quite illegal? Before the law can be changed it has to first be/challenged/.
Can Microsoft and the Christian Coalition be any MORE similar? They both have moral superiority complexes. They both have monopolies on their users, and chastise deviants. They both have deep pockets, big mouths, and puppets on Capitol Hill.
I wonder if Ralph will certify Microsoft products "Holiness Approved" and convince members to use only Microsoft products. With any luck Microsoft has just shot itself in the foot by alienating those will any sense left in them.
Is this a joke? Perl for GUI development?! Javascript is just a scripting language...as long as there is an interpreter I can't see how it would not be ideal for cross-platform apps...it's object oriented, very familiar to people/already/ developing web "apps"/sites, and integrates very well with Java. On the other hand, Perl is text formatting and translation brute, which is not object oriented and has syntax very different from languages traditionally chosen to write GUIs in. Personally, I think attempting to do GUI work with Perl is insane. I would not like to inherit that code for maintainence.
My god people, don't you all realize by now that Neal is OBVIOUSLY part of a privacy invasion conspiracy by Big Brother? He is feeding us LIES. Big Brother IS out to get us. Scrutinize your friends and close ones, because THEY might be the next ones, waiting in a dark corner to stab you in the back!
"In conclusion, this "CDs are too expensive" rhetoric is totally bogus. If someone was capable of giving the artist more money and getting the music to consumers for less, we'd see the record companies go out of business."
Pure BS IMO. Who is really able to challenge the record industries with their billions and ubiquitous commercial presence and voice? You really think that I will be able to challenge these guys sending my CDs off to be mass-burned? And how the hell am I going to advertise and distribute my CDs? Just buy a few million dollars worth of TV and ad space, right? CDs ARE too expensive. Why should I pay a $15 buck markup for some plastic disk? I am not buying the disk...I am buying the/music/. I don't really care/what/ medium the music is on as long as I can play it conveniently. Nobody is going to be able to really challenge the record industries with tiny little garage operations. That's insane. Only a vast distributed system like the net/web/napster/gnutella has a hope of compensating for the billions of marketing money the average band doesn't have.
But apparently it is only a/browser/ skin (doesn't skin the mail UI), and doesn't have popup menus which is very annoying...so I have reverted to the uglier but more functional default skin.
We have been programmed by evolution to have a will to live. A machine though wouldn't unless we explicitly program it in. From a will to live come some higher emotions like greed and jealousy, "love", etc. I imagine if there ever is a human-level AI, it would seem very different from us.
Well the Java source is free as in beer. Just go download it when you download the JDK. I've used it several times to figure out what was actually going on behind the scenes. Actually you/cannot/ redistribute the JDK AFAIK...you must only redistribute the JRE.
Get the Sullivan theme from mozillazine's chrome zone or alphanumeric. It makes the browser much more tolerable (although some menus/menu items do nothing).
Well, as speech, code is still under some restrictions. I.e., code can still be restricted to the "national security" clause. Also, if you sign a non-disclosure, saying that you cannot confer any knowledge, I assume that will apply to all forms of speech, including code.
BTW, I am SO not a lawyer... (hope netscape 6 doesn't munge this)
Ok, I downloaded the preview release, which looks basically like a Mozilla nightly build with AOL crap thrown in. The gui is identical. However, upon checking Alphanumeric I see that have a nice new skin called "Sullivan". It makes the browser seem a lot "fresher".
But who said Java/has/ to be the best for everything? I mean that's why we/have/ different languages in the first place! One of the deficits of C++ is that it really IS so flexible that it allows you room to do anything under the sun in any way you want. Sometimes you don't want to have a tool you have to define yourself to use. Sometimes you want something that already has a well defined paradigm. So OO doesn't float your boat - go ahead, DON'T use Java! Nobody is forcing you. I would personally/hate/ to see a Java that is the be all and end all monster of programming languages that allows me to program in any haphazard way I want. If you don't like the tool don't use it. But don't complain that it's hard to bang nails in with a screwdriver.
Damn I wish the moderation system would be revised. As it is I get moderation points when there are only stupid posts and articles around that I don't want to moderate. For months now I've completely abandoned moderating because I simply got a bucket o points when there was nothing interesting around. Hey, how about giving some/constant/ or/renewed/ amount of points that people can use whenever they want.
It's poor AC gems like this I want to moderate up but can't. +1 Informative
I also have a report. There are several groups of people that cause a lot of trouble in school. They gang up to pick on people who aren't like them. While they typically are on the lower end of the grade scale they perennially win the popularity contests to gain positions in government. They are aggressive, belligerent, and violent. They ritually don cultish clothing and beat each other up on fields, and are celebrated for this.
Please, if you see any of these people call the free number so they can get the help they need and can reenter society rehabilitated.
