This is a valid point, but at however many billions of dollars a year, when are we to see a return in our investment? A couple of days ago my brother and I were discussing this very point: Has anyone SEEN anything come from this except for infighting and pointing fingers? In the '50/60/70s we saw some forward technological movement in the space program now it seems it's content with rebuilding where its been *cough*Skylab*cough* I'm all for spending money on space exploration, but let's DO some, for crying out loud!
It must be so nice to base your argument on blowing things so far out of proportion... To argue on this scale: why do you want such regulation? It would be like Nazi germany or Stalinist USSR...do you want government sanctioned persecution of certain groups?
Realisticly:
The feeling I have is that corporate rights are on a move to overtake consumer rights. I think that the fraudulent action should be monitored on thier network not your phone...just like credit cards and fraud. You know, should someone usurp your CC #(which is so absurdly easy), and you prove it's not you, you're absoved. This is action is a step toward blaming the individual customers for fraud - because the legislative item is in your possesion. Look at it this way: every time regulation like this happens, you loose a bit of your liberty. I prefer not to loose a bit (and these things are cumulative) of my right because a company is having difficulty protecting its service.
This argument is simliar to the lock-down with licensing that microsoft does.
Your analogy is flawed. When talking about purchasing a product and modifying it - like buying your gun and then converting it to a different caliber is different than purchasing a gun and using it with careless or malicious intent. Or the difference between using your car to run people down as opposed to changing out the fuel injectors. You are confusing what you do with it to what you do to it.
Whatever happened to the idea that when you buy something it's yours to do as you please? It seems to me that one doesn't actually own anything if you can't do with it as you please (ex. game systems, dvd players...now cellphones) Seems like the american tinkering pastime of 'hotrodding' is going the way of the dodo.
Should microsoft choose to take legal action against OpenGL, it doesn't matter if they're right or wrong, with a war chest of $40b they can afford to grind everyone that's part of OpenGL untill there's nothing left, a la Standard oil (you know, the first real monopoly). Even if they're blatantly wrong, the damage done by dragging the court case out over a period of time will kill any free movement. Microsoft will pick up the wreckage at discount prices.
Yeah, I guess it would be easier if we didn't have to buy bombs, but it seems more and more often we have to buy and deploy bombs to bail your loser countries out of some sh*t you backed yourself into/or don't have the balls to fix.
Perhaps we should bill you guys and get our money back.
I'll remenice with you...Our station had turntables(which we used alot), probably just as much as the CDs. We also had a control board that had knobs! yes rotating knobs...I still look at faders with disdain!
to clarify: I did not say that I was enticed into playing these bands by the promotional material they were able to cram at us. I was giving insight into how this particular system works. Secondly, it is not up to me (at least on the program I ran) what we played, we used something very important that other stations don't watch - call-in requests. Currently call-in requests are used more as a marketing guage to acertain when and how many people are listening than as a programming guide.
The reason to get these promotional items is to get more people to listen to the radio station (which is why give-aways are done at different times, encouraging more saps to broadening their listening time) Because more listeners= more sponsors= mo' money. And for the label more listeners= greater advertising =more sales = mo' money.
I did not explicitly say I ignored the more creative, interesting bands for these other formula bands. I said that these bands's labels have no way to compete with the capital resources that the larger companies have. Interviews and various bits of swag are, on a direct comparison, 'cheaper' for smaller labels than larger labels, but the thing you forgot is that this market is all about economies of scale. The big labels can afford to spread the larger costs over greater sales profits(did you ever wonder how Virgin music could afford to purchase and airline?). Large record company releases are not paid for by the owners' credit cards! Think of the price break you get when you order several 10s of thousands of t-shirts rather than a piddly 500-shirt run. I suggest you pickup an indie-rock mag and see how the small labels live, I think you 'd be surprised.
Finally,I think you should try reading what people actually have posted rather than making things up. I checked what I had written and I see nothing about what you're talking about, but I will humor you accusations as if you're a simple child lost in the real world.
The sad thing is that the radio stations don't even ASK the public about what they like! I used to work for a small radio station and there was this interesting conversation I had to have with major labels every week, it went kinda like this: Major Label(ML): I've noticed our band is not in your (billboard)top ten. Program Manager(PM): yup, people haven't requested it (because it sucks). ML: what would it take to get the band into the top ten? PM: (now here is where I fill in my 'wish' card) I would need to do some promotions, how about a stack of CDs T-shirts and a signed item or backstage passes. *A bit of dickering, later* ML: OK well send that stuff out to you and we HOPE that this'll get us into the top ten.
