Why should Verizon be forced to sublease below market value the lines they invested money into, digging up streets and putting up poles.
First problem, Verizon (well all the bells together before they were broken up) did not pay for all the digging to put those lines in, that cost was heavily subsidized by taxpayer money. The other problem with this argument is that the cost of putting all this copper in place was payed off a long long time ago, and it's dirt cheap to maintain.
Then further there is a very serious problem with this one part of it
sublease below market value
It's just not true. Quest for example sells basic phone service for 12.50, they then sell the raw copper loop for $15. And that loop will only be able to serve DSL and thus make it profitable and worth while for the CLEC if they are within range of the CO. Most are not, and since the FCC just took away all access to the ILEC metro fiber assets (because they deemed them unesesarry) only phone service can be offered to customer out of range of the the CO, so the CLEC's and ISP's were forced to resell the ILEC's DSL at tariffed prices (this also means they can have that customer for phone service). With DSL, Quest sells 1.5M/768k DSL for $19.95 for a year and then $39.95 after that, the "below market value" price for just the loop (no email, bandwidth, tech support, etc.) that a competetive ISP must pay is $19.95 (a big discount from $19.95 as you can tell) for a year and then $33 after that. Oh, and then they have to pay for the ATM trasit of customer bandwidth at $250 per Mbit, plus port fees. That and the FCC just took these off of the tarif rates, next year, Qwest and all the other ILECS will be able to set the prices to whatever they want, and customers will be completely screwed because they will have very little choice.
Umm, yeah, except there is no clamp on freedom of speech. People not liking what you say and choosing not to do business with you has nothing to do with free speech. Its like with spam, you have the right to say what you want, but you have no right to force me or anyone else to listen or like what you have to say.
No, mostly you have seen complaining and bitching about verisign (they run.com and.net). There has been some critisism over ICANN, mostly over there contracting.net and.com to verisign. Also ICANN has been taking its time setting up a democratic governance as it is required to do by it's charter, but it has improved in this regard. These are realy minor comlaints, when you consider the stability and political neutrality they have provided, and there is a 0% chance that the UN would even come close, it's a guarantee that it would be more expencive, more political and less stable.
Here in NZ, we didn't require the Black Eyed Peas to rename their song "Don't Phunk With my Heart"
Yeah, neither did the US.
we don't have a corronary when a breast is exposed on TV (I mean, for fuck's sake!).
Oh, you mean the companies who are under contract in there use of the public airwaves. Yeah, they should have use cable or satalite, where anyone, including playboy and other porn channels can say and do anything they want.
We have adverts using sware words and lewd humour that wouldn't be played in the US.
Other than the half dozen channels that use public airways, the only reason we don't have these comercials is because any company in the US knows it would likely lose them business. This has nothing to do with freedom of speech, it has to do with our differing culture, as customers would use there freedom not to buy whatever product was advertised.
You Americans are so blinded by your own hype you think the entire rest of the world is some 3rd world dictatorship. Grow up, actually LOOK at the rest of the world and realise it doesn't match your cardboard cutout preconceptions. The average US slashbot view of the rest of the world is laughably naive.
No more or less laughable than the views of the US that you and many others around the world have. The US definatly does not have a monopoly on ignorance.
I suspect many Americans are unaware of quite how much damage the current US administration has done to the reputation of their country.
Thats not acurate at all. The world has just become a little more vocal in there dislike of the US. Even if it was true though, most of us in the US don't realy care much about what the rest of the world thinks, we do what we believe to be right, diplomacy is good and all, but not when it lets brutal dictators continue to terrorize there country, the rest of the world can either join us or go screw themselves, we aren't the weak spineless pushovers most countries in Europe have become.
But see the thing your missunderstanding is that its not the government that puts most of the so called taxes on the phone bill. Its the phone company. About 80% of them go right into the pockets of the baby bells. Federal Access charge for example is you paying the phone company for the privilage of connecting to a long distance carrier, doesn't matter if you want to or not you pay it. The fees you pay for rural areas to get phone service are a big lie since all of the baby bells sold most of there tier 2 and 3 areas off, so once again, strait into there pockets, and on and on. Its all a big lie and no on knows it.
The baby bells are afraid of VOIP on cheap broadband connections stealing there local line cash cow, so this ruling isn't going to help you at all. Verizon and Qwest already offer naked dsl (dsl with out phone service) but is more expensive, and since the FCC rulling isn't expected to set any price points, don't get your hopes up.