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"Dude, if your car breaks, you can fix it (if you know how and have the tools)."
Funny, because I was just going to make the analogy of Be driving a Batmobile up to your door and giving it away for free. The traditional rhetoric that anybody can fix their car is not exactly accurate...you need specs, and tools. Be may not be giving all the specs and tools for their car away, but damned if I'm going to give up the Batmobile! Sure my "open source" HUMV is a pretty hot beast, but that doesn't mean I'll balk at the Batmobile.
As far as voting with dollars, I think throwing money at Be is probably one of the more ethical choices. I think there's plenty of room for both (well behaved) cathedrals and bazaars, and everything in the continuum between the two.
Ok, so I followed the link for dirt on Poag. I can't say that there is much incriminating there though. There are some OS flames, and some general rudeness, but nothing really out of place. That stuff goes on all the time, and taken out of context they don't really mean much. The only thing I really considered offensive were the two instances of apparent gay bashing, which makes him seem a bit immature. But for the most part the other quotes seem sort of innocuous. So perhaps he's flip, given to colorful language, and has some strong views on things. Anything/other/ than that?
Oh stop being such a curmudgeon! Be is not trying to rip anybody off or screw them with some ulterior proprietary motives. These guys are hardly making any profit (I can't see how they are), they've bent backwards to try to attract and please developers. Come off it. These are a bunch of guys who decided to make a new OS from the ground up, incorporating modern design techniques and trying to escape the cruft of legacy OSs. And I think they've done a _damn_ good job. The reason you should develop for Be? Because the hacker in you wants to play with some new interesting technology. I sure hope that's the reason you work on Linux or BSD. If not, you might as well just go back to being a rank and file code grinder.
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So it really costs so much more to distribute CDs than cassettes? Isn't it amazing how pirated CDs and cassettes are so cheap? I wonder how pirates distribute them. Even after adding the quarter of a cent that actually goes to the artist and other expenses (like billions on advertising), they are still amazingly cheap to produce in a garage. I guess the record company must really have some inept people working for them, hammering out each CD manually. As the internet CLEARLY shows, the real cost of distributing music is really close to NOTHING. These record companies need to recognize this and embrace it in order to succeed, or they will be eventualy be economically punished for attempting to keep their stranglehold on the market. People do not buy CDs. They buy music.
As far as stealing from the companies not being a legitimate way of challenging them, what do YOU suggest we do? Write letters telling them how displeased we are? As if they would give a shit? Remember the law is
Can Microsoft and the Christian Coalition be any MORE similar? They both have moral superiority complexes. They both have monopolies on their users, and chastise deviants. They both have deep pockets, big mouths, and puppets on Capitol Hill.
I wonder if Ralph will certify Microsoft products "Holiness Approved" and convince members to use only Microsoft products. With any luck Microsoft has just shot itself in the foot by alienating those will any sense left in them.
http://www.askjesus.org/ask.cgi?http://microsoft.c om
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Ain't it true though!
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(i'm sorry)
PeaceFire for activism
Is this a joke? Perl for GUI development?! Javascript is just a scripting language...as long as there is an interpreter I can't see how it would not be ideal for cross-platform apps...it's object oriented, very familiar to people /already/ developing web "apps"/sites, and integrates very well with Java. On the other hand, Perl is text formatting and translation brute, which is not object oriented and has syntax very different from languages traditionally chosen to write GUIs in. Personally, I think attempting to do GUI work with Perl is insane. I would not like to inherit that code for maintainence.
My god people, don't you all realize by now that Neal is OBVIOUSLY part of a privacy invasion conspiracy by Big Brother? He is feeding us LIES. Big Brother IS out to get us. Scrutinize your friends and close ones, because THEY might be the next ones, waiting in a dark corner to stab you in the back!
"In conclusion, this "CDs are too expensive" rhetoric is totally bogus. If someone was capable of giving the artist more money and getting the music to consumers for less, we'd see the record companies go out of business."
/music/. I don't really care /what/ medium the music is on as long as I can play it conveniently. Nobody is going to be able to really challenge the record industries with tiny little garage operations. That's insane. Only a vast distributed system like the net/web/napster/gnutella has a hope of compensating for the billions of marketing money the average band doesn't have.
Pure BS IMO. Who is really able to challenge the record industries with their billions and ubiquitous commercial presence and voice? You really think that I will be able to challenge these guys sending my CDs off to be mass-burned? And how the hell am I going to advertise and distribute my CDs? Just buy a few million dollars worth of TV and ad space, right? CDs ARE too expensive. Why should I pay a $15 buck markup for some plastic disk? I am not buying the disk...I am buying the
http://mozillazine.org/chromezone/component.html?c omponent=17
k ins/sullivan/
/browser/ skin (doesn't skin the mail UI), and doesn't have popup menus which is very annoying...so I have reverted to the uglier but more functional default skin.
http://www.alphanumerica.com/projects/mozilla/s
But apparently it is only a
We have been programmed by evolution to have a will to live. A machine though wouldn't unless we explicitly program it in. From a will to live come some higher emotions like greed and jealousy, "love", etc. I imagine if there ever is a human-level AI, it would seem very different from us.