This conversation would then occur again to try and get their bands closer to number one - that's when the anty gets upped. You can then ask for interviews, and probably other interesting stuff - and get it. Don't think that all of this stuff is handed directly to the listeners...most are divied up by the radio station owners and the sloppy seconds are relagated to promotions.
I quiver to think of what the offerings are to larger (real) radio stations! It's sad when thinking that labels who put out some really good product *cough* Thrilljockey,Touch and Go *cough* can't compete.
So, the moral of the story is that sometimes 'payola' is not money, but 'promotional goods'. *Now that I've divulged this sensitive information , this may be the last time you hear from me before my door gets busted down.
If you read the article, it states that the installs were done in the most automated, newbie prefered, method available. I don't know if you've installed a latter version of some of the box-packaged linux distros, but I can tell you from direct experience that the current levels are as easy or perhaps easier than Windows! I installed SuSE 7.x last year the automated (lazy) way and waited for the enevitable xconf fight...there was none! The stickiest thing was running the alsa config in KDE (which a monkey can do). In comparison, I had to actually change the jumpers to let Windows find the same card and had a twenty minute battle with MS to get the "windows compatible" NIC to work (one radio button in Linux). The true slavery of MS is trying to find your stupid Windows 98 disk!
I think that you also have to note that should someone decide to put together a Linux system in this manner, they feel pretty comfortable doing a bit of problem solving, as they would know there may be a bit of a fight involved(even though there won't). As for the modem, they always were the worst to install and configure.
At any one point in time some-one is having their "good old days". I find it droll that we have to hear this refection every time somebody feels theirs have passed them by... Honestly, are corporations really ruining the Net? Were BBS's really better? Oh, there's soooo much pr0n out there (anyone remember text art pr0n?). As sad as it may be, this is what people want, otherwise these things would have died away. The net is still capitalism at the purest we can have. It's true that the stakes have risen, but so has quality. This horrible argument can be likened to saying the world was better with the horse instead of the car. I don't know about you guys, but I don't know of one horse that can do 70 mph and comes with a heater!.
This is not a terrible loss of Internet 'heart', but evolution. Things change.
I would like to first point out that I am in no way, experience-wise, able to do this myself other-wise I'd do it...Could some-one make one installer which could install ALL these different types? I know there are some coding BADASSES out here at/. who could. This could be one of the big breaks that could help Linux gain a larger footing in the desktop market (You know, a kinder, gentler, Linux for the masses and in the process, saving the rest of us from premature hair greying). Please! I fear XP!
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Should we become concerned about moving mass from one celestial body to the other? I haven't had a physics class in a while, but wouldn't moving stuff from the moon to the Earth change the gravitational relationship of both? I know that currently there won't be enough traffic to matter but later on...
Granted, I didn't read the article, just looked at the pictures (hey, I have an art degree). But the two circular 'knobs' on the monitor remind me of the TV I used to plug my Timex Sinclar 1000 into -back when 1K was this boundless void of ram.
In order for this to be effective 'all' websites need only be a great majority. Perhaps an amount greater than half, or just enough to irritate SafeSurf users into keeping their software inactive (tired of toggling the application on and off to see your favorite sites, yet still 'protecting' your kids?)
This could be done by savy designer/developers easily, and behind the scenes: the first page on cnn.com could be 'off',but others could be on, forcing users to turn it on or off-kinda like those irritating pop-up security applets on netscape.
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...and you could live in the best Apple country: iRaq, I think that's how it's spelled.
Seriously, how does this guy win an award for a lamp?
fairly steep learning curve?
C'mon! Perl is the hot glue gun of programming!
Case in point: the amazing, type-changing, declare-anywhere variable. There are many more, but I am lazy(which is why I use Perl)
It's the combination of my luggage!
This is a valid point, but at however many billions of dollars a year, when are we to see a return in our investment? A couple of days ago my brother and I were discussing this very point: Has anyone SEEN anything come from this except for infighting and pointing fingers? In the '50/60/70s we saw some forward technological movement in the space program now it seems it's content with rebuilding where its been *cough*Skylab*cough* I'm all for spending money on space exploration, but let's DO some, for crying out loud!
