That is of course, pending a compiler for ATI cards - but I don't think it will be long... Unless ATI holds out for OpenGL2 - but in between now and when OGL2 comes out there is a lot of time to lose maket share to Nvidia because people are writing all of their shaders in Cg - and ATI is getting left out in the rain....
So I would expect ATI to jump on this bandwagon - and quick!
From Nvidia's Homepage you can check out the press releases and find this:
"NVIDIA's Cg Compiler is also cross platform, supporting programs written for Windows®, OS X, Linux, Mac and Xbox®."
So maybe even though the tools aren't cross platform - the compiler is. I think this is a Great step forward towards OpenGL 2.0 - this is showing that Windows doesn't have to be the only platform to write graphically intensive applications for.
What are you talking about?? Nvidia makes great linux drivers - and from looking through the pages it looks to me like Cg just outputs regular OpenGL (Well - Nvidia-OpenGL anyway) so I would venture a guess that any of these will run just fine on the nvidia linux drivers.
My only problem is that the toolkit itself is only for windows:-(
Anyone try it with Wine/Winex yet?? I might when I get home.
I played the beta (all of the versions) extensively (even though I wasn't an official "Beta Tester":-)
I can say that this game is of course better than most - while at the same time the multiplayer is not as much fun as Starcraft (IMO) - it looks like the single player experience is going to be great. I love the way they incorporated Diablo things into the game (scroll of town portal even!) - and you get to do some RPG style stuff with your heroes - all of this leeads to a better single player experience.
But like I say - the multiplayer just isn't all that incredible. Once you learn the nuances of the different races (including their vulnerabilities) the games are always over very quickly - and are pretty unsatisfying (no long campaigns against eachother like starcraft - no HUGE battles either).
On the other hand there are more tactic style things to do in this game - but I don't think the interface is setup well enough that you can really get into it (such as no way to make your troops march in certain formations).
But I will probably buy it anyway - if for nothing else than the single player experience.
And now we see the true reason NWN's Gold announcement was rushed out the door earlier this week (including barely any beta process and no Linux support in the box).
They just had to get it out before people started getting their WarcraftIII addiction going!
I was going to say the same thing - the way it checks the MD5s of any ebuild files it downloads during its AUTOMATIC process against the ones stored on ibiblio is just cool.
I hope they implement some sort of PGP keychain in the future though - it would be very easy to do - and add even more trust/security.
I was just getting ready to say the exact same thing!
Just to add a little more to your statement though: Gentoo can use RPMs directly (try "rpm --nodeps") also - and you can manage them just like you can on any other RPM distro. But the great thing about Gentoo is that you don't have to wait for an RPM package!
Anyone who is using linux on a desktop machine should try this distro - I guarantee you will like it. (I personally came from Slack myself and will never go back).
The page you are viewing right now exists to show off what can be accomplished with pure CSS1 and a little teeny piece of CSS2 (specifically, the hover effects on hyperlinks). Remember: as you look this demo over, there is no Javascript here, nor are any PNGs being used, nor do I employ any proprietary extensions to CSS or any other language. It's all done using straight W3C-recommended markup and styling, all validated, plus a total of four (4) images. Unfortunately, not every browser supports all of CSS1, and only those browsers which fully and completely support CSS1 will get this right. According to my tests, that's Netscape 6.x (which also means Mozilla 0.8 and later) and Internet Explorer 5.x for the Macintosh.
That quote (from your link) says it all people. Don't listen to the guy trying to say that Moz/NN6+ aren't good at rendering CSS.
Now your asking yourself "Why The F&*( does this guy need good mouse support for minesweeper?" - It all has to do with the middle button baby. Without that sucker Minesweeper blows and Win3.1 didn't support the middle button very well (if at all - you had to load your mouse's proprietary software).
Get Linux with KDE3 if you want a great minesweeper!
But of course it wouldn't have been possible without the popularity of the first 2. And, even back when it was 2d only, it still got a lot of heat about the amount of violence it contained.
The difference is that there isn't a "microsoft.slashdot.org" like there is an "apple.slashdot.org".
They HAVE to have the different categories or nothing makes sense on the apple site.
I do agree however that in the filter portion there should be a way to just say NO to apple stuff and it will filter out everything Apple.
Derek
Re:Two years ahead of the "other guys"
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(IANAMU - I am not a mac user)
The only thing I have to say about this is that Microsoft is doing the exact same thing with their next windows release - dubbed "Longhorn". The gui is going to be accelerated by your graphics card using the 3d features of your card. This will (no doubt) use Direct3d instead of OpenGL but it serves the same purpose.
