Sure, I consider my time valuble and I'm sure others here do to, but I figure by the time this thing is well and truly hacked, your GeForce 3 might have dropped to the point where hacking the Box might be a moot point. Granted that's highly speculative considering it's ranging from $291 all the way down to $87 after a quick gance at Pricewatch.
As to your legal trickery (wink), I can't speak for your time and the XBox hackers obviously think it's worth their time as they are actively involved in the act of hacking it.
So you're saying the time these guys have aready put into trying to crack the thing isn't worth the price of what a GF3 will worth when they finally do? Or even on the back end when people do this modding themselves? I guess it all depends on how much your time is worth...
Unfortunately, your counter-point overlooks one very large fact- Just because you can't think of a reason on why he should keep a specific date doesn't mean he can't or doesn't already have one. It doesn't have to be logical or make sense to you. The person in question obviously has one, be it factually sound or a figment of his imagination.
I've got karma to burn, so what's the deal here? It has the words "Linux", "PS2" and "emulation" in it and somebody modded him down?! And on top of that, it's actually a good idea. The XBox is just the machine to pull off multi-platform emulation. I'd still be worried about MS locking out boxes with invisible code in every new game release for modded Xboxes, but the idea is definitely worth noting.
You're not going to file several mysterious patents and claim social upheaval via self balancing motor scooter are you? Really, we don't need any more of those world shattering discoveries.
You have NO absolutely secure method of getting said info "to the future" without somebody keeping an eye on it or knowing about it. And any method I can think of (besides burying it in a capsule and having lawfirms release it on said date or UPS deliver it's location somewhere) requires some serious money. I wouldn't go with the net, cuz who knows what it'll look like in a few years. I wouldn't go with electronic media in general for fear of an EMP event of some sort. Too dicey for a lot of reasons (formats, decay, etc). Ultimately, cash will help guarantee your discovery will get into the right hands intact.
And lets load Linux onto a dishwasher while you're at it... But seriously, I can't see this ever becoming even close to a widespread practice, even in the realm of umber-geeks. Cost. First, MS has made it a pain in the ass just to perform the proceedure and second, just build your own box for cryin' out loud. You're smart and resourceful.. Parts can be readily had for cheaper in both time and money combined... But it's the moral Linux vs. MS victory you're after, I guess...
I mean, it's great and all. A robot to cool chips. Yay. More power to em I guess, but come on... This couldn't be done by more conventional means, not to mention cheaper? Okaaay...
A minor thought- Ok, what if you could slap somebody on ice and thaw them out later or even go a step further and prolonging death through cryo and curing the person in the future... What if you could? Great, you wake up in the rosey future, right? Uh-uh. Ed, the Nuclear Physicisist gets frozen and wake up in a future where his skills are useless. It took him the good part of 40 years to become an expert in his field only to find out that in the year 2280, the only place nuclear reactors are used is in cheap import hover cars from Alpha Proxima. Welcome to the future, where the only field Ed, the 6-digit salary guy with all his mocha-latte degrees is qualified to work in is as a glorified auto mechanic.
Not everybody would suffer this fate, of course. But anybody with any technical skills (from cars to software) better be prepared for a nasty case of chrono-shock. Then there would be those people who are curosities, who would have it made in the future. Lets freeze Elvis or somebody... He's always good for a laugh. A president who could give you first hand accounts of the history he shaped. But you and I? Better keep walking past the good ol' cryo tube and live life in the here and now.
I know caffine fiends who down a triple shot mocha latte whatever, which easily has more caffine than the average 8oz in a smaller container. The only serious downside to this is you build up a tolerance and anything less just doesn't cut it, regulating the victim to the "blatter buster" size or go for the quadra-shot. Really not a pretty sight either way...
Ya know, Daniel, after 10 seconds of watching your computer virus scanner banner and a blank page, I kinda lost interest and wandered on over to Think Geek and induldged in their cube goodies. I tell ya though, you almost got me with the fitness pop-up It was close... Think Geek or Scrub site... Think Geek or Scrub site... Choices, choices.
The Death to 2D games. Y'know-- Just because the hardware is bigger and better we gotta make 3D games out of 2D classics! What does this have to do with pinball? Those damn LED video displays that have been popping up with increasing annoyance. "Am I a video game or am I a pinball machine? Video game or pinball!? Keep your eyes on both as you play! Weeee!" Like 3D graphics, the LED displays use in a game can greatly enhance the play, but most of them cross the line and instead of the table itself being the primary attraction, the display takes center stage. It becomes the conveyance of the action with the table taking a backseat, ultimately failing in both realms. You might as well walk over to "Crisis Zone" or "Street Fighter 12" at that point. As a "raised on arcade games" guy, I actually like pinball machines here and there. The table is entertainment in it's own right, but fails miserably once it tries to cross over into "gotta split my freakin' attention in two spots at once so I can watch the stupid video and bounce the ball at the same time" style gameplay. YMMV, but it annoys the piss out of me and I could easily see THAT as being a contributer to the death of pinball.
