"Before a user gets it, Mr. "actively clean this shit for everyone.""
Because my clients ask me to implement a proactive spam solution. They do so with the complete understanding that yes, they may, on rare occasion, lose a legitimate e-mail here and there (though the data is archives so we can get it back if needs be).
They have at least a shallow understanding of the concept and the problem of BECAUSE I OUTLINE IT FOR THEM before they sign any contracts with me for service.
While YES, some of them might be interested in Viagra or Hoodia or some other crap. But if they are THEY DON'T USE THEIR CORPORATE MAIL FOR IT.
"and having friends not receive mine"
If your friends are on my network, they're subject to my rules, as well as the rules of the company that is paying for their access. If they want to set up their own corn-holed setup and receive every spam on the planet BE MY GUEST!
UCE is a waste of time (which translates into money), labor (which translates into money), and network resources (which translates into money).
You want to spread your message? PUT UP A WEBPAGE OR SEND OUT A SNAIL MAIL! Then YOU are paying for the crap you send. When you spam me, I (and by extension, my clients) are the ones paying for it. And I'll be damned if I'm going to let some malicious little shit cost me or my clients money.
"Assholes like you are ruining email."
{Sarcasm style"weight: megaton;"} Ruining e-mail! Oh no! We're ruining e-mail! Not ruining e-mail! Oh God help us! Ruining e-mail! {/Sarcasm}
Ruining e-mail MY ASS. What's so great about waking up in the morning with TEN THOUSAND (and no, I'm NOT exaggerating, I've actually seen it happen) e-mails in your mailbox, only to find out each and every last one is spam.
I find that your entire argument about "I can't talk to my friends" lacks a certain sincerity.
So we have a bunch of options here.
1: You simply don't have a firm grasp of the realities of the situation and are either reacting this violently based on sheer ignorance and incidental misperception or sheer ignorance and influence by the spam industry who's trying to convince you they're doing something worthwhile.
2: You're trolling.
3: You're a shill, paid or otherwise working directly for a spammer or for a company benefiting illegally from UCE.
No. This turns people into folder-maintenance monkeys instead of letting them do their..oh, I dunno, JOBS?
"You can only read whitelisted email."
Not a viable option for people who have any sort of customer interaction on behalf of their company.
"You can close your email account."
Yeah. That'll go over. Give people your contact address, then KILL IT.
REAL bright that!
"You're free to do any of that."
No. As a matter of fact, most people AREN'T.
"That's missing the point though... you also have the right to listen."
That's just it, these people aren't sending to the people who want to listen. Hence the "*UNSOLICITED* Commercial E-Mail".
"How the hell do they know an email is unsolicited?"
Duh? Because the users who got it didn't want it, never requested it, and are pissed as hell about having to wade through his crap? The people who complained to their ISPs, who then went and procured lawyers.
The pissed off SOB whose network bandwidth is consumed, the guy who sees a 400-1 spam to signal ratio, and the one who has to actively clean this shit for everyone I host, I'm HEARTILY glad that this fucker got himself leaned over the judicial bench and was probed, rectally, with the judges' gavels.
And the dissenting judge's comments about restraining speech for political and religious spam? If a Hari Krishna or a LDS evangelist, or a Politico I don't like comes to my door, I have the right to slam the door in their face and choose not to "receive the message". And if they drop their crap on my doorstep, I get fined for littering.
People buried under torrents of spam don't get this option.
And in a couple years, when Microsoft dumps THIS technology (or at least the iteration that's compatible with what the LOC will use) as well, we'll have a bunch of slowly decaying terabytes of data.
Step one to the Idiocracy. Destroy access to our data.
Tell them suspicious activity related to file sharing was detected on their network and, in accordance with the new law, they've had their access terminated. Oh, and of course, no refunds...
1984 Marathon, at with Big Brother, all night. Every night!
So not only do we have to consume MORE biofuel to go the same distances as vehicles running standard petroleum products, it's per-gallon production-to-consumption greenhouse footprint is larger too.
It's a magic bullet all right. Loaded in a gun and put right to our own head.
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"It remains unconstitutional to jail them for merely making their pitch in your presence."
Spam is not "making a pitch in your presence".
It's like standing an audio player outside your office and blaring it at peak volume, or not stopping when you ask them to.
If people like that keep on, you get them jailed for disorderly conduct and possibly harassment.
"Before a user gets it, Mr. "actively clean this shit for everyone.""
Because my clients ask me to implement a proactive spam solution. They do so with the complete understanding that yes, they may, on rare occasion, lose a legitimate e-mail here and there (though the data is archives so we can get it back if needs be).
They have at least a shallow understanding of the concept and the problem of BECAUSE I OUTLINE IT FOR THEM before they sign any contracts with me for service.
While YES, some of them might be interested in Viagra or Hoodia or some other crap. But if they are THEY DON'T USE THEIR CORPORATE MAIL FOR IT.
"and having friends not receive mine"
If your friends are on my network, they're subject to my rules, as well as the rules of the company that is paying for their access. If they want to set up their own corn-holed setup and receive every spam on the planet BE MY GUEST!
UCE is a waste of time (which translates into money), labor (which translates into money), and network resources (which translates into money).
You want to spread your message? PUT UP A WEBPAGE OR SEND OUT A SNAIL MAIL! Then YOU are paying for the crap you send. When you spam me, I (and by extension, my clients) are the ones paying for it. And I'll be damned if I'm going to let some malicious little shit cost me or my clients money.
"Assholes like you are ruining email."
{Sarcasm style"weight: megaton;"}
Ruining e-mail! Oh no! We're ruining e-mail! Not ruining e-mail! Oh God help us! Ruining e-mail!
