Some of us are busy and when we stop to check our tech news sites and email, it would be nice if they would tell us if the 'doomsday bug' is running around, or if Tokyo just fell...
I've run GNOME 1.4 on my 166 pre-MMX with 80mb ram under some different Linuxes and BSDs, and if you make your own.xsession and just start what you want, it isn't bad at all. Did you know that GNOME is also customizable? Never tore into customizing more than the panel, I'm an fvwm2 guy...
On Nautilus, the only thing that I have run into (16 or 18 month old release) is that if for convenience I want to launch Nautilus as root, it can eat FAT32 partitions for breakfast (now I can only see the partition from Linux:( ) I don't know if this is something that has been fixed, or if the developers would say 'Don't run it as root you dummy'...
Look, if you need to drag and drop files (organize that mp3 collection), it's a real nice tool...
Read "The Mythical Man-Month" by Frederick P. Brooks, Jr. All will become clear.
While it is true that one person on a project can be cheaper, if it is not a one-man job, things have to scale up dramatically. Everyone involved has to spend time communicating, which one person does not have to deal with working alone. Also there is the perception that the more people work on a project, the more attention will be paid to scheduling, productivity, planning time, etcetera, meaning better results on the scheduling and budget ends. Why are you surprised that jumping in and lowballing a quote doesn't guarantee winning the contract? Of course, maybe somebody else had some juice with the company, and you were politically shut out...
My only complaint with RedHat is NO SPARC/ULTRA PORT. A PPC, SPARC/ULTRA, and MIPS port would be a good thing, heck they could compile it on a Debian box...
Net/OpenBSD and Debian have the portability market cornered. Doesn't anyone care about running the same OS on all your machines? I guess you can look at it as a 'right tool for the right job' situation...
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I set the TweakUI to X windows focus behaviour, much better:)
Only it would be retarded to do it on every box...
I used joe for quite a while, picked it up from the Linux Installation-HOWTO in Slackware, and it was the only editor I knew in the *nix world.
I read the emacs tutorial and got the source and win32 binary and started using it religiously on all machines. I could even Yank. I dropped my machine to its knees by running the emacs www browser add-on and watching my swap file go right up to the top and overflow...
But the first time you are working with a clean install of *BSD etcetera on a Helen Keller machine that can't communicate with the outside world except through monitor, keyboard, and vi (WA WA), you're going to type 'man vi'. YOU ARE GOING TO USE THE VI, my friend! And once you get networking going you will sup -S -v, and/usr/pkgsrc/editors/vim/make fetch-list | sh and never look back...
The Win32 Vim is the kewlest too, and it word-wraps without cludging your ANSI document, unlike the Notepad/Wordpad/Word combo. And it doesn't ask you if you really want to save without all the precious.doc formatting three times...
Stupid troll can't make any distro work except Mandrake. Where is the insight? He probably reinstalls from scratch every two days because it won't boot into X anymore...
I recently moved from a Herder of PC Techs/Shit Sandwich Taste Tester/Comforter of Upper Management/Diaper Changer of Computer Infants/Small Town Corporate Sales job at a white-box system builder to IT Manager of a library system. I have an assistant to handle the printer jams and show people how to maximize the window 'that disappeared'.
I teach basic computer skills to the public for free in 1.5 hour hands-on seminars, I filter problems with our Automation System (database) before forwarding to the Datacenter, and am Master of the LAN for our county's main library and five branches. I have two T1s coming into my office, and one going to each branch. I have shell accounts into each of our Datacenter's 4-way big-ass Sun servers, and have one Win2k server and several Linux servers on my LAN.
I stay busy, but only because I have watched customers with similar positions screw everything up for five years, and I know what our LAN should run like. The person I replaced had a 'plug it in and walk away' policy. For example, in six months I have reorganized the wire closets in all locations (except one where I am waiting on maintenance to put up some shelving), mapped the LAN from every NIC to every jump across fiber etc to the router, moved the wireless access points and NICs to run encryption, disabled file and printer sharing on all but two PCs (whose apps require it), have begun installing and updating antivirus software, am in the process of cleaning up logins so that more staff uses generic 'group' logins for easier management, have installed simple software that prevents patrons from breaking Windows on our public PCs, have finally won the political battle to move all staff to POP mail and off of our Telnet-based message system, where staff that don't have a dedicated PC can use our Web interface email client, and begun a policy that anytime we touch a PC, we check the fans, scandisk, defrag, clean up drivers, install updates, put in more RAM etc. I find it very fulfilling and view myself as an 'enabler', my job is to empower the staff and our patrons by making sure stuff works and budgeting wisely enough to provide room to help them with any special projects.
