Just right click (and hold) and drag diagnally up/right. Now you have 4 new options which correspond to most the things you want to do with tabbed windows...
Up = New Tab Right = Next Tab Down = Close Tab Left = Last Tab (Tab to the left)
After surfing with this for just the past 10 minutes I can already tell that it is a feature that I will not be able to surf without ever again.
It is EMENSELY powerful when you combine it with tabs. Using it to close tabs and surf back and forth through tabs is a breeze and really saves on the mouse wrist gemnastics.
Enlightenment does come with a "task manager" - try loading up it's "icon box". This is a small bar that does just what a task manager does - if you minimize a program it goes into your "icon box" and you can retrieve it by clicking on it (or dragging its icon to the desired location - including into the pager so it can show up on another desktop;-)
Enlightenment is an incredible WM - but I have switched full time to KDE now. I am a C++/QT programmer so it only makes sense.....
All I was trying to say is go support a company that supports us. I get tired of hearing all the ATI people screeming about how nvidia's drivers are open source - and it pisses me off sometimes.
We scream and scream for hardware vendors to support us - and then when they do, but it's not exactly what we want - WE SCREAM LOUDER!
This has to stop! If we keep going this way we are going to make every company in the world dread creating linux drivers.
In short, be happy with what you get - and support people who support you.
Nvidia's linux support has been top notch - their drivers are always up to speed (both in terms of speed and ability) with their windows drivers. There is no other hardware company out there with that kind of dedication.
ATI does NOTHING to support open source. What the hell are you talking about? All of the open source drivers you see for the ATI cards are done by people in their free time wih ZERO help from ATI.
Proof in point - THE WEATHER CHANNEL - is picking up the bill to design open source drivers for the Radeon 8500. That right there should tell you something.
NVIDIA does more to support open source just by releasing drivers for an open source platform! Wihthout them gaming in linux would be even more bleak than it is now.
I am using Mozilla 1.1Beta on Gentoo Linux and I can see all of the sites you list above perfectly. And I mean perfectly - absolutely no glitches (even all the car ones)
It could be because I am using the crossover plugin - but I just don't know.
Maybe you should try out the newest mozilla, it seems to be extremely compatible.
The reason they dont cost less is you are STILL PAYING for windows - and Dell still pays microsoft for that computer!
I kid you not! This is just Dell trying to get back into our good graces. It is all a PR stunt - "Look we don't like M$ either!!!!" as they hand MS money under the table.
Don't take this as a win for all of us alternative OS people. M$ is still getting their cash in spite of being found a monopoly.
I'm doing some consulting this summer for a company in my home town, and they have a VERY odd fortran implementation.
It grew out of an old fortran (formatted type - probably f60 or so) program that was written by some guys in germany for calculating the size and price of heat exchangers. This company I work for has since decided it needed to have a web front end for this program and had a couple of engineers (this is the first problem - NEVER have plain vanilla engineers write code!) come up with a 'solution'.
What they have now is a mess of ASP pages using VB dll's to call a Fortran 60/77/90 and C++ conglomerate program that ultimately writes ASP (yes! directly out of the fortran). All of this interfaces with multiple databases stored on both an AS400 and a Dell/Windows machine.
IT IS A HUGE FREAKING MESS!! I was brought in to clean it up - and redo all the pricing. I have done what I can - but short of a total rewrite it is not going to get much better.
Fortran needs to die a horrible death. It is soooooooooo ugly to look at and decipher (all of this code didn't even have branching statements in it - it just had a TON of GOTO's !!!).
I guess I don't understand how full disclosure can equate to a shakedown.
The company (snosoft) seems like a more or less legit research company, and the fact that they have a full disclosure policy in no way says that they are trying to take out companies. It just says, up front, that they have a policy of disclosing these security breaches that they find.
On the other hand they have to make money somehow - so they contract out their services to companies who wish to have their software audited.
I could be wrong, but by looking through their posts on security focus, I don't think they are out to extort money from companies - and this is especially true if they gave HP a year to fix this problem (in fact if that is true then you should REALLY stick it to the top brass).
It could go either way - but it doesn't look like they are in the business of extortion. And the fact that they have been around for a while, and seem to be respected in the security community says quite a lot....