Yeah, and you pay $12 in "taxes" (and by taxes I mean the fee that the phone company calls taxes but realy go strait into there bank account) so the total cost is around $25.
Don't start blaming that on the government, well except that the whole phone monopoly is the governments doing, but nearly all of those so called "fees and taxes" on your phone bill go strait into the pockets of the baby bells. The regulation is not hurting you, its the only reason phone service is half way affordable. Whats killing you is that the phone companies have a monopoly and there is nothing you can do about it.
The pentagon has been releasing documents almost identical to this one for the last half century, this is nothing new. So unless you complained about it last year, the year before, and every year till likely before you were born, you realy have no point. This is just a stupid article to bring out the anti-bush trolls, and you seem to have jumped all over it.
Umm, your missing the whole point. Bush has ALWAYS HAD THIS ABILITY. In fact every president has ALWAYS HAD THIS ABILITY. It is nothing new. There is no law he would be breaking, and the law is not changing. This is just a bunch of staffers writing papers telling the world what they are currently thinking about, and letting them know what they think they might do in situations. I don't know how you got this idea that there is some sort of law preventing a first strike, there isn't, and never has been. There has always been a promise that we would never strike first, but they were just words, if we had ever felt the need to strike first durring the Cold War, we would have, and the president would have been in his right to do so.
No, this doesn't mean anything at all. Not realy responding to you so much as to all the posters who seem to have no clue as to how the government works. So just so everyone knows:
THIS CHANGES NOTHING AND MEANS NEXT TO NOTHING!
This is just another stupid policy paper to keep the staff busy. It's nothing more than a reminder to anyone (mostly other governments) who have the time to waste reading such papers that this is the official US government policy. And it always has been bush changed nothing, not a thing. There are thousands of these papers published each year, this one got mention because some reporter thought he could stir up the reactionaries and get his name in the light a little.
If you want to get KDE with Ubuntu http://www.kubuntu.org is the place to go. If you want just a basic minimal install just "apt-get install kde-core" as root (yes it's more than just the base libs, but not that much).
And again your entirely missing the point. C is not a high level language. It's there when you want full control over every little thing your program is doing. Hand holding is a job for other languages, so when you need hand holding you can go use on of them. Or if you realy want to use C and want all the extra string features, write you own library or use one of the many freely availible.
But just think of how many Jim, Jack, Jane and Jills there are today. The droids in Star Wars are treated more like living beings than anything else, so it would make sence that they would have names that were easy to use, rather than longer serial numbers. After all, a moisture farmer on tatooine isn't going to care if there are millions of R2-D2 droids in the gallaxy, just so long as his droid knows to respond when it hears it.
When a Seattle councilmember found that his own vote had been discarded, along with many other votes from disproportionately Democratic King County, he obtained a recount. Which showed that lots of Democratic votes had been discarded.
Either you lieing, or he is lieing and your naively believing him. It isn't possible to "find out" that your vote has been discarded. Voting is anonymous, after you cast your ballot, its purely trust that they are counting correctly (unless you want to get in on the observing). The fraud was on the behalf of the Democrats, and it's so easy to see that anyone who doesn't see it is doing so intentionaly.
They don't really get to claim that their religion has done any good at all - I could equally claim it was good done by individuals doing it for political rather than religious reasons, and just cloaking it under the guise of religion.
I would agree with the or. Thats the whole point of christianity, mankind is screwed up. And in a sense I agree with the top as well. The "religion" has caused massive amounts of pain and suffering, ie people who doing what they do best, ignoring God, and then doing things in his name, have caused alot of pain and suffering. But thats still man doing it to man.
Perhaps if the records of a "superior civilization" had been destroyed while the christian writings were preserved, you might have a point, but as it stands, you just inventing pretexts for you argument. The only miracle is that writings from thousands of years ago survived at all.
The "reality of the matter" is that an Archimedes text, that took weeks or months to tediously transcribe, was destroyed rather than spend a month of light labor and some goats to make new parchment.
Well, first off, the monk still had to spend the month of labor to write it, and second, if you still want to ignorantly proclaim that parchment was cheap and any monk who wanted one could just get a hold of them no problem, go for it, I'm done arguing that point.
You can invent "probable" fires and other natural causes out of whole cloth.
Yes, fires destroyed almost all of the writings from that era. I can't believe your even suggesting otherwise, because it's realy elementry knowledge. See books were so expensive, that most libraries kept them chained up to prevent theft, and so, in the case of fire, a quite common occurance in a day when everything was flamible, and fire was the only source of light and heat, it was very difficult to get the books out to safty in time.