Every year I pay about 12% of my income into retirement, and about 22% of what I make is actually what ends up in retirement thanks to matching funds. I don't know how long I'll be here, but I'm learning a lot and have even more projects going than I listed here. Everyone depends on me and I take a lot of pride in keeping ~175 machines up and running on a budget of ~50k a year.
Big desktop-replacement notebooks suck. I have a 1GHZ w/ 15.7" display, 20gb, burner, dvd, GeForce... It was new in the box on my desk when I got my new job. It turns the tops of my legs into pot roast (four hours at 300 degrees - done). It is friggin heavy (teetering it on the end of a roll of carpet sitting on end in a wire closet plugging a serial cable into that damn switch that keeps dropping the fiber link is not for the faint of heart). You can't carry on a conversation over the fan if you have a big-deal high-res X server running. The battery lasts about an hour and a half, would be longer if it wasn't so hot and the fan wasn't running... Try setting it on the palm of one hand and paging through setup screens on a router up on a ladder with the other hand, that lasts about 59 seconds...
For web, mail, html, serial connection into network gear etc what the hell do you need all that stuff for? An awful Cyrix laptop with Opti controller etc will run Abiword, pine, minicom, and Links Gui. Or Win2k. People that want to play QuakeIII on a 22 inch Mitsubishi at 1600 and 200 fps are not solar panel people, dude... I built my previous version of my website on a P100 Compaq with 11' display, old Slackware, OpenLook and gnotepad+, sitting on my couch. It just depends what type of user you are...
For instance, how could I continue to collect every x86 OS ever made without a cd burner, gtk-gnutella and broadband? That would not work with solar. And then there's my wife's 60-degrees-in-summer 90-degrees-in-winter thermostat settings...
Amazing how a simple Google search is always more informative than a Slashdot story... Hmmm... I think I used to just read news.cnet.com and it was real journalism...
You are so much smarter than the Turbolinux coders, the investors, and the companies that sell Turbolinux preinstalled on their servers (IBM, Gateway, Compaq, HP, NEC, Hitachi, Fujitsu, SGI...)
You should get a cookie! You probably are certified A+ !
Can you feel the heat around you?
fdisk3hs
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Turbolinux is dead, eh? Then why is their distribution preinstalled on servers from these manufacturers:
IBM x135, xSeries Gateway Compaq Proliant HP (duh) tc2110 rc7100 NEC Hitachi Fujitsu SGI
They are also working with these manufacturers to customize code in the kernel and various apps to increase performance / reliability under heavy load under specific configurations for specific applications.
This whole discussion is absurd, don't think it's time to retire the Turbolinux icon yet, Captain Burrito.
Google search Turbolinux+preinstalled+server would give you a free clue, but then what would everyone do with all their spare time...
Why aren't you people coding?
BTW I was using Turbolinux as a desktop before I relegated the machine to more mundane tasks, and describing the distro as 'horrible' is just silly. I actually found it much more flexible at install time than Slackware (in 2.2.x days), although with the five-disk-Slack install now there are lots of module options etc...
Home users trolling about what is largely a server distribution is again, silly (slaps your wrist)...
Seriously, Dirk Gently quotes aside, that is one of the more intelligent and well thought-out posts I've seen on Slashdot for quite a while. Why is that?
Oh well, at least Peru gets free stuff. I hope it works out better for them than my Gates Foundation 'we'll give you a server with 5 CALS, can we put you down for 120 on this order form?' experience. BTW, I had to get a MS Passport account TO BUY THE LICENSES (I can't get over the humiliation)...
Anyone else notice that this entire 'review' failed to mention if this chipset is for AMD, Pentium 4, or Motorola 68040 processors? The Tom's Hardware review briefly mentions that it is an AMD board...