ON THE OTHER HAND.... I don't see how it is in any way shape or form right for HP to sick the DMCA on them, no matter what their business practices are. This is a vulnerability in HPQ's software and should not be treated with such arrogance (don't report it or else!).
the last thing you want to do is try to figure out why the hell you're KDE-enabled App won't run on a machine with only Gnome libraries
Wha? This isn't even a function of X! This has nothing to do with X at all. If you want to say X sucks - that's fine, provide some examples. But just spouting off shit makes you look like an idiot.
Regardless of whether you use X or Aqua or even WINDOWS you still have to have all the libraries installed for whatever app you want to run. Don't you remember the days of installing the visual basic runtimes in windows because some shareware app didn't work??
This is a universal problem with dynamically linked libraries, the only way to get around it is to hard link and that creates HUGE programs - which is not very conducive to the linux theory of "download everything" - and is very wasteful of hardrive space.
Next time you want to bash an established (and working!) standard - why don't you try to come up with some better examples.
Ok, looking it up now - it appears that x0rfb just exports the current desktop - meaning it will run alongside my nvidia server - interesting. I would check it out except now I dont have too because I can just use KDE:-)
Thanks for the tip though - I might use it on machines I don't have kde on.
But I don't want to use "x0rfbserver" - I want to use my nvidia server so I can have accelerated graphics - or are the 2 not mutually exclusive (and if not - how does that work?).
KRfb: NEW IN KDE: VNC-compatible server to share KDE desktops Remote Desktop Connection (KRdc): NEW IN KDE: VNC-compatible client
Now you don't have to have a seperate instance of KDE running with the vncserver - you can share your CURRENT desktop just like you can with Windows and vnc. This is mucho cool - I will use it often!
Have been looking forward to this - thought it was going to be a while before we got it. Nice to see they are still making a lot of progress after the 3.0 release.
PS: keramik kicks a$$
Derek
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As a new developer for KDE I can completely understand your point of view. Just last week I decided it was time to just dig my heels in and learn to use kdevelop and QT. I am already very fluent in C++ and loathe C (let's not start a fight, these are just my feelings towards the languages) so I thought KDE and QT would make a perfect fit.
It took me about 2 days of hunting a pecking to get it right, and hopefully here in the next couple of weeks I am going to write a complete, up to date tutorial for beginners with kdevelop. My largest problem was trying to understand how QT designer fit into the project, and how to get ui files to place nicely with everything else.
My suggestion on learning this stuff is to go to www.trolltech.no . TrollTech's docs on QT3 are great. I started off just reading about QT and going through the tuturials that DONT use QT designer - that finally clued me in enough to what was happening to be able to write some lines in Kdevelop (BTW - I never use the default class that is created by the wizard - it just doesn't make sense, I do, however, leave it there for now) - and get some basic GUI stuff up and running.
Then from there I just used the kdevelop docs (in the books tab - if you don't have them, you need to get them!!! They are great!). There was one document that said "Using QT designer with kdevelop" or something like that - and that happened to be just the little nudge in the right direction that I needed - and now I am almost done with my first app and will probably be releasing it next week. (It is a graphical front-end to Gentoo's rc-update program for anyone interested).
Just keep looking through google - and just tell yourself your not going to stop looking until you figure it out and you will get there. The rewards are definitely worth it!
Derek
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You must own an ATI card...
Go get yourself an nvidia card and you will have OGL2 within a week or two of the windows version (or maybe sooner).
People bash nvidia for releasing closed drivers - but they should really be praised for even considering it in the first place.
That it took 3 weeks for SBC to install a simple "run-of-the-mill" phoneline in my apartment (hell - it was already installed - all they had to do was turn it on!) - I could see suing them.
We went 3 weeks without any way to contact emergency services whatsoever! That is piss poor.
And the only reason they can get away with it is that they have a monopoly in our area - so what the fuck are we supposed to do about it?
Really?? I could have sworn I saw a BSD story hit the frontpage a day or two ago. FreeBSD 4.6, I think, had come out.
Slashdot has always had a more pro linux stance - thus them getting incorporated into the Open Source Development Network (OSDN). That said, I think they report pretty fairly. It is hard for me to believe that BSD has a larger user base than linux, and since linux is "all the rave" right now it should be understandable that there would be more stories on it - just as there were more news stories on BSD before linux came out....