But I find it improbable that the only ancient texts to survive for public consumption were conserved by the outpost most distant from the religious bureaucracy running the empire.
And I believe it is improbable that aliens are living on the moon. Do you realy expect me to argue against stuff you just make up? I'm not going to do it, you need to get a little more up to date on your history before this discusion is going to make it anywhere.
Your whole post can pretty much be summed up with "get a clue".
Why would scraped and dried animal skins be rare and costly in the 12th Century farming economy where these monks lived?
You start your post off by showing that your just making stuff up, this is good because it lets any reader who knows anything about 12th century Europe, and especialy anyone with a college degree (I'm pretty sure most schools require Medieval Lit as a GE requirement), know that you dont have a clue. Unfortunately some mod seems to have fallen into the "with out clue" category. You see parchment was incredibly expencive in the Middle Ages. To put it into perspective, it took around 200 sheep to make 1 bible. And while your right that it was a farming economy, the nobles owned all the land, and all of the cattle on the land. Only the wealthy could afford even a single book. Even into the 13th and 14th centuries the largest libraries had at most 1000 books.
I don't buy the "necessity" of erasing Archimedes' works, no matter how often they repeat that story to elementary schoolers learning the definition of "palimpset", or how many of us grow up to write stories for newspapers repeating it.
Sure it wasn't "necessary" to erase Archimedes work, but it was definately much cheeper. Imaginge a new notebook cost somewhere in the area of $5k, and you had to write a book, would you a) Buy a new notebook or b) Erase some less important writings. Of course you go on to suggest that the christian monk erased it because it was evil science. But considering every single work of writing that we have that originated durring or before the dark ages was writen by someone who had church sanctioned training? In fact, beyond that, just about everything from the Roman era and earlier can be attibuted to Irish monks who were very much religious. And then there is the the book in question that had Archimedes on it, and oh yeah, it was a monk who wrote that as well. Are you starting to see how your argument doesn't make much sense? The reality of the matter is, some monastery felt a prayer book was a more important use of the parchment than the writings or Archimedes, writings that no doubt existed in other places at the time. Writings that were probably all destroyed by fires and other natural causes.
Why recreate the free will play again when you had not dealt witht he first one? Of course the reason is above.
I think this is the fundamental misunderstanding that you are basing the rest of you doctrine on. God created free will because with out free will we could never truely love him and bring him glory. The absolute basis for everything God does is for his glory. There could be no love our relationship if we did not posess the ability to reject God and hurt him.
Actually, Satan wants what is best for mankind, only he wants it apart from God himself. In this respect he does not see that there this is a differnce withut a distinction. Satan wats to achieve the goals listed in Isaiah.
Your sounding like a satanist here, only mildy seperating yourself with the middle sentence. Satan does not in any way want what is best for mankind, he would love to destroy mankind. He wanted the same things as God, to be glorified above all, something that only God is deserving of. And knowing that he is defeated he seeks to derail Gods works, primarily relaiting to humans, to keep us from our rightful (though undeserved) place in relationship with God. Also, I don't see your reference to bible.com anywhere in you post.
You should read Darwins Origins of the Species, Darwin believed African Americans to be inferior, woops. As for the fosil layer, one thing they still haven't figured out is why there are birds at lower stratas than the dinosours, since the aperantly evolved later. As for your predictible anti-christian rant, I'm going to ignore it because it doesn't have anything to do with this.
That doesn't discredit science, that shows science WORKING.
EXACTLY, but that has nothing to do with my point, I was simply showing you a incorect prediction based on a evolutionary naturalist world view, since your original statement was:
Evolution has made MANY predictions, and every single time it has passed with flying colors.
One thing I find funny and telling is that you somehow got the impresion I was attacking science or the scientific process. I'm realy curious how you managed to get that from my post.
The Eugenics movement was founded on the huminist evolutionary hypothosis that since Africa was the origin of human life, blacks, being from Africa must be a more basic form of human life, and thus the experiments were carried out to show that they had lesser inteligence, more primitive physiology, etc. This hypothosis was of course found to be very wrong, and thus is one example of a hypothosis that was wrong. If you want another one, in a more "scientific" field, then the predictions of the magnetic fields of Uranus and Neptune, as measured by Voyager II, this is also one that the "non-scientific" creationists got right, woops. If you want more examples, just keep asking, I'll keep providing.