My favorite Pinball game: Fun House (with the Chucky style character)
All of this "I can't mod the hardware I bought and own" legislation that's been on the rampage these last few months is really really getting old. Very reminicent of the way EULAs are spiralling out of control. The company should have the right to deny offenders service and/or void the warrenty on the specific product, but a law making it illegle to mod the stuff you bought? It's nine-assed. Like the poster said... Say goodbye to modding your computer. or maybe your car... I can understand pushing for a fraudulent use prosecution, like cable boxes, but that's one large step from just modifying the hardware. If it's there is beyond a reasonable doubt that this alteration's only use is in fraud, then'd see no real reason to raise a fuss over the new law. But as it stands...
"but I guess saying 'Bush Adviser Encourages Discovery of Software Bugs' just didn't have enough zing."
Getting a little nit-picky here? I suspect he used hackers to describe anybody who can gain unauthorized access to otherwise restricted systems, not someone who is encouraged to find out why a "bug" caused the DoD's wargames application to crash. Yep, there's a reason he used the word "hacker" and not "software bugs hunter". I know entry can be exploited using system bugs, but hacking is obviously more than just exploiting "bugs", or did the poster just happen to miss the story immedietly following this one? A hacker is a combination of skills, not just a "bug hunter"... Which is probably why good ol' Clark used the popular definition in the first place.
And where is the cell-phone radiation paranoia crowd when you need em...? But then, I'm not the expert on how much power these things broadcast. I'd imagine if it wasn't range you need to worry about, it's data integrity...
It's worth noting that this was how we spied on the soviets for years during the cold war-- Through wireless phone communications before they learned that some of that stuff might be better off encrypted or left to land-lines. That and rigging their Xerox machines when they were first invented for photo duplication ^__^
Ah, but the minor problem here is that this is a governmental initiative and not a people intiative. It might actually be meaningful if Yahoo had physical offices in India like CocaCola or something, but they don't. Yahoo didn't go to India and say "We'd like to sell our products to you." The people are going to the source of the service, not the other way around. And if, like file sharing, those billion plus people decide that such restrictions are simply an annoyance, they'll ignore the imaginary boarders the government will erect in cyberspace. Trinagle Boy is a good place to start. If somebody finds a site they really found useful all of a sudden cut off they'll either pitch a fit or ignore the government. How many billions of those people use Yahoo-India email? What would YOUR reaction be if you suddenly couldn't get to it? Pissed? Just a little? Tell the truth! Sorry, but this just won't fly...
Um, don't the users go to the major portholes for service and not the other way around? Last I looked, I didn't see Yahoo (or anybody else) knocking on India's door to offer them their services. So what if they want a bribe. Screw em. The users will find a way around, just like in China, if for different reasons.
"The major detractor was the user interface, since it didn't feel like a Windows application."
Wow, talk about inserting your own opinion as fact. That's not just reading between the lines, but reading between the atoms of the lines. And it becomes painfully obvious after you actually read the entire article. Ignore the fan-boys interpretation and read what is otherwise a fair and balanced review.
Perhapse I misunderstood you. It sounded to me like you were supporting the use of a DoS tool as an alternative to what you just explained about gathering evidence, which I do support. The DoSing of services IS the lazy way out, and it's funny how no other branch of law enforcement could get away with such sloppy techniques, but here it's actually being considered.
Aside from booting, I can't count the number of times I've need a quick and dirty means of file transfer like the floppy....And grumbled the same number of times I couldn't because of the newer iMacs. Don't get me wrong, though. I also can't count the number of times I've desperately needed at least one more meg of space on the damn things. Winzip was a great emergency core utility... Until it's setup hit 1.8 MBs. It really does need to be put out to pasture, but the only thing I see matching the cost and standardization of a floppy is... Dirt.
What does it take, a minor miracle to get a good story posted on Slashdot? Yes, it's grousing, but dammit, it's a decent read. That's 11 out of 11. Sheesh.
2002-07-30 20:40:46 Jon, the Al-Qaida and the FBI (articles,internet) (rejected) Jon Messner had a very good, not to mention devious idea: Hack a known Al-Qaida website, take it over and set up shop as an intelligence gathering operation. Then he involved the FBI and that's where things went wrong. A facinating look into governmental internet readiness and how easily your privacy can evaporate if you belong to the right group.
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Sure, I consider my time valuble and I'm sure others here do to, but I figure by the time this thing is well and truly hacked, your GeForce 3 might have dropped to the point where hacking the Box might be a moot point. Granted that's highly speculative considering it's ranging from $291 all the way down to $87 after a quick gance at Pricewatch.