Derek
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I hate reading posts like this from people who have no clue and didn't follow the community for the last three or so years like some of us did.
The reason people are upset with no linux binary is because THEY SAID THERE WOULD BE ONE. In fact even stores thought there would be one, so people ACTUALLY PUT MONEY DOWN ON A LINUX VERSION!!
This is like Nintendo promising Mario for the Genesis - going so far as to say it hundreds of times - and have it on their webpage - announce in stores that mario for the genesis was coming so you had better preorder now - thousands of peole "buying" it - and then nintendo saying "Nah, we don't feel like it any more"
DONT COMMENT ON THINGS YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT!
I am a linux gamer - but I am NOT that upset over this whole thing. I am buying the game tomorrow (already preordered at Gamestop) - and will be dual booting - then when the binary comes out I will use that in linux.
"but I doubt as many people are breathlessly awaiting the next update to Gentoo"
ACTUALLY.....
Since the next iteration of Gentoo (1.3) will be a complete rehaul in order to use GCC3 - there are MANY people waiting breathlessly (myself included). Actually I think Gentoo development is a LOT more interesting that kernel development. My kernel already does most everything I need it to do - while my OS is lacking (slightly).
Actually to me that looks pretty good - they are still in the red but they are steadily climbing out of it. Their one-time expenditures for every year have gone down - meaning they are being more cautious (which is necessary in this market climate).
I don't think it looks ALL that bad - but certainly not great. There are a lot of other companies in worse predicaments than this....
Slashdot Mirror
Pie menus do make it easier to navigate tabs.
Just right click (and hold) and drag diagnally up/right. Now you have 4 new options which correspond to most the things you want to do with tabbed windows...
Up = New Tab
Right = Next Tab
Down = Close Tab
Left = Last Tab (Tab to the left)
I find this very quick and easy to use.
Derek
After surfing with this for just the past 10 minutes I can already tell that it is a feature that I will not be able to surf without ever again.
It is EMENSELY powerful when you combine it with tabs. Using it to close tabs and surf back and forth through tabs is a breeze and really saves on the mouse wrist gemnastics.
This is a great tool! Thanks mozilla!
Derek
Actually....
;-)
Enlightenment does come with a "task manager" - try loading up it's "icon box". This is a small bar that does just what a task manager does - if you minimize a program it goes into your "icon box" and you can retrieve it by clicking on it (or dragging its icon to the desired location - including into the pager so it can show up on another desktop
Enlightenment is an incredible WM - but I have switched full time to KDE now. I am a C++/QT programmer so it only makes sense.....
Derek
Troll????
I don't know about that....
All I was trying to say is go support a company that supports us. I get tired of hearing all the ATI people screeming about how nvidia's drivers are open source - and it pisses me off sometimes.
We scream and scream for hardware vendors to support us - and then when they do, but it's not exactly what we want - WE SCREAM LOUDER!
This has to stop! If we keep going this way we are going to make every company in the world dread creating linux drivers.
In short, be happy with what you get - and support people who support you.
Nvidia's linux support has been top notch - their drivers are always up to speed (both in terms of speed and ability) with their windows drivers. There is no other hardware company out there with that kind of dedication.
LOL for calling me a troll.
Derek
Actually,
Intel ALREADY licensed x86-64. This is one of the reasons that Yamhill (Intel's x86-64) might be happening.
Read any (good - unlike this one) preview of the opteron and they almost always mention this fact.
Derek
WTF????
ATI does NOTHING to support open source. What the hell are you talking about? All of the open source drivers you see for the ATI cards are done by people in their free time wih ZERO help from ATI.
Proof in point - THE WEATHER CHANNEL - is picking up the bill to design open source drivers for the Radeon 8500. That right there should tell you something.
NVIDIA does more to support open source just by releasing drivers for an open source platform! Wihthout them gaming in linux would be even more bleak than it is now.
Now shut your pie hole and go buy an nvidia card.
Derek
Hmmm....
I am using Mozilla 1.1Beta on Gentoo Linux and I can see all of the sites you list above perfectly. And I mean perfectly - absolutely no glitches (even all the car ones)
It could be because I am using the crossover plugin - but I just don't know.
Maybe you should try out the newest mozilla, it seems to be extremely compatible.