Is anyone else down with the "Dieter from Sprockets" people on this page?
Now is the time on Nokia *ahem* Sprockets when we dance...
Tron! Tron! Tron! I want my mega-Tron(?)
Can you imagine seeing the lightbike race in IMAX mode? I get shivers just thinking about it!
Tron vs. RIAA - "He fights for the users"
-"END OF LINE"
It must be so nice to base your argument on blowing things so far out of proportion... To argue on this scale: why do you want such regulation? It would be like Nazi germany or Stalinist USSR...do you want government sanctioned persecution of certain groups?
Realisticly:
The feeling I have is that corporate rights are on a move to overtake consumer rights. I think that the fraudulent action should be monitored on thier network not your phone...just like credit cards and fraud. You know, should someone usurp your CC #(which is so absurdly easy), and you prove it's not you, you're absoved. This is action is a step toward blaming the individual customers for fraud - because the legislative item is in your possesion. Look at it this way: every time regulation like this happens, you loose a bit of your liberty. I prefer not to loose a bit (and these things are cumulative) of my right because a company is having difficulty protecting its service.
This argument is simliar to the lock-down with licensing that microsoft does.
Your analogy is flawed. When talking about purchasing a product and modifying it - like buying your gun and then converting it to a different caliber is different than purchasing a gun and using it with careless or malicious intent. Or the difference between using your car to run people down as opposed to changing out the fuel injectors. You are confusing what you do with it to what you do to it.
It's not Amway, it's Confederated Products...
"Xaing Chai Check...You are going to die" the black cat
Whatever happened to the idea that when you buy something it's yours to do as you please? It seems to me that one doesn't actually own anything if you can't do with it as you please (ex. game systems, dvd players...now cellphones) Seems like the american tinkering pastime of 'hotrodding' is going the way of the dodo.
You should pack this collection with bands and labels that the RIAA doesn't support and...
BLOW THE WHISTLE ON THEM!
people in glass houses and the little machievellian that could...
If it ran Linux:
-You could connect a number of economy cars together to get sports-car performance
-Would people be trying to get K-cars running on Linux as hobbies?
Could you imagine a cluster of Volvos...
The prime contractors will be Tyco and Lego...
Should microsoft choose to take legal action against OpenGL, it doesn't matter if they're right or wrong, with a war chest of $40b they can afford to grind everyone that's part of OpenGL untill there's nothing left, a la Standard oil (you know, the first real monopoly). Even if they're blatantly wrong, the damage done by dragging the court case out over a period of time will kill any free movement. Microsoft will pick up the wreckage at discount prices.
There's your happy thought for the weekend.
Yeah, I guess it would be easier if we didn't have to buy bombs, but it seems more and more often we have to buy and deploy bombs to bail your loser countries out of some sh*t you backed yourself into/or don't have the balls to fix.
Perhaps we should bill you guys and get our money back.
Perhaps Sony has stock in Sanford, makers of the fine line of Sharpie anti-copy-protection and markers.
I'll remenice with you...Our station had turntables(which we used alot), probably just as much as the CDs. We also had a control board that had knobs! yes rotating knobs...I still look at faders with disdain!
to clarify:
I did not say that I was enticed into playing these bands by the promotional material they were able to cram at us. I was giving insight into how this particular system works. Secondly, it is not up to me (at least on the program I ran) what we played, we used something very important that other stations don't watch - call-in requests. Currently call-in requests are used more as a marketing guage to acertain when and how many people are listening than as a programming guide.
The reason to get these promotional items is to get more people to listen to the radio station (which is why give-aways are done at different times, encouraging more saps to broadening their listening time) Because more listeners= more sponsors= mo' money. And for the label more listeners= greater advertising =more sales = mo' money.
I did not explicitly say I ignored the more creative, interesting bands for these other formula bands. I said that these bands's labels have no way to compete with the capital resources that the larger companies have. Interviews and various bits of swag are, on a direct comparison, 'cheaper' for smaller labels than larger labels, but the thing you forgot is that this market is all about economies of scale. The big labels can afford to spread the larger costs over greater sales profits(did you ever wonder how Virgin music could afford to purchase and airline?). Large record company releases are not paid for by the owners' credit cards! Think of the price break you get when you order several 10s of thousands of t-shirts rather than a piddly 500-shirt run. I suggest you pickup an indie-rock mag and see how the small labels live, I think you 'd be surprised.