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As to your legal trickery (wink), I can't speak for your time and the XBox hackers obviously think it's worth their time as they are actively involved in the act of hacking it.
Arguing? I'm enjoying a nice discussion
So you're saying the time these guys have aready put into trying to crack the thing isn't worth the price of what a GF3 will worth when they finally do? Or even on the back end when people do this modding themselves? I guess it all depends on how much your time is worth...
Unfortunately, your counter-point overlooks one very large fact- Just because you can't think of a reason on why he should keep a specific date doesn't mean he can't or doesn't already have one. It doesn't have to be logical or make sense to you. The person in question obviously has one, be it factually sound or a figment of his imagination.
I've got karma to burn, so what's the deal here? It has the words "Linux", "PS2" and "emulation" in it and somebody modded him down?! And on top of that, it's actually a good idea. The XBox is just the machine to pull off multi-platform emulation. I'd still be worried about MS locking out boxes with invisible code in every new game release for modded Xboxes, but the idea is definitely worth noting.
NOOOOOoooooOOOO!!! ;)
You're not going to file several mysterious patents and claim social upheaval via self balancing motor scooter are you? Really, we don't need any more of those world shattering discoveries.
You have NO absolutely secure method of getting said info "to the future" without somebody keeping an eye on it or knowing about it. And any method I can think of (besides burying it in a capsule and having lawfirms release it on said date or UPS deliver it's location somewhere) requires some serious money. I wouldn't go with the net, cuz who knows what it'll look like in a few years. I wouldn't go with electronic media in general for fear of an EMP event of some sort. Too dicey for a lot of reasons (formats, decay, etc). Ultimately, cash will help guarantee your discovery will get into the right hands intact.
And lets load Linux onto a dishwasher while you're at it... But seriously, I can't see this ever becoming even close to a widespread practice, even in the realm of umber-geeks. Cost. First, MS has made it a pain in the ass just to perform the proceedure and second, just build your own box for cryin' out loud. You're smart and resourceful.. Parts can be readily had for cheaper in both time and money combined... But it's the moral Linux vs. MS victory you're after, I guess...
I mean, it's great and all. A robot to cool chips. Yay. More power to em I guess, but come on... This couldn't be done by more conventional means, not to mention cheaper? Okaaay...
A minor thought- Ok, what if you could slap somebody on ice and thaw them out later or even go a step further and prolonging death through cryo and curing the person in the future... What if you could? Great, you wake up in the rosey future, right? Uh-uh. Ed, the Nuclear Physicisist gets frozen and wake up in a future where his skills are useless. It took him the good part of 40 years to become an expert in his field only to find out that in the year 2280, the only place nuclear reactors are used is in cheap import hover cars from Alpha Proxima. Welcome to the future, where the only field Ed, the 6-digit salary guy with all his mocha-latte degrees is qualified to work in is as a glorified auto mechanic.
Not everybody would suffer this fate, of course. But anybody with any technical skills (from cars to software) better be prepared for a nasty case of chrono-shock. Then there would be those people who are curosities, who would have it made in the future. Lets freeze Elvis or somebody... He's always good for a laugh. A president who could give you first hand accounts of the history he shaped. But you and I? Better keep walking past the good ol' cryo tube and live life in the here and now.
I know caffine fiends who down a triple shot mocha latte whatever, which easily has more caffine than the average 8oz in a smaller container. The only serious downside to this is you build up a tolerance and anything less just doesn't cut it, regulating the victim to the "blatter buster" size or go for the quadra-shot. Really not a pretty sight either way...
Ya know, Daniel, after 10 seconds of watching your computer virus scanner banner and a blank page, I kinda lost interest and wandered on over to Think Geek and induldged in their cube goodies. I tell ya though, you almost got me with the fitness pop-up It was close... Think Geek or Scrub site... Think Geek or Scrub site... Choices, choices.
And since you reminded me, is ther anyone out there can run Linux on their Pinball Table? And consoles... And toasters... And washing machines...
The Death to 2D games. Y'know-- Just because the hardware is bigger and better we gotta make 3D games out of 2D classics! What does this have to do with pinball? Those damn LED video displays that have been popping up with increasing annoyance. "Am I a video game or am I a pinball machine? Video game or pinball!? Keep your eyes on both as you play! Weeee!" Like 3D graphics, the LED displays use in a game can greatly enhance the play, but most of them cross the line and instead of the table itself being the primary attraction, the display takes center stage. It becomes the conveyance of the action with the table taking a backseat, ultimately failing in both realms. You might as well walk over to "Crisis Zone" or "Street Fighter 12" at that point. As a "raised on arcade games" guy, I actually like pinball machines here and there. The table is entertainment in it's own right, but fails miserably once it tries to cross over into "gotta split my freakin' attention in two spots at once so I can watch the stupid video and bounce the ball at the same time" style gameplay. YMMV, but it annoys the piss out of me and I could easily see THAT as being a contributer to the death of pinball.
