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Measles Cases Top Last Year's Total
An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Wall Street Journal: So far this year there have been 387 confirmed U.S. measles cases, more than 2018's full-year total and the second-largest number since the disease was declared eliminated in 2000 (Warning: source paywalled; alternative source), according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The disease has spread to 15 states in 2019, with six continuing outbreaks of three or more cases each in Washington, New York, New Jersey and California. The development has sparked new policies aimed at boosting inoculation and curbing misinformation about the measles vaccine.
Measles cases have has risen since 2000 as infected travelers bring the disease to the U.S. Those travelers -- unvaccinated foreign nationals or Americans who become infected abroad -- have spread the highly contagious disease to others in the U.S. who aren't vaccinated or hadn't previously had measles. These cases have fueled outbreaks in communities where large numbers of people haven't been inoculated because of personal or religious exemptions to the measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine. The largest growth in infections since measles was eliminated totaled 23 outbreaks and 667 cases in 2014. Last year there were 17 outbreaks and 372 confirmed cases. The number of cases in 2019 could increase in the coming months. Measles is a seasonal disease, with cases rising in late winter and early spring in temperate climates, according to the World Health Organization.
Measles cases have has risen since 2000 as infected travelers bring the disease to the U.S. Those travelers -- unvaccinated foreign nationals or Americans who become infected abroad -- have spread the highly contagious disease to others in the U.S. who aren't vaccinated or hadn't previously had measles. These cases have fueled outbreaks in communities where large numbers of people haven't been inoculated because of personal or religious exemptions to the measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine. The largest growth in infections since measles was eliminated totaled 23 outbreaks and 667 cases in 2014. Last year there were 17 outbreaks and 372 confirmed cases. The number of cases in 2019 could increase in the coming months. Measles is a seasonal disease, with cases rising in late winter and early spring in temperate climates, according to the World Health Organization.
There is something really wrong with people who don't vaccinate. I don't know what it is exactly, but they are not seeing the world clearly.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
Coincidence?
People have experienced bad vaccine batches in all sorts of different medically curable diseases. They have had ill effects and sometimes have caused more harm than good.
Those people are a small minority of the overall number of people who get successfully vaccinated however.
Since we live in the internet age though those vocal few became legions. Their stories got shared and passed on and people who don't really have a lot of experience with good medicine and competent docs and healthcare professionals embraced them without question.
Before people condemn "them" they should take a long cold hard analytical look at themselves. Did you contribute in any small way to it? I don't think anyone could say they had no part, at least not anyone actively participating online, here....at /Â
Your definition of eliminated is different from the the rest of the world. A resurgence can only happen from a non-zero point.
Drivers are required to carry liability insurance in case they hit someone. Shouldn't the unvaccinated also carry liability insurance in case they infect someone?
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"Tempers are wearing thin. Let's just hope some robot doesn't kill everybody." --Bender
Not fake news
The outbreaks in clark county Washington only a couple were vaccinated. It was reported in the local and national news.
This latest outbreak is going to jump start more laws to stop this stupid crap. If you go to a public school I want no exceptions to MMR and DPT except medical ones. Don't like it? Pay for a private school that doesn't care. If that doesn't work, we need to stop the un-vaccinated from going into public places like grocery stores.
Lets clamp down on these jackasses until they can't live in the society without getting the vaccine, or all go live on their own private island.
When an child doesn't have their proper vaccinations and gets a disease that they should be vaccinated against, we need have children's aid take custody of all their kids and send the parents to prison for a very harsh sentence. The charge can be failing to provide the necessities of life. In Canada (where I am), that carries a 5 year sentence. That's a good starting point but I think the US can do better. Life would be good.
This shit just makes me shake my head....all the work and effort and time and money that went into developing vaccines, and these ninnies won't use them.
And it's all because discredited former British doctor (Andrew Wakefield) published a bullshit medical paper claiming that vaccines were unsafe. That's all it took- the morons and dumbshits ate it up and stopped vaccinating their children.