Well the Java source is free as in beer. Just go download it when you download the JDK. I've used it several times to figure out what was actually going on behind the scenes. Actually you /cannot/ redistribute the JDK AFAIK...you must only redistribute the JRE.
follow the instructions at chromezone or at alphanumeric
mozilla.exe/netscp6.exe -chrome chrome://sullivan/content
(looks like the latest nightly build doesn't work with this chrome...don't know why)
Get the Sullivan theme from mozillazine's chrome zone or alphanumeric. It makes the browser much more tolerable (although some menus/menu items do nothing).
Well, as speech, code is still under some restrictions. I.e., code can still be restricted to the "national security" clause. Also, if you sign a non-disclosure, saying that you cannot confer any knowledge, I assume that will apply to all forms of speech, including code.
BTW, I am SO not a lawyer...
(hope netscape 6 doesn't munge this)
Ok, I downloaded the preview release, which looks basically like a Mozilla nightly build with AOL crap thrown in. The gui is identical. However, upon checking Alphanumeric I see that have a nice new skin called "Sullivan". It makes the browser seem a lot "fresher".
Actually the menu says Ctrl+...but none of them combinations seem to work.
But who said Java /has/ to be the best for everything? I mean that's why we /have/ different languages in the first place! One of the deficits of C++ is that it really IS so flexible that it allows you room to do anything under the sun in any way you want. Sometimes you don't want to have a tool you have to define yourself to use. Sometimes you want something that already has a well defined paradigm. So OO doesn't float your boat - go ahead, DON'T use Java! Nobody is forcing you. I would personally /hate/ to see a Java that is the be all and end all monster of programming languages that allows me to program in any haphazard way I want. If you don't like the tool don't use it. But don't complain that it's hard to bang nails in with a screwdriver.
Damn I wish the moderation system would be revised. As it is I get moderation points when there are only stupid posts and articles around that I don't want to moderate. For months now I've completely abandoned moderating because I simply got a bucket o points when there was nothing interesting around. Hey, how about giving some /constant/ or /renewed/ amount of points that people can use whenever they want.
It's poor AC gems like this I want to moderate up but can't. +1 Informative
I also have a report. There are several groups of people that cause a lot of trouble in school. They gang up to pick on people who aren't like them. While they typically are on the lower end of the grade scale they perennially win the popularity contests to gain positions in government. They are aggressive, belligerent, and violent. They ritually don cultish clothing and beat each other up on fields, and are celebrated for this.
Please, if you see any of these people call the free number so they can get the help they need and can reenter society rehabilitated.
He's obviously pointing to himself...
"Dude, if your car breaks, you can fix it (if you know how and have the tools)."
Funny, because I was just going to make the analogy of Be driving a Batmobile up to your door and giving it away for free. The traditional rhetoric that anybody can fix their car is not exactly accurate...you need specs, and tools. Be may not be giving all the specs and tools for their car away, but damned if I'm going to give up the Batmobile! Sure my "open source" HUMV is a pretty hot beast, but that doesn't mean I'll balk at the Batmobile.
As far as voting with dollars, I think throwing money at Be is probably one of the more ethical choices. I think there's plenty of room for both (well behaved) cathedrals and bazaars, and everything in the continuum between the two.
Aaron
Ok, so I followed the link for dirt on Poag. I can't say that there is much incriminating there though. There are some OS flames, and some general rudeness, but nothing really out of place. That stuff goes on all the time, and taken out of context they don't really mean much. The only thing I really considered offensive were the two instances of apparent gay bashing, which makes him seem a bit immature. But for the most part the other quotes seem sort of innocuous. So perhaps he's flip, given to colorful language, and has some strong views on things. Anything /other/ than that?
Oh stop being such a curmudgeon! Be is not trying to rip anybody off or screw them with some ulterior proprietary motives. These guys are hardly making any profit (I can't see how they are), they've bent backwards to try to attract and please developers. Come off it. These are a bunch of guys who decided to make a new OS from the ground up, incorporating modern design techniques and trying to escape the cruft of legacy OSs. And I think they've done a _damn_ good job. The reason you should develop for Be? Because the hacker in you wants to play with some new interesting technology. I sure hope that's the reason you work on Linux or BSD. If not, you might as well just go back to being a rank and file code grinder.
Will you stop jargonizing the goddamn articles...it's really annoying already.
"Hey man, A cube has 8 corners, and 6 sides, punk."
That is what they want you to believe - your education has made you ignorant.