My favorite Pinball game: Fun House (with the Chucky style character)
All of this "I can't mod the hardware I bought and own" legislation that's been on the rampage these last few months is really really getting old. Very reminicent of the way EULAs are spiralling out of control. The company should have the right to deny offenders service and/or void the warrenty on the specific product, but a law making it illegle to mod the stuff you bought? It's nine-assed. Like the poster said... Say goodbye to modding your computer. or maybe your car... I can understand pushing for a fraudulent use prosecution, like cable boxes, but that's one large step from just modifying the hardware. If it's there is beyond a reasonable doubt that this alteration's only use is in fraud, then'd see no real reason to raise a fuss over the new law. But as it stands...
"but I guess saying 'Bush Adviser Encourages Discovery of Software Bugs' just didn't have enough zing."
Getting a little nit-picky here? I suspect he used hackers to describe anybody who can gain unauthorized access to otherwise restricted systems, not someone who is encouraged to find out why a "bug" caused the DoD's wargames application to crash. Yep, there's a reason he used the word "hacker" and not "software bugs hunter". I know entry can be exploited using system bugs, but hacking is obviously more than just exploiting "bugs", or did the poster just happen to miss the story immedietly following this one? A hacker is a combination of skills, not just a "bug hunter"... Which is probably why good ol' Clark used the popular definition in the first place.
And where is the cell-phone radiation paranoia crowd when you need em...? But then, I'm not the expert on how much power these things broadcast. I'd imagine if it wasn't range you need to worry about, it's data integrity...
"...trying to control information leakage."
It's worth noting that this was how we spied on the soviets for years during the cold war-- Through wireless phone communications before they learned that some of that stuff might be better off encrypted or left to land-lines. That and rigging their Xerox machines when they were first invented for photo duplication ^__^
I've got an insect and pest repellent... It's called a sub-woofer.
Ah, but the minor problem here is that this is a governmental initiative and not a people intiative. It might actually be meaningful if Yahoo had physical offices in India like CocaCola or something, but they don't. Yahoo didn't go to India and say "We'd like to sell our products to you." The people are going to the source of the service, not the other way around. And if, like file sharing, those billion plus people decide that such restrictions are simply an annoyance, they'll ignore the imaginary boarders the government will erect in cyberspace. Trinagle Boy is a good place to start. If somebody finds a site they really found useful all of a sudden cut off they'll either pitch a fit or ignore the government. How many billions of those people use Yahoo-India email? What would YOUR reaction be if you suddenly couldn't get to it? Pissed? Just a little? Tell the truth! Sorry, but this just won't fly...
Um, don't the users go to the major portholes for service and not the other way around? Last I looked, I didn't see Yahoo (or anybody else) knocking on India's door to offer them their services. So what if they want a bribe. Screw em. The users will find a way around, just like in China, if for different reasons.
"The major detractor was the user interface, since it didn't feel like a Windows application."
Wow, talk about inserting your own opinion as fact. That's not just reading between the lines, but reading between the atoms of the lines. And it becomes painfully obvious after you actually read the entire article. Ignore the fan-boys interpretation and read what is otherwise a fair and balanced review.
Perhapse I misunderstood you. It sounded to me like you were supporting the use of a DoS tool as an alternative to what you just explained about gathering evidence, which I do support. The DoSing of services IS the lazy way out, and it's funny how no other branch of law enforcement could get away with such sloppy techniques, but here it's actually being considered.
Aside from booting, I can't count the number of times I've need a quick and dirty means of file transfer like the floppy. ...And grumbled the same number of times I couldn't because of the newer iMacs. Don't get me wrong, though. I also can't count the number of times I've desperately needed at least one more meg of space on the damn things. Winzip was a great emergency core utility... Until it's setup hit 1.8 MBs. It really does need to be put out to pasture, but the only thing I see matching the cost and standardization of a floppy is... Dirt.
I'd probably have to post something like the 50th Anniversery of the Barbie Doll to get posted here.
What does it take, a minor miracle to get a good story posted on Slashdot? Yes, it's grousing, but dammit, it's a decent read. That's 11 out of 11. Sheesh.
2002-07-30 20:40:46 Jon, the Al-Qaida and the FBI (articles,internet) (rejected)
Jon Messner had a very good, not to mention devious idea: Hack a known Al-Qaida website, take it over and set up shop as an intelligence gathering operation. Then he involved the FBI and that's where things went wrong. A facinating look into governmental internet readiness and how easily your privacy can evaporate if you belong to the right group.