{/Sarcasm}
Ruining e-mail MY ASS. What's so great about waking up in the morning with TEN THOUSAND (and no, I'm NOT exaggerating, I've actually seen it happen) e-mails in your mailbox, only to find out each and every last one is spam.
I find that your entire argument about "I can't talk to my friends" lacks a certain sincerity.
So we have a bunch of options here.
1: You simply don't have a firm grasp of the realities of the situation and are either reacting this violently based on sheer ignorance and incidental misperception or sheer ignorance and influence by the spam industry who's trying to convince you they're doing something worthwhile.
2: You're trolling.
3: You're a shill, paid or otherwise working directly for a spammer or for a company benefiting illegally from UCE.
"Sure, you can delete it."
No. This turns people into folder-maintenance monkeys instead of letting them do their..oh, I dunno, JOBS?
"You can only read whitelisted email."
Not a viable option for people who have any sort of customer interaction on behalf of their company.
"You can close your email account."
Yeah. That'll go over. Give people your contact address, then KILL IT.
REAL bright that!
"You're free to do any of that."
No. As a matter of fact, most people AREN'T.
"That's missing the point though... you also have the right to listen."
That's just it, these people aren't sending to the people who want to listen. Hence the "*UNSOLICITED* Commercial E-Mail".
"How the hell do they know an email is unsolicited?"
Duh? Because the users who got it didn't want it, never requested it, and are pissed as hell about having to wade through his crap? The people who complained to their ISPs, who then went and procured lawyers.
Do I need to draw it for you in crayon?
I in no way advocated sexual assault.
Terminology I used is a metaphor for the psychological pain of losing the court case, being fined like nobody's business, and going to jail for it.
So please. Stuff the self-riteous indignation.
Unlike you I USE the language, I'm not afraid of it.
If you don't like my choice of words or acronyms, the problem is ENTIRELY yours.
The pissed off SOB whose network bandwidth is consumed, the guy who sees a 400-1 spam to signal ratio, and the one who has to actively clean this shit for everyone I host, I'm HEARTILY glad that this fucker got himself leaned over the judicial bench and was probed, rectally, with the judges' gavels.
And the dissenting judge's comments about restraining speech for political and religious spam? If a Hari Krishna or a LDS evangelist, or a Politico I don't like comes to my door, I have the right to slam the door in their face and choose not to "receive the message". And if they drop their crap on my doorstep, I get fined for littering.
People buried under torrents of spam don't get this option.
Calling up and making prank calls isn't phreaking.
Even spoofing Caller ID, while a possible phreaking tool, is now common enough today that it's trivial for almost anyone to do.
This is just some stupid punk kid making an ass out of himself and cost the police time and taxpayers money.
This is equal to screaming fire in a crowded theater.
Again, making prank calls to the police and emergency services is stupid, not phreaking.
HELLO-O! WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE! These bastards are NOT your friends!
Yes. This is yelling.
You know what? I don't give a shit.
I've been yelling at these ass-munchers for years now. Why the fuck would a stupid little filter here on Slashdot stop me?
Minority?
Look at IBM for Bob's sake!
Yes, they sell software and hardware, and make money off it.
But their primary business model is based on SERVICES.
Also, if you're into uber-high-end CRM, Oracle is NOT a minority ANYTHING. They're nearly the ONLY thing.
And in a couple years, when Microsoft dumps THIS technology (or at least the iteration that's compatible with what the LOC will use) as well, we'll have a bunch of slowly decaying terabytes of data.
Step one to the Idiocracy. Destroy access to our data.
Most comic shops I've been in have a separate CC terminal anyhoo.
Even the largest chain in our area Graham Cracker, with about ten locations, still doesn't do enough business to afford fully integrated system.
Having successfully sued people and companies, the easy part is winning the court case.
Actually making them pony up the cash is the hard part.
Next thing you'll see is one of the board members of Yahoo waking up with a horse's head in his bed, the forehead caved in by a thrown chair....
Tell them suspicious activity related to file sharing was detected on their network and, in accordance with the new law, they've had their access terminated. Oh, and of course, no refunds...
1984 Marathon, at with Big Brother, all night. Every night!
Because it makes them look like they actually did something important.
Excessive use of a Crackberry may cause your thumbs to permanently lock in a non-opposable position, thus undoing several million year of evolution.
Welcome to Costco. I love you...
"This is the coolest thing Microsoft has ever done and I'm not having anyone say otherwise!"
Unfortunately, in a sick, sad way, you're right.
$1,000,000 for actually paying for the thousands of sweat-shop scientists.
$399,000,000 for the corporate espionage against western nanotech shops.
Wow, what a case of the emperor has no cl..
*EUGH!!!! MY EYES! MY EYES!*
Jesus! What is WRONG with you!
And I can sum it up in five words.
"Welcome to Wal-Mart. I love you."
(One, two three, four, five, uh..five..again)
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Let them get ass-raped by their own insecure behavior a time or two.
Amongst religious personages, there is NOBODY so zealous as a recent convert.
The same thing applies to information security and insecure end-users.
It's called Projection.
Why? I simply point out that a neighbor is partaking of the same nasty behavior he castigates me for...
When the PRNG in WINDOWS is shown to be vulnerable (because it's a actually static value), it's a horrendous problem.
But when the PRNG for a non-MS operating system is shown to have a similar (but not identical) problem, it's "irrelevant"?
"Overly simplistic"
Talk about understatement.
So not only do we have to consume MORE biofuel to go the same distances as vehicles running standard petroleum products, it's per-gallon production-to-consumption greenhouse footprint is larger too.
It's a magic bullet all right. Loaded in a gun and put right to our own head.