So your argument is invalidated because both sides are doing the same thing - Apple just happened to beat them to the punch, and I , for one, applaud them for it.
I am about 3/4 of the way through the article so far - and I just have to say that it feels good for someone outside of the Free Software community to "Get It". It seems as if this congressman truly understands the principles upon which Free Software are grounded. This is something that has long eluded many other people in the world, and it is nice to see that these ideals are starting to have an effect.
This letter, is almost written as a "Declaration of Independence". It is about a country trying to free itself from the shackles of an institution located many miles away. He even mentions several times: "transnational companies" - companies from other areas of the world who could potentially hold power over the State.
This is a huge win for Free Software - I highly recommend that whether you like Microsoft or not you give this letter a read - it is truly enlightening.
Under the new Sun liscensing all schools get Star Office for free- so I am very sure that Sun would be more than happy to give you several CD's with their best copy of SOffice 6 on it:-)
I don't think this is true at all. I personally play A LOT of games - and attend a lot of lan parties - and I have linux taking up 3/4 of my 30GB drive with games.
Games I play in linux: Quake3 RTCW Tribes2 CounterStrike Simc ity3000 Kohan Max Payne (now!) Unreal Tournament TonhyHawk 3 Baldur's Gate2
All of these games run perfectly (well, maybe barring a little menu corruption in CounterStrike) - and they all run with great FPS. In fact, I refuse to play Quake3 in anything other than Linux. The acceleration of the mouse in linux is perfect and I get BETTER FPS than I do in windows. (For reference I have a 1.2GHz Tbird with a Geforce3TI500).
Linux has come a long way this year - as far as gaming goes. It is getting easier and easier to setup your 3dcard (something that used to be a chore), and the games are running at breakneck speeds.
Don't diss it until you try it - I would guess you haven't SERIOUSLY ever tried to switch - if you had you wouldn't be saying things like "installing Quake 3 under Linux was less than simple"
Quake3 has the easiest install ever - it is even graphical - just like the windows version. If it is difficult for you to hit the "Next" button 3 times then you shouldn't be in linux in the first place.
Will I need to reinstall Windows or does it get by without any reliance on Windows binaries?
No, in fact it really can't even be made to use a Windows install (like regular wine can). There are ways of FORCING it, but that is beside the point.
So, no, you won't need windows at all.
Derek
IT WORKS PERFECTLY!!!
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Holy shit!
It is perfect! I was playing in 1024x768x32 and it is flawless. Everything is there, sound, FPS, movies, everything is just as it is in Windows! In fact I think it even loaded the levels faster than it does in windows - very cool.
Seriously, on the FPS side, I couldn't tell a bit of difference from playing it in windows. This is on a 1.2Ghz Tbird with 512MB of RAM and a Geforce3TI500 using the newest nvidia drivers (2880).
It even installed perfectly and added itself to my kde desktop/menu.
Great job transgaming!
Time to try some more games!
Derek
Re:Using it right now!!!
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I agree - that's why I use Gentoo in the first place.
And you have to use --nodeps in a non-rpm distro - because there isn't a database of installed rpms (because there are none!). I always do it without the nodeps first and then look at the dependency list it spits out and make sure I have everything (which, using Gentoo, I almost always do - and everything is ALWAYS up to date so I dont have to worry about versions)
I have personally never used an RPM based distro (went from slack to gentoo) - and from what I hear that is a good thing(tm)!
Slashdot Mirror
Did you see the screenshots of the toolkit??? They were previewing effects IN REAL-TIME! That would save anyone a load of time.
What you said is basically like saying - "I don't need a C++ debugger for linux as long as I have my trusty compiler!"
That may be correct for small/medium projects - but we all know that debuggers (like gdb) save us loads of time.
Derek
"If it means you don't have to waste your time writing *two* shaders (one for DX, and other for OpenGL) then that is a GOOD THING."
/ OpenGL
Even better then that! It means you don't have to waste your time writing *4* shaders:
Nvidia/DirectX
Nvidia/OpenGL
ATI/DirectX
ATI
That is of course, pending a compiler for ATI cards - but I don't think it will be long... Unless ATI holds out for OpenGL2 - but in between now and when OGL2 comes out there is a lot of time to lose maket share to Nvidia because people are writing all of their shaders in Cg - and ATI is getting left out in the rain....