Derek
Actually I'm pretty sure that Activision does most of their stuff.
Derek
Very good points.
I, for one, hope your right - and some time in the not so distant future dell decides to ship linux on it's pcs (it already does on servers).
It would be a grand day to see someone like Dell shipping linux - I would buy 4 immediately!
Derek
The reason they dont cost less is you are STILL PAYING for windows - and Dell still pays microsoft for that computer!
I kid you not! This is just Dell trying to get back into our good graces. It is all a PR stunt - "Look we don't like M$ either!!!!" as they hand MS money under the table.
Don't take this as a win for all of us alternative OS people. M$ is still getting their cash in spite of being found a monopoly.
Derek
I'm doing some consulting this summer for a company in my home town, and they have a VERY odd fortran implementation.
It grew out of an old fortran (formatted type - probably f60 or so) program that was written by some guys in germany for calculating the size and price of heat exchangers. This company I work for has since decided it needed to have a web front end for this program and had a couple of engineers (this is the first problem - NEVER have plain vanilla engineers write code!) come up with a 'solution'.
What they have now is a mess of ASP pages using VB dll's to call a Fortran 60/77/90 and C++ conglomerate program that ultimately writes ASP (yes! directly out of the fortran). All of this interfaces with multiple databases stored on both an AS400 and a Dell/Windows machine.
IT IS A HUGE FREAKING MESS!! I was brought in to clean it up - and redo all the pricing. I have done what I can - but short of a total rewrite it is not going to get much better.
Fortran needs to die a horrible death. It is soooooooooo ugly to look at and decipher (all of this code didn't even have branching statements in it - it just had a TON of GOTO's !!!).
Just thought I would share my experience......
Derek
Bruce,
I guess I don't understand how full disclosure can equate to a shakedown.
The company (snosoft) seems like a more or less legit research company, and the fact that they have a full disclosure policy in no way says that they are trying to take out companies. It just says, up front, that they have a policy of disclosing these security breaches that they find.
On the other hand they have to make money somehow - so they contract out their services to companies who wish to have their software audited.
I could be wrong, but by looking through their posts on security focus, I don't think they are out to extort money from companies - and this is especially true if they gave HP a year to fix this problem (in fact if that is true then you should REALLY stick it to the top brass).
It could go either way - but it doesn't look like they are in the business of extortion. And the fact that they have been around for a while, and seem to be respected in the security community says quite a lot....
ON THE OTHER HAND.... I don't see how it is in any way shape or form right for HP to sick the DMCA on them, no matter what their business practices are. This is a vulnerability in HPQ's software and should not be treated with such arrogance (don't report it or else!).
Just my $.02
Derek
the last thing you want to do is try to figure out why the hell you're KDE-enabled App won't run on a machine with only Gnome libraries
Wha? This isn't even a function of X! This has nothing to do with X at all. If you want to say X sucks - that's fine, provide some examples. But just spouting off shit makes you look like an idiot.
Regardless of whether you use X or Aqua or even WINDOWS you still have to have all the libraries installed for whatever app you want to run. Don't you remember the days of installing the visual basic runtimes in windows because some shareware app didn't work??
This is a universal problem with dynamically linked libraries, the only way to get around it is to hard link and that creates HUGE programs - which is not very conducive to the linux theory of "download everything" - and is very wasteful of hardrive space.
Next time you want to bash an established (and working!) standard - why don't you try to come up with some better examples.
Derek
Ok, looking it up now - it appears that x0rfb just exports the current desktop - meaning it will run alongside my nvidia server - interesting. I would check it out except now I dont have too because I can just use KDE :-)
Thanks for the tip though - I might use it on machines I don't have kde on.
Derek
But I don't want to use "x0rfbserver" - I want to use my nvidia server so I can have accelerated graphics - or are the 2 not mutually exclusive (and if not - how does that work?).
Derek
From the 3.1 feature plan:
KRfb:
NEW IN KDE: VNC-compatible server to share KDE desktops
Remote Desktop Connection (KRdc):
NEW IN KDE: VNC-compatible client
Now you don't have to have a seperate instance of KDE running with the vncserver - you can share your CURRENT desktop just like you can with Windows and vnc. This is mucho cool - I will use it often!