Finally,I think you should try reading what people actually have posted rather than making things up. I checked what I had written and I see nothing about what you're talking about, but I will humor you accusations as if you're a simple child lost in the real world.
The sad thing is that the radio stations don't even ASK the public about what they like! I used to work for a small radio station and there was this interesting conversation I had to have with major labels every week, it went kinda like this:
Major Label(ML): I've noticed our band is not in your (billboard)top ten.
Program Manager(PM): yup, people haven't requested it (because it sucks).
ML: what would it take to get the band into the top ten?
PM: (now here is where I fill in my 'wish' card) I would need to do some promotions, how about a stack of CDs T-shirts and a signed item or backstage passes.
*A bit of dickering, later*
ML: OK well send that stuff out to you and we HOPE that this'll get us into the top ten.
This conversation would then occur again to try and get their bands closer to number one - that's when the anty gets upped. You can then ask for interviews, and probably other interesting stuff - and get it. Don't think that all of this stuff is handed directly to the listeners...most are divied up by the radio station owners and the sloppy seconds are relagated to promotions.
I quiver to think of what the offerings are to larger (real) radio stations! It's sad when thinking that labels who put out some really good product *cough* Thrilljockey, Touch and Go *cough* can't compete.
So, the moral of the story is that sometimes 'payola' is not money, but 'promotional goods'.
*Now that I've divulged this sensitive information , this may be the last time you hear from me before my door gets busted down.
If you read the article, it states that the installs were done in the most automated, newbie prefered, method available. I don't know if you've installed a latter version of some of the box-packaged linux distros, but I can tell you from direct experience that the current levels are as easy or perhaps easier than Windows! I installed SuSE 7.x last year the automated (lazy) way and waited for the enevitable xconf fight...there was none! The stickiest thing was running the alsa config in KDE (which a monkey can do). In comparison, I had to actually change the jumpers to let Windows find the same card and had a twenty minute battle with MS to get the "windows compatible" NIC to work (one radio button in Linux). The true slavery of MS is trying to find your stupid Windows 98 disk!
I think that you also have to note that should someone decide to put together a Linux system in this manner, they feel pretty comfortable doing a bit of problem solving, as they would know there may be a bit of a fight involved(even though there won't). As for the modem, they always were the worst to install and configure.
At any one point in time some-one is having their "good old days". I find it droll that we have to hear this refection every time somebody feels theirs have passed them by... Honestly, are corporations really ruining the Net? Were BBS's really better? Oh, there's soooo much pr0n out there (anyone remember text art pr0n?). As sad as it may be, this is what people want, otherwise these things would have died away. The net is still capitalism at the purest we can have. It's true that the stakes have risen, but so has quality. This horrible argument can be likened to saying the world was better with the horse instead of the car. I don't know about you guys, but I don't know of one horse that can do 70 mph and comes with a heater!.
This is not a terrible loss of Internet 'heart', but evolution. Things change.
I would like to first point out that I am in no way, experience-wise, able to do this myself other-wise I'd do it...Could some-one make one installer which could install ALL these different types? I know there are some coding BADASSES out here at /. who could. This could be one of the big breaks that could help Linux gain a larger footing in the desktop market (You know, a kinder, gentler, Linux for the masses and in the process, saving the rest of us from premature hair greying). Please! I fear XP!
Should we become concerned about moving mass from one celestial body to the other? I haven't had a physics class in a while, but wouldn't moving stuff from the moon to the Earth change the gravitational relationship of both? I know that currently there won't be enough traffic to matter but later on...
Granted, I didn't read the article, just looked at the pictures (hey, I have an art degree). But the two circular 'knobs' on the monitor remind me of the TV I used to plug my Timex Sinclar 1000 into -back when 1K was this boundless void of ram.
In order for this to be effective 'all' websites need only be a great majority. Perhaps an amount greater than half, or just enough to irritate SafeSurf users into keeping their software inactive (tired of toggling the application on and off to see your favorite sites, yet still 'protecting' your kids?)
This could be done by savy designer/developers easily, and behind the scenes: the first page on cnn.com could be 'off',but others could be on, forcing users to turn it on or off-kinda like those irritating pop-up security applets on netscape.