It depends on your environment... I am the IT Manager for a county-wide library system with six locations. We have about 180 machines, seven T1s, etc. We are using 95, 98, NT4, 2000, and XP. We can't afford a three year rollover here, especially with the economy (~10% budget cut last month). I am looking at rotating about 15% - %20 of my machines a year (that means keeping them for five or six years). I am not even, however, going to try to run the newest commercial OS on those '95 native boxes! The fact is, every network bigger than a few machines is going to be extremely homogeneous. I have a 2k server, four Linux servers, and if things go the way they look, I will probably convert the oldest of the machines (which are just internet browsing PCs for the public) to a Unix-like free OS just so I can put the newest browsers on them (IE6 doesn't run on '95, I believe). The only problem with that is, the patrons will want to be able to run software for Windows computers on those systems, and won't be able to (my job is to ENABLE my users to do what they want/need to do), I will have to make them work with my Win2k print server (or set up a CUPS machine), etc. I have to admit, opinion-wise, that I hate XP, although it came installed on my new laptop and I just shrunk the partition to allow for other OSs. I am surprised, though, to find that a lot of the automatic, resource hogging 'features' that I have discovered in XP are also hiding in the same places in 2000 (which I have used since Beta3 at home). I have other things to do besides reading 'XP registry tweaks in depth' or something... Like some of the other posters have said, most larger organizations can't replace everything and roll out a new platform every two years, it just won't happen. But as my budget shrinks and my Pentium I's age, MS trying to squeeze more licensing dollars out of me like blood from a rock is just going to push me toward solutions that will allow my 5 to 6 year rotation to work. Look at Sun, you can run Solaris 9 on pre-Ultra machines. Apple may be worse than MS for the long haul, we are experimenting with using old Motorola 68k machines with NetBSD for good old telnet dummy terminals to search our catalog. But of course, there is a time when you are nose-high in ten year old technology and it's time to recycle, but I know libraries aren't the only organizations squeezing the IT Dollar. I would love for a MS rep to tap dance and glad hand me, so I could show him the receipts for my CALs and Pro licenses and tell him I can't afford any more, call me next year...
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My GeForce2Go runs under NetBSD just fine with this
XF86Config
You probably have to change the mouse to the FreeBSD name for the console mouse...
BTW, I use fbdev under Linux because I believe the laptop runs cooler and the battery holds up longer. Here is the XF86Config-4
Haven't tried any games, I'm sure the nVidia driver is better for that...
Some of us are busy and when we stop to check our tech news sites and email, it would be nice if they would tell us if the 'doomsday bug' is running around, or if Tokyo just fell...
Redundancy is the key, don't you know ANYTHING?
lr
I've run GNOME 1.4 on my 166 pre-MMX with 80mb ram under some different Linuxes and BSDs, and if you make your own .xsession and just start what you want, it isn't bad at all. Did you know that GNOME is also customizable? Never tore into customizing more than the panel, I'm an fvwm2 guy...
:( ) I don't know if this is something that has been fixed, or if the developers would say 'Don't run it as root you dummy'...
On Nautilus, the only thing that I have run into (16 or 18 month old release) is that if for convenience I want to launch Nautilus as root, it can eat FAT32 partitions for breakfast (now I can only see the partition from Linux
Look, if you need to drag and drop files (organize that mp3 collection), it's a real nice tool...
Just one word, guys:
EMACS!!!!!!!!
Read "The Mythical Man-Month" by Frederick P. Brooks, Jr. All will become clear.
While it is true that one person on a project can be cheaper, if it is not a one-man job, things have to scale up dramatically. Everyone involved has to spend time communicating, which one person does not have to deal with working alone. Also there is the perception that the more people work on a project, the more attention will be paid to scheduling, productivity, planning time, etcetera, meaning better results on the scheduling and budget ends.
Why are you surprised that jumping in and lowballing a quote doesn't guarantee winning the contract? Of course, maybe somebody else had some juice with the company, and you were politically shut out...
My only complaint with RedHat is NO SPARC/ULTRA PORT. A PPC, SPARC/ULTRA, and MIPS port would be a good thing, heck they could compile it on a Debian box...
Net/OpenBSD and Debian have the portability market cornered. Doesn't anyone care about running the same OS on all your machines? I guess you can look at it as a 'right tool for the right job' situation...
I set the TweakUI to X windows focus behaviour, much better :)
Only it would be retarded to do it on every box...
No offense to retards...
I used joe for quite a while, picked it up from the Linux Installation-HOWTO in Slackware, and it was the only editor I knew in the *nix world.
/usr/pkgsrc/editors/vim/make fetch-list | sh and never look back...
.doc formatting three times...
I read the emacs tutorial and got the source and win32 binary and started using it religiously on all machines. I could even Yank. I dropped my machine to its knees by running the emacs www browser add-on and watching my swap file go right up to the top and overflow...
But the first time you are working with a clean install of *BSD etcetera on a Helen Keller machine that can't communicate with the outside world except through monitor, keyboard, and vi (WA WA), you're going to type 'man vi'. YOU ARE GOING TO USE THE VI, my friend! And once you get networking going you will sup -S -v, and
The Win32 Vim is the kewlest too, and it word-wraps without cludging your ANSI document, unlike the Notepad/Wordpad/Word combo. And it doesn't ask you if you really want to save without all the precious
He wanted the booth guy to blow in his nappy ear because of his big 'client'. Toot your own horn cheese head.