Derek
Have been looking forward to this - thought it was going to be a while before we got it. Nice to see they are still making a lot of progress after the 3.0 release.
PS: keramik kicks a$$
Derek
As a new developer for KDE I can completely understand your point of view. Just last week I decided it was time to just dig my heels in and learn to use kdevelop and QT. I am already very fluent in C++ and loathe C (let's not start a fight, these are just my feelings towards the languages) so I thought KDE and QT would make a perfect fit.
It took me about 2 days of hunting a pecking to get it right, and hopefully here in the next couple of weeks I am going to write a complete, up to date tutorial for beginners with kdevelop. My largest problem was trying to understand how QT designer fit into the project, and how to get ui files to place nicely with everything else.
My suggestion on learning this stuff is to go to www.trolltech.no . TrollTech's docs on QT3 are great. I started off just reading about QT and going through the tuturials that DONT use QT designer - that finally clued me in enough to what was happening to be able to write some lines in Kdevelop (BTW - I never use the default class that is created by the wizard - it just doesn't make sense, I do, however, leave it there for now) - and get some basic GUI stuff up and running.
Then from there I just used the kdevelop docs (in the books tab - if you don't have them, you need to get them!!! They are great!). There was one document that said "Using QT designer with kdevelop" or something like that - and that happened to be just the little nudge in the right direction that I needed - and now I am almost done with my first app and will probably be releasing it next week. (It is a graphical front-end to Gentoo's rc-update program for anyone interested).
Just keep looking through google - and just tell yourself your not going to stop looking until you figure it out and you will get there. The rewards are definitely worth it!
Derek
You must own an ATI card...
Go get yourself an nvidia card and you will have OGL2 within a week or two of the windows version (or maybe sooner).
People bash nvidia for releasing closed drivers - but they should really be praised for even considering it in the first place.
Derek
I'm putting mine up as I type!
I have been waiting for this!
Thanks, Bioware! Now get that client out!
Derek
That it took 3 weeks for SBC to install a simple "run-of-the-mill" phoneline in my apartment (hell - it was already installed - all they had to do was turn it on!) - I could see suing them.
We went 3 weeks without any way to contact emergency services whatsoever! That is piss poor.
And the only reason they can get away with it is that they have a monopoly in our area - so what the fuck are we supposed to do about it?
$0.02
Derek
Really?? I could have sworn I saw a BSD story hit the frontpage a day or two ago. FreeBSD 4.6, I think, had come out.
Slashdot has always had a more pro linux stance - thus them getting incorporated into the Open Source Development Network (OSDN). That said, I think they report pretty fairly. It is hard for me to believe that BSD has a larger user base than linux, and since linux is "all the rave" right now it should be understandable that there would be more stories on it - just as there were more news stories on BSD before linux came out....
Derek
I hate reading posts like this from people who have no clue and didn't follow the community for the last three or so years like some of us did.
The reason people are upset with no linux binary is because THEY SAID THERE WOULD BE ONE. In fact even stores thought there would be one, so people ACTUALLY PUT MONEY DOWN ON A LINUX VERSION!!
This is like Nintendo promising Mario for the Genesis - going so far as to say it hundreds of times - and have it on their webpage - announce in stores that mario for the genesis was coming so you had better preorder now - thousands of peole "buying" it - and then nintendo saying "Nah, we don't feel like it any more"
DONT COMMENT ON THINGS YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT!
I am a linux gamer - but I am NOT that upset over this whole thing. I am buying the game tomorrow (already preordered at Gamestop) - and will be dual booting - then when the binary comes out I will use that in linux.
Derek
"but I doubt as many people are breathlessly awaiting the next update to Gentoo"
ACTUALLY.....
Since the next iteration of Gentoo (1.3) will be a complete rehaul in order to use GCC3 - there are MANY people waiting breathlessly (myself included). Actually I think Gentoo development is a LOT more interesting that kernel development. My kernel already does most everything I need it to do - while my OS is lacking (slightly).
$0.02
Derek
Actually to me that looks pretty good - they are still in the red but they are steadily climbing out of it. Their one-time expenditures for every year have gone down - meaning they are being more cautious (which is necessary in this market climate).
I don't think it looks ALL that bad - but certainly not great. There are a lot of other companies in worse predicaments than this....
Derek