Now we have measles epidemics again, yay.
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
I would, but it's not right to make fun of somebody so mentally disabled.
How about we just don't allow your unvaccinated kids in our schools? Your days are numbered, pal.
How many of these cases originate outside our borders? How many were spread from such infected individuals?
"Anti-vaxxers should not be allowed to have kids"
"Anti-vaxxers have low IQ's"
"I hope they've got money save for their kids funerals"
"Anti-vaxxers fart in the bathtub and bite the bubbles"
"Anti-vaxxers think the menstrual cycle has wheels"
"Anti-vaxxers are ridiculed (and rightly so) because they're ignorant fucktards"
Why was the anit-vaxxer's three year old crying?
Mid-life crisis.
Why is it good to date an anti-vaxxer?
If she gets knocked up, you only pay child support for a few years.
Not vaccinating your child is basically having a very late-term abortion.
Seriously, anti-vaxxers are not just ultra-low IQ they are stupid beyond the ability of IQ to measure. Even if every horrible thing they believe about vaccine were true..WHICH IT ISN'T...vaccine would still be essential. These brainless toads murdering their children do not have a clue what the world was like 70 years ago; far fewer than 50% of live births lived to adulthood because so many children died of these preventable diseases. And many survivors had major disabilities as a result of these disease. The worst demonization of vaccine that these mental microbes can come up with is paradise compared to life before vaccine. The pain and suffering these diseases cause children is horrific, anti-vaxxers are pure evil to their cores for wanting to bring that back.
They aren't "your" schools.
Yes they are our schools, us as in the vast majority who aren’t dumbfucks.
Send your kids to school with the other retards offspring, where you can find out just how fucking stupid you are.
of course they are, schools belong to society, society has rules that the mentally retarded anti vaxxers choose to ignore. Many countries are already banning unvaccinated kids from schools. If you are so committed to your religion then you can home school
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In the context of Darwinism, those who refuse to vaccinate their children (and those who associate with such people) are unfit when it comes to genetic survival. I'm not saying it will be fast or clean but ultimately, this problem will solve itself.
If people don't wise up, I'm pretty sure there will be revenge killing where parents who refused to vaccinate their child are killed by the relatives of a child who died as a result. This could also result in possible sociological solution where doctors enable others to vaccinate children of anti-vaxxers on their own accord. Rights and laws are only honored when they make sense to the general public.
You humans are really silly. You solve a problem and then somehow make it a problem again.
Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
I have run across strong conservatives who are opposed to vaccination
Anyone who catches measles is being punished by God for their wicked ways.
So how many measles are there in a case?
You should start a strawman business.
Who is getting swindled? Are people paying big fees to increase their IQ? Are they joining expensive clubs like Mensa, and then hit with annual dues that they must pay because you can't quit the club?
Also, it is a bit like saying "Height is a swindle." We like to measure things. Yes, IQ is measured by a battery of questions that are limited to a person's ability to recognize patterns or otherwise "see" things that fall into patterns... what makes this "pseudoscientific"? The results of a population of people fall along a bell-shaped curve, with most people in the middle. Most people consistently fall in a certain area of the curve. Where is the swindle? Is it a swindle to point out that different people perform differently on the test? Is it a swindle to find correlations between economic or social factors and how people do on the test? Shhhh! Don't talk about people being different!
Chemicals, eh? Wait until you realize your body is full of poisonous chemicals that your own body created. Hormones, too.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
Russia Madcow has been pushing a stupid conspiracy theory for almost three years on MSNBC. Whereas people who call BS on crap like false flags in Syria or a DNC worker being shot twice in a robbery where nothing is taken are smeared as "conspiracy theorists".
Water is toxic. Please stop ingesting it.
Build the fucking wall!
Just put it into our water lol...
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Some Aussies looked into the reasons last year.