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Why should Verizon be forced to sublease below market value the lines they invested money into, digging up streets and putting up poles.
First problem, Verizon (well all the bells together before they were broken up) did not pay for all the digging to put those lines in, that cost was heavily subsidized by taxpayer money. The other problem with this argument is that the cost of putting all this copper in place was payed off a long long time ago, and it's dirt cheap to maintain.
Then further there is a very serious problem with this one part of it
sublease below market value
It's just not true. Quest for example sells basic phone service for 12.50, they then sell the raw copper loop for $15. And that loop will only be able to serve DSL and thus make it profitable and worth while for the CLEC if they are within range of the CO. Most are not, and since the FCC just took away all access to the ILEC metro fiber assets (because they deemed them unesesarry) only phone service can be offered to customer out of range of the the CO, so the CLEC's and ISP's were forced to resell the ILEC's DSL at tariffed prices (this also means they can have that customer for phone service). With DSL, Quest sells 1.5M/768k DSL for $19.95 for a year and then $39.95 after that, the "below market value" price for just the loop (no email, bandwidth, tech support, etc.) that a competetive ISP must pay is $19.95 (a big discount from $19.95 as you can tell) for a year and then $33 after that. Oh, and then they have to pay for the ATM trasit of customer bandwidth at $250 per Mbit, plus port fees. That and the FCC just took these off of the tarif rates, next year, Qwest and all the other ILECS will be able to set the prices to whatever they want, and customers will be completely screwed because they will have very little choice.
Umm, yeah, except there is no clamp on freedom of speech. People not liking what you say and choosing not to do business with you has nothing to do with free speech. Its like with spam, you have the right to say what you want, but you have no right to force me or anyone else to listen or like what you have to say.
No, mostly you have seen complaining and bitching about verisign (they run .com and .net). There has been some critisism over ICANN, mostly over there contracting .net and .com to verisign. Also ICANN has been taking its time setting up a democratic governance as it is required to do by it's charter, but it has improved in this regard. These are realy minor comlaints, when you consider the stability and political neutrality they have provided, and there is a 0% chance that the UN would even come close, it's a guarantee that it would be more expencive, more political and less stable.
Here in NZ, we didn't require the Black Eyed Peas to rename their song "Don't Phunk With my Heart"
Yeah, neither did the US.
we don't have a corronary when a breast is exposed on TV (I mean, for fuck's sake!).
Oh, you mean the companies who are under contract in there use of the public airwaves. Yeah, they should have use cable or satalite, where anyone, including playboy and other porn channels can say and do anything they want.
We have adverts using sware words and lewd humour that wouldn't be played in the US.
Other than the half dozen channels that use public airways, the only reason we don't have these comercials is because any company in the US knows it would likely lose them business. This has nothing to do with freedom of speech, it has to do with our differing culture, as customers would use there freedom not to buy whatever product was advertised.
You Americans are so blinded by your own hype you think the entire rest of the world is some 3rd world dictatorship. Grow up, actually LOOK at the rest of the world and realise it doesn't match your cardboard cutout preconceptions. The average US slashbot view of the rest of the world is laughably naive.
No more or less laughable than the views of the US that you and many others around the world have. The US definatly does not have a monopoly on ignorance.
I suspect many Americans are unaware of quite how much damage the current US administration has done to the reputation of their country.
Thats not acurate at all. The world has just become a little more vocal in there dislike of the US. Even if it was true though, most of us in the US don't realy care much about what the rest of the world thinks, we do what we believe to be right, diplomacy is good and all, but not when it lets brutal dictators continue to terrorize there country, the rest of the world can either join us or go screw themselves, we aren't the weak spineless pushovers most countries in Europe have become.
But see the thing your missunderstanding is that its not the government that puts most of the so called taxes on the phone bill. Its the phone company. About 80% of them go right into the pockets of the baby bells. Federal Access charge for example is you paying the phone company for the privilage of connecting to a long distance carrier, doesn't matter if you want to or not you pay it. The fees you pay for rural areas to get phone service are a big lie since all of the baby bells sold most of there tier 2 and 3 areas off, so once again, strait into there pockets, and on and on. Its all a big lie and no on knows it.
The baby bells are afraid of VOIP on cheap broadband connections stealing there local line cash cow, so this ruling isn't going to help you at all. Verizon and Qwest already offer naked dsl (dsl with out phone service) but is more expensive, and since the FCC rulling isn't expected to set any price points, don't get your hopes up.