Stupid troll can't make any distro work except Mandrake. Where is the insight? He probably reinstalls from scratch every two days because it won't boot into X anymore...
MOD HIM DOWN.
TROLL.
KILL.
BAD MODERATOR. NO DONUT.
It is not in the story. Do you mean it was sold for $1mill or what? Scooped the story quick, but I'm skeptical of that figure.
LR
Duh, the poster didn't say it's dead, it just got sold to another company...
I would have thought they were worth more than $1 mill though...
Esp. with them being in bed with IBM so much that they have built different versions of their server distro for different IBM server platforms...
Time to Babel that article...
I recently moved from a Herder of PC Techs/Shit Sandwich Taste Tester/Comforter of Upper Management/Diaper Changer of Computer Infants/Small Town Corporate Sales job at a white-box system builder to IT Manager of a library system. I have an assistant to handle the printer jams and show people how to maximize the window 'that disappeared'.
I teach basic computer skills to the public for free in 1.5 hour hands-on seminars, I filter problems with our Automation System (database) before forwarding to the Datacenter, and am Master of the LAN for our county's main library and five branches. I have two T1s coming into my office, and one going to each branch. I have shell accounts into each of our Datacenter's 4-way big-ass Sun servers, and have one Win2k server and several Linux servers on my LAN.
I stay busy, but only because I have watched customers with similar positions screw everything up for five years, and I know what our LAN should run like. The person I replaced had a 'plug it in and walk away' policy. For example, in six months I have reorganized the wire closets in all locations (except one where I am waiting on maintenance to put up some shelving), mapped the LAN from every NIC to every jump across fiber etc to the router, moved the wireless access points and NICs to run encryption, disabled file and printer sharing on all but two PCs (whose apps require it), have begun installing and updating antivirus software, am in the process of cleaning up logins so that more staff uses generic 'group' logins for easier management, have installed simple software that prevents patrons from breaking Windows on our public PCs, have finally won the political battle to move all staff to POP mail and off of our Telnet-based message system, where staff that don't have a dedicated PC can use our Web interface email client, and begun a policy that anytime we touch a PC, we check the fans, scandisk, defrag, clean up drivers, install updates, put in more RAM etc.
I find it very fulfilling and view myself as an 'enabler', my job is to empower the staff and our patrons by making sure stuff works and budgeting wisely enough to provide room to help them with any special projects.
Every year I pay about 12% of my income into retirement, and about 22% of what I make is actually what ends up in retirement thanks to matching funds. I don't know how long I'll be here, but I'm learning a lot and have even more projects going than I listed here. Everyone depends on me and I take a lot of pride in keeping ~175 machines up and running on a budget of ~50k a year.
Big desktop-replacement notebooks suck. I have a 1GHZ w/ 15.7" display, 20gb, burner, dvd, GeForce... It was new in the box on my desk when I got my new job. It turns the tops of my legs into pot roast (four hours at 300 degrees - done). It is friggin heavy (teetering it on the end of a roll of carpet sitting on end in a wire closet plugging a serial cable into that damn switch that keeps dropping the fiber link is not for the faint of heart). You can't carry on a conversation over the fan if you have a big-deal high-res X server running. The battery lasts about an hour and a half, would be longer if it wasn't so hot and the fan wasn't running... Try setting it on the palm of one hand and paging through setup screens on a router up on a ladder with the other hand, that lasts about 59 seconds...
For web, mail, html, serial connection into network gear etc what the hell do you need all that stuff for? An awful Cyrix laptop with Opti controller etc will run Abiword, pine, minicom, and Links Gui. Or Win2k. People that want to play QuakeIII on a 22 inch Mitsubishi at 1600 and 200 fps are not solar panel people, dude...
I built my previous version of my website on a P100 Compaq with 11' display, old Slackware, OpenLook and gnotepad+, sitting on my couch. It just depends what type of user you are...
For instance, how could I continue to collect every x86 OS ever made without a cd burner, gtk-gnutella and broadband? That would not work with solar. And then there's my wife's 60-degrees-in-summer 90-degrees-in-winter thermostat settings...
Lincoln
Amazing how a simple Google search is always more informative than a Slashdot story...
Hmmm...
I think I used to just read news.cnet.com and it was real journalism...
What the hell,
Good bye.
fdisk3hs
My argument is that you were agreeing that Turbolinux is getting out of the US, which clearly is not the case and is FUD. See my top post.
They are not getting out of the US, BSD is not dead, Slackware is not dead, but you are a trolling dumbass.