In order of magnitude, antivaccination attitudes were highest among those who
(a) were high in conspiratorial thinking
(b) were high in reactance
(c) reported high levels of disgust toward blood and needles
(d) had strong individualistic/hierarchical worldviews.
In contrast, demographic variables (including education) accounted for nonsignificant or trivial levels of variance.
The Psychological Roots of Anti-Vaccination Attitudes: A 24-Nation Investigation, Hornsey, M. J., Harris, E. A., & Fielding, K. S. Health Psychology (2018)
I don't know what you can do with that, but that's what's wrong with them: Conspriacy theorists who are bolshie, but not from any particular education level or demographic group.
For some reason it has become popular to be paranoid of measles. The human race has survived with measles. I even got the measles in the 1970's here in Canada as a child. What is the paranoia? (I haven't seen such a scare since the swine flu, or sars, or ebola)
BTW I think people should be encouraged with convincing and correct information to be 'immunized', not 'vaccinated'. Otherwise, they may feel demeaned and violated (and will run from the needle.)
I know right? The normal death rate was 30%.... as if 1 in 3 odds are anything to worry about. That's like those wimps that play Russian Roulette with only two bullets in the chamber.
Medicine, who needs it?
Look at me, I'm the sthhole country now.
Measles was eliminated in the United States in 2000. Unless you're going to quarantine the US completely (close all borders, no one gets in or out) you're going to have people getting exposed. Vaccines are the only practical way to prevent it from spreading.
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Can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into. You can deluge anti-vaxxers with an exceptionally polite list of facts and research and it just makes them dig in even more. So what do you do with people that can't be reasoned with?
1) Mocking. The Daily Show had on the lunar conspiracy theorist who got decked by Buzz Aldrin, after he hounded the retired astronaut, accusing him of being a liar and a cheat. After playing the clip of the theorist getting punched, the "reporter" "pointed out" that it looked fake.
2) Give them so much shit in public, all the time every time, that they voluntarily stfu.
Even that won't work, if there's an animal reservoir and/or vector for the disease. That's why it's impossible to completely eradicate bubonic plague, for example.
How is the Riemann zeta function like Trump rallies? Both have an endless number of trivial zeros.
This is the modern survival of the fittest.
ID10T's who think vaccinations are harmful will be removed from the gene pool in a couple of generations.
Unless they infect the minds of others.
Try to prevent them from doing so.
It kind of does if the animals are also vaccinated.
That's how Belgium and Germany eliminated rabies, by spreading vaccinated bait for the foxes.
It is far more difficult to achieve for the plague, though.
"It's such a fine line between stupid and clever" -- David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
Is that a polite way of saying illegal immigrants are bringing diseases into the US? Almost none of them have ever been vaccinated and many crossing the border are already sick. Measles are just one disease that we had nearly eliminated that are coming back now. Coincidence?
Factually what you reflect is the media stupid vault face on everything or jumping on any press release not understanding what is written. The reality is that science in general, no matter what a few tells you about reproducibility or significance criticism, is very very reliable. But the media don't like what they don't understand so you are very likely to read article spreading distrust on expert, or media taking a random idiot and pretending that person is an expert. The end game is people like you distrusting the expert, when in reality without expert you have NOTHING. Same shitty situation as with brexit really, where expert are distrusted "project fear".
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weakest.
Let it continue.
The only infectious human disease we have ever eradicated is smallpox, which was eradicated way back in the 1970s. From an eradication point of view, measles and smallpox are very similar: they are viruses, they are highly infectious, they do not mutate super-fast, they infect only humans, it is obvious when someone has the disease, there is a very effective vaccine. From a technical point of view, eradicating measles is a very similar task to eradicating smallpox.
However, there is one significant difference: measles is a fairly worrying disease, whereas smallpox is absolutely terrifying. This means there hasn't been the social and political will to push an eradication program. If the will did exist, we could wrap it up in about 10 years (wild guess on my part), and then nobody would ever need a measles vaccination ever again. Don't like vaccinations? Push for eradication. Your kids will get the jab, but your grandkids, great-grandkids, etc. forever, will not.