So I would expect ATI to jump on this bandwagon - and quick!
Derek
From Nvidia's Homepage you can check out the press releases and find this:
"NVIDIA's Cg Compiler is also cross platform, supporting programs written for Windows®, OS X, Linux, Mac and Xbox®."
So maybe even though the tools aren't cross platform - the compiler is. I think this is a Great step forward towards OpenGL 2.0 - this is showing that Windows doesn't have to be the only platform to write graphically intensive applications for.
Derek
What are you talking about?? Nvidia makes great linux drivers - and from looking through the pages it looks to me like Cg just outputs regular OpenGL (Well - Nvidia-OpenGL anyway) so I would venture a guess that any of these will run just fine on the nvidia linux drivers.
:-(
My only problem is that the toolkit itself is only for windows
Anyone try it with Wine/Winex yet?? I might when I get home.
Derek
I played the beta (all of the versions) extensively (even though I wasn't an official "Beta Tester" :-)
I can say that this game is of course better than most - while at the same time the multiplayer is not as much fun as Starcraft (IMO) - it looks like the single player experience is going to be great. I love the way they incorporated Diablo things into the game (scroll of town portal even!) - and you get to do some RPG style stuff with your heroes - all of this leeads to a better single player experience.
But like I say - the multiplayer just isn't all that incredible. Once you learn the nuances of the different races (including their vulnerabilities) the games are always over very quickly - and are pretty unsatisfying (no long campaigns against eachother like starcraft - no HUGE battles either).
On the other hand there are more tactic style things to do in this game - but I don't think the interface is setup well enough that you can really get into it (such as no way to make your troops march in certain formations).
But I will probably buy it anyway - if for nothing else than the single player experience.
Derek
And now we see the true reason NWN's Gold announcement was rushed out the door earlier this week (including barely any beta process and no Linux support in the box).
They just had to get it out before people started getting their WarcraftIII addiction going!
Derek
Problem with that....
What do you think "make uninstall" does??? A WHOLE BUNCH OF rm -f! That command doesn't exist just so people can talk about it on slashdot....
Derk
I was going to say the same thing - the way it checks the MD5s of any ebuild files it downloads during its AUTOMATIC process against the ones stored on ibiblio is just cool.
I hope they implement some sort of PGP keychain in the future though - it would be very easy to do - and add even more trust/security.
Derek
Just like I thought there is already an e-build for mozilla 1.0.
I am compiling it as I type (using konqi meanwhile).
Derek
And an IRC chat client that I think is VERY top notch.
Go grab it now!
Derek
Just go to gentoo.org I bet the 1.0 source ebuild will be up tonight and I will download and build and install in one fail swoop:
emerge mozilla
And it will be compiled with MY build options that I have compiled my ENTIRE system with.
Derek
I was just getting ready to say the exact same thing!
Just to add a little more to your statement though: Gentoo can use RPMs directly (try "rpm --nodeps") also - and you can manage them just like you can on any other RPM distro. But the great thing about Gentoo is that you don't have to wait for an RPM package!
Anyone who is using linux on a desktop machine should try this distro - I guarantee you will like it. (I personally came from Slack myself and will never go back).
Derek
The page you are viewing right now exists to show off what can be accomplished with pure CSS1 and a little teeny piece of CSS2 (specifically, the hover effects on hyperlinks). Remember: as you look this demo over, there is no Javascript here, nor are any PNGs being used, nor do I employ any proprietary extensions to CSS or any other language. It's all done using straight W3C-recommended markup and styling, all validated, plus a total of four (4) images. Unfortunately, not every browser supports all of CSS1, and only those browsers which fully and completely support CSS1 will get this right. According to my tests, that's Netscape 6.x (which also means Mozilla 0.8 and later) and Internet Explorer 5.x for the Macintosh.
That quote (from your link) says it all people. Don't listen to the guy trying to say that Moz/NN6+ aren't good at rendering CSS.
Good god....
YES - I have played GTA3 - yes I do agree this is one major reason for this bill.
All I was trying to say was that GTA - even in its most simplistic forms (1 and 2) cause a huge uproar in the media.
That's it - nothing more, nothing less.
Derek
Yes it was - but one thing has changed....
_Mouse Support_
Now your asking yourself "Why The F&*( does this guy need good mouse support for minesweeper?" - It all has to do with the middle button baby. Without that sucker Minesweeper blows and Win3.1 didn't support the middle button very well (if at all - you had to load your mouse's proprietary software).