Yeah, and you pay $12 in "taxes" (and by taxes I mean the fee that the phone company calls taxes but realy go strait into there bank account) so the total cost is around $25.
Don't start blaming that on the government, well except that the whole phone monopoly is the governments doing, but nearly all of those so called "fees and taxes" on your phone bill go strait into the pockets of the baby bells. The regulation is not hurting you, its the only reason phone service is half way affordable. Whats killing you is that the phone companies have a monopoly and there is nothing you can do about it.
The pentagon has been releasing documents almost identical to this one for the last half century, this is nothing new. So unless you complained about it last year, the year before, and every year till likely before you were born, you realy have no point. This is just a stupid article to bring out the anti-bush trolls, and you seem to have jumped all over it.
Umm, your missing the whole point. Bush has ALWAYS HAD THIS ABILITY. In fact every president has ALWAYS HAD THIS ABILITY. It is nothing new. There is no law he would be breaking, and the law is not changing. This is just a bunch of staffers writing papers telling the world what they are currently thinking about, and letting them know what they think they might do in situations. I don't know how you got this idea that there is some sort of law preventing a first strike, there isn't, and never has been. There has always been a promise that we would never strike first, but they were just words, if we had ever felt the need to strike first durring the Cold War, we would have, and the president would have been in his right to do so.
THIS CHANGES NOTHING AND MEANS NEXT TO NOTHING!
This is just another stupid policy paper to keep the staff busy. It's nothing more than a reminder to anyone (mostly other governments) who have the time to waste reading such papers that this is the official US government policy. And it always has been bush changed nothing, not a thing. There are thousands of these papers published each year, this one got mention because some reporter thought he could stir up the reactionaries and get his name in the light a little.
If you want to get KDE with Ubuntu http://www.kubuntu.org is the place to go. If you want just a basic minimal install just "apt-get install kde-core" as root (yes it's more than just the base libs, but not that much).
And again your entirely missing the point. C is not a high level language. It's there when you want full control over every little thing your program is doing. Hand holding is a job for other languages, so when you need hand holding you can go use on of them. Or if you realy want to use C and want all the extra string features, write you own library or use one of the many freely availible.
But just think of how many Jim, Jack, Jane and Jills there are today. The droids in Star Wars are treated more like living beings than anything else, so it would make sence that they would have names that were easy to use, rather than longer serial numbers. After all, a moisture farmer on tatooine isn't going to care if there are millions of R2-D2 droids in the gallaxy, just so long as his droid knows to respond when it hears it.
I think its sad that this was modded insightful.
When a Seattle councilmember found that his own vote had been discarded, along with many other votes from disproportionately Democratic King County, he obtained a recount. Which showed that lots of Democratic votes had been discarded.
Either you lieing, or he is lieing and your naively believing him. It isn't possible to "find out" that your vote has been discarded. Voting is anonymous, after you cast your ballot, its purely trust that they are counting correctly (unless you want to get in on the observing). The fraud was on the behalf of the Democrats, and it's so easy to see that anyone who doesn't see it is doing so intentionaly.
They don't really get to claim that their religion has done any good at all - I could equally claim it was good done by individuals doing it for political rather than religious reasons, and just cloaking it under the guise of religion.
I would agree with the or. Thats the whole point of christianity, mankind is screwed up. And in a sense I agree with the top as well. The "religion" has caused massive amounts of pain and suffering, ie people who doing what they do best, ignoring God, and then doing things in his name, have caused alot of pain and suffering. But thats still man doing it to man.
Just you wait, tomorow I'm going to publish *36* books that say the oposite. Haha, then we will see who is right.
Perhaps if the records of a "superior civilization" had been destroyed while the christian writings were preserved, you might have a point, but as it stands, you just inventing pretexts for you argument. The only miracle is that writings from thousands of years ago survived at all.
The "reality of the matter" is that an Archimedes text, that took weeks or months to tediously transcribe, was destroyed rather than spend a month of light labor and some goats to make new parchment.
Well, first off, the monk still had to spend the month of labor to write it, and second, if you still want to ignorantly proclaim that parchment was cheap and any monk who wanted one could just get a hold of them no problem, go for it, I'm done arguing that point.
You can invent "probable" fires and other natural causes out of whole cloth.
Yes, fires destroyed almost all of the writings from that era. I can't believe your even suggesting otherwise, because it's realy elementry knowledge. See books were so expensive, that most libraries kept them chained up to prevent theft, and so, in the case of fire, a quite common occurance in a day when everything was flamible, and fire was the only source of light and heat, it was very difficult to get the books out to safty in time.