The list of diseases considered eradicable (as of 2008) is quite short. For example, influenza is not - it readily jumps species (so eradication from humans would require vaccinating wild ducks, for example) and it mutates rapidly, so new vaccines are constantly needed.
The list:
Smallpox (eradicated)
Polio (on the verge of eradication, probably 5 to 10 years off)
Dracunculiasis/Guinea worm (on the verge of eradication)
Yaws (on the verge of eradication)
Malaria (eradication still decades away)
Hookworm
Lymphatic filariasis
Measles
Mumps
Rubella
Lymphatic filariasis
Cysticercosis
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We're gonna FORCE everyone to shoot up with CRAZY CHEMICALS!!!??1!!!1!!!! Hallelujah, praise the vax!
Totally full of DHMO. The most deadly chemical known to man, fatal in all forms and its everywhere, completely unregulated. Mobilise the masses, something must be done!
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Pro-vaccine shills, is that another word for "we who hate disease"? Does that make you a pro-disease shill then?!
Interestingly, EVERYONE who got the measles had been vaccinated.
This fact has been suppressed by the mainstream news outlets.
Vaccination isn't the same as immunisation. Hence two completely different words.
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minor annoyance disease
I know, right? It only causes brain inflammation, blindness, seizures and death. Minor issues, really. Just tough it out, pussies!
You could just write “I’ve got a very small dick and no brain”, it would save space and put your message more accurately.
Fucktard.
Move along, go watch cnn
Latin Americans are generally vaccinated (MMR) at a higher rate than people in the USA.
I can tell you that when I looked it up online (google search) I found that Latin American countries had higher reported rates of MMR vaccination of their people than the USA does, by and large.
I don't know who brought measles to the USA (illegals or unvaccinated travellers, or vaccinated travellers who got sick anyway), but looking at the stats, it's more justified for Latin America to bar immigration from the USA to them than vice versa.
Kind of took the wind out of any ideas I may have had about illegal immigrants from Latin America bringing disease to USA. Either exaggerated or not true, more likely driven by racist bigotry than fact, at least when it comes to measles/mumps/rubella.
In fact, given that I have heaps of evidence of racist bigotry, (black people get criminal convictions and far harsher punishments in USA for the *exact same crime* and with the *exact same criminal record* (look it up!)) and no real information about immigrants bringing disease, I'm just going to assume claims of immigrants bringing disease in at larger rates than native spread are more likely racist bigotry than fact. Occam's razor--not guaranteed to be correct, but a good heuristic.
--PeterM
I didn't get the context about the claim that EVERYONE who got the measles had been vaccinated. I know that in some of the outbreaks in the USA right now, they're mostly raging amongst the unvaccinated.
That said, vaccines aren't always perfectly effective. People's immune systems differ. MMR is 97% effective against measles after 2 doses. That means that 3% of people are susceptible despite vaccination.
When you have an insanely contagious disease like measles, which can infect 20 new people for every case in a population that is not immune, you can expect a good amount of cases in VACCINATED people even when they've been vaccinated.
That 3% of the vaccinated, and those who are immunocompromised by, say, antirejection drugs so that they can keep an organ that they've had donated to them, or who are on cancer chemotherapy, must depend on "herd immunity" to protect them from measles.
Herd immunity is the effect that if enough of a population is immune to a disease, it can't spread in the population, and no member of the population is likely to be exposed, ever. For highly contagious measles and with a 97% vaccine effectiveness, herd immunity requires more than 90% of people be vaccinated.
Anti-vaxxers thus put EVERYONE at risk, not just their poor helpless kids who are the primary victims of their parent's negligence of their civic duty to protect both their kids and the nation from disease. This is a big part of the reason that there is such disgust for anti-vaxxer behavior from the rest of us.