Get Linux with KDE3 if you want a great minesweeper!
Derek
Right.....
But of course it wouldn't have been possible without the popularity of the first 2. And, even back when it was 2d only, it still got a lot of heat about the amount of violence it contained.
Derek
It is funny how much of an impact a simple 2d game named Grand Theft Auto can have on the world.
Derek
The difference is that there isn't a "microsoft.slashdot.org" like there is an "apple.slashdot.org".
They HAVE to have the different categories or nothing makes sense on the apple site.
I do agree however that in the filter portion there should be a way to just say NO to apple stuff and it will filter out everything Apple.
Derek
(IANAMU - I am not a mac user)
The only thing I have to say about this is that Microsoft is doing the exact same thing with their next windows release - dubbed "Longhorn". The gui is going to be accelerated by your graphics card using the 3d features of your card. This will (no doubt) use Direct3d instead of OpenGL but it serves the same purpose.
So your argument is invalidated because both sides are doing the same thing - Apple just happened to beat them to the punch, and I , for one, applaud them for it.
Derek
Completely agree,
I am about 3/4 of the way through the article so far - and I just have to say that it feels good for someone outside of the Free Software community to "Get It". It seems as if this congressman truly understands the principles upon which Free Software are grounded. This is something that has long eluded many other people in the world, and it is nice to see that these ideals are starting to have an effect.
This letter, is almost written as a "Declaration of Independence". It is about a country trying to free itself from the shackles of an institution located many miles away. He even mentions several times: "transnational companies" - companies from other areas of the world who could potentially hold power over the State.
This is a huge win for Free Software - I highly recommend that whether you like Microsoft or not you give this letter a read - it is truly enlightening.
Derek
Under the new Sun liscensing all schools get Star Office for free- so I am very sure that Sun would be more than happy to give you several CD's with their best copy of SOffice 6 on it :-)
Derek
I don't think this is true at all. I personally play A LOT of games - and attend a lot of lan parties - and I have linux taking up 3/4 of my 30GB drive with games.
c ity3000
Games I play in linux:
Quake3
RTCW
Tribes2
CounterStrike
Sim
Kohan
Max Payne (now!)
Unreal Tournament
TonhyHawk 3
Baldur's Gate2
All of these games run perfectly (well, maybe barring a little menu corruption in CounterStrike) - and they all run with great FPS. In fact, I refuse to play Quake3 in anything other than Linux. The acceleration of the mouse in linux is perfect and I get BETTER FPS than I do in windows. (For reference I have a 1.2GHz Tbird with a Geforce3TI500).
Linux has come a long way this year - as far as gaming goes. It is getting easier and easier to setup your 3dcard (something that used to be a chore), and the games are running at breakneck speeds.
Don't diss it until you try it - I would guess you haven't SERIOUSLY ever tried to switch - if you had you wouldn't be saying things like "installing Quake 3 under Linux was less than simple"
Quake3 has the easiest install ever - it is even graphical - just like the windows version. If it is difficult for you to hit the "Next" button 3 times then you shouldn't be in linux in the first place.
Derek
Will I need to reinstall Windows or does it get by without any reliance on Windows binaries?
No, in fact it really can't even be made to use a Windows install (like regular wine can). There are ways of FORCING it, but that is beside the point.
So, no, you won't need windows at all.
Derek
Holy shit!
It is perfect! I was playing in 1024x768x32 and it is flawless. Everything is there, sound, FPS, movies, everything is just as it is in Windows! In fact I think it even loaded the levels faster than it does in windows - very cool.
Seriously, on the FPS side, I couldn't tell a bit of difference from playing it in windows. This is on a 1.2Ghz Tbird with 512MB of RAM and a Geforce3TI500 using the newest nvidia drivers (2880).
It even installed perfectly and added itself to my kde desktop/menu.
Great job transgaming!
Time to try some more games!
Derek
I agree - that's why I use Gentoo in the first place.
And you have to use --nodeps in a non-rpm distro - because there isn't a database of installed rpms (because there are none!). I always do it without the nodeps first and then look at the dependency list it spits out and make sure I have everything (which, using Gentoo, I almost always do - and everything is ALWAYS up to date so I dont have to worry about versions)
I have personally never used an RPM based distro (went from slack to gentoo) - and from what I hear that is a good thing(tm)!
Derek