But I find it improbable that the only ancient texts to survive for public consumption were conserved by the outpost most distant from the religious bureaucracy running the empire.
And I believe it is improbable that aliens are living on the moon. Do you realy expect me to argue against stuff you just make up? I'm not going to do it, you need to get a little more up to date on your history before this discusion is going to make it anywhere.
Your whole post can pretty much be summed up with "get a clue".
Why would scraped and dried animal skins be rare and costly in the 12th Century farming economy where these monks lived?
You start your post off by showing that your just making stuff up, this is good because it lets any reader who knows anything about 12th century Europe, and especialy anyone with a college degree (I'm pretty sure most schools require Medieval Lit as a GE requirement), know that you dont have a clue. Unfortunately some mod seems to have fallen into the "with out clue" category. You see parchment was incredibly expencive in the Middle Ages. To put it into perspective, it took around 200 sheep to make 1 bible. And while your right that it was a farming economy, the nobles owned all the land, and all of the cattle on the land. Only the wealthy could afford even a single book. Even into the 13th and 14th centuries the largest libraries had at most 1000 books.
I don't buy the "necessity" of erasing Archimedes' works, no matter how often they repeat that story to elementary schoolers learning the definition of "palimpset", or how many of us grow up to write stories for newspapers repeating it.
Sure it wasn't "necessary" to erase Archimedes work, but it was definately much cheeper. Imaginge a new notebook cost somewhere in the area of $5k, and you had to write a book, would you a) Buy a new notebook or b) Erase some less important writings. Of course you go on to suggest that the christian monk erased it because it was evil science. But considering every single work of writing that we have that originated durring or before the dark ages was writen by someone who had church sanctioned training? In fact, beyond that, just about everything from the Roman era and earlier can be attibuted to Irish monks who were very much religious. And then there is the the book in question that had Archimedes on it, and oh yeah, it was a monk who wrote that as well. Are you starting to see how your argument doesn't make much sense? The reality of the matter is, some monastery felt a prayer book was a more important use of the parchment than the writings or Archimedes, writings that no doubt existed in other places at the time. Writings that were probably all destroyed by fires and other natural causes.
Why recreate the free will play again when you had not dealt witht he first one? Of course the reason is above.
I think this is the fundamental misunderstanding that you are basing the rest of you doctrine on. God created free will because with out free will we could never truely love him and bring him glory. The absolute basis for everything God does is for his glory. There could be no love our relationship if we did not posess the ability to reject God and hurt him.
Actually, Satan wants what is best for mankind, only he wants it apart from God himself. In this respect he does not see that there this is a differnce withut a distinction. Satan wats to achieve the goals listed in Isaiah.
Your sounding like a satanist here, only mildy seperating yourself with the middle sentence. Satan does not in any way want what is best for mankind, he would love to destroy mankind. He wanted the same things as God, to be glorified above all, something that only God is deserving of. And knowing that he is defeated he seeks to derail Gods works, primarily relaiting to humans, to keep us from our rightful (though undeserved) place in relationship with God.
Also, I don't see your reference to bible.com anywhere in you post.
You should read Darwins Origins of the Species, Darwin believed African Americans to be inferior, woops. As for the fosil layer, one thing they still haven't figured out is why there are birds at lower stratas than the dinosours, since the aperantly evolved later. As for your predictible anti-christian rant, I'm going to ignore it because it doesn't have anything to do with this.
That doesn't discredit science, that shows science WORKING.
EXACTLY, but that has nothing to do with my point, I was simply showing you a incorect prediction based on a evolutionary naturalist world view, since your original statement was:
Evolution has made MANY predictions, and every single time it has passed with flying colors.
One thing I find funny and telling is that you somehow got the impresion I was attacking science or the scientific process. I'm realy curious how you managed to get that from my post.
The Eugenics movement was founded on the huminist evolutionary hypothosis that since Africa was the origin of human life, blacks, being from Africa must be a more basic form of human life, and thus the experiments were carried out to show that they had lesser inteligence, more primitive physiology, etc. This hypothosis was of course found to be very wrong, and thus is one example of a hypothosis that was wrong. If you want another one, in a more "scientific" field, then the predictions of the magnetic fields of Uranus and Neptune, as measured by Voyager II, this is also one that the "non-scientific" creationists got right, woops. If you want more examples, just keep asking, I'll keep providing.