--PeterM
Seriously, load up some darts with vaccinations and chase these people down and dart them like you would wildlife. This crap of bringing back sicknesses we already eliminated with vaccinations because "reasons" is for the birds. Either that or throw em out of the country if they don't vaccinate willingly or have a PROPER VALID medical excuse. Autism doesn't count, take your meds.
Which is the best solution?
1) Anti-vaxxers should be educated and their children taken away from them.
2) Anti-vaxxers should be sterilized and their children taken away from them.
3) Anti-vaxxers should be killed and their children taken away from them.
4) Anti-vaxxers should be sent to "the camps" with their children so they can all die of a virus we had eradicated.
No, the normal death rate is about 1 in 100000. But statistics are collected from everyone who died while being infected - but really the cause is the living conditions and health status in general. Those numbers are not relevant to a well-fed and otherwise healthy person in a first world country. Not even remotely.
Yeah, never mind the actual risk of that happening. Just make hyperbolic, misleading statements. That certainly doesn't undermine your accusations of 'misinformation'. You do know that basically every person over the age of 60 has had the measles, right? Where exactly are their horror stories?
There is research showing that those with an allergy to eggs should not get the measles vaccine. The outbreak in NY was started by a Hasidim bringing measles over from Israel and infecting the community. They object to the measles based on religious grounds as it is produced from a raw egg so it is spreading like wildfire. Contamination of the places that members of their community frequent and are shared with outsiders have lead to non-Hasidim who are not vaccinated to become infected.
Funny.... I didn't notice 1/3 of my schoolmates - all of whom caught measles - dying. I must not have been paying close attention....
Citation?
I've seen several articles discussing the current outbreak as happening to people who were not vaccinated in areas where lack of vaccination was more common than normal for the USA as a whole....
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More than that. Everyone over 40 has had the measles. None of us died.
Measles cases have has risen since 2000 as infected third world trash Illegal aliens bring the disease to the U.S.
Fixed.
Replying to myself.
A quick check of Clark County, WA, indicates that of 73 cases reported at the time of the article, 63 were NOT vaccinated, three had had only one vaccination (as opposed to the two that are standard), and the remaining seven were "vaccination status unknown".
So, I repeat, where is the evidence that "EVERYONE who got the measles had been vaccinated"? Evidence seems to support at least 90% NOT vaccinated....
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Dear Idiots of the United States, get your kids vaccinated!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah, never mind the actual risk of that happening.
It's 1 in 10,000.
The rate of an adverse reaction to the MMR vaccine is about 1 in 6,000,000. And most of those are allergic reactions that are very treatable and do not cause life-long harm.
There have been two deaths caused by the MMR vaccine. Ever. One was an advanced leukemia patient, who decided to risk the vaccine because of their risk of catching the disease due to morons like you. One was a baby, and the parents didn't authorize sharing their information.
If you are unable to understand the difference between 1 in 10,000, 1 in 6,000,000 and 2 in 2,500,000,000, you should not be making the medical decisions for anyone.
You do know that basically every person over the age of 60 has had the measles, right? Where exactly are their horror stories?
In your local graveyard.
More than that. Everyone over 40 has had the measles
Nope. I'm 45, never had measles. 'Cause I got vaccinated.
It's almost like you don't actually know the history of the thing you're talking about...
Facts and logic were never an antivax strength.
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Just because you're a nuke fluffer doesn't mean that the no nukes is antiscientific: that's just a nonsequitur, the generic fallacy. You paint it as unscientific and yours as scientific so as to avoid having to have a reason for you and not listen to theirs.
Nukes are expensive. To build. To maintain and to decommission. Their failure mode is so catastrophic that only government taxpayers will be required to pay the bills, which is never considered into the cost.
Nukes are failures. Capitalism requires "maximising 'shareholder value'", so corners WILL be cut because those living with the risks are not the ones profiting from this cutting.