Are you warm enough? See my top post.
You are so much smarter than the Turbolinux coders, the investors, and the companies that sell Turbolinux preinstalled on their servers (IBM, Gateway, Compaq, HP, NEC, Hitachi, Fujitsu, SGI...)
You should get a cookie!
You probably are certified A+ !
Can you feel the heat around you?
fdisk3hs
Turbolinux is dead, eh? Then why is their distribution preinstalled on servers from these manufacturers:
IBM x135, xSeries
Gateway
Compaq Proliant
HP (duh) tc2110 rc7100
NEC
Hitachi
Fujitsu
SGI
They are also working with these manufacturers to customize code in the kernel and various apps to increase performance / reliability under heavy load under specific configurations for specific applications.
This whole discussion is absurd, don't think it's time to retire the Turbolinux icon yet, Captain Burrito.
Google search Turbolinux+preinstalled+server would give you a free clue, but then what would everyone do with all their spare time...
Why aren't you people coding?
BTW I was using Turbolinux as a desktop before I relegated the machine to more mundane tasks, and describing the distro as 'horrible' is just silly. I actually found it much more flexible at install time than Slackware (in 2.2.x days), although with the five-disk-Slack install now there are lots of module options etc...
Home users trolling about what is largely a server distribution is again, silly (slaps your wrist)...
fdisk3hs
Where is my OpenGL Racing Destruction Set? You could make tracks, race, trade tracks with friends, drop oil slicks and land mines...
And do it all driving a late '70s Can-AM car on the moon...
I had instant replay (via my VCR and Commodore64) for those unbelievable passes...
LR
A robust response, I salute you!
Seriously, Dirk Gently quotes aside, that is one of the more intelligent and well thought-out posts I've seen on Slashdot for quite a while. Why is that?
Oh well, at least Peru gets free stuff. I hope it works out better for them than my Gates Foundation 'we'll give you a server with 5 CALS, can we put you down for 120 on this order form?' experience. BTW, I had to get a MS Passport account TO BUY THE LICENSES (I can't get over the humiliation)...
Emasculatedly yours,
Lincoln (fdisk3hs)
Anyone else notice that this entire 'review' failed to mention if this chipset is for AMD, Pentium 4, or Motorola 68040 processors?
The Tom's Hardware review briefly mentions that it is an AMD board...
It depends on your environment... I am the IT Manager for a county-wide library system with six locations. We have about 180 machines, seven T1s, etc. We are using 95, 98, NT4, 2000, and XP. We can't afford a three year rollover here, especially with the economy (~10% budget cut last month). I am looking at rotating about 15% - %20 of my machines a year (that means keeping them for five or six years). I am not even, however, going to try to run the newest commercial OS on those '95 native boxes!
The fact is, every network bigger than a few machines is going to be extremely homogeneous. I have a 2k server, four Linux servers, and if things go the way they look, I will probably convert the oldest of the machines (which are just internet browsing PCs for the public) to a Unix-like free OS just so I can put the newest browsers on them (IE6 doesn't run on '95, I believe). The only problem with that is, the patrons will want to be able to run software for Windows computers on those systems, and won't be able to (my job is to ENABLE my users to do what they want/need to do), I will have to make them work with my Win2k print server (or set up a CUPS machine), etc.
I have to admit, opinion-wise, that I hate XP, although it came installed on my new laptop and I just shrunk the partition to allow for other OSs. I am surprised, though, to find that a lot of the automatic, resource hogging 'features' that I have discovered in XP are also hiding in the same places in 2000 (which I have used since Beta3 at home). I have other things to do besides reading 'XP registry tweaks in depth' or something...
Like some of the other posters have said, most larger organizations can't replace everything and roll out a new platform every two years, it just won't happen. But as my budget shrinks and my Pentium I's age, MS trying to squeeze more licensing dollars out of me like blood from a rock is just going to push me toward solutions that will allow my 5 to 6 year rotation to work. Look at Sun, you can run Solaris 9 on pre-Ultra machines. Apple may be worse than MS for the long haul, we are experimenting with using old Motorola 68k machines with NetBSD for good old telnet dummy terminals to search our catalog.
But of course, there is a time when you are nose-high in ten year old technology and it's time to recycle, but I know libraries aren't the only organizations squeezing the IT Dollar. I would love for a MS rep to tap dance and glad hand me, so I could show him the receipts for my CALs and Pro licenses and tell him I can't afford any more, call me next year...
When will they learn that "If we make it, they will crack..."
LR
I cludged the link to the Editorial Forum [http] ...