Nukes are pushed by rose tinted myopics. The failures were all due to bad old designs, they're not like that. And when the next one goes critical, since it doesn't happen often, is now an "old design, the new ones won't fail like that" again, and it continues without stint. They are claimed to be 90% effective, yet that figure is only for the USA, where they take out expected, planned outages from the availability, so that is 90% of the ~16/7 operation yet implied to be 24/7 operation. And that figure falls down to the ~60% average of the rest of the world when new designs are used to tally, since the failure modes are not known with new designs, only older ones. Making this antithetical to the "the old designs are different, the new ones are perfectly safe!" mantra. The old unsafe ones are "up" 90% of the time, but if you can't use the old ones because they specifically are unsafe, then you can't use their capacity factors either, you have to use the new ones. Which is around 60%.
And if you whinge that it's only expensive because of NIMBYs and eco warriors, listen to the whinging about the "dangers of wind turbines", killing birds, causing cancer and "ruining the landscape", all run by NIMBYs who REFUSE to accept renewables they can see in "their backyard".
The affluent can afford expensive education, and their connections help them get a leg up and a cushy job. Despite being thick as a yard of lard. See Trump.
Frequently the argument against is political, financial and nothing to do with science, so it isn't anti scientific any more than which brand of cereal you choose is based on antiscience, no matter which one you choose (since you have to choose NOT to have another, with no scientific reason why all of them should not be your fav). You proclaim your case so that you don't have to support your own. Like flat earthers claiming the globers are part of the conspiracy or theists insist that atheists hate god, because when they do so, they no longer have to listen to the arguments those others are making, they can ignore it and make up ones they can berate.
Need a cite for that increase in rates since illegals being tied to the illegals' increasing numbers. Will be especially hard since the number of illegals has been going down, as a % of population, fairly consistently.
The parent poster said no such thing. Just that an education is partial and covers very little of the full panorama of human knowledge.
Water? Fish fuck in it!
You do know that basically every person over the age of 60 has had the measles, right? Where exactly are their horror stories?
In your local graveyard.
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Unless you're going to quarantine the US completely (close all borders, no one gets in or out)
Don't tempt them. I'm pretty sure that's a desirable outcome for a vocal minority of the US population who like simplistic solutions that are clearly not thought all the way through.
Water is toxic. Please stop ingesting it.
No, water is known to the state of California to cause cancer.
it's large power structures encouraging a general distrust of science. Mega corporations fight climate change science. You've got Young Earth creationists railing against evolution and claiming the ark flood happened. And to this day people believe in trickle down economics crap like the Laffer curve and the "Job Creator" narrative.
A lot of very wealthy people are spending a ton of money to convince people that science doesn't work so we won't listen to those pesky scientists because if we did we'd cost those wealthy people an awful lot of money...
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For their right to get sick, I hope it kills them
Cancer dies if you don't give it water.
NPR tells me the immigrants streaming over the border are all way more vaccinated than the Americans are.
Which is just one of those weird things like the US is the most racist country in the world but is flooding with foreigners who are super vaccinated.
The mind wobbles.
Well, that would explain the autism...
Lies, damned lies, and statistics
somebody is playing Plague Inc IRL
On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.
LEARN THE TRUTH:
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This year, approximately 40 children will DIE or be Crippled by
the "MMR" vaccine.
When the likelihood of dying from a vaccine is higher than the
likelihood of dying of the disease, *It's not an "anti-vaxxer"
conspiracy, it's a NIH cover-up.
Measles was eliminated in the United States in 2000.
I hear this meme a lot. The CDC reported 216 cases of measles in the U.S. from 2001-2003. Roughly 1 in 5 of those were of "unknown" origin (i.e., they couldn't find evidence to pin the case on an external source).
That's certainly a puzzling definition of "eliminated" -- it seems more along the lines of "Mission Accomplished" in Iraq than any sort of statistical reality.
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